What do you want to see from the upcoming confirmed large TF2 update anons?
https://twitter.com/4G_b4nny/status/729824004215689217
(inb4 "b4nny's a fag", i agree but he's the only one Valve allowed inside their chocolate factory)
>>341879286
Apparently Valve delayed the update to avoid competing with the release of Blizzard's new game, but now that's out of the limelight after E3, they've got a clear road to release.
New weapons and maybe some new maps or even a new mod
Maybe bring some of the playerbase back I guess
>>341879286
I want them to fix the art style.
>>341879485
Yeah, I'd like to see new weapons too. In particular for Medic and Spy. The last time they got a new weapon was in 2012 (the Red Tape Recorder and the Vaccinator). And Engineer, Pyro or Heavy could do with something new too (Panic Attack was kinda shit).
>>341879286
add reinhardt
>>341879286
b4nny's a fag
>>341879286
>inb4 complete rework of spy/pyro
>>341879918
I'd be completely fine by that seeing how any competent player can shit on a Pyro any day of the week.
I bet they nerf pyro through the floor again
>>341879918
don't think they need a full rework, just minor buffs here and there to become useful classes. both are useful in pubs and passable in HL, it's 6v6 where they fall down because Sniper does Spy's job better and Pyro's only useful function is stalling ubers, buff them enough to circumvent those problems and you've fixed the issue
pyro's flamethrower mechanics themselves are pretty janky though, the way the cone works should either be made into hitscan or a jiggleboned object, rather than projectiles.
>>341879286
>competitive matchmaking
yeah about that
>Soldier mains will defend this
i want it and DA nerfed, OP, that's what I want
>>341881023
>nerfing Soldier
>not Spy
>>341879918
nerf them into the ground. shit classes for shit players, should be deleted if necessary, shit shit shit players
>>341879676
this
delete potassium bonnet aka banana hat
>>341879286
So we know this update has to be big since they deliberately avoided overwatch till hype went down
But..a few things can go wrong
-they don't add new weapons, maps, or game modes
This is the biggest thing if they don't get it will chop off the fucking playerbase, cause some of us like myself have been waiting forever
-balancing of weapons
Depends on whether they do it like the gunmettle update and actually change some weapons for the better, or completely balance things "so everything is equal"...i honestly thing the current competitive white list is on point right now, they know what is equal is a sense
-competitive
Pretty self explanatory...i myself who have 1000 hours dont want to play with people who have 50....enough said
>>341881185
>nerfing spy or pyro
getting your ass blasted by the noobest classes I see.
Maybe it's a you problem, mate.
>>341881814
im saying they should be deleted because theyre shit, not because they ever kill me ever. Don't be a retard, idiot.
>>341881649
This, if they don't have new weapons I will be extremely disappointed. I can live without new game modes, though.
Does anyone even play TF2 anymore?
>>341879286
let it die
>>341882531
Third most played game on steam, tens of thousands of people playing. I'm in a fully populated TF2 server right now at 4AM in Australia, and there are about three half-populated ones as well.
>>341882953
>tf2 - tens of thousands
>overwatch - tens of millions
kill yourself
A complete deannoyancefying of what is now an excrutiated game to play. All critz given by weapons removed and all mechanics that take away or otherwise inhibit the player's control.
Heard it had something to do with subclasses or someshit with three new maps.
>>341883764
>subclasses
Oh God please no. They need to focus on fixing the shit already in the game before they even think of adding anything new, let alone fucking subclasses.
>>341883764
>subclasses
I'm interested but it sounds like something they could easily fuck up.
Sniper: Shooter/Archer
Medic: Healer/Buffer
Demoman/Demoknight
I can't think of any others.
>>341883551
>overwatch
kill yourself
>>341883551
tf2 isn't a console shooter.
port it to source 2, please
>>341884018
?
>>341881023
The speed boost is only helpful if the enemies are bad shots,
The fact that it marks them even after putting it away means if you can pursue them, you are more than likely able to kill them in one shot
I do enjoy using it in tandem with the speed boost from concheror for maximum fast
>>341879432
I love how the sword van is actually in the game now.
>>341883551
Tens of thousands at the same time, not in total.
>>341884070
too difficult to translate the physics over, might as well just make TF3 from scratch at that rate. Valve have officially said to Teamfortress.tv representatives before they have no plans to port TF2 to Source 2
>>341883551
>concurrent players
you retard
>>341879286
>What do you want to see from the upcoming confirmed large TF2 update anons?
more modes that use the grappling hook
All I care about now is the comic and I hope this means we'll get another issue soon.
>>341879286
a deathmatch mode without classes could be fun
>>341879286
The only way TF2 can compete now is by adding female skins.
BI
MONTHLY
COMIC
>>341884210
being released on console =/= being designed for console. hl2 was also released in the orange box on consoles but it's a pc shooter.
no tf2 updates have been released on 360 or ps3. the game is much more fast paced than it was at launch. being a console shooter isn't just a matter of being released on console. it's the feel and the systems of the game. overwatch was made for controllers and consoles.
>>341879286
If they don't include highlander in comp I'm quitting and I'll make sure that nigger b4nny regrets it
>>341884018
lol
well they can't go F2P so how about they start paying us money to play.
maybe then people would care again.
>>341884260
>the sword van is actually in the game now.
It is? I know it was used in the Expiration Date short.
>>341884483
>TF2 x-change
Oh boy I can't wait for another patch of shitting on everyone but solider, and all the new items be gimmicky garbage since apparently you can't make a true side-arm anymore.
>>341884483
i would be 100% fine with tf3 being an all female cast.
>>341879286
What it should be
>pyro un-nerfed
>new maps
>removal of all cosmetics
>all players with cosmetics receive their backpack's worth in CS:GO keys, crashing that game's economy
What it will be
>zero balance adjustment
>maybe one or two shitty comp maps
>ladder matchmaking mode with random spread and crits off for tryhard losers
Man launch overwatch made launch tf2 look really lazy.
Just simply things llike ammo left being reflected on the gun model showed blizzards attention to minor details while TF2 has static glitchy models and instances where your character can have 3 hands.
>>341879286
I expect it to be gun mettle 3. Last year they released gun mettle along with the steam sale.
Steam sale is coming next week so...
valve is too afraid to buff weapons to be as good as stock.
>>341884241
>The speed boost is only helpful if the enemies are bad shots
You can use it to get around the map more quickly at any time, without having to worry about the enemy because you won't be facing the enemy on the way to the frontline. Most Soldiers rocket jump to get to the front lines of battle, Escape Plan allows you to run part of the way and get there without having to make further jumps, saving you health in the process.
Also, if your health is REALLY low (say, 2HP) then taking mini-crits won't make a difference, because nothing does less than 3 damage. You'll die anyway.
This is why Escape Plan is overpowered and needs to be nerfed. Its downside is meaningless compared to how good its upside is, so 40% of Soldiers use it in pubs, and 70% of all Soldiers in comp.
>>341884914
tf2 wasn't a $40 standalone release.
>>341884492
>excuses
>excuses
>more excuses...
Must be troubling having to bullshit yourself all the time.
>>341884864
would random spread off effect beggar's bazooka?
>>341879286
[Spoiler]OPTIMIZATION[/Spoiler]
>>341885228
I don't know, but there is definitely a setting already in the game that turns off spread for shotguns.
>>341879286
all I want is an excuse to drop overwatch and move back to tf2 desuI miss old valve
>>341881646
They can't outright delete an item without causing a shiftiest. But what they can do is make more items Halloween restricted. A bit more extreme, they could make some all class items unequippable by all but one class.
>>341884613
It's one of the traps in Snowplow.
>>341884864
>>removal of all cosmetics
ignore them and stop being autistic
>>341884914
What it makes up for in polish, it lacks in game design and player freedom.
>>341884864
>random spread and crits off for tryhard losers
yea what we really need is super crits. A completely seperate chance to deal 9x base damage. GEWP represent bro xd
>>341884914
graphics are the only thing overwatch has going for it
and that's to be expected, given OW's budget
>>341885103
good soldiers use pain train and make up the lack of speed with skillful rocket jumping
escape plan is a crutch
>>341883551
>A newer game is more popular than an older game.
Wow! You're really onto something!
>>341885356
here's your excuse
https://my.mixtape.moe/kmtnre.webm
https://my.mixtape.moe/zhxqmn.webm
https://my.mixtape.moe/kdbqwi.webm
>>341885356
i played overwatch solidly for a week and then quickly dropped it and went back to tf2. even with all those classes tf2 offers much more varied gameplay and does a greater job of facilitating individual player skill rather than letting everyone win (play on no crit servers if crits are such an issue)
also tf2 has many more maps and gamemodes, and community servers running community maps is something that overwatch will never have. tf2 accommodates both tryhard servers and pub servers so depending on what mood you're in there's always something for you.
i cannot see myself going back to overwatch any time soon. meanwhile my 12 year old sister loves it, probably because blizzard wanted that audience.
>>341884483
it's true, I just bought overwatch and still play league purely because of waifus
>>341885420
Huh, I remember the white van now. I'd never actually stopped and looked at it.
>>341880531
>Playing in a pub
>Girl gamer joins
>someone says "Every girl TF2 player has a circling hearts unusual for Medic and plays Pyro as secondary."
>"That's not always true... It just happens to be true for me though."
>>341885795
Thats fucking horrible holy shit
>>341884291
>too difficult to translate the physics over
This scares me. TF2 still shares a LOT of movement with Quake, same with pretty much all other Source games (unless they specifically remove things like bunnyhopping etc like they did with TF2).
Does that mean Source 2 won't have the same air control and movement 'feel' that I've been used to for twenty years?
>>341885641
escape plan doesn't make good players underperform, so it's not a "crutch"
it's just flat out OP, which is why all Soldiers use it up to Invite level as the majority.
>and make up the lack of speed with skillful rocket jumping
Against an equally skilled Soldier, the one wielding Escape Plan will have an undeniable advantage in options over the guy wielding stock. He can get around certain sections where it's not feasible to rocket jump faster, and he can escape to a pack or medic faster on low health, and he can melee better.
Escape Plan is a buff which Soldier, one of the strongest classes in TF2, doesn't need, and it should be nerfed so that his power is kept in check class-balance wise and the other melees like Half-Zat get a chance at use.
>>341881646
http://www.teamfortress.tv/16179/no-hats-mod
There, the art style is fixed
NEW COMIC WHEN REEEEE
>>341885215
>Points.
>Points.
>More points.
>DOESN'T COUNT! MOM MORE KOOLAID
Take your medicine.
>>341886360Portal 2 was on source and it didn't have air control and Dota 2 doesn't need it.
>>341884210
The XBOX/PS3 version hasn't been update since it release
>>341882098
Pshhh, nothing personel kiddo
>>341885182
It was in 2008 after being split from the Orange Box.
>>341879286
optimization
optimization
optimization
>>341886717
>Portal 2 was on source and it didn't have air control
Shit, seriously? I know Portal 1 did but barely remember anything about Portal 2 other than it had zero physics objects to fling around and be creative with like Portal 1 did (remember everyone that stacked chairs to get into the vent?).
>>341884914
This is an extremely superficial observation. The game plays well and it's fun ? Then it's a good game, i give a crap about the graphics of a 2007 game
>>341886360
>Does that mean Source 2 won't have the same air control and movement 'feel' that I've been used to for twenty years?
Not him but there's also performance issues that stand in the way. Copypasting from
>The best you can hope for is TF2 gets brought up to speed with the versions of Source that CS:GO and Portal 2 (and before S2 hybridization, Dota 2) use. Even that would go a long way. Take a look for yourself, CS:GO on a whole bunch of NVIDIA GPUs versus TF2 on that same bunch of NVIDIA GPUs at 2560x1600 under Linux.
>CS:GO only seems to be starting to hit walls with high-end Maxwell (900 series), whereas TF2 hits walls with midrange Kepler (600/700 series). These tests predate Pascal (AKA the 1070 and the 1080) so we don't have too much in terms of whether or not CS:GO is hitting walls other than the high-end Maxwell cards, but even if it is hitting one (which even a single 1080 test would confirm/deny), that wall is a lot higher than TF2.
>>341886525
sv_pure 1 is in effect on all valve servers and some community servers, preventing visual mods like nohats from working. It's an anti-cheating mechanic which stops people making walls see-through and stuff.
>>341886949
TF2 was always 20$
>>341879286
Just finish the fucking comic arc that's all I want
What's your guys' favorite class gameplay-wise, and personality-wise? If you could pick one class to be your neighbor who would it be?
You may not leave this thread until you answer my questions three.
WHAT is your favourite map?
WHAT is your favourite weapon?
WHAT is your most-played class?
>>341886712
All your points are vague and arbitrary and have no usefulness in an actual discussion. They are literally just autistic ramblings.
>>341886774
Then it should be better than the PC version no?
>>341887314
>If you could pick one class to be your neighbor who would it be?
this is easy, Engineer. all other answers are totally wrong
>sitting on the porch with Engie discussing assorted topics and sipping beer
>>341887410
2fort :^)
shortstop
Scout
>>341887410
Gravelpit
Scattergun
Scout
>>341887410
>favourite mapCactus Canyon
>favorite weapon
Direct Hit
>most played class
Demoman
>>341887410
Upward
Minigun
Heavy
>They move to source 2 and purge everything
>>341887410
cp_steel, the best map in the gameShort Circuit. It allows me to break stalemates on cramped maps by clearing a path through the explosive spam for my allies
Scout
>>341887314
Gameplay = Scout
Personality = Sniper
Still main Soldier and Demo because hitscan is whack.
>>341885795
This shit is in tf2 also
It's just matters less because it affects negligible things like medic needle and pyro
>>341887410
upward
forceanature for jumpboosts from 45 degree angled shots and pushing people off the cliffs
not sure becausei played on parkour fortress mods which forces you to use scoutso the counters are off, but i think it's a tie between soldier and demoman
>>341887410
Pipeline
Ambassador
Spy
>tf2 is 9 years old
Buff Cow Mangler
>>341887021
why? a 2009 mid range card can run the game at 100+ fps, why should Valve cater to people like you with 50$ PCs
>>341888135
I forgot what this thing even does lmao
>>341885795
>>341886282
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wGcNzFd3as
>tfw TF2 fags are LITERALLY hypocrites
>>341887410
>Thundermountain
>Loch n Load
>Spy
I don't think anything would bring me back. It's just gotten old and anything new they add will just be spammed until its boring. it would have to be a >%80 overhaul and at that point might as well just make a new game.
>>341888323
DELETE THIS
tf2 is prefect ty gaben ;_;
>>341888323
TF2 doesn't have infinite ammo and just 2 classes can headshot, i don't see the big hitboxes as a problem in TF2
Delete 90% of the weapons and replace them with ones that arent just dumb gimmick versions of the stocks
For instance, give heavy the fucking bofors cannon, 7 years later and i'm still butthurt
>>341887410
Turbine
Shotgun
Pyro or Engineer.
>>341879286
>large TF2 update
Yeah, last three times that I updates with you fags they all turned to be fucking crap
Honestly, I just want fucking competitive/ranked matchmaking. That's all it takes for me to redownload the game.
>>341887891
your image makes that seem like a bad thing
>>341887410
pl_badwater/cp_badlands because I'm boring
Rocket Launcher
Soldier
>>341888496
And none of the pros think it is a problem in OW. Quit making excuses for yourself.
In competitive will the scatter gun have random spread?
>>341888135
Is that a strange painted cow mangler?
>>341888228
used to have 5 shots per clip, now all it does is enable spam and have a supah speshul minicrit shot while having much lower reload speed and being unable to get kritz
>>341888628
Gun mettle was a great update, Tough Break was just a continuation of the previously mentioned update
And guess what ! That's exactly what valve is going to add, COMPETITIVE !
>>341887909
collision hull for projectiles, fire particles, bumping into terrain, and melee attacks.
bulletbox for all hitscan attacks (and maybe splash? not sure).
every class shares the same sized collision hull as Heavy, so that there wouldn't be some small spaces which classes could squish into/bodyblock and others cannot.
TF2's bullet detection is very good, but the janky shit that happens with melee/fire/Huntsman arrows is a combination of individual player lag, the way fire particles work, projectiles NOT being lag compensated. Hitboxes is only a minor part of all the problems, really.
If Valve would just ban 300 ping huehue BRs from joining servers if they topped 300 ping, then a lot of these problems would disappear. I don't see why they have non-region-locked servers seeing as they have servers everywhere anyway.
>>341888135
Buff Cow Mangler
>>341887410
ctf_turbine
Cow Mangler 9000
Soldier
>>341888228
disables sentry guns for X seconds and sets the engineer on fire. Also has unlimited ammo. sometimes if pub players spam sentries I like to bring it out to disable them and Shotgun them to death.
pretty useless in comp of course due to a reload speed penalty, but they ban it anyway.
>>341888228
Downsides:
-Does only 20% damage to buildings -Cannot be crit boosted under any circumstance
-has an unlisted -5% reload speed.
Upsides:
+Does not require ammo
+alt fire that charges up for 3 seconds then fires a minicrit projectile that deals high damage, sets every enemy in it's AoE on fire, and disables buildings for 4 seconds. After the charge shot is released it must be fully reloaded.
+Looks and sounds way cooler than any other soldier weapon
CM is my favorite weapon but it's fucking awful as is
>>341887410
Surf_toast
Detonator
I don't know, I screw around with sniper and soldier a lot
>>341888693
>cp_badlands because I'm boring
be proud of yourself bro, badlands is a beautiful map and you have impeccable taste. Just think, your answer could have been "2fort"
>>341883551
>overwatch came out like a month ago
>tf2 came out several years ago
>Being able to compare the two
>>341888715
How is what i said an excuse ? This literally kills the fun for lots of players, i dont like to get headshot by a spamming Tracer
>>341888743
Don't believe so, pretty sure it's off by default from the last time I read the settings.
Pistol, Revolver, Beggar's Bazooka and another thing I forgot remain random, though. And fall damage taken still has a hidden 20% random variance.
Anyway, everyone, ogle these custom maps
the thing I've always wanted, but never plan to see, is an increase in self damage from explosives
I'd be fine with soldier getting a flat speed increase if they just removed the negligible self damage
yes it allows mobility, but it also makes point-blank range too powerful for soldier
removing sniper would be nice, again not going to happen
I'd like the mannpower mode to get some better balance, soldier and demo are again slightly too powerful, assuming they get the right runes, its boring for them to go for an entire game without dying due to runes
Id like for 'vulnerability' to be removed as an item characteristic
and yes I'd like my second favorite character, pyro, to gain better melee-range damage, at least surpassing other melee weapons
>>341888876
>That KS
My nigga
>>341888715
Who cares what the pros think? getting headshot by hanzo is the most annoying shit to ever grace that game
>>341887410
product
grenade launcher
sniper/demo
>>341888323
this is acceptable in TF2 because it's not a problem, as projectile weapons like syringe gun and huntsman are both terrible and you're gimping yourself if you use them
In OW the hitscan hitboxes are the same as projectile hitboxes, and every class can headshot.
>>341889279
>tracer
>uses hitscan weapons
>not projectiles
>complains about projectile hitboxes
You are literally just making shit up on the spot. Wow, I didn't realize TF2fags were this delusional.
>>341887410
cp_dustbowl
Either Cow Mangler or Pic related
Scout
I have a question.
You know when you walk into a doorway and spot a Sniper aiming at you? You immediately back the way you came, right?
Well, does anyone else jump backwards while whipping their head down and behind them? And does this really accomplish dodging a headshot, or have snipers just plain missed where my head was beforehand...?
Current wishlist:
dx8 allowed in ranked
General optimizations
Machina nerf (was it already nerfed?)
Pyro buffs (to the primaries and flareguns)
Other things that I can't think of right now
Man isn't it cool how b4nny managed to get the pyro, unequivocally the worst class in the game, nerfed by complaining on stream!? Valve must really be listening to the community!
>>341889374
>using the small version
>>341889383
anon i too want pyro to be buffed but pretty much everything else you said is retarded and would make the game slower, more stalematey, and less skillful
>>341886360
If it won't, then TF2 wont get ported over to it.
Don't worry, Valve isn't THAT retarded. They know very well how appealing TF2's movement is. They're best friends with B4nny, after all.
>>341889612
The hitscan hitboxes are exactly the same
Who cares at this point. The game is filled with furries, bronies and literal children that saw some of these ´´´´funny´´´´ videos on youtube with tf2 characters (can´t remember what they are called)
>>341888770
I wish, those things are fucking sweet. Pretty sure they go for like 800 dollars or something
this is a tf2 thread, not an overshill thread
its already dying fast, and it definitely doesn't have a million players here in the states
just let nublizzard choke on its own garbage
>>341889595
>OW the hitscan hitboxes are the same as projectile hitboxes
Source?
Wasn´t there news about valve experimenting with a ranked mode about half a year ago?
It it´s that i might actually reinstall.
>>341889769
>Overwatch will never have this
fucking blizzard ruining a game with such potential
cp_steel is one of the best fucking things ever to happen to this game, i know that sounds like hyperbole but we really need more maps like it. The strategies you can do on that map and the amount of choice it affords players is great.
>>341889842
>talking shit about pootis memes
motherfucker
>>341889803
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UU8jqxAiHQ
>>341887442
>WHAT, ME WORRY ABOUT CRITICAL BUG FIXES?
You only think you're pretending to be retarded
>>341879286
>>341879863
>>341884549
>>341889742
>>341889780
Who the fuck is b4nny
>>341890001
Hallways are so thin though. I'd love a cp_steel that had more space
>>341889842
Those retarded TF2 videos were the shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylaa1MDTyr0
>>341890114
I think it's pro player drama
>>341890114
le salty froyotech leader who got cucked by his own former teammate
>>341889991
Ofcourse they will never have this because they don't want this.
>>341888373
>Loch n Load
RIP
>>341889680
I fire off a shot and either retreat to cover or move out further into the doorway, pause for a second, then retreat. Gotta move unpredictably. Works every time.
>>341889742
I don't know about the pyro buff, I use degreaser and flare gun and I can easily pub stomp.
>>341890137
good taste
>>341889991
It's a shame too because Blizzard's map editors used to be fucking amazing and encourage billions of pieces of community content, even accidentally inventing a genre.
WC3 map editor and Starcraft: Brood War map editor took up huge chunks of my youth fucking around making and playing FREE fun stuff, it was a goldmine.
Yet Overwatch ships with, what, 8 chokey, sightline-filled maps, and no map editor.
Nu-Blizz is a shame to their legacy.
>>341887410
Badwater
Pre-nerf LnL
Scout because of idling. Spy is my most actually played class
>>341889612
there's no difference in OW m8
>>341889769
you just said that increasing self damage would be 'less skillful'
maybe you can't understand what you're saying at the moment, but I want you to just think about it today
"soldier mindlessly shoots at point blank range, properly takes 120 damage instead of ~50, other player wins the exchange
that is what it always should have been, rocket jumps are NOT something that should be done 3 times in a row followed by a kill for the soldier"
that does not in any way detract from single rocket jumps, juggles, or proper floor shots
>>341890224
Loch n Load is still a great grenade launcher ( only due to the 20% projectile speed, and the 20% damage bonus to buildings comes handy if there are 3 fucking sentries in a corner)
>>341890330
>>341889803
>>341889595
Literally lying through your teeth.
>>341889392
Got a collector's bison to match.
>>341884483
THIS
WHERE'S MY FEMSCOUT VALVE
>>341890428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UU8jqxAiHQ
>>341890116
Yeah, true.
So far we have cp_alloy and cp_sulfur. both are reasonably competent maps designwise, but alloy looks the same all the way through, and sulfur looks like an Ikea (because the mapmaker has specifically stated they don't care about making it look like it's from the 60s). But hopefully more will come.
>>341889742
Degreaser+Flare+Axtinguisher was too strong and I love that it was nerfed into uselessness. Eat shit. You could crit kill other pyros with that shit prenerf.
Rainblower+SS/Shotty+Piwerjack/Homowrecker/Third Degree is the best, most fun pyro loadout
>More Soldier weapons and buffs than anything else
>Pyro gets nothing but nerfs to remove absolutely ALL fun from any of its weapons
>Every other class gets an (additional) way of extinguishing afterburn
>>341887410
cp_gorge
Backburner
Pyro
>>341890114
Big competitive name, one of the few people Valve has consulted on making competitive matchmaking, is a very good Demo/Soldier player but has a terrible personality.
>he used to be a Call of Duty competitive player before coming to TF2
>he's broken up two teams in the past that couldn't deal with his drama queen shit
>in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5pZgph_ZaU you can see him proposing nerfs to pyro (a class he has only 17 hours in) and calling airblast "stupidly forgiving", yet repeatedly failing to airblast a rocket properly
>in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSkK2flXH68 we see him throwing a tantrum because the rest of his team decided to join in with the enemy team mucking around after his team stomped theirs
>his girlfriend left him for his team's scout main, Clockwork, making him a literal cuck
>>341887593
My very own clone!
>>341890489
Nice m8, fellow alium bro. Never found a collector's set, I'd love one for the CM, but those are heck of expensive
>>341890542
Does this not prove my point?
I want to see the a return to form.
I won't be that lucky.
>>341886267
This
>>341879286
>What do you want to see from the upcoming confirmed large TF2 update anons?I just want them to un-nerf the Black Box. What did it ever do to deserve the nerf in the first place? You were sacrificing a quarter of your DPS for meager heals, and now you're usually getting shit out of it unless you're far closer than you usually should be if you want anything resembling alright healing.
>>341889842
epic
>>341890001
THIS THIS THIS
BEHEAD THOSE THAT INSULT CP_STEEL
SO many engie shenanigans availiable on this map
>>341890779
>good demo/soldier player
>implying those classes take skill
>>341890382
if it cost Soldiers significantly more HP to rocket jump, they would just walk around normally more often instead of explosive jumping to conserve HP, hence, less skillful
on top of this, making rocket jumping cost more HP would give a bigger advantage to pockets over attackers. If health cost of a rocket jump was increased to 50, for example, that's a 10HP edge for the guy protecting his Medic with a shotgun on the ground. So this would make both sides more reluctant to attack at midfights
>>341887410
Barnblitz
Crusader's Crossbow
Medic
>>341890827
It proves that hitscan hitboxes = projectile hitboxes
>>341890827
I guess ? Projectiles hitboxes are slightly larger, but hitscan weapons have huge hitboxes too, as you can see in minute 1:06
>>341887410
mountain lab
back scatter
soldier
>>341890626
why does valve hate pyro?
:(
>>341890801
Trust me, the feeling of making your own collector's weapon is so nice.
Too bad that a lot of tradefags are charging premiums for them these days, it's one of the most annoying things of the market I find.
Hell, if I see someone's in the top 500 of Backpack.tf, I refuse to trade them. Ranking on that site is literally how much of a jew you are.
>>341890779
post the video where he rages on his team after getting killed by a scout who "shouldn't push with hp so low"
>>341882519
You are fucking cancer.
New maps and new game modes are what I always hoped for when TF2 came out.
Not new weapons or "muh meta" having to balance so many useless weapons.
Kill yourself cancer that plagued TF2 and brought it to its knees post-f2p .
Make the Halloween-only cosmetic items that actually fit the art style better than some of the "regular" items available year-long FFS.
>>341891038
Just make alt-fire rockets shit for anything but rocketjumping and up self damage taken on regular fire bam solved
>>341882519
>i want new weapons
>i want the game to get even more bloated and unbalanced
be aware that you're the cancer of the game
>>341890874
>What did it ever do to deserve the nerf in the first place?
its equip rate was 20% higher than stock's at the height of its popularity.
it's well balanced now, people still use it frequently in pubs, and on occasion in competitive (roamers combine concheror and black box for very high regen)
http://tf2stats.net/weapons/?sort=equipped
as you can see it's still the second most equipped Soldier primary in pubs
>>341891091
Except he explicitly states that this is not the case? Are you trying to be retarded?
>>341891106
It's not an issue, literally no one but autistic overwatch-haters complain about this.
>>341890874
>giving up a quarter of your DPS
nope
you would have a point if you lost 20% damage like with LL, but losing one rocket in a clip isn't a 25% dps loss. and the heal is still insane.
is it just me or does demo attract the least toxic bunch of players?
>>341891394
demo's toxicity comes form the character himself. The player doesn't need to say a word
>>341891308
It isn't a little, i dont know, anti-fun when a Tracer kills you in 3 seconds without aiming to your head ? I don't even hate Overwatch, i like the game
>>341891308
>Except he explicitly states that this is not the case? Are you trying to be retarded?
I don't know, I only watched 1 minute to see that tracer (hitscan) and hanzo (projectile) could aim at the same place and still get a headshot and that was enough for me
I don't care about your shitty game senpai or this conversation
>>341891106
he did it on the fucking training bots, who are literal squares
those are NOWHERE near actual player hitboxes
dump tf2 webems
or did everyone quit tf2 before webems became a thing?
>>341887410
Gorge
Rocket Launcher
Soldier
Imagine if the back scatter could get back crits from long range.
>>341891491
Get good? Tracer really isn't an issue at all even mecree shits on her after the nerfs.
>>341891501
>wrong about everything the entire argument
>I dont care about your shitty game!!! I was pretending to be retarded!!
>>341891178
Trading is fucking dead, which sucks. I remember sharking so many fucking salvaged crates back before you had to give out your fucking blood type to trade miscs with someone.
Anyone else remember that faggot with the Kermit the Frog avatar that got all butthurt about jewing and started this whole movement to get sharks permabanned?
>>341887410
Harvest
Classic
soldier
>>341891026
I used to be like you but I've since learned
yes, Demo and Soldier take little skill to be effective with (low skill floor), but they take a lot of skill to become extremely effective (high skill ceiling) and that is what f4ggy is, and what I'm talking about.
I'll show you a video of kaidus to help you get the gist of it. This is one of the best Demo players of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7jelqvvzxE
Any old retard can pick up the Grenade Launcher, hold down M1 and get some kills from splash damage, but it takes a really good player to get a midair pipe airshot while sticky-jumping and use said pipe to juggle an enemy player into a stickytrap.
demoman also has one of the trickiest jobs in 6v6 because your main counter, Scout, is fucking everywhere running around like a hyperactive twat.
Again, I agree Demo/Soldier take little skill to play, but they have a lot of room for a player to show skill,
>>341891150
They balance for pubbers who have no idea how to play the game. In the wrong hands, the Flamethrower is the best weapon. You don't have to aim or reload or rev up or anything. Sure, W+M1 won't do shit against a team that knows what they're doing, but that's not who plays TF2 these days.
>>341890617
I actually used Degreaser with a mix of the Shotgun (obv.fine), Flaregun (also fine), detonator (most fun, but garbage except on certain maps), and Scorch Shot (needs a buff as well). Always with the Powerjack, which is still the best melee thanks to the speed bonus for rollouts.
In lobbies I have to use the scorch shot just to do chip damage most of the time. People don't get caught by degreaser bullshit as often anymore and Pyro's job is basically to spycheck and m2 projectiles. It makes you appreciate the weakness of low range and average mobility.
>>341887410
Hightower
Rescue Ranger
Engie
>>341891662
i want a back scatter strangifier
this gun is seriously awesome
why didnt they include strange variant for newer guns
>>341883967
Pyro/Engineer babysitter
>>341884549
Do you have any idea how long the queue times would be for a competitive 18 player game? Where everyone is happy with their designated class? Where nobody drops out or dc's?
>>341887410
Another cp_steel fan here
Not sure about fav wep
Scout
>>341891719
You can't avoid hitscan weapons that easily
>>341891459
I didn't need yer help ya know.
>>341891719
The entire argument? What argument? I didn't take part in your shitty argument you retard.
>>341891038
I wouldn't change rocket jump health costs to 50, I would change it to 120
Im saying a complete correction to the idiotic way this class gains mobility needs to be finally implemented, not some trifling tweak to existing mechanics
why would anyone just take for granted that a class has air superiority over all others? why even play another class if you have the skill to use rocket jumps perfectly?
or are you claiming the soldier is not the main, backbone character of tf2, equally good at all roles?
Should there really be a main offense character, and two lesser flanking characters, and then a big pack of shitty defensive characters, one of which is actually very good on offense?
>>341891192
>>341891286
Nice samefag. 1 minute apart, how subtle.
>You are fucking cancer.
>New weapons and playstyles are what I always hoped for when TF2 came out.
>Not new gimmick maps and gimmick game modes having to download so many terrible maps and totally ignored modes.
>Kill yourself cancer that plagued TF2 and brought it to its knees post-f2p .
>>341891150
Have you seen the stream valve employees did when they first announced matchmaking? The one where they played the game with b4nny?
They were all complete garbage at the game. Like, your mom level of garbage and mostly played pyro.
They think pyro is fine because they are lower than the average brazilian gibus.
i want the caber
bring the caber back
I used to love this fucking thing before they """"""""""""buffed""""""""""""""" it
Now they can't figure out what to do with it. Now it's a fucking joke. You can't even kill an enemy soldier with a direct crit rocket with it.
Fix it, valve
>>341884367
Please no, the grappling hook was a mistake.
>>341891878
I don't know what else to tell you bro but really tracer isn't hard to deal with.
>>341891901
Just stop you look pathetic.
>>341891976
Wow you sure got me you fucking dumbass.
>>341891192
>>341891286
>samefagging this obviously
There's literally nothing wrong with wanting new weapons.
tfw you master overwatch in 10 minutes there's zero depth to the game
>>341892050
its for dealing with scouts
>>341891804
degreaser was nerfed so bad last winter I switched to stock
I kind of missed the puff and sting because I figured the pyro's true strength was ambushing
>>341887410
Process is really fun.
My favorite stock weapon is the Rocket Launcher. My favorite unlock is the Ambassador.
My favorite and most-played class is Soldier with 223 hours.
>>341892078
>you look pathetic
>is trying to defend waifuwatch in a tf2 thread
lel
>>341891228
No, that's bad too. Would these alt-fire rockets come from the same clip? In which case you'd actually be buffing Soldier, and he doesn't need that either. Or would you have them come from a separate clip? If so, where are these invisible rockets coming from?
As you said, these things aren't going to happen. A much more reasonable course of action is to ask that Valve nerfs Soldier's overpowered weapon unlocks such as Beggar's Bazooka, Escape Plan, Disciplinary Action.
>>341891804
Pyro is a better Defense/Support character to be hotness.
SS is so much fun, fuck snipers
>>341892109
>mfw tf2 fags think rocket jumping is "hard" and "skillful"
they're so fucking deluded it's hilarious
>>341886267
it's 100% fucking true, my gf is the same damn way
>>341892109
I am just plain terrible at rocket jumping. Can't even do a double jump off the wall.
>>341892243
>I figured the pyro's true strength was ambushing
You're not wrong. Ambushing will usually give you the advantage.
Make use of weapons like this and the Backburner.
>>341892050
I fucking love the liberty Launcher, i use it with the Concheror and the Half-Zatoichi
>>341892243
>degreaser was nerfed so bad last winter I switched to stock
How fucking bad are you? It's still extremely powerful. you replace any ammo spent airblasting with the ammo of enemies dropped. It's still infinitely better than stock.
>>341879286
>We didn't expect Overwatch to be a big hit and we have to try to fix our game and try to get our player base back.
>>341884864
>removal of all cosmetics
get the mod you fucking pleb
>>341892109
what the fuck, did they update the viewmodels?
>>341892445
the holy triad of crutches
>>341891394
>>341891459
I hate cunty players too, but please don't bring this "toxic" "toxicity" meme to Team Fortress 2. Just call assholes assholes.
Jeffrey "Lyte" Lin, head of League of Legends' social systems team, popularized "toxic" as a vague term for "person in video games who hurts my feelings", and the last three games I've seen it catch on in (League, Archeage, and a KAG server) ended up with draconian moderation policies, banning anyone for any swear words at all like it was Club Penguin, or even for saying "gg" if it could be deemed sarcastic. I don't want to see that hugbox shit happen to TF2 as well.
Don't let Lyte's vague corporate buzzword spread. Just call rude people cunts. That avoids giving developers carte blanche to make their games kid-friendly from complaints they see.
>>341892350
nobody is saying rocket jumping is hard faggot, but tf2's movement mechanics are infinitely more interesting than overwatch.
>>341892557
and i'm saying Demo is an asshole
>>341886267
Not a girl, but I want a circling hearts unusual for medic. I spent all my trade earnings on a professional ks australium rocket launcher
>>341892349
>Pyro is a better Defense/Support character to be hotness.
I have been saying this for YEARS and you people just call me a shitter. By waiting around a corner or doorframe you will have the enemy come into your death range 90% of the time. I don't know why it's listed as offense when your weakness is people more than 5 feet away from you.
You can destroy a whole capture group by attacking them from behind for god's sake.
New TC map
Please
>>341891638
bland but nice taste/10
