http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/06/e3_2016_new_kind_of_mario_game_is_coming_says_shigeru_miyamoto
>"We're always challenging ourselves to create something new, so hopefully you'll see a new kind of Mario in about a year or two. Maybe next E3 we'll be able to share something."
>"It's kind of difficult with Mario because some of the more important conventions of Mario are based on the approachability and accessibility of those games."
>However, he added that as new talent has joined Nintendo over the years it has allowed the company to look on these conventions "with fresh eyes".
So, assuming they're going to "rethink the conventions" like they're doing with Zelda, what do you want from this "new kind of Mario"?
What convention should Miyamoto rethink?
In short, what do you want to see in the next mainline Mario game?
>>341876986
Given how Zelda's "rethink the conventions" was just stealing elements from Far Cry 2, The Witcher and Dark Souls, probably this "new kind of Mario" will be a Super Meat Boy clone.
>>341876986
double jump
Post >yfw you lived to see the third Nintendo Renaissance
>>341876986
>"rethink the conventions" like they're doing with Zelda
el oh el
Open world Mario, with platforming areas built into the map.
Unlockable kart for races and stunt areas.
An exploration of the modern infrastructure of the Mushroom Kingdom.
>>341877360
(You)
>>341876986
Over the shoulder cam Mario game with set pieces. Nintendo is fresh out of ideas so might as well copy whats popular just like they did with the new Zelda game.
The answer is simple.
KILL 3D MARIO.
The mass market has spoken. Audiences have REJECTED 3D Mario as a waste of time. They don't want to run around in wide open, boring, empty environments. They want to be immersed in a 2D game.
Why did NSMB sell nearly thirty million (THIRTY MILLION) while Super Mario Galaxy flopped? It's because the market is starting to push back against the inferior, 3D Mario gameplay. People don't want those games, but Nintendo is selfish and refuse to give gamers what they want. Why does 3D Land exist? Because Nintendo CAN'T admit to themselves that 3D Mario was a mistake and went out of their way to make 3D Mario as similar as 2D Mario as possible. And it STILL flopped.
It's time to make a real successor to Super Mario Bros 3, one with sharp new visuals, interesting mechanics, and NO FUCKING 3D.
>>341877916
>Dragon's Dogma
>Popular
>new kind of mario is coming
But what about gay priests???! XDD
>>341876986
>We're always challenging ourselves to create something new, so hopefully you'll see more of Mario in about a year or two
>>341878307
tbf they're not joking
>>341876986
Well no shit. You should always assume another mainline Mario game is coming.
>>341876986
3D RPG just like Super Mario RPG LotSS
>>341877918
But the 3D Mario games are awesome. If forced to I would say they are better than any 2D mario, but that is a senseless comparison.
NSMB is pretty much the successor to SMB3. I would like another 3D mario as well as real 3D successor to SNES's SMW
>>341877918
Bruh, stop existing, just go on, and stop it.
I don't want you to die
I don't want you to kill yourself
I just want you to disappear from this and all planes of existance.
Be sweetheart and get to working on that
>>341878556
Yeah, but like Zelda this one is going to blow our minds instead of regressing.
Now if only they could show Metroid the same ambitious love.
>>341878602
They already have the Mario and Luigi series for that.
I'd like a 3d metroidvania mario, where you gain movement options/powerups and use them to unlock new areas, as well as some side quests in the form of levels/challenges to unlock more powerups. Those powerups can only be accessed in certain situations/ enemy drops, not by your mp bar or anything like that. I call it Super Mario City.
>>341878681
I said 3D, silly, not 2D.
>>341878553
That image is truth
>>341878737
There are already 3 axes of movement in M&L.
What would be the difference other than "MUH GRAFFIX"?
>>341876986
FPS
Call of Mario: Bob-omb Battlefield
>So, assuming they're going to "rethink the conventions" like they're doing with Zelda, what do you want from this "new kind of Mario"?
The old kind of quality.
>What convention should Miyamoto rethink?
Nothing really, Galaxy 2 was fucking perfect.
>In short, what do you want to see in the next mainline Mario game?
Something to warrant radically changing direction for the best and most important franchise in video game history.
>>341878908
>geno
>graffix
>geno
>tone of story
come on dude. I know you don't like the Mario series but they've done some neat shit that isn't necessarily conventional. they could even get square enix on board (not that they're hte same as Square or anything) to help out with balance.
>>341878994
>genofags still exist
lmao
Even more pathetic than daisyfags at this point
>>341876986
oh boy cant wait for the load of disappointment
>>341879105
xD -FAG
shut up with that stupid comment. no one is a fag because they like something. you on the other hand like dick, which definitely makes you a fag.
>>341877360
Which all stole from Ocarina of time. GG EZ
>>341879179
hi leddit cancer
>>341878637
But dying would be the same thing as not existing
3D World was a mistake.And awful.
>>341878307
>>341877918
hi greg. did /toy/ laugh you out of the house again?
>>341879310
dont forget 3D Land
that shit was a load of terrible
>>341877569
>>341879435
please delete this
>>341879261
what did they steal anon.
>>341876986
A new 2D Mario that drops the "NEW" from its title and has actual effort put into its presentation would be nice.
>>341879554
3D Land is much much worse than 3D World.
In fact, 3D world would be quite good if not for the multiplayer design of the stages.
>>341878553
Sony rehashes even more in a smaller amount of time. Look at the rachet and clank series, there are 10 games in the span of 2 generations. There's like 2 zelda games per generation at best.
>>341876986
Super Mario World: Breath of the Wild
Female mario.
>We're always challenging ourselves to create something new
This is true when you consider what games Miyamoto actually worked on. Doki Doki Panic was the real SMB2, Yoshi's Island was the real SMW2 etc.
>>341876986
open world game with mario64-like controls/gameplay confirmedmight have "rpg elements"
>>341877360
I wouldn't mind extreme mario.
Every thread
>takes place in the entire Mushroom World
>the map looks like the ones from the Mario & Luigi handheld games
>it's pretty big but every zone is linked by warp pipes to a hub
>you can still go through all of it by foot, no loading screens
>the world map includes: Peach's Castle (also works as hub), Toad Town (where you find various minigames and other side activities), the sewers (with a pipe labyrinth), Bowser's Fortress, Luigi's Mansion, Donkey Kong Jungle (and/or a construction site inspired by the original DK), Wario's Goldmine, Pianta Resort, E. Gadd's Laboratory, Rosalina's Planetarium or some sort of floating island, Yoshi's Island, plus a volcano, snowy mountains, a forest, a beach, an underwater land, a desert, a candy land
>some areas are huge, some are smaller
>you can chase whichever star you want in the order you prefer, and you can even see the stars in the distance while you're traveling
>to reach certain stars you need particular power-ups
>across the levels you'll find some blacked out "?" blocks
>you need to unlock those blocks to get the power-ups you need
>to unlock them you have to get certain stars (so for example you get the "star of the fire flower", you'll unlock all the fire flower "?" blocks across the map)
>some areas have Great stars (or King stars or whatever) that are protected by a boss
>getting these Great Stars unlocks playable characters (Luigi's Mansion = Luigi, Peach's Castle = Peach, etc.)
>FLUDD comes back as a power-up you find in "?" blocks
>so does Yoshi (like in SMW)
>maybe even hammers
>tons of cameos from every game of the franchise (Land, SMB2, and every major spinoff)
>a level which is a 3D version of SMB 1-1, where the star is on top of the flagpole
>>341877918
I know this is bait...but I gotta let you know...you're a fucking retard
>>341879725
I wish I had enough friends that liked vidya for a 4 player play through of 3d World.I wish I had friends.
>>341879105
Here, I'll help that guy out:
>character depth for the main cast besides Mario and Geno, along with individuality of attacks
>still bright and cartoony but cozy feel and color palette given to the Mario World
>enticingly- or interestingly-designed Items
>the involvement of the Star Road and the stars in general (Rosalina takes Geno's role, these days)
>Invincibility Star cut down on encounter rate
>logical timing system (TTYD and M&L fuck this up in their own regards)
>small variety of dialects and races, and not just HURR DIFFERENT LANGUAGE DURR
>overworld treasures required 3D platforming skill (not always perfectly designed, but very solid), instead of combing every square inch with utterly situational and drawn-out maneuvers for worthless beans and the like
>better individual boss motives
>proper gravitas given to events or artifacts when needed
Now that said, PM1 did add First Strike/Back Attack, and the Badges are fun. Newer Mario RPG's have introduced a very few good things or modern improvements upon the core mechanics, but screwed up a lot of other things in the process.
"Open world" Mario would be neat.
Something like Mario Sunshine except you can actually travel from one hub to the next on foot with levels and obstacles and secrets between.
>>341877752
What is this from?
>>341877360
You're an idiot.
What are you guys smoking, open world mario sounds absolutely fucking terrible. Some of the larger levels of SM64 push it a bit, do you think an entire connected level would be fun at all? Especially when your only weapon is more than likely jumping unless they do some weird "equippable power ups" shit, and even then you're more incentivized to just run around enemies to grab shit anyway.
>>341880895
Mario Kart 8
>>341877360
Don't we already have Mario Maker for that?I still want a 3D Mario Maker
I dunno what you could do to evolve mario even more until it's something that doesn't really feel like Mario anymore
>>341877360
>stealing elements
lmao everything present in zeldu was in the first zelda
>>341876986
>>hopefully you'll see a new kind of Mario in about a year or two
>>a year or two
>mfw Nintendo can't even have a new Mario in time for the NX release
>mfw NX will be another shitty gimmick system with huge droughts and mediocre titles
I want a mario game where the levels arent just floating in the middle of nowhere, and I dont want another new super mario 3d world land
>>341881254
How about adding a sense of speed instead of the slow boring shit we have now?
>>341878619
If Nintendo wants to make a 3D platformer so badly, MAKE A NEW IP.
Don't turn Mario into something it isn't.
Do you know why BOTW has been so wel received? It went back to it's roots and became about EXPLORATION and COMBAT, not PUZZLES. Mario is the same way. When SMB2 flopped, Nintendo immediately pretended that it never happened and released SMB3 instead.
But now we have gone nearly THIRTY YEARS without a real Mario game to play. 64 sucked balls, Sunshine sucked. Galaxy sucked. Galaxy 2 was a rehash of a sucky game. Why is Nintendo making all of these games that NO ONE wants to play? It has reached the point where a fucking mediocre Playstation exclusive that no one likes can outperform a Mario game.
>>341877752
>City open world mario
That's what I thought Sunshine would be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7Z9MzMg9vM
vr mario
calling it now
>>341877918
>immersed
>2d
icydrone pls go and stay go
Super Mario: Gears & Wheels
>Mario got fat and Bowser is Dry Bowser
>Monita from Nintendo Land appears and gets them back in shape
>She decides to create a contest for the two but not like classic Marios cause those got old
>Game is carbuilding / driving
>Subtle and not-so-subtle jabs at classic Mario games
What do you guys think?
>>341881483
How does it feel to never have anyone agree with anything you say?
If you want people to take you seriously you probably shouldn't call universally acclaimed masterpieces bad without several extremely convincing arguments.
OPEN WORLD 3D PLATFORMER FEATURING RESOURCE HARVESTING, CRAFTING, DURABILITY, STAMINA AND ENEMY MARKING
ARE WE AAA WESTERN YET
>>341881319
Couldn't agree more, NX should have Zelda and a new 3D Mario on release.
Mario in metroidvania form.
Based Nintendo, doing it for the art. Because most of the best-selling titles were all lazy rehashes.
>>341876986
>Super MarioMagnet World
>>341882048
Why the fuck would Mario steal from a bad game?
>>341878259
What happened buddy? Can'tstandagainst jojofags?
>>341881254
Make an actual 3d super mario world.
There still hasn't been a platformer 2d or 3d that has achieved the level freedom that super mario world set despite being decades old.
>>341882759
Options are pretty limited if they can only steal from better games because there are none. It would have to be Super Monster Hunter Bros or something
>>341882759
?
I'm not sure what you mean anon, I was just throwing in a suggestion for a new Mario that rethinks the conventions.
>>341876986
Kill the plumber we get to play as teh bad guys.
Hope you niggas are ready for DEEPEST: The Game
>Play as the green thwomp trying to free the enslaved DK race
>Need to resurrect the spirit of the Real Luigi from a fountain in the castle courtyard
>>341881259
>You see that mountain? You can climb it.
>>341883827
Make this into its own thread. I want to see the infinite salt.
See, when you guys say Open World Mario, I immediately think of SM64/SMS/SMG. For the chipper demeanor of Mario, transitions to sandbox are the only way to go.
Mario is more fun with a variety of level types. To accurately make those transitions in a TRUE open world construct would take far, far too long. As fun as it might seem, getting around Delfino Island would still have taken a largely empty 2-5 minute Turbo Nozzle trek, and no one would want that, or else you limit the player to only that world and punish them with boredom for wanting to either explore or progress.
>>341876986
>We're always challenging ourselves to create something new,
So is that why they've been making nothing but shitty Mario and Zelda rehashes for nearly 30 years?
>>341882241
Brand recognition, nothing more.
>>341876986
Just like paper mario isn't it
>>341877360
Video games? HUNDREDS of video games came out before Zelda: BotW! Nintendo needs to get their act together.
No Bowser as the main baddy, please. Give me Fucking Wart or someone else that can help the main series branch out into new plotlines
Give Mario a sense of place. Not just random, disconnected zones, but a series of courses that connect and transition into each other. Basically, no overworld.
Maybe a new riding companion? Yoshi's great and all, but I'd love to see an Ostro or something become rideable.
Aside from this, they can do whatever they please.
Oh, AND BRING BACK WARIO
>>341876986
>tfw they make the mario game they came up with that later became Contra
>>341876986
man I just want a 3D Mario where he punches things again. jumping is nice but nothing feels better than fucking shit up with the 3 piece combo and jump kicks
>nintendo makes Mario Combat canon
