Look at them trot out this tired old talking point from the late 90s and early 00s
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-15-has-over-100-hours-of-gameplay/1100-6441008
"Muh XX hours of gameplay!"
They haven't learned anything have they?
>>341875979
So in other words
>30 hour main story
>10 hour interesting side quests
>10 hour "exploration"
>50 hour hunting quests with bullet sponge bosses
Literally every other FF game
>>341876269
Literally every other FF game other than X, XII, and XIII are not like that.
That's cool. Dragon Quest VII had 200 hours of gameplay back on the PS1. And that is the most linear DQ game to date. FFXV will probably be 30 hours of story and 120 hours of mindless driving.
>>341876428
You mean the FF games made by the current generation of SE employees over the past 17 years?
Yeah, you're right. Maybe this game will be more like FF1-9. Maybe.
>>341876486
Officially it's 40-50 hours of pure story,100+ hours of extra stuff.
>>341875979
So what should they say?
It's redundant saying a game will be over 200 hours when there's a gambling mechanic in it
Poker and Mahjong alone in yakuza were my bane so i'm bound to spend all my fucking time on that colisseum betting on monsters
>>341876895
They should just be honest and say the game will have x hours of story and the rest is just open exploration. They're not doing that since 99% of FF fans only care about the story and set content. So if they hear "it has 40 hour of story and 100 hours of side quests", then all they hear in their head is "its a 40 hour game".
>>341877075
>"In terms of clearing the main story, we're anticipating about 40 to 50 hours of gameplay," Tabata said on the Square Enix E3 livestream. "So at the very least, there'll be 40 hours worth of content to enjoy in the final game."
>Tabata added that there are also many side quests and "other extra things" that the developer has planned.
>"With just the extra stuff alone, we're looking at maybe 100 hours of gameplay," he said. "So if you count all of that, maybe we're looking at 200 hours of gameplay... the final version of the game coming out--about 200 hours total."
Sounds like Tabata was acting the way you wanted him to act.
>>341876486
Out of curiosity, where is DQ9 on that scale?
I'm just at that village where the Leviathan is giving the people fish and I'm like 12 hours of casual play so far.
>>341876269
FPBP
I prefer 30hrs in FFXV rather than 50hrs of hallways just like FFXIII
>>341877492
Main story is around 50-80 hours depending on how much leveling and side quests you do. End game is virtually infinite. Took people in Japan 700 hours to finish the end game and that's with tons of streetpass help to get grottoes. No way to finish the game now without using hacks since WiFi is gone.
>>341877932
What the fuck? What do you do in the endgame?
>>341878035
300+ extra quests with rediculous requirements, have to get 30 people to visit your Inn to expand it all the way, grinding grotto maps to fight all the bosses from past DQ games, completing bestiary, tons of grinding for alchemy items, few end game story quests (one of which doesn't unlock until you get all the other quests done).
>>341878213
Well, fuck
>>341878286
As big of a DQ as I am, I say just play the main story of DQIX and then quit. Hope we get Dragon Quest X which is basically all the concepts of DQIX, but with dedicated online. So there's no more being blocked by content because of WiFi. Also has a better single player story as well.
>>341878428
I'll keep that in mind. DQ9 is my first DQ game and I'm having mad fun so far, hoping that 7/8 are good and looking to pick up the other DS remakes.
FFXV seems so misguided.
Even Square-Enix themselves are giving off this alarming aura of "Will people actually like this?" It's like this huge moneysink that nobody seems to fucking know what it's supposed to be.
I think this game will turn out to be quite the disaster honestly.
>>341878635
Yeah it seems a little haphazard they were still adding shit as late as December, and still showing shit in the early stages in March. Misguided is probably the right term, but I'd say "misdirected" personally.
Why don't they just bring Sakaguchi back? It's not like he's doing anything worthwhile at the moment.
>>341879075
Kinda want Mistwalker to get a decent budget together and make a goddamn console gameHis new project looks interesting, and I liked The Last Story
>>341879160
Their next game is co-made with Silicon Studio, who specialise in 3DS and mobile games, it's likely a handheld game at this rate
>>341878635
FFXV seemed like it was a problem as early as 2008. Didn't even seem like it would run on a PS3. And they kept making tons of excuses for delaying it like needing to work on other projects. But they also are making the same excuses for KH3. And both are being worked on at the same time.
No matter what the true development schedule has been like however, what can't be ignored is how FFXV lost its hype window. People expected it on the PS3. Many people even bought a PS3 just for that game. So not giving it to them is going to make more than a few people angry enough to just skip it on PS4. Either waiting for the eventual PC port or not at all. Burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice, I ignore your game out of spite.
>>341879559
Yeah let's just ignore the whole release date unveiling event they did.
>>341878771
The fact that they are taking feedback and changing the game fucking months before release is a huge red flag.
It's great that you listen to fans square, but holy shit; A decade in development and you're being wishty washy about this shit? This isn't the time to be making changes to the game.
Alarming as fuck.
honestly the game looked alot better when nomura was leading the team. now that he isn't its just turned into this mess where nobody is sure as to what's going on.
>>341876428
>XIV
>1000 hours of botting
>100 hours of raging at retards in raids
>10000 hours of ERP in balmung c:
>>341879834
I think the biggest red flag is them rushing to hype a remake of FFVII at the same time they're trying to hype FFXV. As if they need FFVII hype to help sell FFXV. Or help deflect from its possible failure.
Square really should look to the Dragon Quest series. Which have a fraction of the development budget of FF games, yet still sells just as much. Or hell, just look at Square games on the SNES and PS1. Stop trying to make every FF game outdo FFVII. Fans are never going to like any new FF game as much as VII so all the focus on a FFVII level production budget is just burning money.
>>341878635
They removed the vision guy
Will FFXV save video games?
>>341878635
Pretty much spot on. From their constant asking fans quests of the most obvious shit like 'should we put chocobos in this game?' it genuinely seems like they have no idea what they are doing. Which really isn't surprising considering nearly all of the developers of talent left the company years ago.
The only thing I was interested in when it came to FFXV is the possibility of stuff to do outside of the main story. And the developers can't even explain what that is besides driving a car and fighting random hunts. Whereas Nintendo puts on a 24 hour marathon of showing Zelda gameplay. At this point, I'm more inclined to think FFXV is going to be lackluster in exploration just like past FF games. Which hyped as fuck for Zelda.
>>341881227
>Which really isn't surprising considering nearly all of the developers of talent left the company years ago.
That's not true! Masato Kato and Yuji Horii are still there!
SE is just keeping Masato Kato from doing anything meaningful and Yuji Horii works for the Enix side. Square should be getting them both to make a new Chrono game, but they're too prideful.
>>341880597
i wouldn't be surprised with they bundled a teaser or small demo of vii with xv just to sell more copies.
>>341880597
>Stop trying to make every FF game outdo FFVII.
The problem is this has more less entirely been what final fantasy has been about for almost 20 years. Trying to one up the last game by being more impressive with better graphics and changes for the sake of changes. I don't think the people who make these games even remember how to go back anymore.
>>341875979
you know this same shit was part of witcher 3 advertisement?
and it was 250hrs
>>341875979
I wanna approach 15 with an open mind. Yes I've hated all since 10, but I'm gonna give this a good go and try my best to approach it without any pre judgements.
The demo was a disappointment from a game play and battle point of view, but I'll see how it may have changed.
>>341881329
>And the developers can't even explain what that is besides driving a car and fighting random hunts.
Probably because that's all it is. Judging from the side content in the last few final fantasy games, it is going to be an empty, lifeless world filled with some optional HP bloat bosses.
>>341881576
Well, trying to make the sequel better than the previous game has been the focus of FF since the Famicom days. Square just doesn't know how to keep what worked well from the previous games. It has to throw everything out and start fresh each time. Which leads to major peaks and valleys for the series and pisses off fans.
>>341881729
Final Fantasy XV in general is trying very hard to be Witcher 3. Wonder if it's gonna succeed.
>>341881893
I agree. It looks like FFXII all over again. Before FFXII came out, they promised a huge open world and exploration as well. And the end result was a few set zones with hunts and espers in them.
FFXV will have a 'seamless world', but that doesn't mean it'll have anything in the world to do. Might as well just wait for DQXI.
>>341878635
this is FeatureCreep: The Game, if I have ever seen one.
They kept adding new shit and making it look nicer, meanwhile the framerate and actual gameplay experience remain low and dull.
Seriously, how the fuck did they manage to make Noctis warping around incredibly fast and hitting enemies with weapons he summon out of thin air feel so sluggish and unresponsive
>>341881908
Trying to make a better game is fine, but FF became about showmanship on the PS1 and its something the series has obsessed about since. Its FMVs, the in-house engines. It is arguably their biggest mistake with the series; it worked once with FF7 and they just seem to think its necessary to keep doing it.
>>341882486
I agree.I actually think FFVIII did better, with the best FMV direction and design of the series. Then FFX went downhill with a faceplam worthy story and cinematics just for the sake of cinematics.
>>341875979
>>341876269
>In My Opinion (the ONLY objectively right one BTW), game devs should STOP padding their games because the ONLY important part of the game is the main story quest content, this is all I care about and this is all other people should care about too, because this is what I like and everyone else's tastes and opinions are objectively wrong, as I said at the beginning of my world important post
>>341882257
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZnmCmAkN54
Framerate is apparently perfect now.
>>341883357
That was running on PC.
>>341884685
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaCmM3KTPjk
>Nope, it's on PS4. I plugged the capture kit into the console myself.
The journos had playable demos available.
>>341878635
They lack a vision beyond making sure the game doesn't play like FF13. And most of their devs still seem to struggle with HD game development.
>>341885671
Wrong video.
I hope FFXV flops hard. Not because I perticularly hate FF. But because I'm tired of SquareEnix putting 90% of their development and marketing budget behind a handful of FF games. And yes, I'd rather have Dragon Quest and Chrono games.
