I really hope they don't fuck up Persona 5 like how they fucked up P4. The whole forced humour and goofy characters thing was extremely obnoxious. I hope they decide to take Persona 5 more seriously and actually make it more interesting than wacky. But,Persona 4 did sell more than the other 3 so it's probably going to end up another franchise ruined by its fans
>I didn't like it so it was shit
>>341869893
???
P3 had the better story
P4 had better characters
P5 maybe both?
profit?
>>341870013
That's how opinions work anon
>>341869893
toppe lole @ u
>>341870042
>P4 had better characters
>Yosuke and Teddy
>Copy and pasted black haired Mitsuru
Not to mention the majority of the social links in P4 are identical to P3. I actually don't think there was a single likable character in the entire game.
>>341870107
Really? I had no idea. This won't happen again I promise!
>>341870013
>I have poor taste so everyone should suffer
>>341869893
Every game has been fucked up since 2
P4>P3
>>341870874
>you have poor taste because I say so
>>341871105
Not even remotely true.
>>341870995
I agree although P3 had a good story so it was tolerable. Not like P4
>>341871105
I honestly do not understand how anyone can have this opinion. And I played P4 first.
>>341871141
>You have good taste because you say so
>>341871105
I agree with this statement.
>>341871506
The majority of them have only played P4. They think that Persona games are just glorified dating sims because they never played 2. I hope Atlus manage to stay true to the originals and not change their franchise in order to appeal to the weeaboo autists.
>>341871141
>>341871641
So which of you has good taste
>>341870497
>I actually don't think there was a single likable character in the entire game.
And yet you think Persona 3 has likeable characters in it.
P4 casualized the series and turned the weeb up to 11.
Dear God, I hope persona 5 actually attempts to tell a decent story without cringeworthy characters and dialogue.
>>341871805
Yes. They had interesting characters like Takaya and Shinjiro. The main characters also felt a lot more genuine and weren't your run-of-the-mill anime characters.
Now I know no one is shit talking my boy Teddie
>>341871883
Atlus did a character popularity poll at E3 and Morgana won. Prepare for Teddy 2.0 amped up to 11.
>>341869893
both p4 and p3 are good games.
I liked the darker tone of 3 but 4 had TONS better pacing and was less grindy because you had nothing else to do. fes made 3 better but it still had gaps with nothing to do.
>>341871883
This. I'll tolerate social links,but they need to find a correct balance and not entirely rely on waifus and social links to make their game good.
>>341872045
Social links were only in the testing faze during P3. They had much more time to finalise and adjust them for Persona 4. There's no excuse for 4's abysmal story however.
>>341871883
They are literally set in Japan, with the main characters being Japanese high schoolers. There is nothing "weeb" about that at all.
I'm hoping they go towards the dark themes of P2 and P3, but they only way they'll do that is if they try to play towards a smaller audience.
The people who played P4 when they were 16-20 usually liked that style and humor, and I hope atlus thinks that those people are now 20-24 and like darker things. THat's the only way I can imagine this being anything but a light hearted romp. Just look at Persona Q and dancing all night, it's been lighthearted weeb romps all day.
>>341872216
Yes there is. None of the characters act like real people in P4 and they try too hard to either make something funny or extremely dramatic. They can't find a balance.
>>341872508
And what about that is weeb, exactly?
>Edgy grim dark Persona where you shoot yourself to summon demons
>Generic anime power of friendship
At least P4 didn't take itself serious.
>>341872651
None of the characters act realistic. They all act like anime characters so they can become "waifu material" and appeal to weeaboos.
>>341872685
Nice use of buzzwords. I particularly like how you elaborated on your points.
>>341872750
Like P3's cast?
>>341872834
What was anime like about Akihiko,Junpei,Fuuka or Yukari?
>>341872216
Yes, because normal japanese high school kids cross-dress, start a band without even knowing how to play an instrument, and attempt to solve murder cases.
>>341872826
I like how you didn't refute any of the stated points.
>>341871105
I thought P4 had a more creative take on the characters and protagonist, but P3's plan on what to actually do with them was much stronger.
>>341869893
>Forced humor and goofy characters
Which were the butt of jokes about them being lame? Did we play the same game?
P4 was legitimately funny in many cases, and for a 70 hour game it's ok to have a few misses. And most of those are probably due to some things being impossible to localize.
>>341873823
There are some funny parts,but the majority of the funny parts aren't funny. Humour in Persona 3 came naturally since you weren't expecting it.
>>341873947
You're wrong? I think you confused "a character makes a corny joke and gets shit on for it" with "the writer wants me to laugh at everything Teddie says."
>>341874073
You just stated what made it bad. Teddie and corny jokes. Getting shit on for it doesn't make up for the joke. But humour is subjective so I could understand if you found it funny. I just felt the amount if jokes in the game was unnecessary.
>>341872750
That's more of it just being poorly written than weeb as fuck.
It bothers me that the main cast of persona games get to dress differently from their classmates.
>>341871968
>The main characters also felt a lot more genuine and weren't your run-of-the-mill anime characters.
ahahahaha, take those nostalgia goggles off buddy
>>341873031
After you crack them open, Fuuka and Yukari have no qualm jumping on your dick and don't mind being a part of your harem. Fuuka has the comically over done "XD GIRLS CAN'T COOK BECAUSE OF MODERN DAY OFFICE LADIES" thing, Junpei acts as the BFF after you BTFO out of him and his dreams and Aki tries to be the stoic badass. Yukari also treats you like dirt because she's popular only to open up and love you later after you solve her problems.
>>341872750
>appeal to weeaboos
I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word "weeaboo" which is a non-Japanese obsessed with Japan being allegedly superior to his/her culture. Persona are Japanese games made for Japanese by Japanese, they're not making anybody to appeal to weeaboos, as you say, but to Japanese nerds. Call them otaku if you want, but weeaboos they are not.
>>341873947
You're kidding right? The humor in Persona 3 was just as bad as the humor in Persona 4.
>Played all the games
>1/EPfag
>People honestly think 4's plot is worse than the many inconsistencies featured in 3
P3fags are the fucking worst
>it's another /v/ being contrarians episode
>>341869893
They already fucked it up by taking so long to localize it and not even bother including dual audio.
Futaba's character bio is also as cringeworthy as Naoto's
>>341875039
That's every episode anon. Well if you don't count the falseflagging episodes.
Maybe I should drop this show.
>>341871883
This. I also hope they actually try to make SLs interesting. 90% of the P3 and P4 SLs were absolute shit.
>>341874387
Literally just replayed both games.
>>341874445
These are realistic tropes to have though.
>>341875039
Actually the majority of the Internet thinks 3 is better than 4. 2 is objectively the best however.
>>341874445
>GIRLS CAN'T COOK BECAUSE OF MODERN DAY OFFICE LADIES
So you didn't do her S.Link at all? she learns to improve and actually does make some stuff in her S.Link without screwing it up.
And P3 Has a jealousy mechanic, if you ignore a girl for another one they get jealous and break the S.Link, something P4 doesn't have
They don't want to be part of a harem, you're just twisting things and being an idiot.
>>341874445
Fuuka learns to cook in her S.Link, not that you'd know because you're just shitposting
>>341869893
I can garentee this will be Persona 4 2.0. Go in with this expectation
How about you guys be honest with yourselves and admit no matter how good/bad P5 is all you will talk about is the girls.
>>341871883
>P4 casualized the series and turned the week up to 11
That was P3, P4 just continued on the road that P3 started, you P3fags are the fucking worst.
>>341876235
>Actually the majority of the internet thinks 3 is better than 2
I guess that's why P4 and Golden sold much better and P4 characters always do better in character popularity polls
>>341876256
>They don't want to be part of a harem
Same in P4:Golden, you have to break up with everyone if you date them all.
P3/4 fags are both disgusting, but P3fags are worse sin P4fags mostly just shitpost about their waifus, P2 is the best.
>>341876629
This
>>341876629
That's the sort of cancer Persona 4 brought along with it. Personally, I'd prefer if there were no social links.
>>341876629
Why? All of them are bland and formulaic as fuck. I'm more interested in the possibility of Atlus bringing back negotiations to Persona and reimplement elements that P3/4 removed.
>>341876821
>you have to break up with everyone if you date them all.
Not really, they actually apologize for not being good enough, the only one that acts jealous is Rise, yet she simply drops it and lets it happen,
>>341876821
I bet you haven't even played any other one beside P4. P3 wasn't perfect but it actually had a good story and discussed interesting themes. P4 was literally just a wacky dating sim.
P1 = Experimentation, basically SMT with Stands
P2 = Dark and Crazy, improves on P1
P3 = Aesthetic and Story Driven, Not as Dark, gameplay is a whole new formula that only loosely follows the previous Personas
P4 = Literally a shittier Persona 3 with pants-on-head retarded Shounen trash characters, Nipfuck Village's Scooby Doo
P5 = Who the fuck knows, heist shit with the most stylish art direction in a Persona game so far, wacky and crazy, but not cringey like P4 and has a more P3-esque tone to the story, doesn't seem retarded like P4, so that's an automatic win on my end
The only good thing about P4 is the fighting game and Kanji, and that's literally it
Now that's said, stop playing Persona and get to playing SMT
>>341877154
>improves on P1
not in gameplay, that's for sure
>>341876837
Everything you criticize in P4, P3 introduced to the series.
>>341876975
>P3 wasn't perfect but it actually had a good story and discussed interesting themes
It had interesting themes but the story was dogshit, and P3 introduced all the shit elements you people criticize P4 for.
>I bet you haven't even played any other one beside P4
Wrong, I have played P2 aswell, and it shits all over 3 and 4.
>>341877154
>stop playing Persona and get to playing SMT
>not playing both simultaneously
Step it up senpai.
>>341877154
You forgot to point out that the gameplay gets worse and worse with each new game.
>>341877249
P3 didn't introduce reviving dead characters with no explanation whatsoever
I mean, Junpei did something similar but it cost Chidori's life, Nanako just comes back to life because she can
>>341876975
>P3
>good story
Let's see...
>Anon-kun, please join our organization and kill shadows!
>Anon-kun, you have to advance in this boring as fuck dungeon known as the tartarus because we think it might contain the secret to stopping the dark hour but we won't tell you why
>*procedee to grind in the boring s fuck dungeon and save Fuuka(only interesting thing to happen) until summer
>Anon-kun, you have to kill more of these boss shadows to stop the dark hour, so you basically have to do the same thing you have already been doing for most of the game!
>Oh no, we were betrayed, now you have fight this ancient evil that have awoken or the world will be destroyed!
>oh shit you died at the end, how sad
Damn, what a good story!!!
>>341877249
>it had interesting themes but the story was shit
You're literally talking out of your ass. A theme can't be interesting if the story isn't there to act as a pillar.
And yes,I'm saying this whole thread that Persona 3 wasn't perfect but Persona 4 was absolute garbage. Like I've said at least 3 times,Persona 3 had a good story to stand with the social links. P4 didn't have a good story so it's literally a shitier P3
>>341870042
how did p4 have better characters they were all boring 1 dimensional highschool kid cutouts
>>341877901
>if I make fun of the plot and present it in a stupid way then that means the story is bad
Here's your (You)
>>341877901
Pathetic. You completely missed the character development that took place during the periods waiting for the full moon boss. And saying tartarus is boring is entirely subjective. I didn't mind grinding in there. And saying "you died how sad" to trivialise the ending clearly shows you've the mentally capacity of a Persona 4 fan.
I can't tell if you're baiting or just simply retarded.
P3fags are like the middle child who no one wants.
>>341877959
>A theme can't be interesting if the story isn't there to act as a pillar
Yes it can, death is an interesting theme, P3 still had a shitty story.
>P4 was absolute garbage
Wow, how contrarian you are. The S-links were the only good thing in both games, both stories were terrible. P4 also had better dungeons which didn't make it a complete fucking slog to play through.
>>341878115
>making fun of the plot
He literally just summarized it, that is the entire essence of the P3 plot.
>>341878217
>and saying tartarus is boring is entirely subjective
This fucking retardation holy shit, news flash, its video games, almost everything is subjective.
P4 allows me to control all my characters which I couldn't get used to in P3, but character-wise I enjoy both of them to the same regard.
P4 only wins in that aspect, and because I didn't like tartarus.
>>341878217
>Trivialise
>A Game
I'm a fan of the persona series, but come on guys, they're just fucking games. They are pretty much inherently trivial.
>>341877901
If all your recaps are this vague, the one for P4 must be two or three points max.
>>341878417
He didn't just summarise the plot. He trivialised it. You can literally do that with anything ever made. It's the beginners guide to shitposting.
Why do you think the plot is bad then? Explain your reasoning.
>>341878417
>The S-links were the only good thing in both games
>the worst writing both games have
>the only good thing
SLs are absolute shit. P3's are short and do squat, P4's are long and actually make the characters shitty. There are a couple of salvageable SLs in both games but even then they're either mediocre or passable.
>>341878589
they arent objectively trivial, so no you're just a retard
>>341878417
>He literally just summarized it
He skipped many parts and simply presented it in a dumb way, you can do that with any fucking piece of literature no matter how well it's written.
>>341878574
P3P let's you control your team.
>>341878734
Not him but: The story in P3 is almost nonexistent untill the second half of the game, the first half is extremely boring and just feels like a fucking grind, the game got really good towards the end and I enjoyed the ending a lot but everything before that felt like filler, especially the first 5 months. In contrast, the P4 story, while simplistic, starts almost immediately and presents you with a mystery to solve, saving your classmates in the dungeons gives you new party members and moves the investigation forward which kept me hooked. This is just the opinion of a pretty new personafag that got introduced to the series last year, I played P3:FES and P4:Golden.
>Personafags arguing about which one of the stories is shittier
Just another day on /v/.
>>341879115
Its funny you say that when for 95% of P4 is LITERALLY *LITERALLY* all the plot elements are
>Someone got trapped lets save them
>Ok we saved you, any clues?
>"No!"
>OK oh look someone else is trapped lets save them
>>341879115
>, the first half is extremely boring and just feels like a fucking grind
Again, boring is just your opinion, either say why it's "boring" or don't post at all.
You have plenty of things happening in the game, and many events that leave you wondering what's gonna happen next, either you didn't personally care for them or you just didn't pay attention, either way you're just trying to pass your opinions as fact,
>>341879115
There's nothing unique about solving a murder mystery. They tried to make it seem like the killer was Hitler just for killing 2 women and I thought that Persona 4 was incredibly linear as well since it was just watch the midnight chanel,act surprised when you see the person you obviously know is going to be the victim,save them and repeat for half the game. Also I had pretty much figured out who the killer was by the time you rescue Rise.
>>341879115
>A rogue Persona using team attacks you
>Yukari finds out the truth about her dad and takes it out on Mitsuru
>Ken gets Shinjiro killed
Yes this is definitely filler while getting letters in your mailbox in P4 is gripping storytelling.
>>341870497
Yosuke and Teddy (and Kanji) were the best characters in the game you cunt
I like both P3 and P4 for different reasons.And I'll never play 1 and 2
>>341869893
Didn't you watch the trailers? It's even wackier than P4 was.
>boys
P3>P4
>girls
P4>P3
>>341879680
What's wacky about the protagonist being arrested for beating a guy up? Is all you remember the five second beach scene?
The second half of PV 03 is literally the characters having mental breakdowns and crying while the Game Over music plays.
>>341879304
As I said, getting new teammates kept me hooked and wanted me to continue playing
>>341879471
Never said it was unique, and there's nothing unique about stopping an ancient will that wants to destroy the world either.
>>341879539
Most, if not all of that happens during or after the summer. And after those scenes it's back to grinding tartarus and killing shadow bosses you have no real connection to, making the bosses shadows of the people you know was pretty brilliant in P4 and actually made me care. letters in your mailbox is not gripping storytelling, teenagers coming to terms with their relatable problems is.
>>341879678
>Not playing 2
>Missing out on the best persona
>>341879930
>As I said, getting new teammates kept me hooked and wanted me to continue playing
uhh then whats the problem with P3 again?
>>341879932
Is that Morgana's human form?
>>341879930
You get new teammates who come to terms with their problems in P3 too.
And it's actually done in a natural, non-narrative way instead of like in P4 where they just repeat GO TO DUNGEON. CONFRONT PROBLEM. BE FIXED five fucking times in a row.
>>341880041
Mostly that I never cared about my teammates, I could never see myself be friends with any of them, and I actualy got the bad ending the first time I played through the game.
>>341870042
P4 had the better story
>>341880354
>Mostly that I never cared about my teammates
Then thats your fault
>>341880354
I cared more about Yukari after seeing her with what I thought was a gun to her head in the first five minutes of the game more than I cared my entire P4 party the entire playthrough.
>>341880278
>You get new teammates who come to terms with their problems in P3 too.
Again, I never cared about any of them and they don't come to terms with their issues until the ending, or close to the ending.
>>341880514
Not really, it's the writers fault for not getting me invested, and I think it's more than me that feel this way since the P4 characters always rank higher than the P3 ones in character polls.
>all these were week haters.
For fucks sake, this is a JRPG initially made with a Japanese audience in mind.
>>341880679
*weeb
>>341880643
Japan is shit when it comes to character polls and hurts your opinion.
The MC self inserts always win. You agree with them that Yu is the best character in Persona 4?
>>341879930
>teenagers coming to terms with their problems
And searching for a reason to live in a mundane society isn't? What characterisation actually occurs during Persona 4? All of them have to be unlocked via social links whereas P3 characters have development on screen and also offer bonuses with social links,like it should be.
p4 > p2 > p3 > p1
deal with it
>>341880679
There's a difference between a Japanese person and a weeaboo.
>>341881001
I prefer the s-link way since you get to spend more time with them and their issues, which you don't get to do in P3. Only thing I hated about the S-links in P4 was that the character development didn't affect the story, I fucked Naoto and it is never referenced again, ever. I helped kanji with his issues about his own masculinity and they never talk about it again, only thing I really hated with P4. I personally thought it did everything else better than P3.
>>341881579
>which you don't get to do in P3
That's not true.
>>341878757
At least in my opinion, 80 percent of the P3 social links were awful. All of the ones I consider good also come later or get added in the female MC's route in P3P. Hermit was good though and at least that one came early.
>>341880643
nah dog, it's you.
>>341881579
You can s-link P3 girls and Junpei and Akihiko have plenty of their own personal issues come up and affect the main story.
It just had more going on all the time than P4 for me personally, the latter became a haze of trips to Junes and having the girls cook for you at your house. It's school trip was just the one memorable scene at P3's club.
I'll just be happy if they end up recycling the assets and giving us an HD SMT game.
>>341882479
but how are they gonna top Apocalypse
>>341882538
The same way they topped SMT2.
