At least they fixed the frame pacing problem
>>341860853
Frame pacing issues don't exist on PC and that was a PC demo.
>>341861215
>Frame pacing issues don't exist on PC
>>341861215
I wish that were true.
Now they just need to fix the shit game problem.
>>341861215
The Witcher 3 says hello
>>341861215
>PC master race reddit lord shitters actually believe this
>>341862065
Fucking this.
>>341861215
That was an Xbone demo.
>>341861657
Which doesn't exist.
>>341861406
fallout 4 is laughing at you
>>341861215
It's the XB1 version. https://youtu.be/NZnmCmAkN54
And you can see the PS4 showfloor version at constant 30FPS here https://youtu.be/xxeCgMr0rmw?t=335
>>341861215
At this point I'm sure you could pull some random grandmother off the street and even they'd be familiar with le epic PC mustard race meme.
This. Why is no one talking about this, it's fantastic, frame pacing has been a huge issue for the game for the last two years and they solved it.
>>341863037
Noice.
>>341860853
That live demo was so fucking frustrating.
PRESS X YOU CUNT!!!!
why didn't they just use pre recorded footage jesus
>>341863921
Or just get someone who knew how to play, like this >>341863862
That titan demo was fucking boring and turned me off to the game. I want to like this game, but what they showed off at E3 was underwhelming.
Will FF have HDR on Xbox?
Looks like a fun game, 1 hour of driving and walking with a bunch of edgy teenagers just to get to 1 boss.
>>341863862
even this looks stupid
>>341864094
Watch the second vid here >>341863037
It looks good when someone who knows how to play plays it. Mat played like shit on MS stage so it only looked boring because of that.
>>341864261
None of them are teenagers and using car to get around gets you places fast. Something that would take you 15 minutes to walk to from point A to B would take 30 seconds by car.
>>341864285
Nah, looks fast and engaging, and like someone who knows how to make good use of aerial combat and warp strikes.
>>341864397
It really doesn't look like 30 seconds when the car seems to be going at 50 km/h.
None of them are teenagers? Well, they sure look like 16.
>>341864505
FF XV is the death of FF
It's finally arrived at so many bad titles
>>341864485
>fast and engaging
it looks flashy and pointless
zero substance
>>341864505
>Well, they sure look like 16.
No they don't. Every character is older than 20.
And you can manually drive it which means you can control your speed, you can even see the speedometer, also you can fly it which goes even faster.
>>341863037
qte
qte
qte
holy shit
>>341864578
No it looks fast and engaging with good use of aerial combat combos and warp strikes. More substance to it's combat than any other FF had.
>>341864557
You mean saviour.
>>341864731
You can turn the prompts off.
>>341864728
>No they don't
yeah they do
only teenagers dress like that
>>341864728
third/forth/fifth look 13.
The second looks 17ish.
>>341864731
You can turn them off.
>>341864817
>No it looks fast and engaging with good use of aerial combat combos and warp strikes. More substance to it's combat than any other FF had
You're a funny guy XV-kun.
>>341864852
No they don't, since they are wearing literal expensive high end clothes that only an adult would be able to afford.
>>341864861
>Regis look 13
you wot m8
>>341864861
Are you really this fucking stupid?
>>341864969
>expensive clothes their parents bought them
FTFY
No fucking adult dresses like that.
>2000km2 seamless open world
>Dialogue choices and colloseum are back
>All party members have own skill tree
>Over 200 quests "main quest,minigame,regional quest,mobhunt"
>Huge and varied cities/towns
>There are many types weapons. "sword,greatsword,spear,dagger,firearm,machine,magic,royal weapon,shield"
>You can ride chocobo,car,airship,train,ship
Can we all agree XV will be greatest Final Fantasy ever made?
>>341864928
Oh look it's Pesmerga calling everyone XV-kun again.
>>341863861
Everyone was too busy shitting on Matt playing it fucking horribly, which to be fair was probably justified.
The PS4 vid shown in >>341863037 is a better look at it, there's also this one here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaCmM3KTPjk
>>341865109
Yes.
>>341865109
>that water
>>341864861
>wizened gray-haired man looks 13
Nigga, you just went full retard.
>>341865104
Nomura dresses like that. People from Shinjuku dress like that because that is where Roen is most popular.
>>341865109
>>341865246
samefag
>>341865327
Again, I'm talking about adults. Not retarded Nip manchildren.
>>341865342
Getting desperate there.
>>341865104
Fanboys are retarded but so are shitposters like you.
Them wearing all black was always the idea because they were supposed to look like a group of yakuza and also because of Lucis black/skull themes. Their original outfits were always placeholders.
Not to mention Insomnia was always supposed to modeled after Tokyo. Pair that with the yakuza theme and it makes sense that they dress like that.
Hate to break it to you, but in Japan, 20-something year olds find that shit fashionable. Their is no such thing as "emo" or "faggy" way of dressing in Japan unless someone is literally dressed as a woman.
>>341864817
>it looks fast and engaging
>no, it looks flashy and pointless
>no, it looks fast and engaging
Can't believe you responded to his criticism with the same response. The autism is real! More to the point, though - I've played both demos. The gameplay is unsatisfying. Combat is weightless and has no feedback. Type-0 got this right - Kingdom Hearts got this right - Nier 2 looks like it got this right - but XV looks like it's fucked up the combat significantly. Pressing triangle repeatedly to warp strike does not look engaging, that sounds about as exciting as pressing X to stomp everything with auto-attacks in FFXIII. I hope to hell that XV is at least better than XIII.
>>341865430
So again, adults.
>>341863862
You know what? It looks pretty bad, but I'll commend them for attempting and getting even moderately close to something that looks like a God of War battle that isn't scripted out the ass. Just getting the camera to work in this kind of situation must have driven the programmer in charge of it to the bottle.
>>341865467
>almost 2 minutes just to edit this
lmao
>>341865467
>>341865568
>posting someone paid to model those shitty clothes
nice try
>>341865109
The only thing I'm a little disappointed about is that there aren't a huge amount of summons/Astrals, but I kind of expected that.
Looking a lot like the remaining summons will be Ifrit (probably lives in the volcano you can see in more recent field footage), Shiva (probably the culprit for the blizzard train cutscene shown last year) and Bahamut (dragon-looking dude in the centre-left of the mural).
>>341865263
I would imagine that's the camera angle? I didn't watch any of their e3 but in episode duscae the water looked fine
>>341863862
It looks impressive but I'm not really a fan of hp sponges
>>341864578
Somebody didn't play ZoE2
>>341865109
>2000km2 seamless empty open world
FTFY
>>341865430
Why are you in a Final Fantasy thread? Final Fantasy has always had retarded outfits that people like you would consider "faggy" so why are you even here?
>>341865717
... it's an rpg
>>341865510
>The autism is real!
Says the autist.
> I've played both demos
And so have I and the gameplay is satisfying, the combat feels weighted with feedback, and all the new footage we've seen shows increased levels of response and feedback for individual hits. Warp strike is extremely useful both as an attack method, traversal method and evasive method all which you have to use in differnet situations by reacitng in real time. FF13 is nothing even remotely close to anything like that because it autoinputs commands. You have manual control in XV.
>>341865801
I'm here to make fun of the characters /fa/ faggoty
>>341864728
Luna looks so out of place, it's not even funny.
>>341863862
Definitely not Mat playing.
>>341865683
Not seeing the problem.
>>341865636
Obviously meant sixth, but I know your autism doesn't allow your brain to perform such advanced tasks.
>>341865140
Confirmed XV-kun.
How do you manage to be in every single thread?
>>341865695
Diablos and Fenrir are also hinted at.
>>341866015
he just made this one the instant the old one died
>>341865841
Are those the same fucking dogs from episode duscae? Is the enemy variety going to be that bad? I already hated them by the time I got to behemoth.
This is the first clip that makes me not want to play it
>>341865484
It makes them look like edgy teenagers. The emo hairstyles don't help either.
>>341865695
The summons have an integral story role and personalities now, so the lower number is unsurprising. They're not just extra attacks here.
>>341865913
Stella looked even more doll like.
>>341866045
I was hoping for alexander after watching him fuck up shit in type 0
>>341866015
Pesmerga why are you so autistic?
>>341865834
yeah and its an action game
hp sponges refers to big bosses with lots of health that don't flinch or stagger and just take the hits
there have been plenty of action games that have done big bosses better rather than relying on the sponge method
>>341866140
Did I say anything about a doll? You're like a Republican with your buzzworded talking points.
>>341866079
That clip takes place only a short distance away from Duscae, so why wouldn't you meet them?
>>341863862
Having not played any of the demos.
This looks like it plays like an action game.
Is that right?
Or is it still command entering and watching action afterward?
>>341860853
>framerate fixed
>combat fixed
>game all in all looks awesome
>yet they still fucked it up by making the worst trailer of the game to date and letting that fat shithead playing it live on stage
SE's whole PR department and whoever makes trailer cuts at BD2 should be fired.
>>341866297
It's been an action game since 2006.
>>341865683
You do know they hired an actual fashion designer to design the clothes for the FF15 characters, right?
For a time you could even buy the clothes (you might still be able to). But they cost like $2000+ just for one costume.
>>341866297
It's an action RPG, so you have direct control but still have to level up, unlock skills, synthesize spells and so on.
>>341865952
I think that's a nice fucking suit and would totally rock it if it wasn't over $3k.
>>341864861
>>341865996
This guy has legitimate autism.
Being completely unable to distinguish human features, like age, is a very strong autistic trait.
>>341865996
You're obviously an idiot, but your stupidity doesn't give you enough self-awareness to realize it.
>>341866421
>You do know ______________________ right?
Hi XV-kun.
>>341865996
accept your rekage, bud.
>>341865905
>shitposter admits to shitposting
>that's just how bad things on /v/ have gotten
and that's why /v/ can't have nice things
>>341866421
I don't care.
>>341866332
The North American PR for this game has been fucking atrocious. The Afrojack trailer would've been a god damn joke if we didn't get that shot of the party in Kingsglaive outfits and Mat almost murdered the game's hype with the stage demo.
Don't get me started on Uncovered. I'm a UKfag who stayed up for 3am for that shit, and I've never wanted to strangle someone more than I did Greg Miller that night.
>>341866518
Ahh, you must be new around here because we actually had plenty of threads about it back in the day when this news was announced.
You'd have known that if you weren't a fucking newfag.
>>341865841
>Says the autist.
OH, COME ON. SERIOUSLY?
I know there's no arguing with you either way; you're totally integrated into the FFanboy hivemind. But I'm being straight with you, not being a dick for no reason - I've not felt this uncertain about a game since the demo of Dragon Age 2, which turned out just as it seemed. I was burnt once by FF13 and that's enough to make me cautious of this, especially having been let down by both demos thus far and having seen that the gameplay completely pales in comparison to other action games, RPG or no. The combat is an integral part of an action RPG and it just didn't seem to cut it for me.
>>341866419
>>341866441
Thanks.
>>341865924
>tfw poor Mat is probably getting reamed day and night now for his spaghetti
>>341866487
>>341866484
I wasn't even shitting the game itself, I was shitting on the filler world that will take most of the time, something like mad max where you have a huge world full of the same grinding bullshit. I obviously meant sixth, not fifth.
I know you ponies have a real hard time understanding criticism, and if you are having too many life issues and you have to take it on random people online, maybe you should commit sudoku.
>>341866571
how is pointing something out shitposting
>>341866082
Again, the concept of "emo" and "edgy" don't exist in Japan. Even the pretty boy hairstyles are considered just that, attractive and fashionable.
>>341866657
He should. He works as a salesman for fucking video games. He should be good at them. It's not even fucking hard. It's not like someone's asking him to fucking dunk.
>>341866421
thats the problem; someone got paid for those fucking designs
>>341866736
Can't criticise their game breh. After all, they only get 1 game per year.
>>341866782
>in japan
Are we in japan? Does e3 take place in japan?
>>341866652
theres no pointing replying to xv-kun
![FINAL FANTASY XV Live Stage Presentation - E3 Day 1.mp4_snapshot_00.45.43_[2016.06.19_00.33.53].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iCIIF1g.jpg "FINAL FANTASY XV Live Stage Presentation - E3 Day 1.mp4_snapshot_00.45.43_[2016.06.19_00.33.53].jpg")
>>341866079
Duscae and Leide are both near each other early in the game. Leide has a bunch of deserty monsters like scorpions, wolves, rhinos and scavenger birds
>>341866652
Not him, but I was with you on the same boat - the gameplay felt bad in both demos, but seeing gamespot footage it's clear that they finally nailed it.
>proper hitstops
>proper enemies' feedback from each attack
>ravage attacks vary from weapon to weapon and don't loop infinitely, leading into finisher after certain amount of hits
>weapon dismissing animation is quick and fluid
I now finally convinced that they know what they're doing.
I wonder if the inclusion of wait mode for turn-based shitters finally allowed them to go all out with the combat.
Guys, even if FF15 is shit, FF16 may still be good. Right?
>>341866618
The Uncovered event worked out pretty well, though.
http://www.dualshockers.com/2016/06/09/1-2-million-gamers-watched-final-fantasy-xvs-release-date-event/
>>341866212
I know what an hp sponge refers to, but it's like you've never played a ff game before.
Even with your stance of it being an action game that's still silly. Tons of bosses in games are technically hp sponges by your definition. They just have a gimmick attatched to the fight.
Genuinely curious as to what games you think of with great bosses that don't feature an increased health pool?
Also, it's an iron giant. Would be weird if it flinched. And I have great nostalgia for tackling ruby weapon back in the day.
>>341866850
Yeah, I know. I'm being a moron just for responding. But it just grates that someone could be so fucking blind.
>>341866140
>doll like
More like "generic anime girl #24".
Now she's just "generic white girl #25" complete with derpy eye spacing so now she looks like a fish too.
>>341865996
It's okay you have autism buddy.
>>341860853
>main character can teleport
>giant titan fight
>can't teleport to its head
>only part you can attack is the fist
>titan doesn't even move
>dies by losing only one arm
>>341866976
>>dies by losing only one arm
That's not the whole fight, dummy.
>>341866883
that sounds and looks boring as hell
>>341866274
I just don't want them to be the only enemy
>>341866332
The Sony trailer was good, got some nice shots, although I would have picked a different song.
The MS showing was fucked, should have got someone good to play it.
>>341866618
Yea, I was really "meh" about the afrojack trailer but the end with the bros in those new outfits in Insomnia was hype as fuck.
>>341866913
We're not in the same boat if you've been convinced by nothing but video footage. We'll see in due time, anyway - I'm a total retard that'll buy the game regardless since I've bought and completed every Final Fantasy game before it, it's more a matter of whether I buy it on release or wait for it to hit the bargain bin.I'm fucking hyped for Nier Automata, though. Utter perfection
>>341866824
Roen designed the Lucis character costumes, not the Niflheim ones. That guy is from Niflheim and looks liek a straight up badass final fantasy grumpy pope dude.
>>341867150
We cosmic horrors now.
>>341866652
Which was worse. DA2 or ffxiii
I can't decide. The hype for both was ungodly high. So was the let down.
I'm leaning towards xiii being worse. If you wasted your life playing both, at least da was over faster
>>341866846
>are we in Japan
No, but considering I just fucking said the place where these characters are from is literally fucking modeled after Japan
You know what, fuck it. You're just a shitposter. Go fuck yourself.
>>341866652
You just said it felt unresponsive and no feedback, I just showed you clips from the most recent showing of the game showing each individual hit having feedback on the enemy which is an improvement since the previous demos. You are wrong.
>>341867263
Sweet. So bloodborne x ff when?
>>341866950
>would be weird if it flinched
I see you what you mean, its a Goliath of an enemy so it would make sense for it to don't react to small attacks
games that I love that have big bosses done right are devil may cry, resident evil 4, and shadow of the colossus
In those games, I can see when I actually do stuff that its effective, which motivates encourages me thinking I could take down a huge enemy
this clip kinda seemed like "whatever just attack him or something"
>>341866846
XV main cast are from a city based on Shinjuku and they are wearing clothes designed by a real world expensive Shinjuku fashion designer.
>>341861406
>>341861483
>>341862065
>>341862186
>>341863771
Only on poor hardware.
>>341866976
They already said that was mocked up like that just for the E3 demo and that the full fight in the final game is much longer with more going on and different things happening.
>>341867150
The setpieces in this game are going to be so hype. Too few RPGs know how to do them.
>>341861215
This is bait. Why are people replying?
>>341867432
All of those feature sponges though? Possible exception being the colossus but that's really a semantics argument.
So, seems more like you actually want battle damage/boss phases? In which case, maybe watch the vid. I haven't, but apparently according to >>341866976 his arm falls off anyway. I don't know if it changes the battle or not though.
>>341867545
Or in a poorly made game, dingus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK2BUeYqLVI
>>341861215
>Frame pacing issues don't exist on PC
Say that to Quantum Break on PC.
>>341867269
XIII was worse, by far. It made me legitimately angry. Hours of nothing but running down straight corridors, mashing X to win battles and watching a cutscene, on repeat. I bought the special edition of XIII on release and threw it back in the box after three hours of play. Came back to it about 5 years later when my standards had dropped, put up with the 20 hour tutorial and found it to be okay. I ended up getting DA2 for free not long after release - it was a letdown, but not as gigantic as that of XIII.
>>341867353
We'll see. Gameplay footage can be heavily curated to make it look better than it is. I doubt the game's still undergoing changes this close to release - I work in the industry and know how long this shit takes - and it honestly would be of concern if they still were.
>>341867035
No it don't and I don' see people complaining about older FFs which looked even more plain than anything we've seen from XVs terrain.
>>341866680
If you write short, poorly thought-out shitposts, expect the same in kind.
>>341867509
Well the clothes look stupid.
>>341867958
I'm not sure if you can entirely blame the devs for that though.
>guys! A lot of blowback from w10 upgrades! I know, let's last second port our elusives over!
>>341867263
Just before the explosion you can see it. I think it's one of those three headed flying things in the red area.
>>341868276
Good thing you can change them. Pic related and >>341865952 are both in the game, for example.
>>341867997
>Gameplay footage can be heavily curated to make it look better than it is
That was footage that Gamespot recorded during their playthrough, not footage that SE did.
>>341868416
Yeah, looks like it.
>>341867862
Sorry, I'm terrible at wording my sentences and getting my point across
I didn't mean that some sponges can be done right, I was trying to say there were ways to make huge bosses and have them not be sponges
I like doing things that show what I;m doing is effective in the fight
I don't like constantly attacking just waiting for the battle to end
I saw the video, and I guess it's not too bad but I'm still on the fence about it
>>341868276
They have alternate outfits and Noctis goes full Yakuza mode later on.
>>341865109
>2000 km2 of empty flat surface
>over 200 fetch quests
>2 cities one of them isn't even explorable
>>341868692
>his group goes full Kingsglaive
Nice. Wonder how they reformed it.
>>341868276
You're not wrong.
>Noctis
>those capris with those boots
>Gladio
>can't afford a fucking shirt
>Prompto
>literally everything
>four different patterns
>three different layers of clothing on top
>that plaid shirt is longer than his vest
>those hideous leopard print pants
Ignis is the only one that is dressed remotely decent.
>>341868697
Insomnia is explorable and gameplay was confiremd yesterday to be in Insomnia, it's just as a battlefield so you are fighitng monsters and enemies in the city instead going to shops. Stop arguing semantics. And we/ve already seen Lestallum, Tenebrae, Altissia, Galdin Quay and other cities/towns and know that Niflheim and Solheim are other large cities.
They aren't fetch quests and Gameinformer confirmed that, they are the main story quest, monster hunt quests like in FF12, minigame quests and regional sidequests.
>empty flat
You can literally just see >>341867150 of them in Insomnia or see the Altissia or Lestallum footage, it isn't empty at all.
>>341867263
We matrix sequels now
>>341868692
I wonder if that is the same Roen suit? The coattail part looks the same, but until we see the full thing it's hard to say.
Someone also mentioned that it appears that Noctis slicked back his hair much like the old Regis design.
>>341868976
I would be extremely surprised if it's not due to Noctis becoming king and electing his friends as his glaive.
>>341869031
Noctis is wearing military coat, military cropped cargoes, military combat boots, arm guard and an undershirt. The official clothes website confirms it is military style.
Gladio who is miliary dresses like macho military men, by the way Lucis military wear black.
Prompto is just a peasant and he dresses like a punk
>>341869169
It is, Tabata confirmed sometime last year that the Roen suit from the Versus trailers is still in the game, as is all the clothes Roen designed for the game, including some we haven't seen before.
>>341860853
that game looks so shit
the boss fight is so anti climatic, you dont even see him as he just flings his arms around sometimes hitting you
>>341868976
>>341869185
>you are only now realizing they replaced the badass yakuza theme with generic medieval inspired kingslaive shit
I admit, it looks kinda cool, but if they literally scrapped yakuza stuff for this shit.... I just would've preferred yakuza if given the choice.
>>341869415
Nah, see the second vid here>>341863037
That also isn't the whole fight, the demo just ends it when you break his arm but they confirmed that in the full game there is more to the fight and more happens after that.
Seriously you think Titan isn't going to go all out? There is Niflheim airships shooting shit at him too so he'd probably try and destroy those too.
>>341869273
Prompto was originally supposed to be a playboy who was a bad influence on Noctis, so it makes sense that he dresses like a punk with a prettyboy hairstyle. His old hairstyle anyway. His new one just looks like some typical Final Fantasy retardation.
>>341869486
They didn't scrap it, Noctis goes full on Yakuza and also Regis still has his mob boss suit too. The kingsglaive stuff doesn't even look medievil, it looks modernish military style.
>>341869842
He is a playboy and bad influence on Noctis though, that only happens when they are in highschool after Prompto gets skinny and they become actual friends.
>His new one just looks like some typical Final Fantasy retardation.
He just swooped it up with a slight pompadour style, which actually suits his bad boy thing all the more.
>>341860853
The game looks so good in the trailers but the Platinum Demo and this have really put me off on XV.
I have a feeling I'm going to be looking for something other than combat to praise when I buy it
>>341869913
Yea, but I'm not just talking about looks wise either. The theme was that they OPERATED similar to a band of yakuza brothers and he obviously would become their boss.
Now it's just "huehue muh kingsglaive who are basically like knights instead of yakuza bros"
>>341870228
There is multiple combat modes.
>>341870228
>Its gonna be bad
>I'll still buy it
Why?
>>341870228
>Game isn't at 60+fps
>Spergs think this is a valid reason not to get an otherwise enjoyable game
End yourself
>>341870519
Are you feeling okay anon?
>>341870443
I said the combat looks and feels bad. A game can have more than combat and be good, retard
>>341870519
Now when the fuck did I say this? Call me a sperg but end up doing it yourself. You first
>>341870328
No the theme was that their relationship was in the hierarchy similar to yakzua with the kyodai and shatei relationship structure, which is big brother little brother structure that is still obviously there with Noctis and co. Not that they acted like Yakuza and dealt in organized crime.
Lucis itself was always a monarchy though with princes, kings, royalty, royal guards, etc.
>>341870157
I dunno, his old hairstyle actually looked like he dyed and styled it that way, similar to a hostboy/prettyboy/delinquent.
His new hairstyle looks less realistic and more like it just "happens" to look like that when he wakes up much like a lot of retarded hairstyles in old FF titles.
>he is still playboy/bad influence on Noctis
That remains to be seen. They've made him so pure and meek that I find it hard to believe he'd be an influence on anyone. I also find it hard to believe he'd be a skirt chaser now. He ogles Cidney, but they said that's because he legit likes her, so that might not be a regular thing he does to women.
>>341863862
People are hyped for that? Jesus.
>>341860853
I'm really impressed that they were able to make it run at a solid 30 frames. That demo made me think we were getting a consistent 15 frames or something.
>>341870519
why does it affect you that people have higher standards than you anon ?
>>341867545
And any poorly made game.
>>341870684
That's basically what I meant/said. It's true that they probably didn't deal with crime, but it was still said that the royal family/circle operated similar to yakuza, not just Noctis and his buds.
The idea of a generic medieval inspired kingdom just because the words "king" and "prince" were there was never a thing.
>>341870790
In the top render it looks unusually yellow more than it ever is anywhere else, in the bottom render it's the same shade of blonde on both. And his characterization hasn't changed since the 2013 info we got. Ofuji even said something like episode 2 was made based on the original backstory of Prompto. So it was always the case where he was fat and meek at first, then shapes up and starts being a flirty skirt chaser and bad influence.
>>341871123
>Stop talking positively about stuff that I don't like
>>341870973
It's encouraging to know that they aren't lying when they say they're optimising it all the time; I half expected them to just halfass it and put it out in the state PD was in. It's not perfect by any means, but it's still very impressive for a multiplatform open-world title.
>>341871123
> this is the worst backstory I've ever seen for game character
Ebin bait
>>341870790
Bad influence doesn't necessarily mean "do drugs and shoot heroin". As Duscae, Brotherhood etc. showed, he's a distraction and danger to Noctis. Being with that average pleb fucks up Noct's focus and having a soft-hearted friend is not exactly a good thing for him, because he has to wage a war and sacrifice people.
>>341871283
It really goes to show that if you give people the time you can really optimize a game to run well on any hardware. Good on those devs because that must've been a fucking challenge.
>>341871123
For the record, the "i don't like clothes/hairstyle" comments have always been retarded because they act like it's a legitimate complaint or that the devs purposely wanted them to look like faggots when in reality they were always given legit reasons for dressing the way they do paired with the fact that Japan just doesn't see fashion the same way the west does.
>>341870790
As >>341871370 is saying, Prompto is just a different kind of bad influence; he wasn't raised as/within royality like the rest of the gang were, he's just a regular guy who wants to have fun, which wouldn't be seen as a particularly helpful attitude to a future king.
>>341871172
No, Nomura only said that Noctis, Ignis, Gladio and Prompto have a hierarchy of shatei and kyodai among them, he said nothing about Lucis organization acting like Yakuza one.
>The idea of a generic medieval inspired kingdom just because the words "king" and "prince" were there was never a thing.
Wrong, and nothing about Lucis is generic medievil. Lucis has always been a kingdom that was a mix of modern and classical medievil, always since the first trailer back in 2006, since the first time we saw Regis in 2008 and every time we've ever seen it. The architecture around the kingdom is using classical gothic style mixed with the Shinjuku modern aesthetic, the kingdom itself uses the crystals magic and they use magical swords and bladed weapons as their primary offensive capabilities while they wear modern clothes and live in modern society.
Even with the redesigns they are wearing nothing that actually looks medieval in style or would fit in medieval times, Regis still wears a modern suit under his robes and has a fancy sleek metalic shoulder pauldron, and he also still wears his other regular outfit of just his suit which is the same suit we've seen him wearing since 2011 Versus.
Nomura never said anything about Regis being yakuza style.
SQE trying to release for the old consoles instead of waiting for the new and improved ones is going to kill this game. Visual fidelity, amount of objects and NPCs on the screen, size of the world, loading times and LOD switching (aka. "next-gen pop-in") will make it a wholly medicore experience. A shame really - could've been an impressive Final Fantasy after all the medicore ones.
>>341871370
I didn't mean that he did drugs, just that he seemed like the type of guy that would get Noctis into trouble/mischief and try to introduce him to girls and shit. He also seemed more competent and confident.
Now he's just "oh i'm sorry for existing, pls be my friend" "woops i almost dropped my gun again so i'm such an incompetent tryhard"
>>341871172
this though. Versus had this dark urban fantasy city-state run by a yakuza-like kingdom thing going on now it's all generic adventures and medieval shit. totally not what interested me in the first place.
>>341871859
But he is the guy who is getting Noctis into trouble and mischief, and he is the one that is chatting up girls.
>>341871770
I would imagine that they maybe were made aware of the new consoles some time in 2015, at which point they were probably too deep in development to consider delaying from their projected release date in order to work on another 2 versions of the game.
>>341871916
>Versus had this dark urban fantasy city-state
So just like XV still has.
> run by a yakuza-like kingdom
So ignoring the fact that Regis still wears that same outfit and the other men in his entourage also still wearing suits too.
>now it's all generic adventures and medieval shit.
No it isn't and no it isn't. It was always about a roadtrip with bros.
Also never mind that Noctis goes full yakuza when he becomes king, keep spouting shit about things you have no idea about.
>>341871650
>>341871370
To add, Noctis himself is much more hard-hearted, just like most of his aristocratic caste. In the Gamespot gameplay he has a convo about Niflheim where he says "They are going to wish they still had a treaty to protect them". He's no sociopath, but he knows what war means. Prompto, being a civilian, doesn't and has trouble understanding this mentality.
>>341871752
>it's not medieval
>but it's medieval
lol
and the magical shit was always there yes, but that's just Final Fantasy, not generic fantasy in general.
and I never said it was only yakuza inspired, just clearly and heavily influenced.
>Nomura never said Regis was yakuza
That's why he used to look like a fucking yakuza and only wore a suit right? Now he has armor type shit that is obviously supposed to pander to the generic idea of what a king should look like.
>>341870684
>>341871172
The idea was that a modern monarchy would be run essentially like a mafia. Fealty is just protection money, knights are just enforcers, etc. If a king dresses to project his power, an expensive suit stands in nicely for a crown and cape. The Yakuza meeting in Kill Bill and the meeting room scene in the early trailers were similar for a reason. It was a fresh take on the concept that made sense. By bringing back in visual markers of a traditional western court, you ruin the interesting parallels that were being drawn.
>>341871859
>he seemed like the type of guy that would get Noctis into trouble/mischief
That's what happened in Duscae. He decided to drag Noctis out for a quest, Noctis thought it was retarded and pointless, but went along to humor him. As a result, they nearly got killed by a Catoblepas. Noctis dismissed Promto's guilt about it ("No point crying over spilt mushrooms"), but endangering him for nothing is the very definition of bad influence.
>>341872167
how much do you get paid for this? serious question. XV looks way less interesting compared to Versus and nothing you say can change that. the more I hear and see of XV the more I wish Versus was just cancelled instead of being retooled into this shit.
>>341872691
He does it for free the absolute mad man
>>341860853
>2.8 Aqua demo has better gameplay than this
Leaving turn based was a mistake.
>>341872394
I said it's not generic medieval because there is nothing generic medieval about it. It's a blend of modern and classical medievil like fantasy with a stronger emphasis on the modern aspects.
>not generic fantasy in general.
Why are you so wrong?
The entire point is that you have a modern kingdom who uses classical magic and swords fighting against a medieval empire who uses modern mechs and guns.
>That's why he used to look like a fucking yakuza and only wore a suit right?
He looked Mafia more than he ever looked Yakuza, and even then he still has that same exact fucking suit.
> Now he has armor type shit
Are you fucking retarded or something? How many times does it need to be told to you that that cloak is a ceremonial cloak that the king of Lucis wears on ceremony, which is why we see him wearing it? Even in reality in modern day the modern royal family who's men all wear suits also wear long robes on ceremony.
>>341872394
>what are ceremonial cloaks
He wears a formal suit under the cloak.
>>341872691
After my post above got deleted, I'm wondering if it's a mod.
In fact, combining the way higher amount of shilling that's been going on with the sudden, intermittent banning of my cell phone's IP range (NOT me getting banned, but for whatever reason the range of IP addresses that my service provider switches to on occasion being blocked due to some previous user's activities, ostensibly) I'm starting to wonder if Nishimura isn't pulling some of his 2chan monetization shenanigans.
>>341872167
>keep spouting shit you have no idea about
So you've played the game theh? Nice hot opinions shill.
I don't even want this game to bomb, but when the devs have admitted to changing shit and have said it's a different game now, you just look like delusional XV-kun insisting everything is exactly the same.
If people notice that it's different and point that out, that's legitimate. If they are saying that they personally came for that and are understandably upset that it's not what they are getting, that's legit.
Now, if they are saying this game will be shit because of their personal prefs, that's shitposting.
You're allowed to disagree with opinions and like the new designs, but going "oh no you're wrong for not liking that's it's different because I say it's not even though it obviously is" is just retarded.
>>341869697
>that summon
Jesus Christ it's like you play a regular FF until those monsters enter the show and would deal so much damage you'd be able to see it from the mini-map.
>>341872631
Actually no, the point was that Lucis and Niflheim were opposites of each other.
Lucis = modern society and kingdom
Niflheim = medievil society and empire
Lucis = uses crystal magic and swords, bladed weapons, classical medieval fantasy style.
Niflheim = uses Magitek mechs, guns, airships and technology in their arsenal
Lucis = dresses modern with slight medieval touch
Niflheim = dresses medieval with slight modern touch
Lucis = wears black
Niflheim = wears white
>>341872691
No it doesn't, XV looks better than Versus ever did. Why do you act like because people disrupt your shitty reasoning that they must be paid shills? Fuck off turbo faggot. None of your arguments have ever made sense and you base your shit entirely on misinformation and shit that was never even there in the first place.
>>341860853
Now they just need to fix the fact that commands feel unresponsive and give very little feedback when you attack.
That and why the fuck is a game set in such a bright location so fucking dark?
Look at >>341863862
All those blacks against dark browns creating a muddy, unclear mess. This shit gives me a headache.
It was like that in the last demo too.
Versus just looked like an edgy Kingdom Hearts.
Even Noctis look better now.
>>341873450
>shit that was never even there in the first place
itbegins.exe
>>341873290
>Lucis = dresses slightly medieval
Literally nowhere was that shown until it got reworked into XV.
They all wore suits or expensive tokyo fashion.
Do people still play those boy band edgy teenager weebshit rpgs?
>>341873290
This post and my post aren't mutually exclusive. If the point is to have a fantasy-tinged modern society, you can't make people wear medieval robes and haircuts. The difference should be like the difference between now and the 1980s, where the clothes and buildings and whatnot are all the same but we're walking around with our magic laptops and cellphones. When you want to draw a parallel between some fantastical concept and the modern, mundane world, you have to change as little about the latter as possible.
>>341873196
Oh more shill posts huh?
>have said it's a different game now
In name only NeithOF. How many fucking times does this need to be said to you?
>If people notice that it's different and point that out, that's legitimate.
Games change all the fucking time you dumb cunt, FF7 was overhauled multiple times but no one for a second says that the original concept for FF7 is a different game to the final produce, even though they are barely anything alike. Meanwhile Versus and XV are near identical and the only actual story changes made are Stella's role changed into Luna's role, and that having only changed the intro of the story from what we know of the story, Every other thing about the game story and world is still the same as it was since Versus, same with who the characters are, their relationships, the themes of the game being bonds, brotherhood etc, the main thrust of the story, it being action RPG.
You are just shitposting for the sake of shitposting, Regis is not any less "mob boss" now than he was before, because I don't know how many times it needs to be stated but he's wearing the same exact fucking suit he has been since the 2011 Versus trailer. Him sometimes wearing other ceremony cloak on a ceremony does not somehow change that. You're reasoning is flawed and I'm calling out your reasoning, stop acting surprised when people point out the wholes in your flawed reasoning.
>>341873803
Not him, but a ton of shit that people claim that Versus had literally never existed. The whole "Shakespearean star/crossed lovers" angle, for example? Denied in the very first interview ever made. Dark urban gothic aesthetic? Nope, you were supposed to leave Insomnia and then go on a road trip into a far less modern world. And there are numerous examples like this.
>>341873851
Medieval touch is seen more in their weapony and in them holding their weapons like knights did, you can see in the old Regis sitting at the table thing that some of his men are holding their weapons like that.
>>341873503
See more responsive combat in the webm here >>341865841
>>341873851
Their dislike towards guns and modern military technology indicated a highly traditionalist society in some ways.
>>341865841
Looks smooth flowing but won't know until I play it if that kind of action is a result of hammering the buttons with the attack timings bearing no resemblance to when they were pressed.
>>341860853
>30 fps
fuk off
>>341874330
None of this is true, though. The Shakespeare angle was evident from the fact that the very first thing to present itself about the game was a Shakespeare quote. Noctis and Stella weren't supposed to be lovers, but they were certainly star-crossed (literally so: their troubles came from the light of the dead).
The second thing we see is "dark urban gothic". No one ever said that it was the whole game, but everything up until the reboot - including the main character's goddamn name - suggested that VsXIII was concerned with some fairly dark subject matter.
I wish people would stop shilling for the marketing dept. A lot of what's been said since 2013 has been to cover SE's asses and to calm their investors who think that the 1st Production Department can't put any games out without a huge amount of drama and mismanagement (which is true)
>Don't believe Tabata's lies! Director Nomura lives!
>>341875453
Catherine has Shakespearean quotes everywhere and yet it's a fairly generic anime game.
>VsXIII was concerned with some fairly dark subject matter.
So is XV. The marketing promo they sent to the retailers calls it "darker, real world tinge to the long-running series". Moreover, Tabata has always liked gritty stuff, while Nomuras' games tend to run on the Power of Friendship where nobody ever dies for real. I don't get why people expected Nomura of all people to deliver moral complexity.
>>341860853
Last decent FF was IX, franchise is long dead to anyone with decent taste
>>341861406
neither does ff xv for pc
>>341875453
Why are you so full of shit? There was never a shakespeare angle. The first trailer used a quote from Hamlet which was nothing more than a quote saying "there is nothing good or bad but thinking makes it so", which has nothing to do with anything we ever saw in Versus.
>, but they were certainly star-crossed
Which has nothing to do with Shakespeare, and Noctis and Luna both share an even stronger connection than Noctis and Stella ever did.
> No one ever said that it was the whole game
Bullfuck, I see people spout this shit all the time.
>suggested that VsXIII was concerned with some fairly dark subject matter.
And how isn't it still, if not darker now?
You know what the "darkest" thing we ever saw in Versus was? Noctis stabbing a soldier, which is something we've seen in countless XV trailers. You know what actual darker themes in XV we've seen that we never saw in Versus? Child abuse, actual death and destruction of an entire city.
Also Noctis's name hasn't changed so what the fuck is your point with this? The plague of the stars that will eventually destroy the world and bring in a perpetual night until the world falls to ruin isn't dark? Luna being abused as a child by a grown man soldier during a time of war with her kingdom being completely occupied isn't dark? The fuck?
I wish you faggots would actually get a fucking clue, stop spouting your retarded fanfic of what you thought Versus was and confusing it for what it actually was.
Fucking NeithOF you lying cunt.
>>341876327
>because another game did it, it was going to be the same
You're not even trying.
>i don't know why people expected Nomura to deliver moral complexity
Maybe because in the original trailer, he had Noctis literally slaughtering people and now those people have been turned into robots to avoid making little kids cry at the sight of blood?
Maybe because Nomura did an interview with a guy who literally said the game was so sad people would cry and that it dealt with harsh realities. So much so that Nomura had to backpedal and convince people it wasn't all sad so they would actually play it?
>>341875453
>everything up until the reboot -including the main character's goddamn name - suggested that VsXIII was concerned with some fairly dark subject matter.
What about the reboot suggests that any of that has changed other than parts of the story being changed/removed? It's not like we know how much of VsXIII's story was going to be dark compared to XV. Even disregarding what got changed, Type-0 was pretty dark for an FF game so there's no reason why this can't be even darker than VsXIII might've been.
>>341870826
The E3 demo was some cringeworthy shit to watch. They showed that shitty titan battle, except it was badly played and the guy mostly stood around getting hit again and again, sometimes doing a few attacks that don't have an ounce of satisfying feedback (at least give me a real loud cutting sound, goddamn).
You have to admit that solid 30 is impressive running on a ps4. I know it shouldn't be but it is.
>>341860853
Who the fuck cares about framerate when the gameplay looks like fucking garbage? Fucking PC fags never have their priorities right.
>>341876958
You can stop bullshitting already you faggot.
>and now those people have been turned into robots
You mean ever since the 2011 Versus trailer the Niflheim soldiers were robots, as they didn't bleed at all and they exploded just like the magitek soldiers do when they were defeated, that was also the first time we ever saw Magitek mechs in XV so clearly the Niflheim soldeirs being mechs was a thing that was already implemented in Versus since 2011.
Also good job ignoring how all the monsters in XV still bleed and Noctis and co all bleed too.
>Maybe because Nomura did an interview with a guy who literally said the game was so sad people would cry and that it dealt with harsh realities.
You mean how that same thing still applies 100% to XV? The harsh realities being the responsiblities that Noctis has to accept when he becomes king, that is why Cor is snapping at Noctis in the Uncovered trailer too.
> So much so that Nomura had to backpedal and convince people it wasn't all sad so they would actually play it?
Nigger he had to say that it was a brotherhood road trip because THAT IS WHAT IT WAS, he showed a 2 minute teaser for a single aspect of the concept and everyone of you chucklefucks thought that was the entire game, even though it wasn't.
You are literally talking out of your ass again NeithOF.
>>341877097
what about 1080p 60fps open world on consoles?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A49JZWpmu0
>>341860853
>fighting against an arm
I was waiting for him to warp to the titan's face the whole time. Boy was I disappointed.
>>341877475
>inb4 b-but mgsv looks like shit
>>341876958
>avoid making little kids cry at the sight of blood?
FFXV has blood in normal combat. Noctis himself bleeds if hit and gets bruises, scratches, burns, etc. All the things that Versus didn't have, by the way.
>Maybe because Nomura did an interview with a guy who literally said the game was so sad people would cry and that it dealt with harsh realities
So has Tabata. And unlike Nomura, he does have a history of going all GRRM on his characters.
Look, SE fucked up when they let it lie for so long that it allowed people to build years of headcanon for it. But objectively, XV is an expanded Versus.
>>341877475
The Fox engine is literal magic though.
>>341877475
MGSV is using PS3 quality models in the PS4 version which is why it can achieve higher framerates, XV models are multiple times higher poly.
>>341877540
It looks much better than FFXV
>>341876958
>the original trailer
That wasn't written with any particular story in mind.
>Maybe because Nomura did an interview with a guy who literally said the game was so sad people would cry
Tabata's said the same about XV too.
>>341865841
how does that prove that it is more responsive? The screenshake adds impact, no doubt, but if I'm not the one pressing buttons how the fuck will I know how responsive it is
Also if you have played the new demo and like the combat in that, then I can't believe anything else you say.
>>341861215
Only if you own a freesyn/gsync monitor
>>341877609
Tell that to XV fags
>>341863037
Yeah I knew it.
Changing who plays doesn't mean shit.
The flow of the battle is still the same.
Hopefully that's the only gargantuam boss.
>>341877630
Every single individual hit shows the enemy taking feedback, previously in ED enemies only sometimes reacted to individual hits and othertimes when you attacked it would hit them but they wouldn't react, but in that footage every single hit had a enemy being knocked back.
>>341877609
No it doesn't.
>>341876327
The marketing theme song changed from Somnus to Stand By Me. That says a lot, besides the stuff other people have pointed out. And while Tabata's Type-0 was superficially gritty at the beginning, the ending is straight out of a bad anime. I don't trust him for a second to deliver something good along the lines that sold this game originally.
>>341877793
Neat I like that a ton, but your definition of responsiveness is different from mine. You see, I meant responsiveness in "player control".
As in, when I press a button, how fast is the fucker to actually perform an action. Both demos felt horrendous and nothing but me playing it myself can prove that it is fixed.
Having some feedback from the enemies is incredible sweet though, and I feared we wouldn't get it.
I just think it's cool that they worked really hard to optimize the game run at a solid framerate.
>>341877568
It's not even the blood that's the issue, it's the idea of actually fighting and killing living soldiers and the morality surrounding it. I doubt Noctis is even going to kill the big bad the way the story looks now.
>>341877897
It absolutely does
>>341860853
>30 fps
They didn't fix anything.
>>341877998
No it didn't.
Somnus is the main theme, Stand by me is the theme song that is used only once in the game. Somnus is a main song used in an imporant way confirmed by Tabata and it has leitmotifs all throughout the OST like in the Dawn trailer music.
Somnus was the first song we even hear during the Uncovered FFXV event when Sakaguchi walks on stage and we hear it in multiple ATRs and in every demo title screen.
And Stand By Me fits entirely into the thematic elements of Versus which is still the same thematic elements of XV.
>>341877998
Somnus wasn't the marketing song; VersusXIII never reached the actual marketing phase. It's still the main musical theme of the game and supposedly "very important" story-wise.
>muh anime
Nigger, just look at the clusterfuck that is KH now. The whole thing is now beyond simply being a bad anime.
>>341878113
Well we havn't gotten to try the latest version yet but from what we can see combos look faster.
>>341876797
>Which has nothing to do with Shakespeare, and Noctis and Luna both share an even stronger connection than Noctis and Stella ever did.
That's not what "star-crossed" means. How can you judge whether something is aping Shakespeare if you don't know Shakespeare?
>Bullfuck, I see people spout this shit all the time.
The plural of anecdote is not...
>Noctis stabbing a soldier isn't
>actual death
?
>destruction of an entire city.
2011 trailer.
>The plague of the stars that will eventually destroy the world and bring in a perpetual night until the world falls to ruin isn't dark? Luna being abused as a child by a grown man soldier during a time of war with her kingdom being completely occupied isn't dark? The fuck?
This stuff has been about as confirmed as Noctis/Stella's rivalry and the nature of Stella's character. You can't eschew one while holding the other sacrosanct.
>I wish you faggots would actually get a fucking clue, stop spouting your retarded fanfic of what you thought Versus was and confusing it for what it actually was.
You don't have to keep torturing yourself, XV kun. You can just admit being wrong and then go away.
>>341878190
Letting characters slaughter their way through thousands of nameless mooks tends to create one hell of narrative dissonance, unless your character is written like a total sociopath, which Noctis, according to Nomura, absolutely wasn't. In the recent gameplay footage he casually says "they're going to wish they had a treaty to protect them" about his enemies, indicating that making peace is not his goal at all.
>>341878227
No it doesn't
>>341878309
>Somnus is the main theme
Tabata literally said it's Stand by me now
Tabata said that Stand by me lyrics aren't supposed to be taken literally and that the idea for it is basically like a prayer played in a church as a way of Noctis thanking his friends for being with him
So the main themesong of the game was changed from dark as fuck to "muh friendship" and you want to sit here and say XV is darker?
