What do you think about the idea of exclusives?
>>341835395
I don't see exclusives as anti-consumer like /v/ does.
I seem them as necessary.
The only people against exclusives are PC fats who want every game to come to them so they can pirate it.
>>341835395
Allows for companies to try out new things and break away from past norms because they have the money to do so, a la bloodborne.
Too bad it encourages consolewar threads and wojack shitposting, a la bloodborne.
>>341835395
I think they're good for the market and ideally they make companies work hard to put out the games people want to play.
all games should be made for PC and allow controller input, end of story. consoles are outdated pieces of shit because they hold back video game development and are basically just highly limited forms of computers. there is literally no reason consoles should even exist.
>>341835395
pure cancer, just like consoles in general
so its no surprise consolekiddies defend them
>>341835639
>ideally they make companies work hard to put out the games people want to play.
While in practice Microsoft just pays people money to make their games timed exclusives.
>>341835654
Consoles are how devs make money.
Not PC.
>>341835734
t. non-developer
They're the only reason to purchase a console.
Its fine if they're running unhindered.
Shit like bloodborne and the like, struggling to maintain 30fps is a disgrace.
If i was a dev i would be ashamed of seeing my work squandered.
>>341835395
>Monopolizing products
>Encouraging competition
>>341835395
If publishers honestly think they'll make more money getting paid for an exclusive than spending the cash to port it to other platforms, more power to them.
I think that economic argument is pretty much gone now though -- the consoles have normal CPUs now.
Now it's just a marketing thing, kind of like how "not available in your country" is code for "pirate this game."
>>341835773
More like someone who actually can grasp the real world.
Games sell far more and and for more on consoles than they do on PC.
Pc will always be an afterthought
>>341835512
>>341835529
>>341835639
good... good...
>>341835395
They are good for the market, and creating competition.
They are bad for the consumer.
>>341835512
>limiting your choices and forcing you to buy two consoles if you dont want to miss out on a certain game
>the only reason that exists is for the company to make money
>somehow good for the consumer
>>341835886
that's why consoles shouldn't exist. just make them all for PC and allow for controller input. it'll sell the same regardless, maybe more since you won't have to drop hundreds of dollars for a box that will be completely useless after a while and can't be upgraded or properly maintained.
>>341835937
Games wouldn't exist without funding.
So yes good for the consumer.
>>341835395
They make sense to sell consoles.
I don't like it because then I need another console for a different game instead of all games available for every console.
>>341836025
>Games wouldn't exist without funding.
Yet, somehow, games do exist without funding.
So no, bad for the consumer.
It's incredibly retarded that people find that exclusive games are "held hostage", they're not idiots, without the money of the company they wouldn't even exist.
PCFags literally prefer that a game wouldnt exist instead of buying the game for the console
>>341836189
>if you don't defend corporations you're /pol/
>>341836150
>PCFags literally prefer that a game wouldnt exist instead of buying the game for the console
You seem to have the idea that games only exist because Sony/Microst/Nintendo are paying them to make the game.
What about exclusive games on PC? PC isn't paying them to make that game, publishers are.
Publishers fun game development, not console companies.
And even then, games can be privately funded, either through a grant from the government, or just doing it for free.
We've gotta a lot of gems this past year alone from indies.
So again, games would exist without exclusives.
>>341835395
I don't have a problem with them. If I really want to play specific game I will take my time in finding the right price for the system, and then buy the game I want.
They also encourage me to be diverse with my setup. Always like trying new consoles out, too.
i've outgrown exclusives
>>341836291
it's 2016, just give them your fucking money, alright?
>>341836150
if it's not good enough to be optimized for PC it probably isn't very good in the first place. why do you think so many console games are just generic shooters and QTE movies? consoles were interesting at the start but they were overpriced garbage back then and they still are now. exclusives only exist because consoles exist, and consoles only exist because they sell, and they only sell because PCs aren't user-friendly enough. as we continue into a technological golden age, consoles will have absolutely no value once PCs are basically consoles with better functionality and better performance capabilities.
Judging by the shitposting after the Microsoft E3 conference, /v/ is a big fan of exclusives
>>341836293
You know that developers can choose to make games exclusive out of their own free will right?
Some people just want to make a game for a certain platform then pc niggers bully and harass those devs trying to get them to bend to pc fats will
Seems silly. Even from a business perspective, why wouldn't you want as many people as possible to buy your product.
>>341836431
>providing companies incentives to expand to bigger markets is considered bullying
>I only want to be able to choose between one console and get all my games on that
>Oh i don't like how this console does (x) but I guess I just have to put up with it...
>Oh that game wasn't made because the company doesn't have any reason to make it beyond just the game itself selling
>Boy I wish I lived in a world where Bloodborne existed
>>341836513
>demanding devs to cater to your will is acceptable
if a company wants to pay millions to make a game for their product let them do it
Exclusives are anti-consumer, anti-developer, anti-publisher, pro-megapublisher (Microsoft, Sony, etc.)
>>341836431
They never do it because they wake up one morning and think "I want to make a game on one console instead of all of them, and make less money!"
No, they got offered money to make that game exclusive.
But what does that have to do with all the other points I raised? You kind of just skipped it over and made shit up.
>>341835615
Blu-ray and HD-DVD exclusives were a thing.
>>341836657
>Square Enix chose to make Kingdom Hearts 2.8, World of Final fantasy, FF 12 HD and Nier Automata ps4 exclusive because Sony paid them
>not because that's where their games sell the best at
>you are this retarded
>People literally want less choices
>Less choices EVER being pro-consumer
Holy fuck weekend /v/
>>341836293
But the thing is that if sony or nintendo din't fund the developers to make those games they probably just wouldn't exist. Yes sure, games exist from other sources, but exclusive games that we have now just would not.
Bloodbourne or Bayonetta 2 for example.
>>341836701
Those are media formats which are exclusive to the players that could read them, not individual releases exclusive to specific brands of media players.
>>341835615
>no other industry works like this
Betamax and VHS actually battled out over exclusives in the early days and I'm pretty sure Blu-ray and HD-DVD did before the latter got completely crushed as well.
>>341836623
>demand in an economy is a bad thing
>>341835512
You don't think or poor peoples or kiddies, being limited in one gaming plateform created the console warrior babbies.
>exclusivity encourages competition
How can anyone not retarded possibly think this? Exclusivity is literally the exact opposite of competition.
>>341836907
Are you literally retarded?
>>341836482
>x amount of people buy your $60 product plus a $400 system to play it
vs.
>1.5x amount of people buy your $60 product
It ain't rocket science
>>341836907
>wanting to get the best titles on your platform is anti competition
>>341836567
>the head of sony came up with the idea of bloodborne
>not some guy who just happened to be employed by them, pitched the idea, and was given the go ahead
>in a world without exclusives it wouldn't have been possible for him to just think of the idea like normal, and make it with whatever team hes developing with
>>341836748
>not because that's where their games sell the best at
Their games probably do sell more on Sony, but what reason, in a business sense, would they have from not releasing it on all the other platforms? Even if they only accounted for half of the sales, thats %50 increase.
Its because they are offered money not to do it.
>>341836774
>if sony or nintendo din't fund the developers to make those games they probably just wouldn't exist
They absolutely would, they just wouldn't be funded directly by sony. Their developing company would more than likely contact a publisher, and you'd get the exact same game.
>>341835395
Its absolutely stupid for platforms like PS4/Xbone when both can run each others games fine
Depends on the game for PC and other platforms. I wouldnt want to see a series or game gimped for consoles and PC.
>>341836973
>but what reason, in a business sense, would they have from not releasing it on all the other platforms
Because they don't see the possible profit as enough of an incentive to put their games on another platform?
>>341836973
There's no reason to believe Bloodborne would have been made if Sony didn't want to capitalize on Soul's success to you know, SELL their console.
Bayonetta wouldn't exist for a fact if Nintendo didn't fund it, and Nintendo wouldn't have funded it if they didn't have a console to push
>>341836973
>They absolutely would, they just wouldn't be funded directly by sony. Their developing company would more than likely contact a publisher, and you'd get the exact same game.
Yeah, that is why Platinum said that literally nobody besides Nintendo would fund their game.
Also, what about the times the company directly contacts the developer to make a game? it is not always the other way around.
Why some people literally want less companies funding games?
>>341835654
PC game development would probably even be shittier without consoles with the most popular games right now being LoL, MMOs, indies and overwatch.
Most people (mass market) who game on PCs have toasters, and that is the market most developers will target in the absence of consoles. Shit like Crysis was a rare deal famalam.
>>341836784
By that logic you could argue that the Wii U and PS4 are separate media formats since they use different optical media.
>>341836907
I'm not trying to defend exclusives, but I just had a thought. What if the reason that exclusives encourages competition is that because one platform gets a good game exclusive to them, that drives demand for their platform, which means that for the other platform to drive equivalent demand, they need to do something themselves which bests the amount of demand created by the other platform's exclusive game. That demand driver can be an exclusive, or it can be something else, but either way, it would force them to do something to make their platform more attractive, investing more into it. T b h I'm not really familiar with this exclusive thing but I could be wrong. Just want to better understand it myself.
>>341837105
>releasing it on other platforms
>almost 0 work compared to making the game
>practically free money
>somehow not worth it
I can see why you think exclusives are okay, you're retarded.
>>341837134
And theres no reason to believe it wouldn't exist if there wasn't exlclusives. From software is a a big developer now, making a game almost every year. You think they were only able to make Bloodborne by the grace of sony? That game was getting made regardless.
Also, Bayonetta, a sequel that everyone wanted, would have came eventually. Nintendo just payed them to make it exclusive.
>>341837162
>Why some people literally want less companies funding games?
Why some people literally want less games on their consoles.
>>341837189
A PS4 can read DVDs, though. A BD player can't play HD-DVDs, and vice versa.
>>341837179
define toasters
consoles are toasters
>>341836784
Blu-Ray had special editions with behind-the-scenes, documentaries and slideshows are bonuses.
It's similar to exclusive or timed DLC
>>341835886
>>341835734
Phone games > MMOs > All other types of games
This is the current trend in regards to the most amount of money generated. So you're wrong.
>>341836567
are you an idiot
>people in this thread seriously trying to frame exclusives as "pro-consumer"
i never thought /v/ actually had shills but this thread is changing my mind
>>341837306
>Also, Bayonetta, a sequel that everyone wanted, would have came eventually. Nintendo just payed them to make it exclusive.
Sega literally came out and said they canceled Bayonetta 2 and only came to be because Nintendo funded.
Jesus anti-consumerfags are THIS ignorant.
>>341837425
I just like seeing PC cry babies get fucked over and them pissing their pants about not being able to play a game they want
>>341837314
>A PS4 can read DVDs, though.
So? Within the realm of vidya that's the equivalent of backwards compatibility.
>A BD player can't play HD-DVDs, and vice versa.
And a PS4 can't play Wii U (or if you want something closer in power, Xbone) discs and vice versa, what's your point?
>>341837392
Are you seriously putting it in doubt? He's retarded.
>>341837306
Bayo 2 was literally a case of no one else wanting to fund it except Ninty.
>Guys all games would exist sooner or later
>Seriously, it's not like tons of games are made specifically to push consoles
>I WANT one console to have a monopoly over the industry, it's pro-consumer!
Holy.
Shit.
>>341837475
I'm sure sega literally said that, and I'm also sure nintendo literally payed them to literally say it.
Also, you're the anti consumer, are you really that retarded that you think exclusives, something that forces consumers to spend their money on a new console to get 1 game, is pro consumer? Holy fuck the the extra chromosomes you have.
Plenty of Windows games are exclusive to Steam.
>>341835395
Exclusive are anti-consumer.
The competition around hardware should be on performance/reliability not bribery for exclusive access to software.
>>341835395
Software shouldn't really be locked to specific pieces of hardware.
I understand the reasoning behind a company that finances a game and obviously wants to sell it only on their hardware, but the consumer doesn't really get any benefit from it.
Competition between hardware would be much more interesting if consumers weren't forced to choose inferior hardware because of the software that's available. If consoles started using different distros of a same OS, I think the consumers' situation would be much better.
Even less hostile. Not much point in blind fanboying for your system while CEOs cackle, if there's not really much exclusive software.
It becomes a genuine battle of specs and features, as it should've always been.
I could also argue that the consumer is sacrificing his freedoms in the way things are currently, but that's Stallman territory so I won't go there.
>>341837647
And Steam is a 3 MB application
Meanwhile consoles can go up to 600 dollars
>>341837552
Technically those consoles CAN play discs from one another. Ever try inserting a ps2 or Xbox game into one another and get a video file played back to you asking you to insert the disc into it's respective system?
>>341837716
So it's okay when steam does it.
>>341837647
Steam is free.
>>341837773
Yes, and it's okay when Origin and GOG do it too, because they're free distribution platforms just like Steam
>>341837621
Yes, having choices is inherently pro-consumer. Without exclusives there would only be one console, thus no options, thus is anti-consumer.
>I'm sure sega literally said that, and I'm also sure nintendo literally payed them to literally say it.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-05-01-sega-cancels-bayonetta-2-report
>>341837579
>no exclusives
>consoles now sell based on their power, and other things that come with it
>creates competition to make better consoles to play the more powerful games
>somehow anti-consumer
>consoles make specific games exclusive
>forcing the consumer to buy multiple consoles to just play one game
>no other reason than that game isn't allowed on a specific console
>consumer loses money for no reason, and the companies gain money
>somehow pro-consumer
>>341837647
Steam is an online store and an application.
It doesn't force the consumer to buy a specific box to use it. In fact it supports all PC platforms currently.
Small picture: You, as a customer, benefit from having a choice.
Big picture: Platform exclusivity deals sometimes fund good games.
Bigger picture: Plenty of good games are funded without exclusivity deals.
Exclusives are fine, without them we wouldn't have some of the greatest games of all time, the entire Nintendo library says Hi.
I do think that Companies need to do a better job at rereleasing games and if money is a problem then there should be a call for the companies to release source codes. Consoles and old hardware holdback many great games.
PS1 is a great example, there's some artfully designed games for that platform but the limitations of the PS1 hold them back. Silent Hill 1 has such a stunning atmosphere but it looks like crap that to the PS1.
The closest comparison I can make is imagine if there were popular iconic albums of music that were restricted to fucking 8-Track because for whatever reason the studios were incompetent. Great software deserves to be remastered properly. And this isn't just a Console problem, there's quite a few great PC games that use DOSbox.
>>341837647
Plenty of PC games are Windows exclusive.
PC fats will defend this.
>>341837754
You get the same exact shit with trying to play BDs on a DVD player. You're really reaching to try to prove your shitty screencap isn't a waste of 70 kb.
>>341837621
It's your word against theirs; which is more reliable I wonder?
Are you really that young to think that exclusives have ever not been made to sale the hardware? That is and always has been their purpose. And that DOES mean certain games would never have been funded if they couldn't be used towards that purpose. ICO, Panzer Dragoon, Lost Oddysey: Just a few games that never would have existed without the incentive to bring a unique game to the hardware.
Only poorfags care about exclusivity
>>341837852
>creates competition to make better consoles to play the more powerful games
So exclusives?
>>341836597
IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR!!!
>>341835654
PC cuck detected!
Silly gamerfag, consoles have been around longer than your gaming computers.
>>341837852
But you people are all crying about the Neo and Scorpio
>>341837840
>Without exclusives there would only be one console, thus no options, thus is anti-consumer.
You really believe that? I guess theres just one TV brand, because theres no exclusive TV shows to a certain TV, right? Samsung, LG, they only exist because they made a certain movie only play on their TV's.
see
>>341837852
Having no exclusives doesn't create a monopoly, or one console. Competition still exists.
>>341837957
>Are you really that young to think that exclusives have ever not been made to sale the hardware?
Obviously, and thats the entire point. But, those games would still exist without it.
>>341838006
I guess thats why consoles are still back 5 generations.
>>341838048
/v/ isn't a hivemind.
>>341837647
What's your point?
Do you always barge into threads stating random obvious facts as if they're rebuttals to arguments which are not happening?
>>341837647
>>341837886
Why would that make a difference?
>>341837886
Of course Steam doesn't force you to buy a box to use (even though that's what Valve Corporation wants) but what does that have that to do with the fact that Steam has exclusives and Windows gamers are fine with that?
There is no argument that can be made for exclusivity on the consumer side. It's just incredibly retarded.
Maybe the only justifiable reason for exclusivity is technological limitation, but that really only works for the PC side where basically any device can be made to interface with PC.
>>341837840
>one console
>PC is a monolith
you have linux/windows/osx
you have weak hardware
you have strong hardware
you have amd/nvidia/intel
you have different VR devices
you can have whatever interface you desire
you have many choices in RAM/HDD/SSD/Monitors/Mobo/DVD/Bluray/wireless/wired/mouse/keyboard/controllers/etc.
you can pay a little or you can pay a lot
>>341837258
So assuming that exclusives actually do drive competition, why wouldn't that be pro-consumer? But also, I do feel weird talking about it in this manner. My gut tells me that talking in terms of pro-consumer somehow misses the point somewhere, but I'm not sure where.
>>341838079
>I guess thats why consoles are still back 5 generations.
They're always going to be behind because the average consumer is not willing to buy a new console on a yearly basis or pay 800-1000+ dollars for one.
>>341838079
>>Without exclusives there would only be one console, thus no options, thus is anti-consumer.
>You really believe that? I guess theres just one TV brand, because theres no exclusive TV shows to a certain TV, right? Samsung, LG, they only exist because they made a certain movie only play on their TV's.
>see
Thats not the right comparision retard. Look HBO or Netflix funding tv shows.
>>341835615
A video file isn't the same a customizing a game to specific architecture
>>341837943
Not that guy man, just read your post and offered a suggestion.
>>341837481
Considering PC players tend to be really elitist and simultaneously shit up communities of games they get ports toDark Souls says hiI think it's justified.
>>341838190
>Look HBO or Netflix funding tv shows.
I guess they sell TV's, right? Fuck you're retarded.
>>341838079
>But, those games would still exist without it.
You're basing that on absolutely nothing.
>>341838125
It's absolutely related when the owner of Valve Corporation says that exclusives are not in consumer's interests, yet his own DRM service has exclusive games for it.
>>341835842
Well if countries didn't insist on censored versions of games based on the values of a bunch of old idiots.
>>341835615
Certain artists only release their music on certain medias, like apple store, and ignore others, like spotify.
>>341838150
>>you have linux/windows/osx
>you have weak hardware
>you have strong hardware
>you have amd/nvidia/intel
>you have different VR devices
>you can have whatever interface you desire
>you have many choices in RAM/HDD/SSD/Monitors/Mobo/DVD/Bluray/wireless/wired/mouse/keyboard/controllers/etc.
>you can pay a little or you can pay a lot
All of those products aren't inherently tied to video games, what's your point?
Why the FUCK isn't House of Cards on Hulu? Exclusives are anti-consumer.
>>341838250
>You're basing that on absolutely nothing.
I'm basing it on the fact a game is an idea, and that person can still make the game regardless of their being exclusives.
If X won't fund it, Y will.
>>341838248
What i'm saying is that they are different fucking mediums so the comparision would be sony, nintendo, microsoft to the different channels, or in case of netflix, platforms to watch stuff.
>>341838248
No, but they're services you have to pay to use. If Netflix has an exclusive show, that's a show that other similar companies don't have access to. If there are multiple services with exclusive shows you want to watch, you have to pay for both.
If exclusives drove competition, every TripleA title you see wouldn't be shit. They don't make good games, they produce mediocre games and hype them up.
Exclusivity is a meme.
Without exclusives it would eventually end up to monopoly because everyone would just buy the best console. And monopoly is a lot worse thing to customers than exclusives, they could charge 1000$ for console and you wouldn't have a choice.
>>341835615
>No other industry works like this
>Netflix/HBO have exclusive shows
>TV providers have certain channels
>Music stores have exclusive songs/albums
WHOA. It's almost like creating incentive for someone to buy your hardware or service is a good way to get sales and exists in most entertainment industries.
>>341838354
They aren't, at all. You're saying without exclusives, there would only be one consoles, because there'd be no reason for them to compete.
If that was the case, why isn't there just one TV brand? Or one brand of anything?
I get it you're just a kid, and you think video game companies are out for your best interest, but you're really retarded. Stop skipping class.
>>341838349
>If X won't fund it, Y will.
>being this naive
>>341838130
Saying Steam has exclusives is like saying Best Buy has exclusives. You have to go to a specific store to buy x thing, but you can run it on whatever rig you have.
Even though it's quite successful, Steam's style of digital sales is still a pretty young market. Sometimes it takes a while before some effective competition shows up.
>>341838250
Oh, I forgot OP's image had a quote from a Valve guy.
You've got a lot of nerve, making me look stupid like that. Who the fuck do you think you are?
>>341838349
>If X won't fund it, Y will
Citation needed.
>>341838440
>Bloodborne was shit anyway!!
>>341838190
Since when is Netflix a piece of hardware? Netflix in this arrangement is like a game publisher that charges a subscription fee for access to its catalog, rather than selling specific content.
>>341838520
You can't run certain games on linux or mac.
This means they 're windows exclusive
ANTI CONSUMER ALERT
ANTI CONSUMER ALERT
>>341838502
>thinking exclusives are pro-consumer
>being this naive
>>341838535
Sure, just as soon as you show me proof that it won't. You guys are saying the games won't exist without them being exclusive. I'd love to see a citation on that.
>>341838349
The point of contention is whether it would be funded without having the incentive of it being an exclusive, which you're just assuming would happen.
Games aren't also always "pitched" as you seem to believe, but often they are also commissioned. I.e. the developers of Sonic the Hedgehog were told to come up with a platformer in competition with Mario.
>>341838568
Choosing a console is no different from choosing a TV service.
You pay for a PS4 to have access to its games.
You pay for Netflix to have access to its shows.
>>341838325
That they aren't inherently tied to anything and no one controls them who would have a bias in one way or the other. As a consumer I don't care what benefits a corporation unless it also benefits me. I want both AMD and Nvidia to make great products because it's inherently beneficial to me. They compete for the same audience so they need to compete in terms of price and performance increases not with what games run on what systems.
>>341835395
i wouldn't feel so bad if consoles were as powerful as each other.
it's just wasted potential if you play it on a piece of shit.
but the real issue is artistic integrity. developers need money but at what cost?
i can live with consoles holding gaming back when PCs are much better at everything, but consoles should never hold other consoles back.
> if a platform has no exclusives it has no games
> if a platform has exclusives it's anti-consumer and a monopoly
You're all fucking faggots.
>>341838725
It's the next step of whining about the PS4.
>People seriously think multiple consoles would exist if not for exclusives
By that logic people would just all own PCs, so consoles wouldn't exist period.
>>341838621
>I.e. the developers of Sonic the Hedgehog were told to come up with a platformer in competition with Mario.
And you don't think that would have happened at all, without them being exclusives?
A game developer would still think "If only we had a game to compete with mario... Too bad we cant sell it to one console, and one console only..."
Another gaming company would try to compete and steal sales from another. Not something exclusives invented.
>>341838725
/v/ isn't a hivemind
>>341838520
>Saying Steam has exclusives is like saying Best Buy has exclusives.
No. Steam is not a store. Steam is DRM. It's a service. You need Steam to run the game. With consoles, the console itself is the DRM. It's comparable.
>>341838770
consoles are just shitty locked down PCs, you moron.
>not just waiting until the near end of a system's lifetime to pick it plus the good exclusives up for <$250
inb4 b-but muh anti-consumer, who gives a shit
>>341838620
>Sure, just as soon as you show me proof that it won't.
https://www.vg247.com/2012/09/22/bayonetta-2-would-not-exist-without-nintendo-says-platinum/
>>341838770
>By that logic people would just all own PCs, so consoles wouldn't exist period.
And if thats the way the marekt goes, based on the consumers needs, then thats what happens. Thats the entire meaning of pro-consumer.
>>341838852
>company just gave you millions of dollars
>thinking this wasn't something they were told to say
Anit-consumers sure are naive.
You know when you see an actor in commercials, they actually really do love the product, and totally aren't being payed for it.
>>341838860
No it wouldn't be.
Cause then it would hit the point that people will only have PC as an option.
Less options are INHERENTLY anti-consumer.
"Exclusives" used to exist because it was easier to develop a game for one platform.
Now it's licencing deals to sell hardware by holding games hostage.
>>341838468
Because TVs aren't selling channels, but Sony and Microsoft are selling games? Netflix Hulu are much more apt comparisons. Hulu was fading into irrelevancy pretty fucking hard until it started shoring up exclusive shows.
>Have a shared "third party" library between them
>Have shows that are on one and not the other, without direct production by Netflix or Hulu
>Have shows that they produce to be exclusively used on their platform
If it were my way, there would be no exclusives and you can just play them on your preferred platform.
I'd like to play all the games I do on Mac.
>>341838725
Yep now you've learned that /v/ is Tsundere to Sony.
>Not like I wanted to play your Spider-Man game or anything
>>341838943
>They're just lying!
Do you have any proof?
Nice damage control.
>>341838973
This.
>>341838787
>/v/ isn't a hivemind
You're delusional if you think this.
>>341835395
well, hardware's obviously not being pushed anymore, so I guess companies gotta have something to set themselves apart from others.
>>341838592
This isn't really Steam's fault, though.
They offer the service to bring games to Linux and Mac. Whether companies make use of it or not is a different story.
If your point is that Microsoft is anti-consumer, then I certainly agree. It's still a better situation to be in than owning a console, but still far from ideal.
>>341838807
Ah yes, DRM is certainly terrible, but it's still a much superior situation to being forced to buy certain pieces of hardware. You still have freedom in that regard, and a practically infinite backlog if you want to explore it.
Read my above reply, PC has its problems, but most people on 4chan at least seem to be very much aware of it. Some people actively boycott Steam for this reason.
Again, it's far from ideal, but there's at least some attempt to stop it on the PC front.
Console users don't really seem to even acknowledge the issue.
>>341838945
You seem to think that a PC is made by one company. You're wrong. You don't go to Microsoft and say "One PC Please!", it isn't the only PC in the world. Its built of parts made by other companies. So even if people stopped buying consoles, how is there no options in a PC? You're fucking retarded.
>>341838973
Samsung is only allowing Bell cable boxes to work with their TV's. Don't like it? Buy a Samsung and a LG to get all the TV channels! That isn't anti-consumer at all.
>>341839053
Hm, our two differing opinions kind of proves me right.
>>341837716
Meanwhile PCs can go up to 2000 dollars
>>341838807
First of all, Steam is a store, even if it's also other things. Second of all, Steam isn't DRM for every game available on Steam. This is true for many Steam games, which do attempt to open Steam even if you try to launch them directly from the executable file, but there are other games which can be launched without Steam. I just wanted to point that out, but you'll probably say I'm nitpicking.
In any case, I think there's a big difference between console exclusivity and Steam exclusivity. Console exclusivity restricts the hardware you can use to play a game, which is why I don't like console exclusivity. Why should I be forced to play a potentially good game on cheap hardware? Steam exclusivity, meanwhile, doesn't necessarily mean anything except that you have to download it from Steam.
>>341835395
Not having to play a downgrade because it doesn't have to be the same as on inferior platforms is great.
If games were exclusive to a service but the service usable on any hardware, that would be fine.
>>341839178
No one is paying anyone to make PC exclusives.
>>341839178
>Meanwhile PCs can go up to 2000 dollars
PC's can go up to $10,000. Theres no limit to how much money some retard is willing to spend.
My little cousin just got a new PC, his mom spent around $1,500 on it. Its a pre-built. Its worse than mine, and I built mine almost 3 years ago for around $800.
>>341839092
I wanna fuck that rabbit.
>>341839150
>You seem to think that a PC is made by one company. You're wrong. You don't go to Microsoft and say "One PC Please!", it isn't the only PC in the world. Its built of parts made by other companies. So even if people stopped buying consoles, how is there no options in a PC? You're fucking retarded.
What if someone doesn't want to build a PC?
Or pay for internet?
Or wants non-digital copies of their games? (which is a basically dead concept on PC)
>>341839334
>>341839178
They can go as high as you want, but they don't have to.
Holy shit, it's like consumer choice is good or something.
>>341839178
PCs can go higher than that. It all depends on the components you choose.
Granted a console manufacturer could bump up the price to a grand, but I doubt it would sell.
>>341839356
What if someone doesn't want to buy two consoles so they can play one game they liked?
>>341839423
Why would you buy two consoles
>>341839423
Then buy one console for that one game?
What the fuck are you on?
>>341839356
>pay for internet
>a PC thing only
Are you drunk?
>>341839365
I still want to fuck the rabbit.
>>341839356
COME ON GOY
YOU DONT WANNA BE LOCKED INTO WINDOWS 10?
>>341839480
>implying DRM isn't the norm on PC
>>341839480
You need internet to download your games since physical copies don't exist anymore.
I don't.
>>341835395
>What do you think about the idea of exclusives?
They are cancerous tumors that need cut from the industry.
"Exclusives" should be first-party titles exclusively.
>>341839457
Only way for me to experience two different games that I really enjoy.
>>341839465
Damn, that sure is pro-consumer.
Without exclusives producers would have to work to create the better gaming system, since people have a choice what they buy.
With exclusives they just have to hold the right IP ransom and they can force people to buy their inferior hardware.
>>341838770
The current generation of consoles is nothing but outdated PC hardware in a plastic case. Why do you think E3 demos and the like are always shown on "[console]-like systems"? They're PC-sandboxes that emulate the console's system, but since they can access better, custom-built hardware they can bullshit people into believing that the game has a higher graphical polish than the final product.
The PS4 and Xbone even force you to download and install stuff on the built-in HD, meaning consoles don't even have simplicity/Plug&Play as an argument anymore.
>>341838725
So the only reason consoles exist is because they have exclusives?
>>341839480
Do you not know what drm is? Or is that something you still pretend consoles have.
>>341839584
>Damn, that sure is pro-consumer.
Yes having options is pro-consumer.
>>341835615
>No other industry works like this
Blu-rays have always had a fuckton more special features whilst DVDs just stopped having them entirely when blu-ray showed up. TV channels and streaming services actively bid for exclusivity of TV shows and films and pay to create exclusive TV shows so more people will pay for or watch them. Things like iTunes and Spotify have exclusive music.
It's everywhere. You just don't notice it because films, shows, and music are all easily downloadable allowing you to bypass that nonsense entirely. And it happens everywhere else too; resteraunts patent recipes so you have to go to them, clothing shops hire designers to work exclusively for them, furniture outlets do the same, medical companies patent certain practices or medicines so only they can sell them, and so on.
Now I'm not necessarily saying it's a good thing, but pretending it only happens in gaming is just fucking retarded.
A trick made by Jews.
>>341835395
>There are people that actually believe that having DRM locked peripherals (Screens) actually makes sense.
What the fuck 2016. I hope you guys are joking.
>>341839621
>What is steam offline mode
>>341839704
Thats not what having options means.
Having options would be choosing the play the game on console X or Y. This is pro-consumer.
Not being forced to buy console X to play the game, and then having to get console Y to play another. This is anti-consumer.
>>341839024
Game sold like shit m8, just like the platform it was released on.
>>341839815
>Having options would be choosing the play the game on console X or Y. This is pro-consumer.
and what makes you think we won't hit a point where only one console will exist?
>>341839814
Something you can only do if you check in with them.
>>341839150
I dunno what a Bell cable box is, and googling gives me some sort of Canadian cable thing. Does Bell have some exclusive channels or some shit? Cable providers generally do not have exclusive channels either way, so I really don't know where you're going with this.
This is an age old topic and there have been dozens of academic and professional debates about it with actually well researched and presented arguments. Why isn't anybody bringing up this wealth of knowledge?
Reminder no matter how you feel, exclusives will never go away, and us non-retards can enjoy being idorts and just picking and choosing what we want to buy while companies fight to impress us.
>>341839563
Can you really use modern consoles effectively with no internet connection? If not, then good for you, I guess.
I'll concede that you have a valid point, but I can't imagine someone in 2016 buying a PC with no intention of going online.
>>341839547
>>341839621
See above; you technically have a point but I really doubt that video game DRM is ever the reason that someone decides to pay for internet service.
>>341838725
You're putting two arguments from different people together, my lad.
>>341839917
because the companies will still compete for your business, by offering a better product. Not having one game you want to play.
Its basic business.
>>341839948
I was making a point, you retard.
>>341840083
He's pointing out /v/'s hypocrisy
>>341835395
Exclusives literally made and differentiated consoles in the younger years of the game industry, and made for a competitive market where you saw really different and original games that utilized each console's unique properties in innovative and differential ways, and well, those were brighter times. But as dev prices rose, I guess the entire idea began to die out, especially as each console started to become less of its own thing in architecture and more of a generic, standarized box comparable to a closed PC that only plays games.
It's a shame, but console exclusives mean fuckall nowadays. The platforms have become as standarized and generic as the industry wanted them to be, and there's no going back now. The only next logical step is witnessing how videogames die out, slowly and rather painfully. It's been a good run, I guess.
>>341840121
People really need to stop this /v/ is one person thing.
If /v/ were one person there would not be all this shitposting.
>>341840010
Wouldn't be so sure about that. There was a time people thought physical media would never go away. but here we are.
It's already possible to hook most modern TVs into your home-network and stream from your PC. In the end, the only problem left is the control scheme.
>>341835512
If you can´t express your opinion without expletives or derogatory terminology, or basically without showing that you have an agenda, it is not worth listening to.
>>341840116
And it was a point that didn't work, because your example was stupid. The Netflix/Hulu or iTunes/Spotify comparison is much better than what you put out.
>>341840121
Its almost like different people, who have different opinions, post on /v/. Thats nonsense.
>>341840239
You can claim /v/ isn't one person but you're delusional if you think there isn't a bias on this website
>>341840239
I think it should be treated as a rule 3 violation.
It's disingenuous and people do it for the (You)s.
>>341839563
This is so wrong on several levels.
>>341838725
Yes, both of those are true.
There is no reason for consoles to exist other than human greed.
>>341840274
Mad PC fat beggar detected
I don't mind games like Bloodborne/Bayonetta 2/etc being exclusive, since the platform holders commissioned for these games to be made. What is a larger problem, however, are games being arbitrarily exclusive without any sort of compensation from the platform holder. Sony has Japan's game market all to themselves, simply because Japan has no other relevant platforms. And the best part about all this? Sony doesn't give a single shit about most of these developers, they only make games for PS consoles because that's the only thing they have.
When the fuck will there be a competitor in the Jap market?
>>341840446
>claims to like japanese games
>refuses to support them on the platforms they're on
>would rather see jap devs die instead of actually supporting them because you care more about hardware than actual games
>>341840446
They can't compete, because sony owns all the developers gooks care about, and they won't be able to make the exclusives they care about. Oh.. Wow... Its almost like its anti-consumer.
>>341840446
The competitor in Nippon is cell phone games with little/no gameplay.
>>341837425
Honestly whats wrong with exclusives?
As pointed out by another anon, exclusivity exists on all other media. Whats wrong with games being exclusive?
Even if Microshit pays for exclusives thats not really good grounds to generalize exclusivity being bad for the industry. Its like blaming guns for violence.
We have a free market and it goes both ways. If we dont like the way Company A runs things, theres other companies that make consoles.
>>341840263
>There was a time people thought physical media would never go away. but here we are
Physical media hasn't gone away, Anon.
>>341840573
>>341840446
It's not anyone's fault that Nintendo has been a fucking joke console wise for almost a decade now.
>>341838725
you know what the common factor is there? consoles. and video games.
>>341840617
>If we dont like the way Company A runs things, theres other companies that make consoles.
Too bad that company you don't like is paying for your favourite game to be exclusive on their console.
Now you're funding the worse company, and killing the good one at the same time.
>/v/ wishes that exclusives dont existNow every game is tuned for the weakest console, enjoy all those wii-u ports on your PC master race
>>341840332
There isn't, there are camps, cliques, or whatever you want to call it.
>>341840376
I can't remember the last time I saw rule 3 being enforced anywhere. It sure as hell wasn't on /v/ though.
>>341835395
Exclusivity is cancer.
Consoles don't even try to compete with hardware, services or functionality anymore. Instead it's just about what IP a boardroom of fat men in suits can buy out and over-market for Preorders.
Truly modern gaming is a tragic shitshow and this generation of tantrum-terrorists with mummy's wallet are to blame for encouraging a shitty greedy complacent market.
>>341838725
/v/ is butthurt they're poor and can't afford to pay for a console and games
They want everything to come to pc so they can pirate it
>>341835395
Just imagine all the good games we could have if, instead of funding inferior, dated hardware, companies like Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo only focused on the quality of their software. It would be all about the games.
But they never will. They make way too much money from the lowest common denominator to ever change without something drastic happening. A shame, really.
>>341840541
>would rather see jap devs die instead of actually supporting them because you care more about hardware than actual games
The last jap game I enjoyed was F-Zero GX. Gaming is dead to me.
>>341840862
>They want everything to come to pc so they can pirate it
...I didn't think of this.
Ok I'm against exclusives now.
>>341835886
>Games sell far more and and for more on consoles than they do on PC.
Like Skyrim and Payday and all those PC games you'll never even hear about in your happy little bubble of IGN hype
>>341840925
Then why are you on a board to discuss video games if you don't play video games?
>>341840817
>exclusives don't exist
>people stop buying consoles based on what game it might get, and instead buy it based on which one they like most, or which is more powerful
>games are now being made for the more power console (would just be PC ports)
It's such a double edged sword that I really don't know what to think.
>>341840932
>actually believing that
I want shit to come to PC so I don't have to pay an extra $500 to play it on a lower resolution and a lower framerate.
>>341840446
In the home console market? Never. MS isn't doing jack shit in Japan, so developers won't make their games there. Developers know that Nintendo's audience won't really buy their games as much compared to the PS3/4, so that's a no go on the Wii U. That leaves Sony.
>>341840573
>implying Sony owns Gust/Compile Heart/NIS/Atlus/Arcsys
Those devs just realize that the Sony home console is the only one where they'll see any sort of sales.
>>341840617
What movies are exclusive to your television?
Which websites are exclusive to your router?
>>341840943
>implying I play any of those
All I care about is jrpgs and other jap games you dismiss as "weebshit" until you ever get ports and then you claim them as great games
>>341840817
>Turning down graphics settings like you do on PC
Wow that was hard.
>>341836623
Why on earth would I want an industry that provides goods or services I wish to purchase in exchange for money?
>>341838592
Even without Steam they are still designed for Windows PCs, doofus.
>>341840993
Believing what?
I'm a massive piratefag, I would pirate everything. I genuinely want a world where I don't have to buy games or consoles anymore.
I could spent all my money on phone sex and figures.
>>341841080
>PC users
>exchanging money for goods or services
>>341835395
Exclusives are dumb and require you to buy every console. Consoles are like 300-400 bucks plus games and addons which both are between 40 and 100 bucks. I don't have the money for that, but I really wanna play those games. FUCK EXCLUSIVES
>>341840993
Please, anon. You benefit greatly from having to buy two nearly identical mediocre computers, so that you enjoy all of the delightful content to the xbone and ps4 respectively.
Think of all of the amazing content that could never be financially viable if a surchage of hundreds of dollars wasn't applied to their sale?
>>341840957
In a world where exclusive dont exist, suits are go to make the weakest platform the main one, because that saves money on production
>this thread
>>341841006
You literally just said that the only reason the Japanese make games exclusively for Sony consoles is because Sony has a unanimous monopoly there, not because of any other reason. Of course they make money on Sony consoles, it's not like they made games for anything else.
The worst thing that can happen is going back to the days of hardware exclusivity for PC. I don't think a lot of you remember the days of only being able to play some games on Intel CPUs, or sound never working probably because the software emulator was trash and the studio made an exclusive contract with Sound Blaster to push their sound cards. The late 90's were a boon for PC Gaming, but we lost some good companies with the progress that was made. Rest in Peace, 3dfx.
VR is in a really infantile state right now and the last thing we need is hardware exclusives for any video games, on a platform that is known for being open. The entire point of PC's are to remove the walled garden console environment and give everyone an expanded set of tools to play with. The modular ability of PC Gaming in general is what makes it so attractive to myself, and many others.
What Oculus is doing is completely threatening that open feeling by locking down everything they can with these contracts. Any developer that seriously finds it okay to completely lock out another device, on a universal platform, is a piece of shit. I ask that you don't support them, and look at developers like Croteam, who said "Fuck that." to a lot of money, and instead chose integrity and wanting everyone to experience their game.
A lot of the posts by Oculus owners, who bother to defend this, just feel like they're trying to rationalize their purchase. It's disgusting that anyone would be against an open platform, but at this point, I'll believe anything. Whatever, I had to vent. Maybe games aren't for me anymore, but I enjoy working on hardware still. I really wish this industry will wake up before they crash what little potential VR has right now. It's sad when I'm getting more fucking support from the porn industry when working on this hardware.
>>341841228
why don't sony and MS just start making games that only run with certain graphics cards and then go into partnership with said graphics cards. its literally the same shit but I still get to use my PC.
>>341841246
No, they'd actually compete for the best screenshots on the device whose owners buy the most games.
>>341841246
suits can't choose which platform is the main one. The consumers do, by buying the one they want the most.
You really think everyone will buy the weakest platform?
No, they'll get the best one they can get.
>>341841016
>What movies are exclusive to your television?
None. But if you want to watch Game of Thrones your choices are HBO or nothing. If you want to watch Daredevil your choices are Netflix or nothing. Films have timed exclusivity at cinemas.
Of course there's torrenting which provides an easy way around that, but this is considered illegal. If console emulation could happen immediately when a console is released but torrenting films became impossible you'd be on /tv/ having this exact same argument in reverse.
As for routers, go ask America and China.
>>341841417
Yeah, sure what is affordable is not something consumers ever think about.
>>341840943
To shitpost and make people like us respond to it. Probably the only social interaction he gets.
>tfw i know this pain
>exclusives are what drives the industry
>despite the fact that consoles sell exclusively thanks to multiplats
I bet Bloodborne was a real smart investment for Sony, wasn't it. Fucking CoD moved more PS4s off shelves than BB could ever hope of doing.
>>341839356
>>341840010
>>341840932
>>341841106
both avatarfagging and false flagging are against the rules, anon
>>341841292
I wasn't implying that Sony doesn't have a monopoly in Japan, because they do. I was just saying that Sony doesn't own all the Japanese devs. You can call it functional ownership, which would be true, but those developers are still free to develop on other consoles.
>>341841350
>>341841417
You are only thinking about the platform with the majority
they want to super majority, aka everyone who owns a platform to buy the game
its the same as appealing to the lowest common denomonator
>>341841574
Didnt bloodborne even sell only 2million copies?Im pretty sure there are many more ps4 sales.
>>341841574
This wasn't the case until cancerous dudenro games flooded the market
>>341841579
I am neither avatarfagging (Less than 3/10 of my posts even have images attatched to them) nor falseflagging.
I pirate everything I play that isn't multiplayer only when it comes to PC
>>341835395
first they sell you an item for an unjustified price
you buy it because of cultural/social reasons, and not because it is inherently good
then they create exclusives for that system
the owners of the system get a psychological double effect:
1. this medium justify my purchase because anyone else can have it
2. this MUST be good, because i paid extra, and nobody wants to feel stupid
devs are losing revenue
exclusives are literally bait for socially driven capitalism
>>341835395
It's obviously one of the great cancer pillars of todays industry. We have reached a point where people willingly buy into locked down, underpowered DRM PC's to play into corporate schemes. And people like this shill >>341835512 defends it vigorously.
They are so Illusionized by their "allegiance" that they will do anything to prevent anyone else from having the same experience. They are the perfect puppets for the corporatist slavemaster.
>>341841443
HBO literally funds the development of that programming. It's not paying bribes to reduce competition for that programming.
Which is why you can watch the same movies, not funded by HBO, on HBO, as you can Netflix.
HBO in turn isn't exclusive to certain hardware peripherals, because it's and stifling to technological innovation (in the way that having AT&T renting every house one model of phone was, when they had a telco monopoly).
>>341841574
Why don't people understand that companies benefit from having a diverse library to appeal to the most people as possible?
>>341840803
Buy the competitors console used.
Buy your favorite console brand new.
Is it really that hard?
>>341841618
Anon, you might have not noticed, but the Wii sold a lot of units. Some token efforts were made by third parties to release cut down versions of games for the Wii, but all of the grannies that bought the Wii for virtual bowling didn't buy those games. Soon third parties were not terribly interested in Nintendo at all, let alone constraining their mainline development to the Wii's technological limitations.
>>341841686
I know, right?
>>341841716
Because no one gives a fuck about companies benefiting
you should never care about any company because, while they provide a product or service, they're still out to make money and can and will screw you over in the process.
Chet Falisek is a retard and a faggot.
Exclusives are when a platform holder gives developers money for risky projects third-party publishers wouldn't spend on in exchange for the finished game propping up their platform's renown and getting more people to buy it alongside the game.
Of course Chet Falksek would know this if Valve had spent any fucking time since 2011 developing exclusives of their own for Steam in order to make PC gaming seem less like an afterthought rather than waste money developing stupid fucking Steam Machines that nobody fucking needs.
Face it assholes: video games are interactive, and interactivity requieres horsepower. Exclusives are necessary.
>>341841686
Video games have always been mainstream and appealed to a wide audience.
For fucks sake sports games have been the top seller on almost every console that's existed
