TYYD HD or 3D NEVER EVER.
>>341813219
Still hurts
>>341813356
Why? The original game still exists, it's still a good game.
>>341813452
This. Endless ports/remasters/remakes can fuck off.
I still have my GC copy.
>>341813219
>Not emulating it with the HD texture pack.
>>341813452
Exactly. What do HD remasters ever do besides fuck up the original art style?
HD remaster is possible
>>341813658
>not wanting it with Color Splash art style, the only thing that game does right
>>341813753
But do fans REALLY want it? Its tough to figure out. We're just not sure if our ravenous fanbase would buy such a title.
>>341813219
there's already an HD version on Dolphin
>>341813452
yes but we beat it already
>>341813830
>White outlines on characters.
you rant TTYD HD?
>>341813865
>But do fans REALLY want it?
you ask me
>implying Color Splash won't flop
>>341813663
I was thinking it would be a Super Mario 64 DS tier remaster
>>341813753
No it isn't, she just said that in the moment because she had a set list of questions she could and couldn't definitively answer. That wasn't one of them so she gave a non-answer "if people want it we might look into it".
it's not happening guys stop getting your hopes up.
>>341815116
No, I "rant" Paper Mario 3 you slopey cunt. I just want a nice trilogy wrapped up in a neat little way. That's all. Then you can fuck off and make a Paper Mario Trading Card Game for all I care, I just want one final game.
>>341815116
Nobody buy Color Splash.
Everyone buy TTYDHD
>>341815586
>3
Was super paper mario not good?
They should just do it so they'll find out that traditional PM sells more than Sticker Shit
>>341815232
Of course it will flop, but it will sell more than starfox zero (zero not meaning the number of sales... Or maybe it is)
Also sticker star selling 2 million on 3ds is pretty bad considering the install base of the system, and now take into account wii u's
>>341815746
It is but it's a spinoff of the paper mario series
>>341813219
HD or 3D would be cool but Ive played it to death already. I rather just have a new game with this format, which won't happen.
>>341815746
Of course not, it was a platformer without platforming gameplay. It has some of the worst character design in any game what so ever. In fact, if I had to choose between playing sticker star or SPM I might actually pick SS. The only reason I'd personally rank SPM higher than SS is the fact that spm clearly had more love and care put into it than the sterilized slurry of corporate groupthink that is SS.
>>341815746
It was good, it's just people bitch because it didn't play like the other two so they try to say it wasn't a real paper mario
if Star Fox 64HD brought back Star Fox (not saying Zero is good), then we have to try with TTYD HD or a 64 remake.
also their statement on 2 existing Mario PG is stupid
>Paper Mairo: Console Mario RPG
>M&LRPG: Handheld Mario RPG
simple as that, not that hard Kensuke Tanabe.
>>341816097
It was more of a genre switch up than TTYD to sticker star was. The pixls had no character to them, they were just floating geometry. The world was fucking hideous and the characters looked like shit. Boss fights were broken as fuck. It's a platformer with a constant running speed and floaty as fuck controls. It's not a good game on its own and if you remove the paper mario "feel" from the game, no one in the world would have given it a pass.
>>341816235
If anything, 64 itself needs a touchup since its more dated. A 2 in 1 or even a trilogy would be the shit.
>>341816235
*643D
>>341816235
really tho, it's not our fault the dumbfucks went ahead and tried to put the worst game of all time on hand helds for a series that has literally never been on handhelds
>>341816385
the only way Id buy a PM remake would likely be if there was two of them in one. Otherwise i'd stick to my original gamecube and n64 versions I think.
>>341813219
TTYD is a chore to replay. Just remake 64.
>>341816614
Nah, TTYD is better in every way. Deal with it and move on.
>>341816347
>The pixls had no character to them, they were just floating geometry
Well yeah in lore they are meant to not be real "characters"
>The world was fucking hideous and the characters looked like shit.
all opinion because i considered the various places pretty neat in design as well as many characters being pretty colorful as well
>bosses are broken as fuck
They are in every paper mario game because all you have to do is use one tactic to win.
>constant running speed
i see no problem with this
>floaty as fuck
better then the other end of the scale with castlevania like devotion to jumps.
>>341816729
>Nah, TTYD is better in every way.
You're welcome to your own opinion, but normal people like myself don't consider "backtrack through the level over and over" to be good chapter design.
>In an alternate universe, Paper Mario became a huge spinoff franchise with its own universe
>After TTYD, they went on to make many more titles like it, with new stories, characters, and battle mechanics
>Returning characters from old titles and speculation of characters returning in MGS style theories
>Instead we are stuck in this reality with sticker shit and shit splash
>finish shitcker star
>throw corporate party to pat self on back for killing yet another beloved nintendo franchise
>hmm what wacky paper antics should mario get into this time
>well my 2 year old son likes painting
>wow perfect, ok let's start development
>what about the fans who want another like the first two paper marios
>shouldn't we listen to them...
>lol tell them to fuck off play the mario and luigi series
Bravo nintendo
>>341817063
Nobody cares autismo
>>341817063
PM had the same issue.
>>341816804
>Well yeah in lore they are meant to not be real "characters"
that's like saying "sticker stars battles are fine because they're not meant to be real "battles""
>all opinion because i considered the various places pretty neat in design as well as many characters being pretty colorful as well
characters being colorful is literally only a + if you're a children, they're still awful random looking geometry shapes mashed together.
>They are in every paper mario game because all you have to do is use one tactic to win.
are spm the only games you've played orrrr?
>i see no problem with this
it's a fucking platformer
>better then the other end of the scale with castlevania like devotion to jumps.
"it's better than this other pile of trash"
>>341817435
No.
>>341817435
except it literally did not
>>341817480
Yes. If anything it was worse in 64
>>341817585
Wrong.
>>341817640
Correct. Deal with it
>>341817285
Why are Paper Mario fans such thin skinned faggots?
If the first two games are so fucking good...why not play them?
>>341817720
Prove it, captain.
>>341817767
Because we already beat them multiple times
>>341817767
They're so good I've between them both multiple times. I'd prefer if they just let the series die peacefully instead of deliberately making shitty additions with the same art style and name.
>>341817767
Anon the 2 have been out for over 10 years.
I've played them many times. Every game gets old after awhile. I now only replay them once every couple years
Also I doubt everyone would be so butthurt if it wasnt for the continual unfortunate chain of events
>>341817446
>that's like saying "sticker stars battles are fine because they're not meant to be real "battles""
Except they are meant to be real battle which is why SS is trash
>they're still awful random looking geometry shapes mashed together.
Exactly it's meant to look foreign considering this isn't the usual Mario dimension.
>are spm the only games you've played orrrr?
No i played them all and the combat is easily broken in all of them. In the first two all you ddo is put levels into BP and basically become invincible removing all difficulty from the game
>it's a fucking platformer
yes but like every other paper mario none of them are very precise platformer.
>"it's better than this other pile of trash"
literally putting words where they dont belong but whatever.
>>341817767
We do. That's not the issue. Most PM fans I've ever talked to replay the first two games at least once a year. The issue is it's always the same two games, and they never change. They possibilities for new good PM games are endless, but they're stuck driving the fucking IP into the ground with stickershit no one fucking wanted.
>>341817767
Because I do.
That doesn't make me want a new Paper Mario in that style any less.
I mean with this logic why not just burn all evidence of TTYD existing and just play 64 24/7 365 days a year since it's good. We clearly don't need more than one good thing.
>>341813658
you what
>>341818023
>yes but like every other paper mario none of them are very precise platformer.
thats because SPM is the only one that is a platformer..?
>>341818036
So the series changed into something you don't like, therefor you must piss your diapers over it.
>>341814576
wouldn't be a problem in TTYD, especially with the boat and plane and shit. It'd be fine if they weren't constantly like LOL GUYS IT'S FUCKING PAPER GET IT WE ARE IN A BOOOOOK AAHAHAHAHAHAH
It's not an inherently bad design choice, but it's annoying as fuck to be reminded of it every 22 seconds.
>>341818161
Why not put effort into your shitposts
>>341818161
>Series has good formula
>Suddenly series takes a turn for the worst and becomes horrible
>People complain
I don't see the problem. Using a baby pissing analogy doesn't make it non-valid.
>>341817767
uh we do?
and i could ask the same question to other series too, anon.
>If GoW3 so fucking good...why not play them?
>If the Metroid Prime trilogy is so fucking good...why not play them?
>If Star Fox 64 and Assault are so fucking good...why not play them?
>>341818307
Good thing Mario and Luigi still has that formula.
>>341813219
Someone actually made a change.org petition after that interview to make that happen.
Not that it will affect anything, but it still managed to get quite a few signatures.
>>341818408
Why fucking bitch so hard about the bad games then? Fucking get over it.
No, all you assholes ever do is bitch because they made something you don't want.
Chapter 1
>no backtracking in PM and TTYD
Chapter 2
>Backtracking in PM and TTYD, about the same amount
Chapter 3
>Minor backtracking in PM, no backtracking in TTYD
Chapter 4
>Massive backtracking in both
Chapter 5
>Backtracking in PM and TTYD, slightly more in the latter due to the Chuckola
Chapter 6
>Massive backtracking in PM, minor backtracking in TTYD
Chapter 7
>Minor backtracking in PM, massive backtracking in TTYD due to General White
Chapter 8
>No backtracking in both
They're about even up until Chapter 7 and General White happens.
>>341818430
>hasn't gotten a good M&L since SSS
>>341818430
Different series with different mechanics. Its good but I don't find them as fun as paper mario
>>341818161
You had some good bait going, it's such a shame to see you blow it like this
>>341818430
No, it doesn't
>Portable TTYD
>Gamecube games on a fucking handheld
Fuck, that would be dank
>>341818161
that's so fucking retarded. fans who are fond of the first two are going to make their opinions heard, especially after they show how fucking inept they are in intervews, acting like no one misses the first two.
>>341818521
>Why fucking bitch so hard about the bad games then? Fucking get over it.
because it's fucking shit and i want Nintendo to go back to where it was good.
>>No, all you assholes ever do is bitch because they made something you don't want.
yes and?
tell me anon, are you one of the 3 people buying Federation Force?
>>341818521
Because we want to see the series change back and making good games again? It is a normal response.
Sounds to me like you are just sick of hearing people complain, which if you are, get off the internet. We aren't going to bend over backyards for you because you are too autistic to not click a thread you don't like.
>>341818501
i really wish people would just stop with that shit. it doesn't mean fucking anything and it's just embarrassing
>>341818524
>Chapter 3
> no backtracking in TTYD
I would count "not going fucking anywhere" as a level worse than backtracking.
>>341818524
You forgot some major details
PM's chapter two has basically no backtracking due to how vast the desert is, and how there's few enemies.
Meanwhile TTYD has you go along the same stretch with a good amount of enemies, 3.5 times, and contains minor backtracking in the tree.
Also PM's chapter 4 had basically none due to the trains.
>Calling PM chapter 6's backtracking massive
Its the worst case in the game but nothing like General white's
I'd say it's only about as bad as Boggly woods if that.
>>341818861
It's not a list of chapter quality. Just the amount of backtracking.
>>341818861
You don't need to me traveling and walking to have valid gameplay. They tried something new and it was a battle and story focused chapter and it worked. One of the favorites among fans
>>341819070
I'm just saying it's not fair to say there's no backtracking when there's no "forward tracking" in the first place. I mean, the only problem with backtracking in the first place is doing the same thing over and over again which is what Chapter 3 is.
>>341819027
Even then flowerfields isn't really backtracking, it's more like a dungeon with a hub. Boggly woods, the Cortez island and the fucking creepy steeple are all just corridors which you walk back and forth through over and over.
I still love both, and TTYD definitely has some improvements over PM, but PM still blows it out in terms of level design.
>>341818524
Let's do this in a simple way.
>no backtracking is +0 points
>Minor is +1
>Backtracking is +2
>Major is +3
>Golf score rules
>Ch 1
0/0
>Ch 2
2/2
>Ch 3
3/2
>Ch 4
6/5
>Ch 5
8/7.5 due to the "slightly more" comment
>Ch 6
11/8.5
>Ch 7
12/11.5
>Ch 8
12/11.5
So in the end by those counts, Thousand Year Door has less backtracking.
>>341819564
please stop being fucking retarded
I find the fact Paper Mario fans get shat on funny because of how elitist fans of Baby's First RPG can be.
Also, these are the same assholes who think Super Paper Mario is good for some reason when it's just IntSys smelling it's own farts for a few hours. Gonna buy Color Splash just to piss people off.
>Not playing TYYD in glorious HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7l-kFKKIb4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7IzdUJDCxQ
>>341819372
Repetitive =/= Backtracking, end of story. Plus if you want to go down that road, 64 has plenty of repetitive shit we could call it out on.
>>341819372
If there's no forward tracking, there's no backtracking. How is this an argument.
>>341819564
I made the list and I personally believe TTYD had more backtracking. General White has to be the most tedious thing ever.
>>341819682
>Going through the same area 20 times isn't backtracking.
I'm laffin' mate.
>>341819672
>that stretched HUD
i don't suppose there's a version that doesn't do that?
>>341819670
No, it's my job to be a retard.
>>341819795
Eh, I kind of liked the General White segment a bit, can't quite tell you why.
>>341815624
I bet you if Color Splash sells horribly it's the last we'll see of Paper Mario for a very very long time
It is a possibility
>>341819920
>Stretched HUD
Judging by the FPS counter size, pretty sure that's due to his screen size.
>>341819970
It's a good joke, conceptually, because "hurrdurr, he was home all along and he won't wake up when I jump on him" but after the first time, it's just tedious as shit.
>>341816614
There is a retexture of the original Paper Mario floating around somewhere.
Needless to say it's hideous looking, like all official nintendo remakes.
The original PM style needs a retrace, instead of a TTYD texture swap that just ends up looking out of place as fuck.
>>341819672
>the HUD uses that ugly as sin font
Any way to change that back?
>>341819795
>If there's no forward tracking, there's no backtracking. How is this an argument.
Because your comparison which includes only backtracking doesn't take into account that it is physically impossible for backtracking to exist when TTYD's chapter 3 had no level to actually backtrack in. You're correct on a technical level (I never said 3 had backtracking), but you're making a pointless comparison that paints TTYD in a better light. It's lying with statistics.
>>341819970
>Eh, I kind of liked the General White segment a bit, can't quite tell you why.
how many times have you played TTYD? the first time I played it none of the back tracking really got to me except creepy steeple, even the general white mission
it's every subsequent playthrough that it gets worse and worse.
>>341819564
That anons list you based your shitty scoring system on is flawed as fuck
>64 fags think they have any sort of argument of their game being better after seeing this pic
>>341813219
You can do both of those things, at the same time, on Dolphin though.
>>341820325
>muh graphics.
Don't you have a Sony thread to get back to?
>>341820325
>Caring about graphics
I admit, it's painful, but the game is still awesome.
Also,
>New Paper Mario fag is on hiatus again while he scrapes money together doing art for another game
When's Paper Luigi
>>341817480
>>341817540
Backtracking does become an issue already at chapter 4. Shy Guys toybox, flower fields and the Jungle are hideous at it.
>>341820247
Or to put it another way, it would be a far more fair comparison for all of the chapters to look at "Amount of explorable level minus amount of backtracking" instead of just backtracking. Your way is like looking at gun deaths without also comparing the amount of guns used in self defense -- it ignores half of the relevant data.
Even Japanese fans hated SS and Colour Splash isn't winning them either.
>>341819671
>Gonna buy Color Splash just to piss people off.
WOOOOOO, yeah! you tell em chap! doing Kimishima's work here, Rosalina bless you!
>>341820797
Wasn't SS the best selling game in Japan?
>>341820867
In japan portables are ever so much more popular than consoles
>>341818521
shut up you dweeb
>>341820068
>I bet you if Color Splash sells horribly it's the last we'll see of Paper Mario for a very very long time
if Nintendo not willing to do proper games anymore, so be it.
better off dead than living like Sonic and Spyro (shitty to mediocre experimental titles each other year)
>>341820325
completely different art styles. the right is just literally sprites. left is vector art that was saved at a low res because of the limitations of the hardware.
actually a TTYD remaster would probably be extremely easy for intsys if they still have the original assets, since the game's art is vector based illustrations. it's just a matter of going back and saving them all at a higher resolution than original. no real "remastmering" would really have to be done
>>341820867
it was also hated in Japan. Tons of twitter posters saw the livestream of CS and they were going, "WHY?!"
>>341820650
How would that even play out, though
A new Paper Mario in the style of TTYD would just suck in these neo-Nintendo times desu, and treehouse would just meme it up.
>>341820721
factually incorrect. backtracking isn't backtracking if you're not constantly bombarded with encounters that you've already done.
>>341821021
People want a literal retread of Luigi's story from TTYD, despite the entire plot and partners being spoiled leaving no surprises and half of the chapters not making sense from a gameplay perspective.
>>341821197
Wow, you mean like in Super Mario RPG and both Paper Mario RPGs?
>>341819672
God damn that is fucking beautiful, why can't the new Paper Mario games look like this?
>>341821287
It is still backtracking, but you also need to consider the quality of the backtracking as you said, unlike >>341818524 and >>341819564.
>>341821315
The people who translated the Mario RPGs then are not the people who "translate" them now.
>>341815232
>SPM sold that many
Holy shit where did those extra 2 million come from.
>>341821485
the Wii
>>341821485
Huge install base of the Wii.
Thirsty Paper Mario fans and the Wii being game-starved in general.
Same reasons why Stick Star sold at all.
>>341821485
the wii sold 100 million consoles anon
>>341819672
Y'know, I can tell the difference, but it isn't all that overwhelming. How did TTYD look so fucking good for a Gamecube game?
>Go ahead and look around if there is an HD pack for Paper Mario beside New Paper Mario (Figured there wasn't but why not look.)
>Find a Polygon Article that says this about it
>EU Anniversary is October this year
Is... Is there hope?
>>341821485
>>341821548
>>341821607
>>341821629
Even aside from the Wii's huge install base, I'd say the main factor was that it was the followup to the most popular one in the series. Same exact thing with Brawl. So people assumed we'd get the greatness of that.
>>341821862
not really, he said that was a best case scenario and his target but by no means is it a concrete release date
>>341822283
>toads aren't all red-spotted and wearing the same clothes
triggered
Unpopular opinion- I have played every Paper Mario except Super, beaten TTYD and Sticker Star and in hindsight I enjoyed the combat in SS over TTYD. Mainly because of how quick the battles went and I didn't have to worry about conserving FP, stickers actually spiced up the gameplay. Also gaining exp was such a hassle especially for the 101 Trials, which I have never finished. I won't buy Color Splash but I certainly can't say I didn't have fun with Sticker Star.
>>341822470
That was kind of debunked by the fact they aren't even all red-spotted in Color Splash, bro.
![Nintendo-E3-2011-shigeru-miyamoto-ms-pulling-mad-rm-verge-1000[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ehatoQJ.jpg "Nintendo-E3-2011-shigeru-miyamoto-ms-pulling-mad-rm-verge-1000[1].jpg")
>>341822470
forgot pic
>>341822692
There are two types of general Toad NPC. One is the red kind, then the other kind is in that retarded weird costume shit. Those are green or blue. There's no variance other than that. Specific story related NPCs like the green and yellow toads for that 5 guys fiasco are set apart due to story, but as for general NPCs the toads all look like.
>>341823103
I do agree there, I just meant the red-spotted part.
>>341822713
wrong pic
>ywn pound Vivian's bussy
>>341824463
female partners fuckable to least
bow, goombella, mowz, vivian, bombette, flurrie, sushi
(not counting watt because idk the fuck you fuck a baby sun)
>>341824463
Who is the yellow girl? the Don's daughter or the koopa's girlfriend?
>>341821197
They could rerelease meme run with "Paper Memeo" on the box and I would enjoy it more than the direction the series is going in now.
>>341813219
Can't you softmod a Wii U to play Gamecube games?
Pls respond
>>341825432
Yes
>>341818524
>chuckola
Are you sure you aren't thing about SSS, anon?
>>341825547
Awesome, I presume it's a case of softmodding 'Wii mode'.
If you could make it so you could boot up a Wii U with a Pro controller (fuck the tablet), and easily load a Gamecube game, that would be amazing.
>>341825721
There's a part where Bobbery wants a bottle of Chuckola Cola.
>>341825721
Doesn't Bobbery ask for a Chuckola Cola as his dying wish?
>>341824935
GET OUT
>>341825547
>>341825737
Wait, can you really? I modded my Wii U's virtual wii to have homebrew, but the only controller that works with it is a wii mote, no pro controller or gamepad support for any emulation i put on there. Is it possible to mod it so I can use either WUP or WUGP?
>>341825737
Nintendont supports the pro controller, besides the gamepad is unuseable in wii mode. You would need at least a wiimote to enter wii mode without it though.
>>341826013
Not him but I'm a huge TTYD fan and have no idea who the fuck that is.
how long until we make an Other M-style infallible infograph on why Sticker Star/Color Splash is shit?
seem to be working fine with the Star Fox Zero one
>>341813219
Thousand Year Door was a huge disappointment for me and I dont think it deserves a remake.
>>341826357
>You would need at least a wiimote to enter wii mode without it though
Which I don't like
>>341826348
I wasn't implying you could, I was saying it would be good if you could
>>341826363
>>341824935
Play 64 you babbies
>>341826581
So then sushi or watt because It says TTYD so i assumed it was exclusive to that.
>>341826581
considering the rest of them are from ttyd, it would be safe to assume the last one is as well
it took me a while to realize the last one is watt
by the way you're a faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlcNubU6bYA
Why isnt there a new infographic for color splash outlining the outrageous madwoman comments made in this interview?
>Paper Mario
>Ever
SUPER MARIO RPG OR NOTHING!
>>341826902
this
>why three similar princesses when we have Peach?
>why two damsels when Peach exists? (They still put Pauline in her own line of Classic DK spinoffs.
>>341827529
M&LRPG exists
So like Star Fox, Paper Mario dies with the Wii U.
Sad it has to end this way but I guess it's for the best. Could you imagine how Nintendo would fuck up Paper Mario even worse than Color Splash? Other than turning it into a F2P mobile game?
Oh no...
>>341815232
>Sticker Star outsold TTYD
Gamecube had a much smaller install base than the 3DS, though and many bought blindly into the "new paper mario" hype.
>>341818521
It's our fucking constitutional right to complain when they're fucking up this bad.
>>341818861
Gitz Pit was awesome, focuses on battles more than fetch quests, which is a fresh change.
>>341819027
>PM's chapter two has basically no backtracking due to how vast the desert is, and how there's few enemies.
You're fucking retarded. you can say that because you know where to go and can find the motherfucking temple with ease. Be on your first play-through and chapter 2 is a hellish place.
>>341826813
>>341826748
You know what they say about assuming!
Makes ango fuck yourself
>>341828765
If you follow the fucking directions and arent retarded its not
>>341821485
SPM was actually good, well not gameplay wise but the story made it up.
>>341821197
Why is toad in the killer instinct continue screen?
>TTYD's Chapter 4 made you backtrack through the forest 5 times
>Chapter 5 made you backtrack through the forest 7 times (5 times if you somehow had the foresight to pick up the coconut beforehand)
>it even makes you go back to the same jungle again so you can advance the plot and access Chapter 6
>Chapter 7 was the sole embodiment of "we ran out of budget" with the whole General White shit, the gimped snow and space areas, and a rehashed end-chapter boss
>Chapter 2 was just boring
The game is perfect guys!!!
>>341813452
I like the remasters that make the UI smoother or trim off some of the bullshit from the original game. The Ocarina of Time 3D was a solid improvement over the original, it just sucked that it was on a shitty 3DS screen.
>>341818524
>massive backtracking in TTYD due to General White
What are "The Blue pipes in the sewer?"
>>341826013
>>341826581
Not him but shouldn't she be all pink rather than all yellow?
>>341830182
Seriously this so hard, I never understood the General White hate.
>>341830182
They speed up the backtracking, they don't remove the core of the issue.
>>341824463
>not THICK
faggot
>>341831028
Never said it removed it, but that specific part is always blown out of proportion because retards didn't use the blue pipes. It takes maybe 2 minutes to do the entire quest.
>>341824463
Gaper Mario anon.
>>341827665
Neo Paper Mario infected that too
>>341831423
>It takes maybe 2 minutes to do the entire quest.
Nigga, it takes 1 minute, full 60 seconds of your life just jumping to wake him up
>>341819671
Lol I've played a shitload of RPGs such as Final Fantasy and Etrian Odyssey and I still fucking love PM games as RPGs.
>>341820721
But those are the best levels of the game. SGT especially.
