I need some help. How do you take cities in Civ V without incurring a warmonger penalty for the rest of the game?
I like to play as Rome, and with Rome you have a power spike as soon as you start building Legions/Ballista. Naturally I want to use that power spike to conquer shit and build myself up a lead before they become obsolete. The problem is if I ever take so much as one city in 300 AD, the rest of the game my diplomacy is fucking ruined because everyone hates me and there's no way to change that.
What do?
Disregard diplomacy, take advantage of your military lead, and keep conquering.
Or, if you care about diplomacy, then stop conquering.
make a trade deal with a civ to declare war on a city state then liberate it to remove the warmonger penalty
>nerdshit
>>341808410
Wait, so if you liberate a city state your warmonger penalty disappears? Seriously?
>>341807891
stack units on their borders. when they ask 'hey if you're gonna attack me just fucking do it' say yes, declare war. it counts as them attacking you
exterminating an entire civ is also a bad idea for diplomacy. i like to let a city state take the last city
>>341808601
yeah
>>341808672
I already do this, but taking their cities gives me a "MAJOR WARMONGERING" penalty anyway.
>Penalized for taking cities
And people wonder why civ 5 is trash baka just baka desu
>>341809030
well, failing that, you can use the liberate trick. there's always one city state taken by a civ early on
failing that, burn them until there is naught but ash
>>341809140
the reply of an anon who is trash
I defy you to show me a better randomly generated starting position that isn't the perfect spain opener
>mfw EXTREME warmonger
>>341809447
>nearby jungle
>>341809447
If you don't settle on that fucking hill I will kill you.
>>341809754
the one with the sheep? ok!
>spain
>balanced
pick uno
Get a good start, turtle up, and focus on science until artillery and then start taking cities. That's how you play this boring ass game.
>>341810131
try a harder difficulty friendo
>>341810131
I don't have a problem with winning. It's just that it's unsatisfying to have to destroy everyone because they all think you're a warmonger because you annexed Thebes 1800 years ago. It's funner to have like 'world wars' where you have cliques of likeminded civs in locked in realpolitik struggles with each other for control of the world.
>>341810393
thats pretty much it up to immortal. immortal you need to follow a strict build, but the opportune time for war is when you get Dynamite. AI cannot into 3 spaces
Mods. Seriously the worst aspect of the game, they punish you for playing aggressively.
>>341809754
Why?
>>341810560he likes you anon
There's a workshop mod that greatly reduces the penalty for it. Pretty easy to find.
>>341807891
You delete the casual trash heap that is Civ 5 and play superior Civ 4 instead. That's what you should be doing.
>>341809545
>he doesn't like jungle
>laughingBrazilians.jpg
>>341810560
+1 hammer for F R E E for the rest of the game
You miss out on a windmill but they come too late and cost too much investment for what they give back.
>>341809754
Don't listen to this faggot, settle on top of the marble instead.
>>341807891
Play a better game with non-broken AI.
Like Civilization IV.
>>341810560
Building on a hill gives extra hammers, which are much more important than food at the start of the game. Especially for Shoshone who can easily get 2 bonus pop from goody huts
>playing Civ 5 SP without Community Balance Patch
>playing Civ 5 MP without NQMod
>>341810024
>be Spain
>start off near Mt Sinai
>rush shrine so I get the first pantheon and pick +4 Faith from natural wonders
>find out that this bonus is also doubled by the Spainish ability
>when worked Mt Sinai pumps out 24 Faith a turn
>rush Theology and build all the religious wonders before anyone else can
>spread Catholicism to the entire world while conquering any holy cities so I can purge them of heretics
>>341811267
>rush shrine
Why not just buy a settler and settle sinai then work it for a turn?
What's a good time setting to finish a game in a weekend?
>>341811714
The present
>>341811714
You could probably finish on epic.
>>341810874
I want so much to like this game. Civ 4 was better for its time, but I don't know. I have Civ5 and the irrational Ai and bullshit mechanics hurt this game (I have Vanilla, to hell with $65 for 2 expansions).
No OP. I read this thread and now reinstalling game. I get pissed off by the manic AI though.
Didn't one of the devs for this game dump on all the things that were wrong about it (happiness and weak late-game)?
>>341812602
Yeah and they tried to fix it with BNW. Take solace that they at least admitted it had flaws instead of saying it was perfect.
How do your games usually end up going?
I almost always pick Bismarck or Ausgustus, in a huge map, with 18 civs. Turtle until Landsknecht or Legions, take my neighbors best cities and then turtle the rest of the game building every wonder.
The game ends when I get the freedom Ideology with the trade agreements thing that improves relationships with city states who you have a trade route with, become allies with every city state on the map, and vote myself leader of the world.
>>341814205
>Freedom ideology
>>341814205
I play a lot of England. Steal techs and bide my time until Ship of the Line, at which point I win.
>>341814205
I always play on marathon, huge continental maps as a trade heavy naval civ. I fucking love playing as Portugal or the Netherlands.
I turtle while rushing colossus and if possible Petra. Always have my trade ships generating mega bucks and wait for mid game when navy's begin to get good.
Late game naval wars are the funnest shit, especially against other humans.
I don't know why i love marathon so much.
>>341808672
>i like to let a city state take the last city
How?
>>341812602
>$65 for two expansions
>he didn't just buy the full edition for $15 during a sale
>>341816080
The city state has to have enough units to break through the smidgen of health the city will have. It's not exactly common if you aren't trying to force it, but it happens.
> Be korea
> Chilling egypt, since I took mediteranean map, roll up in silver dosh, expand like a mad cunt
> Suddenly, Frenchies from algeria start settling shitty cities in the few gaps of my frontiers
> Then, he tells me to stop settling near him
> Call back all my armies spanking barbarians to ruin the fucker
> "It's just a prank bro, here, take an additional city!"
> Enjoy my three puppet shit cities
> Moving on to end middle ages
> Catch a french spy
> "It was just a prank, bro!"
> It happens three fucking times
> He also sends his niggers convert my population to filthy catholicism rather than superior confusianism
> Ruin three cities with medieval rocket launchers
> Push his shit in the seas as well
> "Just a prank, just a prank, here, have a peace treaty and complementary city!
> New city is close to Paris
> Settle a citadel, and let my rocket launchers in range of the capital
He's been pretty quiet since then. Sure, former austriabros now hate me, but they're far enough, and all the other civs can't stop me from settling colonies to get coal. I forgot it was so fun but goddamnit I swear if that nigger Napoleon sends me one more fucking spy, I will turn Paris in a smoldering crater.
Reply that ends with 3 determines what Civ I play as next.
Civ V with all DLC.
>>341818617
Aztecs
>>341809447
Babylon on the coast, surrounded by jungle, and near a mountain and a river wins by turn 200 by just doing nothing.
>>341818617
Your least-favorite civ.
>>341818617
Nippon
>>341818617
The Songhai Niggers
>>341818617
Venice
>>341818617
England.
>>341818617
Iroquois
>>341807891
If you're going war, you should expect penalties. It also has an unexpected effect. Since if you become a warmonger, everyone denounces you. Then when they declare war on you, you do not incur penalties for starting the war.
There's also other ways to skirt war penalties. Denouncing someone before you attack lessens the penalty of going to war. And if someone dislikes the Civ you attack, they become more friendly towards you for denouncing them. Finally, if you liberate cities, your warmonger points are lessen or even eliminated. There's actually ways to get people to like you more by going to war.
>>341820213
FUCK
>>341820354
Enjoy.
>>341820396
How to Iroquois?
>>341820489
It's like playing a vanilla civ, except their unique building is worse than what it replaces. Maybe try playing on Boreal map or something.
>>341820489
Rush Longhouse and Mohawk Warrior. And since you;re going the bottom path, also rush Notre Dame. Focus on making as many cities as you can as well as spamming out Mohawk Warriors. With the Mohawk Warriors, you'll be pretty much impossible to attack until the AI gets Musketmen. Play defensively and just keep building cities until you have around 12-14. Go Order, then just sit back, build buildings and rush a space of diplomatic victory.
If you get a religion, go Pagodas and Mosques to further help your happiness. Happiness from temples and shrines if the others aren't available.
>>341820893
>just keep building cities
>until you have around 12-14
I thought you were pretty much always supposed to build tall and not wide?
>>341821347
Going wide works if you plan for it. Issue is Iroquois need all that clay. Ascetism isn't a bad choice. Pagidas are a must
Still can't upgrade Battleships to Missile Cruisers for some reason
>>341821556
I'm not too good at wide, but what is like the best amount to have minimum.
About to start campaign.
Can I PLEASE get just ONE MORE expansion?
>>341822319
If you don't have at least eight cities when going wide you're doing it wrong, and if you're not doing ICS and capping your cities off at 4 citizens you're really doing it wrong.
>>341822578
No. Fuck you. We Civ 6 and XCOM 3 now.
>>341822649
ICS?
>>341822679
You mean Civ 5.75, right?
>>341822857
Infinite city sprawl. It's basically a cheese strat. I don't find it very fun, personally.
>>341822578
>Wanting an expansion for an expansion
![1700ad[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7SScFju.jpg "1700ad[1].jpg")
>>341822857
Padawan you would never survive against a human or above Settler.
>>341822973
I play on King and win consistently doe.
>>341823164
Oh, you play on Settler 5, good for you.
>>341823164
Just so you're aware, V only has three modes:
1-5 = Beginner
6/Human = Real strats
7-8 = RNG hell because if you don't get the right start with the right resources with the right wonders you auto-lose before the Renaissance
>>341822973
What the fuck are all those tile improvements?
They look like manufacturies but theres no way you could build that many of them.
>>341823452
>there's no way you could build that many of them
Anon, I...
This is what I got and today I will try 6.
Wish me luck anon.
Darius is good for war right?
I'm playing him now and not sure how to expand,
I figure I'll try to win a diplomatic victory with Greece or Sweden next time. But, I want one more conquest run.
What do you all think of Byzantine?
>>341821347
Some civs do better wide, some do better tall. Iriquois can do both, but that's mostly because they don't have any unique that benefit from one or the other. If you intend to go military or science with them, wider is better. If you get a godly forest start, then going tall and wonder spamming would probably be best.
>>341823968
See that tile to the Northwest of your warrior?
If you had settled there you would have had more land, a river, the cotton, fewer tundra tiles, and been within two tiles of the mountain. You're going to need more than luck, friend.
>>341824075
Darius is for war, Byzantine is the worst civ in the game.
>>341823968
>not having grid on
>not having resources showing on grid
Come on anonKeep us updated anon
>all this shit comes with the community balance patch
What should I enable? everything?
>>341824452
>not playing glorious unpatched vanilla release civ 5
>>341824452
Disable tech trading
Everything else is fine
>>341824204
>Byzantine is the worst civ in the game.
Why? Like playing as them or playing against them?
I've only had them as a neighbor and they were okay until I over ran them.
Please Elaborate.
>>341824590
Playing as them, obviously.
>>341824590
Their UA is practically worthless and their UUs are absolutely worthless because you can't win with a navy early-game on higher difficulties because of how much production ships eat and how fragile they are to damage. They're a joke of a civ, as bad as the Iroquois and Danes.
>playing Songhai last game
>standard map, continents, nothing unusual
>after a while start getting some serious graphical bugs
>save and quit, come back to it the next day
>everything's going well
>after a while game starts slowing down and taking forever to process simple things
>get tired of it and quit
>come back later
>game's running fine for a while but then starts lagging again
>at one point it flat out crashed
I swear that particular game was cursed. I've never had a match fuck up that often.
>>341824824
>>341824204
Denmark is the worst civ in the game. I'd also put Carthage up there for many of the same reasons you listed for Byzantium. But at least Byzantium has a choice between going early exploration with ships on water or a moderately strong horseman on land. Dido is basically only good for an island map. And even then, plenty of civs are better than Carthage.
>>341814205
Try to get a big scientific lead and save up money until I can make a battleship. Then use my massive treasury to buy the alliance of every city state and go full warmonger. Park my battleship outside a coastal city and keep bombarding it until it's near zero health than take it with a privateer.
>>341824204
>>341825143
Civ V noob here. What do you think of Japan?
>>341826036
If you survive to make Zeros, you literally dominate the game.
>>341826036
Great idea, but you never start near any fish or atolls. Even after 10 restarts, it always places me on empty ocean. Then I restart the game as someone else like Inca.....fish everywhere.
Samurai are also kind of lackluster. Even after they fixed it so they upgrade to Rifleman, there's still nothing special about them. You have about 10 turns where Samurai dominate, then all AI get musketmen and you're just fighting on equal footing. Samurai really should have had an extra upgrade when you build them.
>>341826589
>late game
>mfw setting a one tile island surrounded by atolls and fish
naisu desu
