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This is a picture of a man who's accepted defeat. Through his eyes he witnesses the Xbox One S, and from the dreadful sorrow of his soul he's given up. Look at his eyes and how sad he looks, he's a shadow of his former "My Body Is Ready" Reggie of 2009. The NX won't succeed, it just can't compete with consoles about to transcend into the PC hemisphere. May his soul rest in peace.
>>341803690
Iwata's Bushido to take his own life was a noble one. New Zelda is probably the best looking one since Wind Waker.
>Reggie said graphics don't matter, the Wii was a massive success and had weak hardware when asked about when the Wii U will be behind
>The Wii U failed miserably
>"For us it's not about specs!"
>Reggie on the NX going up against Sony and MS
>>341803690
>consoles about to transcend into the PC hemisphere
Why didn't they do that in 2013?
>>341803690
Punished Reggie, a dev denied his glory
>>341803690
Doesn't look sad to me. Looks like he's sizing up the competition. He even looks like he's suppressing a sneer. Raggie isn't the type to get sad over competition. He's the lunkhead type who will get even more determined and take it on directly.
>>341804407
That's a JUST face if I ever saw one.
>>341803690
>I've made a terrible mistake
You can almost hear the laughter of sega in the background.
>>341804389
>reggie
>a dev
>>341804281
The Wii was a phenomenon by accident.
The NX's name it's pretty edgy, it's not playful like the Wii which means Nintendo is about to become what made the N64 era so amazing... but the PC market is destroying in competitive gaming, that's the epicenter of LetsPlay Youtubers and overall gaming culture.
> transcend into the PC hemisphere
Console fags don't really believe this do they?
Pretty sure he's listening to that guy on the right's opinion and being sad about the state of the industry.
>>341804814
>filename
lol
>>341804756
>Punished Reggie, a COO denied his glory
It just rolls off the tongue.
>>341804814
I wouldn't be surprised if many kids moved onto PC gaming as well after LPers honestly. The Wii was definitely a fluke and that market moved onto iOS gaming.
>>341804915
While staring at what will outsell the NX.
>>341804734
Modern Sega > modern Nintendo
>>341804915
Yeah he probably said to Reggie
>"You're fucked dude... just back out now before it's too late, your company sucks and so do you, and your wife is a whore"
His face.
>>341804902
> A forlorn laughter that is mixed with coughing up its own blood as it enters its final death throes.
> Nothing exciting from Sega, just the same boring shit.
> AM2 and other internal studios pretty much dead.
> 10 years and still no new Virtua Fighter.
>>341805276
> Focused on Kancolle, Pachinko, and mobile shit.
> Dead internal studios.
> Publishing other people's games and IPs.
> Cheap, miserly, generic and boring; Modern Sega's guiding principles.
>>341803690
Nintendo's problem is their stationary console only have North America left.
Europe doesn't give a fuck.
Japan hated the N64, Gamecube and Wii U.
And the really big problem is they are cornered by smartphones in all markets.
The fact that Xbox since the 360 had grown huge in USA doesn't help Nintendo, USA was supposed to be Nintendo's last bastion.
And the fact that Playstation is getting revived in USA doesn't help Nintendo either.
They are pressured from all fronts.
>>341806192
The Yakuza, SMT and Persona series absolutely leave Nintendo's recent games for dead.
>>341804281
>>341804407
>>341804637
You're a fucking moron if you think the higher ups in Japan keep Reggie up to date about the NX.
"Of only our Wii U was just reasonably strong like this 300 dollar Xbox, our Zelda game would look so much better".
>>341806435
>Japan hated Wii U
>In May 2016, Splatoon was announced to be the most successful new intellectual property (IP) in Japan since Wii Sports.
http://www.gamnesia.com/news/splatoon-is-gamings-most-successful-new-ip-in-japan-since-the-wii-sports-li
>>341806952
This. Reggie knows nothing about the NX. He's just a marketing guy.
>>341803690
Can you blame him? Nintendo of Japan probably doesn't tell him anything. He's just a figurehead for US operations.
>>341807452
Only Murrifats are into that abomination.
>>341806952
You're a complete fucking moron if you don't think the President of NoA doesn't even know what the NX is. Like you seriously have brain damage to even suggest that.
>>341807567
Major third parties and all the higher-ups know what NX is. There is a 0% chance that Reggie doesn't know. He's not some bumbling idiot who mops the floor, he's the president of their entire fucking NoA branch.
He showed up to e3 with one game and won
He's got nothing to worry about and that xbox s is the same as the one, so, he's known about such hardware on the market for awhile now
>>341807754
>>341807941
You guys are fucking retarded. How old are you? Go look up the relationship between Sega of Japan and Sega of America throughout the Saturn and Dreamcast days. Japanese companies love to keep American branches in the dark.
I think he just looks bored.
>>341808056
>and won
You nintendrones are dedicated to this narrative.
>>341808129
So Ubisoft and EA and Activision know, yet the HIGHEST FUCKING PERSON ON THEIR AMERICAN BRANCH doesn't? Holy shit, you're a fucking idiot.
>>341808056
>won
>>341803690
>he's a shadow of his former "My Body Is Ready" Reggie of 2009
2007, you imposter.
Nintendo need to build hype around the NX, which they have not done at all. Many don't even know the fucking thing exists.
Not revealing the NX at E3 was a Key Bumble, leading to Nintendo being pushed even further into irrelevance by Sony and MS.
>>341804814
>The Wii was a phenomenon by accident.
No, it was a smart blue ocean business strategy that they had been cooking up since the gamecube. Was the DS an accident too? Stop talking about things you don't know retard
>>341807941
Problem is the wider gaming community does not.
>>341808286
gameplay > movie trailers
>>341804289
they like the old paradigm
ideally the want you in a walled garden so they can extract monopoly rents
>>341806929
Two of those are not even Sega IP while Yakuza reuses assets and has no mainstream appeal outside of Japan.
>>341803690
I don't understand why the Nintendo game design philosophy and a powerful game console have to be mutually exclusive. Why not merge both?
>>341808370
Nintendo defense force inbound.
>>341808129
NTD is located in Redmond, Washington you braindead moron.
You are beyond delusional to think the president of NoA doesn't know, which would also mean that by consequence literally no one on their entire American branch knows. How can any mentally stable human even say this retarded shit?
>>341808129
We're talking about nintendo :)
>>341808456
Except Sony showed more gameplay while Nintendo literately showed more toys!
>>341808697
They do though? Sega owns Atlus now.
>reuses assets
And yet they've made more compelling, content filled games than Nintendo lately!
>>341808715
Nintendo's design philosophy is essentially conservative which is why their last two consoles were underpowered.
>>341808903
Sony showed a lot of trailers and spewed a lot of shit, like every year. Nintendo stuck to gameplay and generated more buzz than anyone else by doing nothing, like every year.
>>341808903
Prerecorded scripted demos and movie trailers isn't gameplay you breaindead pony
>>341808903
>implying video games aren't toys
>>341808715
Nintendo struggles to put both eggs in the basket. We either get a rare moment where they release a story strong game with basic gameplay or a gimmick based game with awful story. For example, BOTW has great gameplay, but is already confirmed to be VERY story light while companies like CDPR can do both.
>>341809078
>>341809104
Im wiling to bet that NOA is as in the dark about the NX as we are.
![avgnthemovieinsidelook-imagem01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/P5PBbxU.jpg "avgnthemovieinsidelook-imagem01[1].jpg")
>Even Nintendo still makes games, but that's debatable
>>341809078
>>341809104
You know Sony is doing daily streams to, right...? And even still, that's more than Nintendo.
>>341808129
>Nintendo's hardware R&D division is located in the US
>but the president of their entire NoA branch doesn't even know what the NX is
>>341804178
I loved WW's artstyle, and it looked even better in the HD remaster, but this art style is shit. Looks too flat and brown.
>>341809250
Ubisoft already has an NX devkit. Why wouldn't NOA know anything?
>>341809104
Nintencuck detected
>>341803690
He looks unimpressed to me though.
>>341809250
Are these posts ironic or are you actually this fucking stupid?
>>341803690
I feel like Sony baited Microsoft into revealing their upgrade first.
>>341809620
Sounds like the NEO will actually benefit those that don't own a 4K TV either.
>>341809620
Consider that so far Sony has been following Microsoft's footsteps by connecting the PS4 to a PC to play games. It's a clear sign that they too have no choice but to transcend to PC gaming. Microsoft is baiting Sony into following them into the Windows 10 ecosystem.
Why?
Because PC gaming is the epicenter of gaming culture now, just look at League of Legends dominating the stadiums. Microsoft is making Sony its bitch. It's been their strategy since the dawn of the original Xbox to lure Sony into the Windows ecosystem.
>>341804289
They didn't have enough money. They had to scam 60 million suckers into buying their initial versions so they had enough cash to put out the second ones
>>341804407
Please stop aggrandizing the Pizza Hut CEO
>>341804887
They're going for PC's upgrade schedule
>>341810758
Phil Spencer said at an E3 interview that the upgrades will enter the market only when they think it's necessary for the current trend of new emerging technology. Project Scorpio is the direct result of 4K & VR gaming entering the market. If you've ever played a console on a 4K television then you'd realize how bad the latency is.
>>341809752
That's bad since it means they are screwing over their early adopters badly
>>341810956
>Phil Spencer said at an E3 interview that the upgrades will enter the market only when they think it's necessary for the current trend of new emerging technology.
That's disgusting. I don't want my hardware purchases rendered obsolete before their time just because the VR gimmick needs more power than they had in Xbone. I want assured 8 year gens.
>>341810956
this picture makes me so mad honestly
>>341811000
Yeah, I'm sticking with my original PS4 and using that for exclusives while building a PC for high end graphics.
>>341803690
>s-s-stupid xbox
>s-specs aren't everything
>yeah that's good i'll say that again worked last time
>you've done it again regginator, you've done it again
>Plojekt Skorpeo
>PS(Shi) Neo
>>341810956
Input lag has decreased a lot in recent 4k tvs
>>341811220
Denuvo is assuring you'll be forced to pay for those multiplats. Disgusting. PC's one real advantage gone.
>>341804814
NX is a codename, like Revolution or Dolphin
>>341803690
Nah, he just feels sorry for what's in front of him.
Check this out
The NX is slightly less powerful than the Xbone, and it has backwards compatibility
BUT HERES THE CATCHIF YOU CONNECT YOUR WIIU TO IT, IT MAKES IT RUN LIKE A SLIGHTLY BETTER PS4 (Its still going to be the weakest since Scorpio and PS4.5 will be out by then
Thoughs? is the NX a success?
>Tfw you own a WiiU
>2013 and 2014 where magical years that gave us fucking great games
>2015 and 2016 was worse then a sludge water enema
its the fucking gamecube all over again
>>341811528
That isn't possible. You can't take advantage of two consoles' power like that. If you could the neo and sKKKorpio would just be little boxes you attach to your existing PS4 or Xbone
>>341811757
Why are so many people on /v/ nostalgic for GCN?
This is a picture of an OP who has succumbed to being cancer in this board. Through his eye's he witnesses how everyone else is getting (You)'s in their threads. He is a shadow of his former Reddit user self before Gamergate. He just can't compete for upboats that have transcended into living memes.
>>341811871
No, that's Reggie.
>>341811871
>mobilefag calling anyone cancer
The ironing
Reginald Phillips Aime
>>341811870
Gamecube was IMHO Nintendo's best, most balanced hardware; powerful and nimble (whereas SNES was powerful but slow, while Wii U was nimble but underpowered).
Like the Dreamcast it was a great machine that got fucked through no fault of its own.
>>341811870
>melee
>f-zero
>Super monkey ball(s)
>Rogue Squadron
>Double Dash
>Metroid Prime
>Link in soul calibur
>First version of Wind Waker
>Viewtiful Joe
I don't know either anon
>>341812253
>powerful but slow
Yeah bro my Intel iGPU is powerful but slow. Power is speed.
>>341812205
>pcfats can't even spell ironyng
>complain about mobile, the future of computing
>"who needs mobile because we're too fat to walk anyway"
O_o;
>>341811189
>I want assured 8 year gens.
Those days are coming to an end.
If they stick to an 8 year gen cycle then they'll stifle themselves in new tech coming out.
>>341812205
Would it make you feel better if I redid that whole post from my computer. I mean I can do that if it helps you with your autism.
>>341812509
I want to be stifled. Because grafiKKKs don't matter and neither do gimmicks.
>>341812294
>This short list
They really are easy to please
>>341803690
He looks unimpressed, not sad.
Ruggarell, you have a mental illness.
>>341812892
Exactly what I said. He looks bored.
>>341813049
Video games no longer excite him.
>>341807606
Sure the Wii was a hit, but I don't get how Nintendo completely lost the momentum from the success of the previous gen.
Was it really a fad, or could Nintendo have actually done something different after Wii?
>>341813213
The Wii market moved on to iOS gaming.
>>341813213
>I don't get how Nintendo completely lost the momentum from the success of the previous gen
The people who bought the wii played one game and then forgot about it. While they attracted their core base the majority of sales came from soccer moms and old people. I used to work at a toys r us and I cant tell you how many times parents came in with their kids and said that they already had a wii but their kids wanted an xbox 360.
they shouldnt have called it the wiiu for one. They should have totally changed their messaging with their new console. they thought that they could just ride the wii-wave but they were wrong.
>>341812712
Well most people think graphics do matter, and I personally still wish there was a lot better physics, AI and procedural possibilities (dorfs can chug even on the newest chips and there aren't even graphics to worry about there).
That aside though, I personally thought this sort of thing was pretty inevitable when the x86 transition was announced, and in fact was part of the point for console makers. In the old days each new gen cost a huge amount of capital and R&D, whole new chips and chipsets had to be developed and fabbed. Full (or even partial) backwards compatibility was hard (or impossible even, at least in software alone). Now though they can just call up AMD and order whatever silicon they have budget for, boom, done. Backwards compatibility is super cheap and easy, just like on the PC. So they have way less CapEx to amortize, and far few concerns about splits between libraries.
I thought from Day 1 that meant gens were going to get a lot shorter, or that we'd see hybrid "half way" revisions within a gen. It's just basic economics. That we're in the midst of a very rare major display standard transition certainly doesn't help at all either though.
>>341809278
even avgn made fun of nintendo.
nintendo needs to get on the fucking ball.
>>341813712
>. Now though they can just call up AMD and order whatever silicon they have budget for, boom, done.
THIS.
x86 was the turning point, there is no going back now. Every 2 years we'll probably see a new Xbox.
Every 4 years we'll see the BIG Scorpio-like upgrade, and in between every 2 years we'll see an "S" slimmed down remodel.
>>341814268
That model is going to bomb and bomb hard.
How do we save nintendo, lads?
>>341814398
The remodels will just phase out the previous model. The S is about to push out the Xbox One and become the new default.
NX will do adequately as long as they have actual first-party titles to back it up.
WiiU had to wait what, 18 months for the first big exclusive? And that was only Pikmin.
Launch NX with Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc, and they'll do alright at the least.
It'll be odd to see Smash closer to the end of the lifecycle than the start.
>>341814398
yup
they're getting greedy like when gaming first started.
too many consoles too fast.
>>341803690
Reggie's a meme, when is he going to finally be replaced?
>>341803690
Why does it have so many ports? It looks like a network switch
>>341809620
true but xbox was rumored to make a higher end consoles months before sony was rumored to have one, also i think they read the reports and upgraded it even more
>>341814268
>every two years
I think you're getting carried away anon, it'll be closer to 3-4. Even without the core silicon being as much of an issue, there is still engineering in terms of the whole package, thermals, case, etc. So there are still costs to amortize, and they still want to be able to get the price down to <$300 and preferably <$250 to pick up on the lower end of the market, and that takes at least a few years of refinement, die shrinks and so forth starting from ~$400. It's still not exactly a PC in terms of targeting. And in fairness again, stuff like the UHDTV transition are rare, processing/gpu power continues to grow, but full on video shifts are on a much longer cycle and have a natural ultimate upper ceiling in the form of the limits of human visual acuity. Somewhere between 8-12k (can't remember exactly) and the pixel counts literally exceed the number of physical retina in an eye, so that's it.
Overall though yeah, we're done with 6-10 year lifespans. It's more efficient, economical, and offers a better experience for most customers to accelerate that with a less expensive launch price. $300-400 every 3-4 years provides better tech then $600 every 6-8 years and is preferable to the public, so long as backwards compatibility is not an issue. But I doubt it ever will be again, x86 is here to stay. In that respect, it's actually something I'm pretty happy about, because emulation is no sure thing. I already have old games I miss.
>>341815178
Phil Spencer said getting the new Scorio without a 4K TV is kinda pointless. The 3X extra power is barely noticeable. It'll be like the difference between Witcher 3 on consoles & PC... not a huge difference.
>>341811189
>my first console was the 360
That was the exception, not the rule.
>>341815118
You can't upgrade a console even more once it's in production. You do realize it takes month to finalize plans to manufacturer these things right? Sony has probably had the Neo specs finalized for atleast a year or two.
>>341815532
There's a huge difference between the Witcher 3 on consoles vs a good PC gtfo here.
Actually being able to play games at 1080p/60fps is pretty fucking huge.
>>341804734
Does sega really have room to laugh about anything?
>>341815802
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRH5E_KLUCM
You sure about that? You're making it sound like this is like SNES to N64 jump.
>>341816002
Being to play the W3 at a stable framerate if you have a good rig is pretty huge man. At launch the XO/PS4 versions dipped in framerate alot.
He is not sad, he is analyzing the console. I wonder who is they guy he is talking to.
>>341816456
It's more cinematic at 24-30 fps.
>>341811760
the super nintendo could literally run 3 processors at once: 5a22, spc700 amd whatever enhancement chip they had including sa1 and gsu2
Imagine being Reggie at that E3 and having to be all like "damn, Xbox One, you fuckin' fine, all sexy with your tiny console and horrific American iPhone-white aesthetic. I would totally go 3rd-party for you, both my business and my console choice at home." when all he really wants to do is sell toys disguised as video games to the 8 year old in his demographic. Like seriously imagine having to be Reggie and not only stand at that convention while Microsoft flaunts their weak console in front of you, the case reminding you of a USPS flat-rate box, and you just stand there, keynote after keynote, hour after hour, while they perfected that ESRAM. Not only having to tolerate Phil's monstrous receding hairline but Microsoft Games' haughty attitude as everyone on the floor tells them they've GOT THE NEXT HALO and DAMN, THE XBOX ONE IS *WHITE*?? because they're not the ones who have to stand there and watch their sterile fucking Netflix player upscale into types of resolutions you didn't even know existed until that day. You've been selling nothing but a healthy supply of toys with RFID's your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of Haiti's rape warzones. You've never played anything this disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste ink that's leaking out of your pen as it touches a 3rd-party contract, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to develop for Microsoft once they outsold the NX, while developing with Rare again to revel in their "vehicle-based (that's what they call the upcoming DK game's genre)" collectathon, the genre you worked so hard to destroy after making an example of Conker. And then you're back in reality as the Microsoft panel screams "Scorpio", and you know you could outsell every single developer in this room with a huge wet shit that was sold as an Amiibo, but you stand there and endure, because you're fucking Reggie. You're not going to risk losing Iwata's vacant career over this. Just bear it. Become another meme and bear it.
>>341815667
>Neo specs finalized for at least a year or two
You are underestimating how fast the chinese can adapt and create new products.
Steve jobs manage to change the first iPhone screen from scratchable to unscratchable under 1 month.
http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-new-iphone-screen-2012-1
>>341817772
>change the first iPhone screen
A +Billion transistor Microchip processor is a super complex thing, you cannot compare the design of a custom microchip to a fucking screen which is easily replaceable so long as connectivity it right.
>>341813712
>a lot better physics, AI and procedural possibilities
Devs will NEVER do this. They will just add more full screen filters
>>341816657
explain how that's meaningful in 2016
>>341808370
The DS only didn't flop because Sony royally fucked up and let monster hunter go
>>341816657
The processors don't require "power" to run, they are the power
>>341803690
Reggie probably wants Nintendo to be as good as Sony and Microsoft spec wise but has to spew PR BS for those fucking gooks. You can tell that by his face
>>341820308
Don't be such a sperg, even if this is /v/. Some devs will do it, most won't, but that's always been true. There will always be devs that want to push the limits, or middleware companies that build their business around helping others push the limits. Yeah, the mainstream 90% won't but so what? There were hardware pushing games and lazy filler shit games on DOS/NES/SNES/everything else too.
I mean, I literally cited an example of good proc gen right there. Physics have had some interesting attempts even in the past, like Red Faction. This stuff is possible and has been considered, even if it's yet to reach mass market. Raising the lowest common denominator helps.
>>341817772
As the other anon said
A) Tape out on silicon is a different time line vs component changes, no matter what. It's just the nature of silicon fabrication, masks, process tuning and so forth for mass ASIC production takes time and even then there is a maximum rate, if you expect to sell a lot you need time just to build up sufficient stock. Also, every foundry is subtly different in terms of fabbing and requires specific tuning. Very, very few companies multisource that sort of thing.
B) Speaking of the ones that do, seriously, basically never compare anyone to Apple. I don't say this as a meme or some shit, but as someone who's done hardware design, Apple is in a different universe and if you try to do the same thing you're 99.9999% going to fail. If they're aiming for 0.1mm precision you should aim for 10x that. When they want something mass made and there isn't enough factory to go around they just buy the factory. They have some of the best JIT supply line management on the planet (hell, that was Tim Cook's core competency). It's easy to do something better/competitive in other ways by just aiming for things they don't, or coming up with your own unique feel, but not the same thing, like even seemingly basic stuff like white plastic, that's one of the absolute hardest colors to work with.
In terms of economics, they make very few products, make a shit load of them, and they're very high margin. Apple can afford to piss away a few hundred million buying ten thousand top of the line CNC mills. Somebody operating on 1% margins cannot. When Apple tells a manufacturer they want something done, they've got guaranteed billion dollar orders behind it. Others do not. Guess who the manufacturer will specially bust ass for?
>>341822890
What games even try to use processing power for better AI besides a few PC only devs?
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>>341803690
Really do hope that what Reggie said at the interview was just fluke to keep eyes off the NX and focus on Zelda. Knowing Nintendo, its probably true but, I dunno.
>>341816994
You are trying too hard xbot.
>>341823985
>besides a few PC only devs
But that's the thing, even devs that want to sink time into developing stuff like that can't if their target platform, or enough of their target audience even, doesn't have the hardware to run it. The curse/blessing/point of consoles is a dev can count on the entire possible audience having a given bit of kit, even if that's less. If every console had as much CPU to throw around as a current top of the line Core i7, then better AI wouldn't need black wizardry and there'd be an assured promise that no one would be left out.
>>341824242
Entirely? No. Heavily? Yes. We're talking video games, and the ultimate limits of any video game are ultimately defined by the hardware specs. You can't squeeze blood from stone. More then that, most devs aren't remotely capable enough (and/or not given enough time by management) to really squeeze out every last bit of potential, so they'll be operating at a major deficit. More computing power raises this floor, and also allows for more efficient use of human time, ultimately the biggest expense. Vidya is no different then any other software here, just sort of behind the curve by a decade due to the falloff issue.
>>341809019
They own Atlus in Japan but here in burger guess whose name is on the cover for SMT4A and Persona 5. They work together now (like for 7th Dragon and Yakuza) but Atlus still self publishes games out here when they can. Sega even botched up Miku lately fucking company is terrible.
I haven't seen such an empty and defeated look in this industry since the whole Doritos Pope incident.
Imagine having to be the person who lies to people and tries to keep the hype around while you know your product is gutter trash. And not just your current one, the upcoming one too has been BTFO before it's even out. Even money can't ease all that pain, the darkness in your heart just swells up eventually and the moment in that picture captures it perfectly
>>341824774
>b-b-but you can squeeze power from toasters
Guess what? You can squeeze more power from powerhouses too. Though squeezing power and optimization is just waste of money you can save by just working with the most powerful hardwares.
>>341808903
>Sony showed more gameplay
Sony showed the least gameplay, Nintendo literally showed the most.
>>341825393
Huh? I'm not sure what you're responding too here given that I was specifically arguing that ever more powerful hardware matters and is a good thing.
>>341809334
Yeah ratchet and clank is still in theathers, of course they have to stream it daily.
>>341825509
Oh yeah sorry I only read the first part. This is embarrassing.
>>341806929
Nobody will play those outside of Japan, also they're boring.
>>341806952
BETTY
>>341825607
Eh, it happens. I know I wrote more then is typical on /v/ anyway.
>>341820597
In the DS's generation sony had MH on the psp, the 3ds is also another success made bigger by MH.
>>341809245
He's not wrong, Zelda was the most viewed game showed at E3.
>>341811468
I actually would rather them keep the name because I can see the name changing into something worse
Cue another "Wii ____" or fuck just name it the *New* why the fuck not
>>341826535
The Wii Wii
>>341823798
I don't get why nintendo is struggling to make better hardware, they have more net worth in overall than sony. I understand microsoft is out of their league in the hardware, but with the whole window 10 game thing it seem like it will flop desu.
>>341803690
I think he believes the exact opposite of his statements and given the opportunity would take the company in a more fruitful direction
>>341826812
Because Nintendo was putting the cart before the horse with Wii U.
Gamers wanted the game companies to drop a shitload of cash and wow them into a new gen of gaming.
Nintendo thought they could be viable saving and being thrifty
Now they are on the verge of irrelevance unless the NX goes off without a hitch. Any flaw, and it's dead in the water.
The Passing of Iwata affected Nintendo with great force, as the three towers held the company together they knew the inevitability of a passing, the collapse of one crumbles the rest under the new load.
Reggie could feel the weight bearing down on his shoulders, the smile of his remaining comrade the only thing keeping him from giving up all together. Miyamoto smiled, his head filled with thoughts of the future and Pikmin 4.
Reggie looked on in shame at his competitors, knowing the reality of Nintendo was doomed to collapse.
>>341826812
>I don't get why nintendo is struggling to make better hardware
Because they've got management and cultural issues, that's basically all it boils down to. They've learned the wrong lessons from the past, and more importantly have not adapted at all as the overall market has massively shifted. Nintendo's dysfunction is actually very long standing, if you want to read a (lot) of depth on it then start here in a piece a few years back on the GameCube dev:
>https://dromble.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/dolphin-tale-story-of-gamecube/
I also want to be clear: Nintendo is not especially bad or anything here, in fact it's a very common pattern and pernicious because it tends to most affect companies that do very, very well. Precisely because they rake in boatloads of money they end up ossified, and it's incredibly hard to pull a company out of that, even as it continues to stumble on making money for a long long time. Look at Blackberry (formerly RIM) or Nokia for recent electronics examples. Actually, Sony has been/is dealing with this, Microsoft too. And of course Apple itself was in a death spiral in the mid-90s.
>I understand microsoft is out of their league in the hardware
They aren't actually, they're capable of doing good work. They've had major corporate structural issues too though, granted of a different sort and scale, cumulating with the series of debacles throughout the 00s. They're working hard at rearranging now though and have gotten better, so it'll be interesting (since they appear committed to the xbox project) to see where they go from here. Fundamentally they should have easily won this gen, but Sony reformed itself first and made more with less. But I wouldn't count on that happening forever, I'm sure Sony isn't. Microsoft is still a scary opponent, they've got a lot of strengths most people don't appreciate.
>>341803690
>PC hemisphere
That's the signal that console is dead and no need compete with anyone, all you need to do is milk shit as much as you can and jump the ship when it's over.
>>341827126
>Nintendo thought they could be viable saving and being thrifty
No, that's wrong. Nintendo WASN'T "saving and being thrifty" that was a big part of the issue, but they went for entirely the wrong thing. Remember, at $350, the Wii U launched for just $50 less then the PS4.
The whole problem is that Nintendo operated on 90s/00s logic. Back then, competing at the high end in terms of graphics/cpu cost a lot of money, whereas low powered but with a gimmick had huge market potential and was cheap. Now though it's actually reversed: getting competitive silicon is super cheap and easy, but custom manufacturing and getting devs to lock themselves into a gimmick is expensive, and furthermore the super casual mass market has been conquered by mobile.
tl;dr: Nintendo failed to keep up with the meta and therefore got creamed.
>>341828000
This is a much more fair assessment of Nintendo's crisis, but their marketing was/is really really bad and me saying they were thrifty also meant they were trying to save money on advertising, not merely building the Wii U.
>>341828381
Tech and average people way, way overestimate how much "marketing" actually does. No offense, seriously, but there is something of a lazy tendency to attribute product failures to "marketing" rather then issues with product itself, and in my experience that's almost always wrong even if the "issue" isn't obvious to us (have to recognize the kind of person who comes here at all and sits in a thread talking about this nerdy shit isn't a great reflection of the average man).
Marketing is key to get people to take a first look, maybe even give a second chance, but it can't polish a turd. There has to be substance, and substance that people actually want, to build momentum over the course of years. Particularly in the modern age when marketing bombards everyone in the first world constantly.
>NX rumors say it has better specs then Xbone/PS4
>Xbone/PS4 confirmed on working on consoles with better specs
>interview with Nintendo mentions that specs aren't important
Welp, there goes that ship.
NX will just be another gimmick console and won't be able to compete with Xbone/PS4 unless it's gimmick appeals to soccer Moms like the Wii did.
>>341804289
the price performance of information technology is getting to where you don't necessarily need a pc anymore, sure pcs will mostly always be more powerful but the difference is becoming less and less meaningful, unless you're wanting to play a game in VR while streaming and recording video then the need for a huge pc just won't be there for most people anymore. The same is becoming true for phones vs pcs. The future is most likely going to be a phone and some type of home cpu that your phone will connect to to offer more power for vr or whatever. The next 5 years will blow your fucking mind
>>341829732
>>NX rumors say it has better specs then Xbone
No, the rumours are saying it will use a smartphone chip from Nvidia which is well below Xbone specs.
>>341829795
Phones as shit as people hate on experiences wrt them, are also getting into insane territory, as they're gonna start having 6-8 gb of ram standard by next year.
>>341803690
>best hardware
I hope it stings, you piece of shit.
Bu-but the NX will have buttons ON THE SCREEN! Revolutionary innovation.
Someone do a JUST edit of Reggie in this photo.
>>341830679
Why would it? Xbone sucks.
>>341803690
EXCLUSIVE ON XBOX AND WINDOWS 10
ANON TAKES 10 AT A TIME, IN THE MOUTH
>>341829795
VR is a fucking meme.
>>341815667
>You can't upgrade a console even more once it's in production
They can and do, but they don't necessarily tell you. Availability of parts changes during the course of a generation and it becomes cheaper or more efficient to use better parts in its lifetime.
>>341831753
god how small is your mind?
>>341803690
>The NX won't succeed
It must be difficult being in such a high position and having absolutely no say in the direction the company is taking and the product it is staking everything on.
>>341832565
Not that anon, but manufacturing refinement is not what people normally mean by "upgrading". Yes, a key part of the console life cycle is constant work to do the same thing with less, to combine multiple chips into one, reduce size, etc., taking advantage of process shrinks and the like, which is how $50 gets chopped off the price a few times. But the point of a console is that from an end user perspective the experience is the same. It's not like upgrading a GPU or CPU where now your games run more smoothly or have better graphics.
>>341813213
>Was it really a fad, or could Nintendo have actually done something different after Wii?
The fad got Wii's in homes, but it didn't abruptly burst. Regardless of whether or not a "casual" Wii owner understood that the Wii U was a new console, the result of their perspective of the U was the same - it had to be played with a 'gamey' controller. If I've bought this toy for the TV that's really easy to use and fun to play, why would I want some buttony thing like those gameboys my stupid kids stare at all fucking day?
A lot of Wii owners had a Wii and four remotes and a bunch of games. Oh, the Wii U plays those games and uses those remotes too? That must mean it's the same thing, but costs another $400. What the fuck? That's because it turns out backwards compatibility is actually kind of a slippery slope in terms of how it's understood by consumers. To some, they get that the new thing is better but doesn't make your old shit obsolete. But then to others it just means the new thing is the same as the old thing, just more expensive. I remember back in the day having to explain how a PS2 or PS3 was different to the previous console, because some interpreted the backwards compatibility to mean it was just more of the same. And in a way they're right, but it's all about perspective. Lack of backwards compatibility for the PS4 and Xbone helped those consoles sell (at least from my store) during that first year of them being on the market because it gave a clear message to dumb parents that this was actually a new thing and not some "Slim" version that confuses the shit out of people for some reason.
If they'd called it anything other than "Wii U" and downplayed the Wii compatibility it would have sold better than it has, but there was no way they were going to convince most of those Wii owners that it had anything more to offer than the fun they'd already had with their Wii.
>>341808129
>Go look up the relationship between Sega of Japan and Sega of America
implying nintendo is anything like sega
I GUESS HIS BODY ISNT READY
RIGHT GUYS?
>>341803690
JUST!!!!!!!!!!! JJJUUUUUSSSSSSTTT!!!!!!!!!!
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Wii U failed because Nintendo lost all the non-gamers due to bad marketing. Up to this point normal people still don't know that there's a new Wii out there. And why should they upgrade, the exterior looks the same, the name is the same, and they apparently can't tell the visual difference between PS2 and PS3 graphics either.
>>341835436
>because Nintendo lost all the non-gamers due to bad marketing
Horse shit. The Wii launched in 2006. At that point the smartphone/tablet market as it is now simply didn't exist. The iPhone didn't launch until 2007, Android 2008, and those early versions were mediocre and were early-mass.
The casual market in 2012 was an entirely different beast then 6 years earlier. The same strategy wouldn't work, and it wasn't because of marketing. Although I think the Wii U had a fundamentally flawed approach anyway.
>People actually thought Wii U would win because "weakest hardware always wins!!1!"
nintenyearolds on suicide watch lmao
>>341826535
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>>341826746
I remember Kimishima stating in an interview that the NX won't be using the Wii brand anymore. Honestly, I'm not even sure why they went with the "Wii U" for Project Cafe in the first place. Aside from the Game Boy line and the two Famicoms in Japan, it's not like their consoles had been traditionally known under a single brand like the PlayStation or Xbox. It's always been Nintendo This or Nintendo That (e.g. NES, Super NES, Nintendo 64, Nintendo GameCube).Then again, knowing their shitty naming sense, they're pretty likely to actually call their next console the "New Wii U."
>>341835923
>The casual market in 2012 was an entirely different beast then 6 years earlier. The same strategy wouldn't work, and it wasn't because of marketing. Although I think the Wii U had a fundamentally flawed approach anyway.
I'm glad someone doesn't buy into the whole "Wii U failed because it had a shitty name" meme. The Xbox One has a shittier name and it's outselling it.
>>341841441
It isn't shit naming, it's confusing naming. Everyone knew MS wasn't releasing the original Xbox with the Xbone but normies had no idea what the U on the end of Wii U meant
>>341842739
I thought the name makes it pretty obvious it was an upgraded Wii. The truth is that normies no longer cared for the Wii by 2012 while core gamers were still playing on their PS3 and 360. Even calling it a Wii 2 (or something else Nintendo) wouldn't had helped.
>>341825516
Holy fucking shit dude, that was savage.
Its only a matter of time until Nintendo ends up like Sega did and become a software based on mobile phone gaming and abandon the console in favor of toy manufacturing which they are good at
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