>Haha we came up with the idea for this game at a party lol!
>If you want a Mario RPG just play Mario & Luigi!
This game is a bigger trainwreck than Federation Force. How in the hell is Nintendo this out of touch?
>>341736185
It looks just like the old games but better. What are you autists crying about again?
Why not just play the old games?
This isn't about how ignoring the issue will make it go away. But about how complaining won't do anything either, so why do it?
Just don't play the game. There's a whole world out there just waiting to be explored.
>>341736301
>>341737282
Kill yourself.
I actually wish this was more like Super Paper Mario rather than more like TTYD
>>341737359
Not an argument
>>341736301
>just like the old games
0\10
saving you a thread again OP
>>341737476
Good job on replying to the bait and ignoring the actual comments. But hey, your choice
>>341737476
and some more
>>341736301
>>341737282
This is what Silent Hill fans tell to themselves all the time right? Cause now Paper Mario fans have to feel it too.
>>341736185
>This game is a bigger trainwreck than Federation Force.
at least Federation Force looks like a good game on its own. this doesn't.
>>341737924
Again stop replying to me if you're not replying to what I have to say.
>>341737565
What comments? All I see besides is "What are you autists crying about again?"
>>341738024
You know exactly what youre doing baiting people into replying. Nobody is that stupid to ignore the complaints people have had about Sticker Star since it came out.
>>341737924
The Silent Hill community collectively told Tomm Hulett that they will never accept his games and he damn near exploded on Twitter.
It was great!
>>341737978
Yeah, Federation Force looks like a functional Killing Floor clone.
This looks like a dysfunctional Sticker Star rehash.
>>341736185
>Nintendo is out of touch because they won't the red plumber into an rpg
Fuck off. You guys are top 5 worst fanbases.
>>341736185
what's wrong with them
why do they think anybody wants this?
Sticker Star sold less that SPM and scored a solid 10 points lower than every other PM game on metacritic
>>341738321
Sticker Star sold almost 2mil and companies don't listen to metacritic.
>>341738321
>Sticker Star was almost 4 YEARS ago
Holy shit.
>>341738295
Yeah man those pesky Paper Mario fans who only want a sequel to a 2004 game.
Totally the same tier as the MGS or Sonic fanbase.
>>341736185
this is what happens when you give women creative control.
>>341738471
Yes, what you described is pretty thick autism.
Whoever is really to blame is some asshole running around with a Monkey's Paw.
>>341738458
It sold less than SPM
It had a much lower attach rate than TTYD
You can't justify this sequel with sales. Ninty just wants to shit out another bare minimum. game
>>341738538
>Its autism to want a true sequel to a beloved game
Trust me there are worse fanbases on this very website. Take a gander at SMT
>>341738209
Something the nintendo community will never do because it's infested with fanboys and loyalists
>>341738538
Not him, even the Lisa fanbase is worse.
And I say that as a Lisa: The Painful Fanboy.
>>341738638
Games in general have less sales than past years, save for a few standouts.
You're trying to make a point and it's just wrong, man.
Literally nobody who played a Paper Mario game before it liked Sticker Star.
Only kids who hadn't played a Paper Mario game before liked it and are currently trying to silence haters.
If someone says they've played any of the others, I won't believe them. Except maybe for Super Paper Mario.
>>341738223
Oh fuck, I forgpt to check up on this last night lel. Looks good.
So, I'm playing TTYD right now and it's a very good game, full of charm, character and just pretty much all good things in the world.
Why did Nintendo decide not to make more like it? I'm confused.
>>341738850
Nintendo seem to hate critically succesful games. They always have. They always abandon the games everyone says is spectacular to change it up and turn it into New Super Mario Bros 4857939757849
>>341738780
Do you just make this shit up?
http://fortune.com/2016/02/16/video-game-industry-revenues-2015/
>>341738485
Is a woman really in charge?
>>341738789
There were about 4 versions.
And we were gonna get a slutty Shy Gal stuck under a bucket, but the Artist passed out.
>>341738850
It's forever a mystery
Only reasonable answer is "A chain of bad decisions "
So now that Paper Mario is dead is Paper Jam any good? saw that is was discounted in the eshop
>>341738691
>a true sequel to the game that I happen to like
>anything else is illegitimate
It looks like a fucking game for kids. A game you're ruining the perception of because 'muh rpg elements'.
>>341738223
>Featuring Toad from the Sticker Star series
Can i get that on its own in a bigger size?
>>341737282
>Why not just play the old games?
Why should people have to? They promised new and improved, and they didn't deliver. Why should people simply sit quietly instead of saying how they feel about it?
>Just don't play the game
That's easy to say about a single game as opposed to an established franchise. But it's kinda hard to watch a series you enjoy being Assaulted, Commanded, Zeroed and eventually killed off because higher-ups misinterpret poor workmanship for 'disinterest in the brand name'.
Not even a SMRPG/Paper Mario fan.
>>341738978
Well, unlike SS or Coour Splash its an actual RPG
The story is a little barebones, but the gameplay is on point.
>>341738989
I can trim it down, but as for upscaling, no go. You'd have to make it from scratch.
>>341738980
>I only play mature games for mature gamers such as myself
>>341737282
But I like feeling mad
Its cathartic
>>341738953
Main producer
>>341738945
They cited a few standouts like I just said. And this article is praising the sales increase from just 2014, leaving out the fact sales over all for the decade have been much lower.
http://fortune.com/2015/06/15/video-game-industry-innovation/
"Video game sales in the U.S. actually peaked in 2010, at $17 billion, and have fallen progressively ever since, hitting just $15.4 billion in 2014, according to NPD Group. This is expected to continue unless the industry finds a new life source, and fast."
>>341739145
Kids games are absolutely fine. My point is that the autism surrounding not getting a game you specifically want, which drives your fanbase to instead shit on a perfectly fine game that many people would otherwise enjoy, is toxic.
Just don't play the game. It is CLEARLY not for you.
>>341738978
It's all right. It's has less issues and is a lot less bloated than Dream Team.
>>341739067
Good enough for me, thanks
>>341739316
But if we don't express our disappointment, how will we get the company to know we want something else?
>>341739067
This. It's an average in the M&L series. The story is actually able to still pull off some more hijinx than "save he princess". Despite the premise of it being "save the princess." Gameplay is some of the best in the series in my opinion too, but if younre worried the M&L series is going to get Sticker Starred, don't. Based Alpha Dream said it was a conscious decision to take out OC to make the game less cluttered and messy. They said they'll be going back to OCs in the next game.
>>341736185
>if you want an offline console play the 360
>if you want a mario rpg play mario and luigi
Fuck this industry. I'm tired of companies that have contempt for their consumers
>>341738165
Respond to my actual comment or just don't respond at all. It's your choice.
>>341739045
>why should they
It's a suggestion, it's a question.
>but they promised
Source? Because you can't promise subjectivity.
>a single game
This is happening to pretty much every single Nintendo franchise. Every franchise will have a peak. Just find new things. It IS hard to watch, but at the same time you're the minority and will always be, the majority will always scream there's nothing wrong or how they like the the new better. You're not the audience for this game.
>>341739174
Do you really?
>>341739216
what reason does Nintendo have not to make another game similar to SPM?
>>341739430
Good excuse if you can prove you're anything more than a vocal minority.
>>341738953
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlcNubU6bYA
>All the toads have unique personalities
>Would you buy HD versions of the original games?
>Blame M&L for the death of PM
I hate this woman
>>341739530
Also, that's not really an argument, no I wouldn't buy the same game a 2nd time with minor graphical improvements. Paper Mario's graphics are timeless.
>>341739476
I can't say there's any way to prove that, but pretty much everywhere there is to discuss this game there's backlash and people complaining about the backlash. Way outnumbering speculation and hype.
The true thing to determine it will be the sales numbers.
But the thing is, we are still a possible audience. We still want to buy a product, a product that was once made but not anymore, but is still possible to be made again, and we aren't going to be able to let them know we want it again if we stay quiet.
>>341739603
Its more like would you buy TYD with the graphical fidelity of Color Splash, keeping all the original assets but making them look amazing.
>>341739437
So you're telling people to just give up on their favorite series?
Would you tell Nintendo themselves to do that?
And what would that change, exactly, if the same people would end up working on 'new' series with the same quality of work? What good would moving on do if we're gonna get the same shit we're getting now?
>>341739530
How is this on her? There are (or were) two Mario RPG series. You're comletely unreasonable if you think we needed both. If they had went the other way, M&L fans would've been butthurt.
You're just blaming the devs for not picking your specific choice which is asinine. Unless you're someone who thinks we need more than one mario RPG series. It's a platformer for fucks sake. Do you think we need another Mario racing game too?
Again, not saying I have a problem with PM but you should at lease try to see it from their perspective.
>>341738223
this is pretty hilarious
>>341739437
>Fuck everyone else and the series they love
>But when its a series i love then its bad
Thats all i hear when people try to defend Nintendo. Its almost as disrespectful as everyone shitting on Crash fans.
>>341737860
Ok, so I get Miyamoto not wanting OCs because they mess with Mario's established setting.
But why do all Toads need to be copypasted? What's the harm in making them even a little different?
>>341739696
>it's more like would you buy the same game but with better graphics
Yes that's what I said you idiot.
>>341739717
>are you telling people to give up
I'm telling them that complaining won't do shit because Nintendo is run by a bunch of incompetent people and they can get away with it because the majority of their customers are cockgobbling shiteaters that buy amiibo
>>341739875
Nice strawman.
>>341739880
New Super Mario Bros brand recognition. That's what this is all about. That's why every mook was redesigned for Sticker Star to look more "realistic". They just want to sell their precious New Super Mario Baby
>>341739937
Again, would you tell Nintendo that?
>>341739717
>So you're telling people to just give up on their favorite series?
not him, but I have
paper mario, mega man legends, grandia. they each started very good and got worse every time
>>341739880
>mario's established setting
What did he mean by this?
>>341739937
We complain because we can, to express our thoughts. It's not like complaining is doing anything bad, and Nintendo might hear us, so why not?
>>341739997
Tell Nintendo what?
>>341740036
>we do it because we can
Yes you established this three posts ago. Now actually read what I say okay?
Final Fantasy does this with every game, they revamp the battle system. Welcome to the world of RPGs, kiddos. People will ultimately get bored if they have to play the same shit over the course of multiple 40+ hr games.
>>341739812
Paper Mario came before M&L, and before PM there was Mario RPG which wasnt even made by Nintendo.
PM was the console series and M&L was the handheld series. Nintendo consoles lack RPGs while their handhelds have always been plentiful with them.
Explain why The Pokemon Company hasent told Spike Chunsoft to stop making Mystery Dungeon by the way. After all why do we need the main series Pokemon games and Mystery Dungeon co-existing?
>>341740107
Please tell me why we shouldn't complain? There is no benefit. There could be a benefit to us complaining. If we are silent, Nintendo will never hear our cry.
>>341738693
???
Are you kidding? In thr past year alone so many nintendo fanboys have started admitting nintendo is making some retarded fucking decisions. The thing preventing the same thing from happening to nintendo is that
A: they are incredibly out of touch with their own fanbase
B: they couldn't care less about the non-nips. We're just a side market as far as the higher ups are concerned these days
>>341740109
Pokemon. Which is also published by Nintendo.
That makes me think our complaints are misdirected. Maybe we should be blaming IS and not Nintendo (as much, Nintendo are probably still to blame what with all the NSMB jacking off)
>>341740107
If Nintendo are so incompetent, would you tell them to give up
>>341736185
>>If you want a Mario RPG just play Mario & Luigi!
This pisses me off to no end when people on here say this. I've only played the first M&L game but it's a completely different beast compared to Paper Mario and I prefer my RPG's not to have a bunch of filler minigames crammed in to pad out the game.
>>341740109
>Final Fantasy does this with every game, they revamp the battle system
And people complain every goddamn time they do.
You shouldn't fix something that isn't broken.
>>341740141
Mario & Luigi is the spin-off that literally has "RPG" in the title in every game in the series in Japan.
am i the only one that has serious problem perceiving where mario is in the game space? the fact that he is 2D on 3D environments completely throws me off and I can't pinpoint his location, even his shadow is 2D for some reason, god damn it
>>341740360
>>341740168
Read >>>341737282
I'm not going to repeat myself to a bunch of incompetent shitlords that are incapable of reading which they reply to
>>341740420
And PM64 was called Mario Story in japan yet here we are today.
>>341740397
https://youtu.be/dlcNubU6bYA?t=373
That's no longer something you just hear on /v/ though. That's the official Nintendo-endorsed explanation.
>>341740446
You're wrong.
>>341740493
Not just that, but I'm pretty sure it's working title was Super Mario RPG 2.
>>341740173
>so many nintendo fanboys
They are not as many as you'd think
Some have expressed their dissatisfaction towards Nintendo but for every person that does that there are 5 mindless nintendrones who will still defend them
>>341740547
Haven't repeated myself yet, so nope.
>>341740493
And Mario Story was dropped and changed to just Paper Mario in TTYD.
>>341740570
Ironically, M&L is the series with more of SMRPG's staff behind it.
>>341738980
>people hate sticker star because it's different
Wew lad nice meme
>>341740604
You just did, but that's not what I'm talking about.
Complaining isn't as pointless as you make it out to be.
>>341740683
Wii won seventh gen.
>Arlo predicted this when he made his video about Paper Mario in march
Hes totally gonna do a follow up video and Color Splash defenders are gonna be breathing down his neck despite how well reasoned his initial video was. He even said Super Paper Mario is worth a playthrough because of the story and characters.
>>341738295
Assuming that's vidya only:
>Pokemon
>Sonic
>Minecraft [may or may not pass Sonic]
>Kingdom Hearts
>Zelda
>>341740141
>>341740289
Pokemon is more successful and feverishly desired than even the idea of a Mario RPG.
>>341740534
>https://youtu.be/dlcNubU6bYA?t=373
I've said it before and I'll say it again. FUCK Nintendo.
>>341740774
Prove it
>>341740683
>ps3 won 7th gen
That's some pretty hardcore retardation
>>341740884
None of these fanbases are asking for an entire subseries to be based around a one-off made over ten years ago.
>>341740109
One of the dumbest things I've ever read.
Does anyone give shit games a pass just for being different? Maybe you do you retarded shit-eater, but some of us care if the games we play are actually GOOD.
Remember how no one liked FFXIII? Guess what faggot, I liked the combat system a lot and that game was STILL shit.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm... its almost like there more to it than just revamping the battle system...
Think before you open your mouth you fucking piece of shit.
>>341741010
You're the one that claimed it was, so it's on you.
Regardless, look at how 'progressive and inclusive' games are since people of margin made themselves seem collectively like 80% of the world's population.
>>341740890
Yeah man totally fair to compare the sales of a gamecube game to the GBA, DS and 3DS.
If your argument is based on sales its wrong, if its based on popularity thats subjective considering Mystery Dungeon is nowhere near as popular as the main series.
>>341740684
>I've never played sticker star
>>341740683
Are we talking hardware quality or software quality?
Hardware is right save for PS2, software is wrong on PS2 and debatably PS4 for the time being.
>>341741181
You can't prove a negative you dotard. The burden of proof is upon you.
>>341740882
Yeah, its kinda astounding how he predicted Nintendo decisions for Color Splash.
Also there is something funny with seeing a muppet analyzing videogames like that
>>341740882
Actually youtube commenters have been on out side as well. They don't like color splash either for the most part.
>>341741106
Yes, and? They're still a lot worse than Paper Mario has and ever will be.
>>341740534
She's a qt asian /v/, you will not make her sad because her game is shit, right?
>>341740534
Nintendo is so out of touch it hurts. It's time for the whole senior staff to die. Just wipe it out and start fresh, at least then we wont see the series we love get raped over and over again.
>>341741106
Zelda 1, Sonic Adventure 2 and HG/SS.
Breath of the Wild is even catering to fans who wanted the open world of Zelda 1. Sonic fans want a sequel to Adventure 2. Pokemon fans want the breadth of content HG/SS had.
>>341741267
Yes you can, and I just proved my point anyway.
>>341741257
>I've only played sticker star
>>341741160
FF was just one example, but if you really want to be that guy and say every game in that series is shit then be my guest.
>>341741487
>yes you can
Oh so you're simply baiting.
No need to respond to me though, there's enough ways to bait that doesn't involve a single target
>>341740602
The irony of this conversation when it comes to drones of all consoles.
>>341740534
>>341740397
Literally what is the problem with them not wanting two RPG series? I fail to see the point.
>>341738691
What is wrong with the SMT fanbase here to make it one of the worst?
>>341741412
>you will not make her sad
To be sad she'd actually have to care about what people think.
You know I use to be able to tell when people were shitposting
I legitimately can't tell if people are false flagging or nintendrones are actually thinking this looks good
>>341741635
>DOING THING WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING
>Do thing
>Nothing changes
OH WOW IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT COUNTS AS PROOF
But keep ignoring my own proof, that's good too.
Ultimately it's not up to us guys, NOA will just translate any garbage thrown our way. Does anyone know how the Japs are taking to what weve seen so far of Color Trash?
>>341741752
>not shitting on the game means we think it looks particularly good
Eat shit. Not every response of this board has to be vile and filled with unreasonable disdain.
>>341741656
The Problem is that PM64/ttyd gameplay is distinct from Mario and Luigi. Atlus and Square Enix both juggle multiple JRPG franchises but manage to make them different enough. It's entirely possible to make PM and M/L stand out from one-another but they simply don't care.
for a game handled by Intelligent Systems, you guys sure like to rant about Nintendo
>>341741656
Because they dont play the fucking same and are accomplishing their own goals.
Literally all they have in common is the basic template for the battle system.
Mystery Dungeon does the same shit.
There is nothing wrong with Federation Force or Color Splash.
The problem is with the fanbases for both, which are made up of autistic lorefags who, above all us, desire to be taken seriously by a children's video game company.
>>341741814
It seems like as long as Nintendo doesn't fuck up Kirby, they don't seem to care.
>>341741582
You continue to impress with sheer stupidity.
When the fuck did I say I disliked FF? It's literally my favorite franchise, 1-12 anyway. FFXIII is one fucking example. d
But to focus on your general lack of perception, you think I was just talking about FF you stupid mother fucker? See this is the thing with you people. Too stupid to understand why someone might be critical of a game without going straight into massive defense mode for the entire company. I bet you'll buy anything Nintendo puts out wont you, retard? How's Federation Force looking, thats a 10/10 for sure, right?
Take $5, buy a bullet, and rent a gun, nigger. You need em bad.
The problem with Sticker Star and this style of Paper Mario game is that it doesn't fill any gap that's missing from these type of games. Super Paper Mario AT LEAST tried to be a 2.5D/2D platformer that wasn't done much at the time.
The fuck does this game do? Supply simple game mechanics for babies? TTYD was the epitome of supporting a niche of RPGs that for once didn't have angsty tragic storylines and just tried to have fun. Do something different but don't simplify to the point where theres no variety or anything interesting.
>>341741656
Instead of having 2 good RPG series we went to having 1 good RPG series and 1 bad whatever the hell you want to call it now series.
You're also assuming that fans of one of the series automatically like the other, which isn't necessarily true.
And why should Nintendo give a damn what genre their series are if they both still sell well? All Nintendo has done is taken something people liked and butchered it into a mess that few if any of those fans like. Doing something like that is more likely to just turn fans away from Nintendo in general (as we are currently seeing) then it is to turn them towards another of their RPG series.
>>341742081
How is Color Splash not "just trying to have fun"?
>>341741917
But within the realm of RPGs neither do anything particularly interesting that another hasn't done.
>>341742138
They don't sell badly, but they don't sell particularly well.
>>341742026
Man imagine working at HAL and coming up with ideas for Kirby games and having every single one be acclaimed by fans with no drop in quality.
Like what is a "mediocre" by our standards for a kirby game? Squeak Squad? Its still fun and retains what fans love about Kirby. Amazing composers too.
>>341739812
Both RPG series are different enough to keep them around as they were
Now Paper Mario is a series with an identity crisis
Bill Trinen even categorized CS as part of the "action adventure" genre when it looks more like a neutered RPG
>>341741412
I would be okay if she was killed by a nintenyerold
>>341742371
Youre right, i dont find Mystery Dungeon interesting therefore we must get rid of it because fuck anybody who likes that series.
>>341741763
What proof?
>>341742698
>Nothing changes
>>341742751
read >>>341737282
>>341741371
But for every person expressing their dislike, there's another 2 blindly defending it because they're kids who started with Sticker Star. They usually have Nintendo related names and avatars too
>>341742081
There is exactly one problem with Sticker Star and it is that it isn't fun.
The deviations from the formula could all have been excused if the game was just properly made, but it wasnt.
As we all know from the interviews that always get posted, Miyamoto single handedly derailed the classic style Paper Mario game they were making. That would have been fine, tho obviously the fans wouldnt appreciate being teased like that, but the real issue is they didnt restructure the game around it. The whole world feels empty and meaningless and its all because the Sticker system took away any sort of feeling of progression.
One of the thigns people love about RPGs is the feeling of growth, but thats been totally removed while the world of the game remains the same kind from the original Paper Mario games.
Theres just such a mismatch of mechanics and the world of the game that saps your desire to keep playing. Basically they fucked up the Skinner box, bad.
>>341742824
Burden of proof.
>>341737282
People dont enjoy seeing their favorite franchises raped over and over, senpai.
>>341743123
you don't have to look
>>341736185
Oh God you can tell from the boxart alone that there's going to be no fucking new content in it whatsover and that the paint bucket is going to be the new Kersti
>literally who?
Exactly.
Meanwhile that to pic related.
>>341740534
Why can a qt make such shit? now I'm conflicted
I want to see her smile knowing that all people will like her game but that won't happen
>>341743714
>>341743685
If that game came out today you'd have people complaining about them censoring the coverart
>>341742002
>$0.10 deposited
>>341743714
Just buy Yoshi's Woolly World
A qt helped design the yarn yoshi amiibo
>>341744282
>b-but it m-might be a p-placeholder!
>stop bullying nintendo! waaaaaaahhhhhhhh
>>341742459
Hello fellow KirbyBro
Oh wow, that's pretty funny.
>>341744432
Borb?
>>341744190
Wooly World is just as bad as any modern Nintendo franchise. It's looking at the trailer of Yoshi's Island and then just taking all the ideas instead of coming up with something worth existing.
Yes, hugging every wall for 'red coins' isn't what the original Yoshi's Island was about.
>>341743714
She probably didn't use her video game talents to get to her position, but her connections.
>>341744282
>>341744406
I'm pretty sure the image is stock art from a "catalog" of official Mario renders licensed to marketers to use in promotional material, all of those renders have been used separately for ages. They didn't originate *from* the soup can.
>>341744837
Way to miss the point
>>341744282
Wait that art literally was from a soup can prior to Star Rush? I thought people were just making jokes because it looked like it was.
>>341739812
Mario & Luigi and Paper Mario aren't really all that similar though. Sure they're both RPGs, but they play very differently to one another. PM feels more like a traditional RPG with a more serious plot, swapable party members and slower, more strategic gameplay while M&L is essentially a slapstick comedy in game form with very involved, fast paced battles and consistent party members throughout the whole game. That's not to even mention that until Sticker Star one was exclusively on consoles and the other on handhelds.
TL;DR the series were different enough as they were and the butchering of PM was unnecessary.
>>341744809
Funny you post this in a thread complaining about Nintendo's rabid fanbase. You're part of the problem
>>341737282
>Why not just play the old games?
So when it flops, can we say "Why not just make a good game"
>>341744989
Don't try to reason with fanboys twisting the words of developers shitting on their fanbases.
It's sakurai's food analogies all over again
>>341745009
>PMfags being this edgy
Better kill off Dragon Quest since Final Fantasy exists!
>>341736301
This is just like Stickers Star, you know, the hated one.
>>341745009
Maybe theres a reason Kirby threads are always welcomed and beloved despite the Borb shit?
Maybe its because HAL gives a fuck and likes to deliver gameplay people want while still adding fresh ideas to build on it?
>>341744282
No fucking way
A testament to contemporary Nintendo
>>341745202
You mean
>Better kill off Final Fantasy since Dragon Quest exists!
Since it's what Japan likes more.
>>341745446
>Maybe its because HAL gives a fuck and likes to deliver gameplay people want while still adding fresh ideas to build on it?
Or maybe it's because Kirby fans have no standards because the games have been designed for 5 year olds since the series' inception.
>>341745202
Let's kill off 3D Zelda too and make it into an FPS instead. If you want to play a Zelda adventure game play the 2D games. We don't need two Zelda adventure series at the same time.
>>341738223
>Liru
FUCK, STOP IT, I dont want to see her ever again
>>341745619
FF is more successful worldwide and canning the series that came before would fit better since DQ came before FF the same way that PM came before M&L
>>341745785
Doom 5 will be a puzzle game. If you want a FPS where you fight monsters, just play Quake :^)
>>341745785
>Let's kill off 3D Zelda too and make it into an FPS instead
Worked the last time they did it.
>>341745084
That's right, why do you think people want Nintendo to go third party?
>>341745446
Look, I 100%'d PR and TD but they're nothing like the good old days of DL2. and Rainbow Curse just felt like a chore so I didn't beat it.
Kirby people just like the lore, and I like them because they're give me a 5hour jrpg feeling. But would you deny the games to be casual shit? DL2 controlled fine. That sense of speed and control, the new kirby games just dont have. Yes the games are shiny and have a good fucking soundtrack, yes the games have lore, but Kirby 'fans' just don't have standards. As long as the game looks and plays like the kirby game that came before it on a surface level. They're satisfied.
>>341745675
>Enjoying fun platformers with puzzle elements and a ton of side content is having no standards
I think 99% of /v/ would rather play Triple Deluxe than a creatively bankrupt game like NSMB2.
>>341745202
Let's also kill SMT now that Persona exists
>>341746141
>ad populum
>strawman
>buzzwords
Sad thing is, someone WILL have a conversation with you lasting multiple replies
>>341746116
Who the fuck wants a Kirby game that goes backwards and plays like Dream Land 2? "Sense of speed"? This isnt Sonic.
>>341746141
>Enjoying fun platformers
that require little to no platforming
>puzzle elements
that require no thought
>and a ton of side content
a Boss Rush and an additional character is a "ton" of side content now?
>forgetting robobot exists
>>341746085
What if Nintendo killed 2D Metroid because it has platforming and there's no need for another series with platforming when Mario Bros. exists?
>>341746371
What was wrong with how Dreamland 2 played?
Not going to bother debunking your strawman just an FYI
>>341746476
read >>>341746259
don't bother with those type of people, they can't form a coherent thought
>>341746485
Who are you quoting?
>>341746193
>SMT fans actually used to think this way
>>341745675
>>341746116
>>341746259
Holy fuck first people wanna defend Intelligent Systems but NOW we're shitting on Kirby?
What was wrong with Super Star Ultra and Return to Dreamland?
>>341746504
Donkey Kong Country debunks your thought.
>>341746776That just means DKC will be the next to go;-;
>>341739880
>why do all Toads need to be copypasted?
Because that's what Tanabe likes to do for some reason. Miyamoto said he could take characters from SMW.
Tanabe is the one to blame, not Miyamoto.
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME
I MADE MY MISTAKES
GOT NOWHERE TO RUN
THE NIGHT GOES ON AS I'M FADING AWAY
I'M SICK OF THIS LIFE
I JUST WANNA SCREAM
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME
>>341746116
But DL2 sucked.
Adventure, SS, and DL3 blow it out of the water.
>>341745446
>while still adding fresh ideas to build on it
Like what?
>Now you get a super power to destroy everything and become overpowered for a limited time to progress
>Now you get the power to absorb better and become overpowered for a limited time to progress
>Now you get a robot and become overpowered for a limited time to progress
That is pretty lame.
The spinoffs like Canvas Curse and Epic Yarn are the Kirby games that I look forward to because the main games are always the same, not very exciting gameplay with a gimmick
>>341746728
Why are you naming 2 decade old games.
As for RtDL it put me to sleep. At least use TD or PR as an example.
>>341747093
>DL3
stopped reading there, man what a snorefest, especially after dl2, just graphics doesn't make the game good.
>Tanabe produced Sticker Star
>Tanabe produced Chibi-Robo! Zip Lash
>Tanabe produced Federation Force
Uh oh.............
>>341738781
>Literally nobody who played a Paper Mario game before it liked Sticker Star.
I did, though.
>Only kids who hadn't played a Paper Mario game before liked it and are currently trying to silence haters.
So you think you're a mature person because your opinion is more valuable?
>If someone says they've played any of the others, I won't believe them. Except maybe for Super Paper Mario.
Sure, pal. Let's pretend different opinions doesn't exist and only take your opinion as a fact.
>>341747304
I dont like Dream Land 3 either but there is nobody here that wants the series to go back to 2. Youre out of your mind.
>you'll never see anything besides just toads as npcs in mario games ever again
>>341747404
>producing
So he didn't really affect the games at all and everything is the fault of the people that actually had to showcase their skills
>>341736185
>How in the hell is Nintendo this out of touch?
They aren't the ones out of touch, you are. As a Mario RPG fan, I mourned the lose of the RPG aspect of the series when Super was released. The game itself was sound but was nothing like the first two games.
So, to me, expecting another Paper Mario like the first one when the last two weren't close to that is delusion. This game is clearly competing more with Super than it is TTYD, so that's what I'm going to judge it against.
>>341736301
Lmfao you guys cant be this delusional.
>>341747551
>back to 2
What's wrong with DL2?
>>341747612
Super indicates a spin-off
Is Mario Bros the same as Super Mario Bros?
Also way to use some sort of false-equivalence there. Just because they're a vocal minority doesn't mean Nintendo isn't also out of touch
>>341744837
>>341744282
>>341747404
It is clear now
Someone has infiltrated Nintendo and it's mission is to sabotage Nintendo from the inside. Most likely someone from their competitors
Or maybe Nintendo is just out of touch and sucks shit, both are equally probable
>>341747790
>Super indicates a spin-off
The fuck it does. Mainline Mario went from 3 to Super. Nintendo consoles went from NES to SNES. The precedent is there for Super to mean a direct sequel/successor.
>Is Mario Bros the same as Super Mario Bros?
Yes. How is it not? They took the platforming and added a world and reason to it.
Nintendo should stop with their "visionary" and "experimental" ideas for established franchise and just listen to what the fucking fans want, because they're the ones who will be giving them money.
No matter how fucking "creative" and "new" a game is. If it's shit, it doesn't sell and it doesn't give them money.
Nintendo is a fucking business. They should do whatever is best for business.
If anything, I hate the whole LOL LOOK WE'RE MADE OF PAPER, SO FUNNY LOL WE BEND AND CRUMBLE LIKE PAPER shitty jokes that have been infesting the series since Shitter Star.
At least TTYD and SPM were subtle about the paper jokes.
>>341738321
I don't think I ever got that triathlon question right
>>341748360
>just listen to what the fucking fans want
Fans don't know what they want.
>>341747590
Do you know what a producer does? They have more power than the director. They have the final say in everything. They bring everyone who makes the project together. They're the ones who decide which programmers to hire, which director to hire, which artist to hire, which composer to hire, etc.
>>341740534
Say that again
>>341748124
>how is it not
Oh you're borderline retarded.
>>341748728
Yet Tropical Freeze happened under his jurisdiction.
>>341748592
>haha silly fans, you don't want a new Animal Crossing, you want a Mario Party knockoff with amiibos!
>>341741656
weird considering Wii U having a fuckton of 2D Platformers was one of the more common criticism
>>341748837
>Oh you're borderline retarded.
Nice argument.
>>341748878
People just got an Animal Crossing. Wouldn't be surprised if a new one is announced next year.
>>341749253
>3 years ago
>just
>>341749253
>how is it not
Nice argument.
>>341749407
Like how you cut off the rest of the post.
>>341748837
It's possible that the higher ups at Nintendo told him "Make a DKC games like the old games", and so that's what he did. It's possible that he's a shit producer when they just tell him to make a new game and do whatever he wants with it.
If you were the producer for a new Paper Mario game, with full creative control, what would you do?
>>341736301
So you never actually played them
Got it
>>341750373
Make it play a little like Paper Mario Thousand Year Old Door add in new mechanics here and there and fix a few things that people complained about.
Sequels are always supposed to be more inferior then the last
>>341748837
>Yet Tropical Freeze happened under his jurisdiction.
I think TF (And DKCR3D I guess) was good despite Tanabe producing it rather than because of it. Retro just make good games. Everything else he's produced since Sticker Star has been trash.
>>341749962
I'm sure he's a shit producer, but he's part of a whole and the whole is the issue here, not scapegoating a single producer. The producer also gets influenced to do things the way he does.
>>341750926
But Skyward Sword was also trash, Tr4sh was also trash, Mario Maker was also trash, 3D World was also trash.
Just listing some games that were also trash that were done by other people, see the pattern here?
>>341739045
>Why should people have to? They promised new and improved, and they didn't deliver.
This. Instead of improving the series over time, the developers have deliberately made these games worse instead of better. Similar situation with those smartphone Animal Crossing and Fire Emblem sequels as well.
Is mass appeal really worth the nose-dive in quality?
>>341748878
That's not what happened, and you know it. The AC team made Splatoon instead of AC Wii U. The people who made Amiibo Party are the people who make Wii Party.
>>341751132
Smash 4, Mario maker, and 3D World were not trash.
>>341752409
Hahaha. They're the exact reason why Color Splash is trash.
So either you like Color Splash or you admit Tr4sh, MM and 3D World were trash.
>>341751132
>Just listing some games that were also trash that were done by other people, see the pattern here?
Not at all. I don't even see how listing off those games relates to what we're talking about. Of course other people make bad games (And most of the ones you listed aren't even bad). Are you saying it's okay for Tanabe to produce bad games because other people also produce bad games?
>>341738638
>Ninty just wants to shit out another bare minimum. game
EXACTLY. The Wii and 3DS had nothing else to buy at the time and neither does the Wii U now. It's just too bad Paper Mario was chosen as the sacrificial lamb.
Color Splash is going to be good deal with it
Color Splash is going to be good deal with it
Color Splash is going to be good deal with it
>>341752616
Color Splash are trash, while the others are good games. I don't see the confusion.
>>341747547
Sure you did, pal
i'm still willing to try it even though i never enjoyed sticker star
>>341752616
Mario Maker is one of the best 2D mario since Mario World despite just being a level editor.
>>341741412
2 nights ago I had a weird sense that she looked at the dislikes in the trailer and started sobbing.
>>341745965
you know the game came out right?
>tfw Miyamoto is senile
>his only game is 5 years is shit
>he ruined paper Mario thinking he would make it better
>>341753580
yes, but thats not why i dont want to ever see her again.every time i see her face, i cant stop
>>341741814
I saw a collection of tweets from Japan about Color Splash translated, and although it doesn't seem like they hate it as much as the west does, they still prefer the first 2 games.
>>341737282
You dare post such shit opinion while using Haruhi. Fuck off.
>>341752616
How the fuck are they even related to Colour Splash being bad? Especially when they all came out years after Sticker Star, which is what Colour Splash's mechanics is based on.
>>341752831
>>341753037
>aren't even bad
*10 cents have been deposited into your eShop account*
>>341753385
hahahahaha, even NSMB2, objectively the weakest in the NSMB series, is better than Mario Maker.
>>341755093
I never posted my opinion there.
>>341755270
>how is it related
Because people are scapegoating a single producer while this happens all around Nintendo's studios
>>341736185
Make a petition for a TTYD remaster or traditional Paper Mario. Write letters too, the developer literally said they didn't hear enough support for another traditional Paper Mario. I'm sure a petition would at least make them remaster TTYD.
PS5 will just be a Bluray player. If you want to play games, get a Vita.
>>341756032
We don't need more remasters. TTYD is fine the way it is, and remasters are just cash-in's and excuses for devs to be lazy.
>>341736301
fucking retard
>>341755787
>hahahahaha, even NSMB2, objectively the weakest in the NSMB series, is better than Mario Maker.
Oh right, it's you again.
>>341756032
There's already an HD TTYD texture pack for Dolphin thats better than anything Nintendo would potentially put out.
>>341739530
>Being this fucking oblivious to what fans want
After 4 years, they've learned a grand total of NOTHING.
