What made Ragnarok Online so good?
>>341703132
Private servers.
>>341703132
The music, sound effects, and simplicity.
>>341703132
it was shitty, unbalanced mmo
but it was still pretty good and innovative in an era when mmos were still fresh.
It filled a niche for weebs and waifufags precursors.
you were 12
War of Emperium
>>341703132
Accessibility.
>>341703132
Renewal
The simple elegance
>>341703132
No wikis.
Experimentation.
>>341703132
Internet was still young, free to play if you played on private servers, not much MMO competition at the time.
Also animay
>>341707185
/thread
>>341703132
>True sandbox
>Economy where you could make your way by grinding or even by becoming an potion or weapon producer
>WoE created reasons and heavy competition
>Upgrading being so unforgiving really made getting strong gear prestigious and a lot of hard work.
>>341703132
exploration, experimentation, and ERP
the three e's
>>341703132
It's from a time where MMOs were just chatrooms with combat. You spent most of your time talking to people, making friends, and getting involved in guild drama that you could actually settle by stealing castles and shit. And it was really fun to run around prontera browsing player shops for hours at a time.
Modern MMOs just don't have any community and you'll probably never see someone speak outside of global chat. All the trading, questing, dungeons, raiding, PvP is totally automated so there's really no reason to interact with other people even if you wanted to.
>>341703132
Pront's south gate didn't have that many trees.
>>341703132
the fact that i played on a server with only a couple hundred people on it
it's such a cool feeling when everyone on the server knows everyone else and there are friendships and rivalries and all this shit going on
>>341707701
sauce?
>>341707701
>all these shitty "mmo" annie mays
Hats
>>341707929
I remember the Ragnarok anime being actually not half bad.
Probably helped that the franchise as a whole was originally a comic book and the anime didn't try and take place in an actual videogame.
>you'll never be 10 again playing RO with your older bro
>naming and creating your characters together
>doing everything
>even get to the guild wars eventually
i miss those days
i miss my brother
>>341708035
I like how almost all the hats can be gotten in the Odyssey games, as well as the classic class outfits
I really need to pick it up again but I plan on trading the old PS3 in and getting a PS4, especially with all the new shit coming out for it.
>>341707331
>experimentation
>battle priest build for mace specialization
>int knight build for the elemental spears
Other people.
>>341703196
>>341704748
These too.
>$2000 dollar gaming PC
>use it to play RO
This is the power of the War Machine
>>341708297
>tfw
I miss my brother too
all he does is listen to shitty paramore and watch twitch streams about girls eating cupcakes and other garbage like that
he's 25
>>341703132
Just like vanilla wow, size.
The amount of content in old school mmos is insane. Like, playing constantly, each of those games would last you and your clan / guild around 1-2 whole years.
Now in any new "wow killer" you level up in a very boring streamlined quest for about 2 or 3 weeks, and beat the final boss at the end of the month, see you in 4 months when we add a whole new 3 days worth of content.
The same apply to current wow: WoD was like, 2 weeks of content, but locked behind the garisson time wall so you can only complete 15 minutes per day
>>341708592
>Battle Priests with Mace Spec
I remember that was all the rage back in the day, plenty of jokes and comics about it too.
>>341708035
>that one guy who had slotted sunnies
>>341703132
cute sprites attracting what would become waifufags
>>341708801
>vanilla wow
>content
I see you missed out on the glory days of sandbox MMOs.
>>341708249
I am not mistaken, ragnarok was a anime set in the setting of the series.
those "mmo animes" are literally "we know we are in a digital world, we abuse mechanics, we do meta stuff XD" popularized by SAO a few years ago.
>>341708907
vanilla wow had a similar case with their priest class also
and they even had mace mastery
who knew that the priest/mace thing from DnD was so influential for mmos
>>341708035
Man, that game had a lot of great hats. I don't remember when it was added, but there's a whole secret cooking skill that you can unlock with the chef hat and when I found out I had my guild set up an anti-dragon hunting party for all those scales. Meanwhile our top cool guy rogue was down in Bylan dungeon 4 hunting for all the feathers we needed.
>>341708592
Oh yeah. I remember thinking I was so cool being able to use my firebrand with a field of cultivated hydra so the auto-cast was triggering constantly. But I was never actually wealthy or lucky enough for other auto-cast cards to go with it. So in the end I spent 4 months of grinding to become a really shitty sage.
>>341708992
>that guy who put a willow card on slotted sunnies
>>341709059
indeed, wow was much less sandbox than RO was, and the rabbit hole went much deeper, but my point isnt about is what if what you have to do is good or not. It is just having stuff to do first and foremost.
>>341703132
The people playing it.
You could just walk up to a party sitting in the fields and join them in their Chat and join their Party for a while and then Pop out again.
People were not as pretentious back then, but maybe that's just the way I remember it.
>>341703132
The fact you were underage when you played it
Its actually a really shitty MMO, and had you been better educated in other games you never would have given it the light of day.
I dug the music. It was quite atmospheric.
Also, the asthetic was good at the time.
>>341709252
>>341709059
>>341708801
Exploring WoW for the first time was fun, looking around various areas while sneaking as underleveled rogue. Getting into areas you're not suppose to, knowing full well that an admin could ban you for it.
The atmosphere in the cities with the player Malls around the edge of the street and just everything. The Game felt extremely lively.
>>341709072
I feel you, but Log Horizon was a fun ride so I can't hate the trend entirely.
Lets face it
MMOS are dead because normies invaded the internet and left us all in the dust
we lost the meme wars
>>341709372
>Getting into areas you're not suppose to, knowing full well that an admin could ban you for it.
Was wow that glitchy?
>>341709126
I remember a big thing with Shadow Priests showing off their e-pins when it came to Vanilla, about how they refuse to heal and try to top DPS.
So /v/, how did YOU make money in RO?
Personally I did a lot of Infil hunting from Nightmares, and tried to slot them to sell for 50m each on my server
>>341709372
>Getting into areas you're not suppose to, knowing full well that an admin could ban you for it.
That's every MMO.
>>341709284
This, I used to have so much fun with random people and guilds.
Not once did someone in RO not help me when I asked for it, and as a male character that's surprising.
It also encouraged teamwork heavily through all of it's mechanics
>>341709858
Well sure, but it's not really the same nowdays. Not the same amount of dedication from the general playerbase.
>>341709794
farmed Yggdrasil Berries
sold em for a mil each
my private server had serious inflation
I had 8 character slots with completely capped money and the bank they made was full too
>>341709794
I just ran bots because RO was a joke regarding security.
When I started playing RO my friend was like a serverwide celebrity or some shit
He was a level 99 Novice and if anyone in PVP fucked with him a bunch of dudes would descend like murderous dogs to mess that guy up
>>341709858
Why should you get banned for it? I never heard of anything like this
>>341703132
You could play it for free on private servers. Some of the best private servers gave a decent balance of what you could normally expect from the original game, but without all of the horrific grind associated with it.
>>341709760
>be a shadow priest in vanilla
>have no problem switching to healing to get dungeons done
>kind of enjoy it anyways
>finally group with one of those guys
>arms warrior, refuses to tank SM Library, tell him it'll be super easy it's not hard to tank
>"No, I'm Arms, I only DPS, I'm not joining unless I can DPS"
>spend the next hour looking for a tank
>"This is taking too long guys, I'm out"
>>341703132
The art style. It was pretty good until rebirth.
>>341709284
The saddest thing is that the last MMO I played with a really great community was RO2 during its opening month. Everyone was looking out for each other and forming parties to do the most mundane stuff. We'd play together for hours with some people dropping out and other people getting recruited, and it was really great even though most people just wanted to talk about how awful the game was and what they were doing/planning to do with their RO characters.
>>341703132
MVP's, at least for me
Asura Strike was truly a badass skill
Even more if your friend was playing a priest.
fun all day long.
>>341709794
back when i played i grinded orc village with my hybrid crafter alchemist with my mental change lif because orc archer bows were the hottest shit back then
found a handful of buyers who want them bulk paying 3mil per bow
on a good day ill be making 9m-15m for a single grind session
>>341709794
Being a priest was fun.
>>341709794
By selling everything. I remember being a wizard and getting mantis cards, so I just sold them at 1m I think. Also selling materials for making hats and other things. Sometimes I sold upgraded equipment or MVP stuff.
>>341709284
The lack of wikis meant anyone was glad for any help that remotely fitted their role as a class.
So no one was picky, now-a-days, if you misspend a point off the chosen path, you're worthless.
Being a teen, cute and vivid graphics, community full of other social misfits.
Lot like 4chan, in a way.
![psychosis~ragnarok-grandma-large[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ltBrYPP.jpg "psychosis~ragnarok-grandma-large[1].jpg")
/v/ please help me make ragnarok great again by hosting a private server with dropable cash items
First, I need you to answer this http://www.strawpoll.me/10506519
Remaking EXP tables means I can edit each so it's easier to level up to Lv X and then, make it super slow, kinda like forcing you to party and take down bigger monsters together
>>341709401
MMO auction interfaces ruins the whole comfy "town center merchant bizarre" experience.
Finding a good deal from a merchant was both rewarding and fun.
>>341711278
I love how RO, private and official, servers run fanart loading screens.
>>341711321
I've been dreaming of another MMO to recreate this, but even MMOs that come close still pussy out and include an Auction House. Even worse is when the Auction House is just all those shops condensed into one user interface, completely defeating the purpose of the bazaar shop system in the first place.
>that brief hype when Requiem was going to be all the spooky undead dungeons in Ragnarok rolled into one game
>that bitter disappointment when sprite-based Requiem vanished from the internet and years later we got that shitty 3D game instead
>>341711663
I love it, because it makes use of all that empty space you see in MMO's.
It adds character and gameplay worth to the city itself.
>>341711278
>No vote but my own
H-how about a ragnarok rip off made for /v/ only?
>>341703132
>tfw you finally got you reborn char
i remember playing onVanRo medium ratearound 2006 - 2009
that was my prime on RO
>>341710434
well maybe he doesnt have his one-handed weapons skills leveled and only had 2h weapons skills leveled
he is arms after all
you'd be equally mad if he cant maintain aggro because his rage regeneration is garbage
>>341703132
>What made Ragnarok Online so good?
NO QUESTS
NO FUCKING "QUESTS" FORCED ON YOU TO FUCKING PROGRESS.
"HEY HERO SAVING THE FUCKING WORLD, GO DELIVER THIS BREAD TO MY STARVING BABY STANDING 5 FEET AWAY FROM ME. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THE PLOT AND YOU CANNOT CONTINUE UNLESS YOU DO"
N O M O R E Q U E S T S
>>341711278
>low, mid, high
I don't even know what these mean anymore.
Back in my day "low" was 1.5x to 10x vanilla rates but nowdays low starts at 50x
>>341712419
Everyone knew that.
And yet Tree of Savior fucked up.
It's so disappointing.
>>341709794
I didn't, I just miraculously bumbled into having decent gear somehow.
Also kept getting free stuff from a guild member.
>>341712419
ro had quests
you had to go through shit even when you picked your first class
and even more shit when you got to your second class
RO was a sandbox mmo
and sandbox mmos were generally good
>>341713079
Beyond that there were actually tons and tons of quests just out in the world. Unlocking special skills like juice making, cooking, dye making, hats, dungeons, gambling, homunculus, and there were even a bunch of normal NPC/story quests that rewarded tons of exp, although the items were usually so rare you'd get more out of your time just grinding.
>>341713079
RO had quests, but they felt special. Just like Runescape had quests, but they felt special. The problem isn't quests in and of themselves. The problem is when they're the only way to level up and each one of them is the just a reskinned piece of shit that can't be distinguished from the next one. Quests like the homunculus one in RO or getting your totems as a Shaman in WoW are fucking brilliant and should remain. It's the "story" quests and the kill 10 bear asses quests that need to go.
>>341713079
QUESTS:
JOB CHANGE - PRETTY IMPORTANT
UNLOCKING AN ENDGAME DUNGEON - PRETTY IMPORTANT
THAT WEIRD FUCKING STORY QUEST WHERE YOU WIND UP IN THE KING'S TOMB LOOKING FOR AN ASSASSINATION CLUE - I DONT EVEN REMEMBER WHAT THE FUCK THAT WAS ABOUT BUT IT WAS COMPLETELY OPTIONAL AND DIDN'T GIVE YOU SHIT ASIDE FROM STORY.
THAT'S BASICALLY IT.
YOU DON'T GO FROM 1-99 WHILE CONSTANTLY HAVING A FUCKING WINDOW CHECKLIST OPEN WITH 5 PEOPLE WANTING YOU TO DO THEIR GODDAMN LAUNDRY AND OCCASIONALLY COLLECT A BEAR ASS FOR THEIR OWN WHIMS.
>>341703132
>exploring
>nice community
>woe
>worldbosses
>freedom
>music
>spriteart
>Deviruchis
>PecoPecos
>>341713492
>getting your water totem during vanilla
one thing i never experienced because i only bothered with wow during wrath
it was a very unique experience when i played nostralrius
it was a hell of a path to walk
even more difficult because it was a pvp realm and ashenvale was gankfest
and i ended up making friends with 2 other shamans who were trying to also work for their totems
being in a company made the journey bearable and the destination more fruitful
>>341703132
Porn.
No. Really.
It was the porn.
>>341714431
And yet Touhou is still a decidedly niche game.
>>341713492
>NPC gives you a quest
>you didn't read it and have to goole, because theres no questlog
>>341714153
I never realized how gorgeous Ashenvale was before running through there hyper aware of death waiting behind every branch, bush, and stone. It's too bad that none of your class skills are important or meaningful anymore. What's focused on is that you get shoved to max level so you can start raiding as quickly as possible.
>>341703132
You being a teenage weeabo at the time.
>>341714658
Feeding Golden Thief Bug shitty cards was a fun prank.
>>341714669
>mmo based on norse mythology
>weeabo'
heres your (you) mai pamilya
>>341714658
That tiny image gets me anxious like nothing else.pls someone host a /v/ server I'd love to play with you faggots
>>341703196
how so?
>>341715038
It'll get shutdown in 2 months
>>341714843
Pecos are cute.
>>341714971
It was based on a Chinese porno tapestry, which had little to no relation to Norse mythology.
>>341703132
Simplest possible system with increadible customization and actually a deep "complicated" system.
You had 6 stats you could tune, and fine tuning that shit took quite a bit.
It also gave something to the casual crowd, where even low lvl mobs dropped items that were worth a lot (cards used in pvp), and to the hardcore crowd, big badass endgame bosses.
You had pvp with WoE. And you could grind for quite a long ass fucking time before you hit the ceiling. And even so you were pretty effective even at the lower levels.
This as well >>341707498
I don't think I ever beaten an MVP in Ragnarok Online.
Well except Garfield.
>>341709130
>really shitty sage
Yea, because you didn't have the badass autocast cards like dark lord.
I remember trying to download RO 1gb size installer direct from the browser. I would sleep and go to school so excited and then finding out the download had failed due to instability in the connection. Good times.
>>341715038
theres no such thing as playing with /v/ here
youre going to end up playing with the worst that /vg/ has to offer
god i was there when the first RO threads were made
and boy i got alienated so fast when the attentionwhores ran rampant
it went from lore discussions to drama about some server slut
and youd think they'd go away when you switched games
tera, wow, ff14
all the same cancerous shit but different games
I wonder:
why do people go on p-servers when official ones are just as f2p?
>>341709072
Actually the anime your initially responded to is a bit different in it's own right.
Main difference being that it's not another "transported into the game world" anime. It's literally an anime about a group of kids playing an MMO together. No world jumping shenanigans, no overpowered main character, just gameplay and cash shops.
>>341715424
Shit you missed out on much. Mvping was so fun. I rarely did it solo tough, because it was more fun to at least bring a friend alone. Not for the super low lvl things like garfield, cat loli, and GTB, but higher end stuff. And even having fun with a whole guild going for the really endgame ones, where you had to compete with other guilds.
>>341715603
Less p2w on privates, less bots on privates, better connection on privates.
I had 50-100 ping on US based private servers from EU, meanwhile on the official US server i would get 250-300. And the official servers are p2w as fuck.
>>341715603
Because the game was subscription only when it was new, the english servers were months if not years behind the korean servers in terms of content, and the official servers require several lifetimes of grinding while private servers are free to adjust Xp and drop rates to something actually sane.
>>341715426
I couldn't even get lame auto-cast cards like mutant-dragonoid.
Every time I saw an afk crusader I was so jealous of him shitting meteors and healing to full HP whenever he got hit.
>>341715603
Official servers are p2w now
>>341715582
It does not help that the /vg/ shitters are REALLY FUCKING BAD, at the game. Ok, sure, they can grind up the money and a character and read a build guide. But as soon as you would ask for a bit of coordination from them, it all falls apart. And it shows that they can only cheese their way trough fights.
>>341715936
the nostralrius general had very good people lurking the threads
>hey these people have really good tips and advice for
>should i connect with you guys? id love to each you guys even though im not very good myself
and they were like: "no dont because the /vg/ guild is full of shitters"
>>341715603
Too many bots
Private servers got updates way earlier
Resets, which allowed min-maxed WoE and no fear of fucking up builds or having to level up as a low int priest and other WoE builds
5x rates were way better for me, 1x felt like a fucking nightmare
>>341716271
Don't know about WoW (Nostralrius is wow right?), was talking about my experiences from the /rog/ threads and guilds.
>>341716295
One of the more succesfull private servers was 3/3/2 iirc, EuphRO. I think it had more people playing at any given time than the officials at its prime.
Also, if you wanted to be worthwhile in WoE, you needed a guild, and if you had a guild that wanted to be impactfull in WoE, they helped their people lvl shitty builds and with help in a party it was a breeze to lvl even low int priests, or some wierd shitty agi/vit dancers.
>>341716502
yeah nost was the name of the private server for vanilla wow
think like the comodo patch, the very earliest version of wow
before the popularity exploded
a good number of people never experienced it
WoW never had its source code leaked to the public
and its not that easy to recreate which is unlike RO's case
so good vanilla servers are very rare to come by
>>341703132
Nostalgia combined with a design philosophy that didn't handhold the player through the entire game.
In MMOs these days you spend the whole game being led by the hand from quest to quest, with the only point being to reach the endgame.
In RO (and many other MMOs of the time) the journey to the endgame was fun by itself and any endgame was just extra fun stuff to do at the end. You didn't get led around by a constant barrage of quests so you kind of just did your own thing, playing the game how you wanted to and there were tons of fun secrets to discover that were actually meaningful.
Nowadays the philosophy of leading players through the game like a themepark tour has become so endemic that if an MMO comes out with this older design philosophy people complain you'll often here complaints such as
>"Where's the story?"
>"Where are the quests?"
>"There isn't enough endgame content!"
>"It takes too long to reach the endgame content!"
All these types of complaints occur because the MMO audience has become so used to playing an MMO being "Rush through to max level and grind through the endgame content". So much focus has been put on what to do AFTER you reach level cap that players won't accept an MMO that focuses on the journey like older MMOs did.
It's sad really but I guess this is what happens when you have decades of nothing but themeparks then ask people if they want to play in the sandbox.
>>341716786
Yea, honestly the source code leak was a godsend for RO. And i have been following at least a bit, the issues of WoW private servers, in how hard its actually to make em run good and function properly, and to properly emulate official ones.
I mean, i do know some things about WoW, and i tried it when it came out (the GW took over for me), but it feels like WoW suffered from simplification, and dillution of its world trough the patches.
It went from MMO, to a single player game with occasional dungeons where people met, and a few hub towns where you actually noticed people. That is at least how i felt about it.
The chinese will save RO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzHgOLQ3N7E
>>341703132
Class, skills, world, music, Japanese
>>341717153
You think private WoW is hard, wait 'til you see Star Wars Galaxies
>>341703132
youth and friendship
>>341717428
To be fair, the older you go the harder it is because some of that code is a jumbled mess. Ro would probably be a complete no go without the source code, because chinks fucking made a messy as fuck code.
>>341717153
id imagine the lot of RO's devs were probably paid in peanuts and pocket lint
a very common situation when it comes to people in game development
while the original WoW devs were living comfortably from it's success
sad fucking case of reality
the silver lining we got from it was the source code leak
>>341717581
Point being SWG has had a dedicated community reverse-engineering it for ten straight years and it still doesn't work.
>>341717883
They are too clever. I bet if you would throw a few autists and a bunch of people who have no idea how code works at it, they would solve it in a week.
And when someone competent would look at it, he would probably say, That's not how any of this works, its not supposed to look like that.
No, its not. But it does.
Also probably the SWG source code does not even exist anymore, and was lost, or just partially kept.
>>341703132
Charming, cutesy art style.
Freedom in character building, in both stats and skills.
Huge world to explore on your own volition. Even if said volition was only "Where can I murder enemies most economically?," it still felt like YOU were at the helm of that adventure, not some quest marker.
Swingin' soundtrack.
I was edgy as fuck so Assassin Cross was my wet dream. The username I had was used for more than half my life. It wasSINFaTaLiTy
>>341703132
I suppose I'm going to be the devil's advocate here and say, honestly, it wasn't.
Maybe this is because I ended up spending a lot of time as a solo player, but the only highlights to the game were when I was on a team and often my teammates were busy with other things.
I spent hours on hours struggling to ek out a single percentage of EXP to catch up to them or to get that skill that would make me useful, and outside of a few random instances, the world was fucking dead outside of Prontera and Payon, devoid of NPCs and PCs alike.
Also, cities were ugly, character sprites were hideous, and while people talked about how 'any build was viable', as someone who was told 'go hocus pocus sage', I can tell you that's a fucking lie.
Yes, I'm a faggot who enjoys quests so long as a quest is well done. I'm a faggot who felt taken aback when in City of Heroes there was an actual lore and story to practically everything. Yes, I'm a dick sucking faggot who didn't think a 'good time' was the least thinly disguised grind of any MMO I had ever played. Yes, even GW2 was able to break monotony every rare instance.
RO was only good because it was basically one of the only ones at the time.
Okay, I also admit, a lot of my social memories of RO are also tainted these days by the teammates ultimately being pricks.
The lore, while completely optional and out of your face, was pretty great.
>>341703132
Graphics manga,
Good community,
Simple yet deep system,
Comfy as fuck.
>>341703132
The game was designed in such a way that it promoted socialization. Also, the general MMO and gaming community back then was more social and had less outlets to socialize through.
It was a combination of the times and the design, with just a pinch of nostalgia. I still think an MMO could be very successful with the right sandbox elements today, but maybe not to the degree most would hope.
merchant class
>>341721893
Some classes could solo, was still difficult. But back in the day before trans classes. Sometimes you were fucked and at the mercy of parties.If you were a pure forge smith or a pure brew alchemist (pre homonculi), it was a form of mental suicide to grind. However if you we're bored, you could get insanely rich by collecting the ingredients in stacks for them. I remember back when a stack of 100 white leaf went for like an easy 150K.
Now it just seems like no point to be a Smith now to make money. The fact that you can now make/purchase weapon scroll endowing enchants from sage classes, players can now reach much higher DPS output through the use of proper weapon carding with proper element enchant then they ever could through elemental weapon forging these days. But it still is the cheaper alternative.
>>341703132
No handholding, and frustrating as balls to level up. No auto-party tools. Endgame activities are server-wide and require as many people as you can get.
This forced you to socialize by game design. You were literally a stronger player if you socialized better.
This is what MMOs should always be, because this is the only thing MMOs have over any other genres. If an MMO isn't about this at the core, it'll always be better as an arena or lobby multiplayer game.
MMos went to the shitter when developers started caving in to singleplayer faggots. Little by little, people demanded it became more and more playable in solo under the guise of quality of life changes. They quickly turned into stand still and push 1 button to teleport everywhere and "finish" the game in a week.
>>341711278
I don't think private servers work for RO.
The game is just meant to be taken slow, and to meet tons of people in, private servers pretty much just destroy this into meeting a smaller amount of people and getting to the end in a faster amount of time.
And getting to the end in RO is fucking depressing, it's a big goal but in the end it's a flat out stamp of "you've dunnit".
ALSO
ANY OF YALL WANNA PLAY SOME iRO? I KNOW RENEWAL IS GARBAGE AND THAT INTERNATIONAL RO IS GARBAGE BUT LAST TIME WE DID I HAD A TON OF FUN
I think for the time the game was just... Good. You had friends, you had things to do. Current people in MMO's unless it's a group dedicated to working together, you basically can solo anything now. RO forced you to be with people if you wanted the best gear, the best cards, getting into WOE.
>>341726070
I don't even know the state of iRO right now. Or Renewal in general.
Are the 3-2 jobs still stupidly superior to 3-1? Have there been enough balance patches to fix the worst offenders like the Shura?Not that I have time to grind mindlessly right now, but I'm curious
the music
>>341719020
>Maybe this is because I ended up spending a lot of time as a solo player
After seeing Tree of Savior I feel horrible for every moment I've ever rolled solo in an MMO. I fear the idea that I was the one person who tipped off the scale of "soloing is fine" in MMOs thanks to even an hour or two of soloing.
Never again will I commit such a crime.
>>341726397
I don't really know much either, I barely got my renewal class going before I had to go back to life, but I had a blast until then.
But I'm certain renewal is still pretty fucked balanced wise, considering the only server which has moved away from the kRO renewal formula is jRO (pretty well too), but that's subscription based and pay2win as fuck.
>>341726489
>Tree of Savior
Man, what a letdown it was. The graphics are just what they should be, the music is good, the amount and variety of jobs is great on paper... but the rest is so terrible. Why would you make it a linear quest-based game? Why would you put cutscene "bosses" that are easily soloable and pretty much a non-threat every few levels? Why would you lock guilds behind a high-level class and not even offer a WoE equivalent? Why the fuck would you make it so boring to play through the same shit again every time you want to try out a different class when that's supposedly the main selling point?
>>341726681
>jRO
Right, I remember they made some really nice adjustments to the Renewal system. Has any private server copied them? They fucking should, right now.
>>341709189
>that one guy who put mistress card on slotted helmet
>>341726986
Leika has, but that private server might as well not exist anymore considering the devs fucked up majorly in one area, and then they just decided to stop advertising, so now the server never even reaches more than 100 players.
And again, jRO's changes are mostly party play based, considering they have the highest population of RO in general, so Leika kind of fails to deliver considering the changes don't work well with its less than triple digit pop.
>>341727162
>less than triple digit pop
Don't forget 2/3 of them are merchants and afkers.
CAN WE FUCKING GET A COMFY SERVER GOING? /vg/ IS CANCEROUS AS FUCK.
>>341727471
It's the natural issue with private servers, if it's simple enough to do, everyone will make one based on their own preferences, and people will join those servers that suit their preferences.
Then you have 900 servers with 100 people on each.
One of the first amazing MMOs.
Anime.
You were a child.
Actually pretty fun regardless.
Incredible TO THIS DAY music.
>>341727561
At this point your only choice is Talon/Sarah for pre-renewal and Nova/iRO for renewal.
>>341727584
And the opposite side isn't always better either, right now the only Trickster Online private server is literally held up by parasite leeches.
Private servers are my personal hatred.
>>341727749
>Nova
Just checked it, didn't know about it. I don't understand most of its features, I really don't know shit about Renewal.
That 800 pop is impressive though.
>>341707701
Leave it to today's shit anime directors to take a concept as fun as VR MMO's and turn it into shitty romcom titty fests.
>yfw you just got a new hat and is now sitting infront of prontera to show how swag you are
>>341728835
Log Horizon is the only good mmo anime
>>341709072
.hack//sign was around a long time ago
i remember watching it on ANIMAX channel when i was a kid like 11 years ago
>>341703132
Not linear. Not handholding. Monsters weren't neatly placed around the world in a completely linear parth. Lack of generic mob killing fetching quests. The few quests that there were were hidden and were long story quests that were completely optional. There weren't bosses for babies that you could be killing at level 10. All bosses were rape machines that would roam the map.
We could go all day but essentially it was an interesting mmo, outdated as fuck by now. It had some very cool ideas that sadly no one built upon and the future of mmos turned out to be that everyone would copy on the inferior WoW formula.
>>341703132
1. Itemization. Gear did more than just giving you more stats, and some even give you other class abilities. Most gear wasn't limited by class, and combining cards, special gear and the stats system you could come up with any type of build you wanted.
2. WoE.
3. Hats.
4. Female Priests.
>>341730137
>4. Female Priests.
Yes.
>>341703132
The fact there was LITERALLY nothing else of worth.
>>341703132
Anime inspired style
Top tier soundtrack
Sandbox
Lots of classes and customization
Classes were all cool as shit and had unique draws
Hats
Benefits for actually socializing and forming a community
Special equipment came with effects
Fanservice
Lots to explore
Challenging
Lots of ways to dick people over
Pets
Chaotic PvP that didn't care about being balanced
>>341703132
Anime bullshit
>>341704865
There is nothing I miss more than WoE. I wish I could be with my guild again, just one more time.
>>341703132
Let me tell you in More then 5000 words.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/227579314/Test4
>>341708035
>angeling hat
i've had a hard life...
>>341731054
Pure Autism.
BATTLE
SAGES
>>341731054
Thanks Ramona
>>341713804
>job level 40 something mage pushing job 50 before class change to sage
>going hardcore in clocktower, flywing spam to dodge mimics, vert firewalling clocks, mirin the mages aoeing down alarms
we need to go back
>>341714658
Will anything ever feel as good as a card you've spent weeks farming finally dropping? Your Thara Frog card? Marc card? I'm a broken human.
>>341731518
>that Abysmal Knight card
>only 2 more to go
The struggle is real.
>>341728976
I thought overlord was alright; I'd like more of it but those light novels seemed to get pretty gruesome for cartoons
>>341731725
one hydra card
two hydra card
three hydra card
>>341703132
>no sprawling, wooden huts full of poor people just outside the city gates
trash game
>>341731997
If there was I'd spam OBBs and OPBs until everyone who lived in them were dead
>>341728835
Its not a VR-MMO. They just animated the game part because its more engaging than watching sprites with text bubbles and you just hearing the voices.
I hear a lot of people complaining about how there used to be a lot of secrets in sandbox MMOs and how that was the best thing ever, which I agree with.
But you guys are forgetting how young the internet was back then, with no wiki pages and no data recolection of pretty much anything at all, which meant that one person finding one secret probably meant that guy would be the only one to have a certain item for whole months before someone else got to the place while as today if you tried to do the same, any secret would only last for a few weeks until everybody knows where it is, what to do, and what you'll get.
That kind of game design just can't work anymore, and devs know this, which is why they mostly don't even try. Heck, ToS has been officially out for a month and a half and most of the secret chests and events can easily be Googled.
>>341707701
name of this gem?
>play on a private server with friends from school
>wind up in a guild full of server old fags with friends older brother
>troll hard during WoE
>disrupting server alliances
>deliberately antagonizing the servers Br alliance
>hold Payon 1 as our prize
>play a divest rogue during WoE, laugh at the crusader leader of the Br alliance trying to spam GC on our emp while the rest of his horde dies trying to get close
He had a +10 plate mail
He slotted a steel chonchon card in it
Brazilians are a disease.
>>341732508
>>341732608
>>341732356
>>341732328
>>341731997
>>341731870
>>341731730
>>341731725
>>341731518
>>341731336
>>341731271
>>341731230
Oh hey guys are we discussing Ragnarok Online, that's a cool game. Oh, what are these?http://exhentai.org/g/268640/3d60d038fd/http://exhentai.org/g/613880/c98b5a583d/http://exhentai.org/g/735092/a5a53adc0f/http://exhentai.org/g/741117/183688baa6/
and one more for good measurehttp://exhentai.org/g/743930/1cdf3612df/
You know you want to click them.
>>341715315
The manhwa was rad.
>>341732782
I fapped to these before sadpanda existed
You have no power here
>Ragnarok comes out
>play the living shit out of it
>goes down
>Trickster comes out
>play the living shit out of it
>goes down
In the end the there is only sorrow
>>341732895
No King rules forever my son
>>341732886
Now that's impressive. Always more to bring into the fold though.
>Cards
>Music
>Really nice world to explore around
>Cute graphos by the time
Though I was always terrible at MMOs and never got into one seriously, this came close to it. I still want to play this sometime but I guess these days it's going to be a completely different, awful experience.
I'll never forget my rare drops though.
>>341733034
Why don't more MMOs have cards or weapons that are "universal" rather than Sword and Great Sword and Greater Sword and Greatest sword?
>>341726070
Sure, ill play on iRO when they finally fucking move their servers to a non shitty location.
Whenever i do a tracert i get perfect fucking connection all the way to the us continent. But hey, who am i to judge the shitty rotten copper cables you guys are determined to run your internet infrastructure on, cables that were due for replacement 50 years ago. And iro valiantly fights against moving the servers to a better location, even tough nearly everyone on their forums has issues with connectivity all the fucking time.
>>341703132
autism
Any of you faggots play XaosRO?
>>341703204
Not a single one for (you)? You fucking disappoint me, /v/.
A thousand times this.
Is there a single good server nowadays
>>341733726
How 'good' a server is depends entirely on how desperate you are anon
>>341733367
I'm not even murrican.
>>341733782
Sane rates, just not as low as 1x/1x/1x
Community not made of bots, brazilians or bronies
Not full of weird added content, lemme enjoy the classic shit
>>341734030
If you can find a 3x-10x server that isn't comprised entirely of bots and/or BRs and has more than 30 people playing regularly then you've literally struck gold. Let me know if you do.
I wish there are more classes that made in pair and need each other to do stuff like bard/dancer. Ensembles skills are shit, but watching bard/dancer pair doing it always feels good to see, because how rare bards/dancers actually take those skills.
>tfw you'll never play music for your waifu as she dance in the middle of the town
>>341703132
The early age of the internet where people still spoke to each other in a civil manner.
>>341734364
That's bullshit and you know it. It's just that, back then, the people insulting everyone else had no delusions that they weren't scum as well.
>>341713421
>Unlocking special skills like juice making
I was the grape juice man because so many people were fucking lazy. Made good money and sold out every night
>>341734521
>tfw shittalking was banter
>partying was a norm
>people were all around fun
I'm glad I experienced it.
>>341734730
There was a time, in online gaming, when you could insult the play of a fellow guild-mate, and they'd come back next WoE a better player.
Nowadays you can't insult a random in queue without being banned from the game in question.
>>341715582
>all the same cancerous shit but different games
It's usually the same people. I think the only /vg/ mmo group that didn't have any of the attention whores was aura kingdom. And that was party because the one person who tried to be one played on official servers while everyone else was on private. Nice game but it gets boring after a while
>>341708592
VIT PRIESTS FEEL NO PAIN.
>>341703132
I know it's prontera, but it looks like corneria
>>341734671
Hell yeah.
I would set up shop selling potions and grape juice in safe-ish parts of dungeons when I saw people coming by. I miss being my guild's merchant.
>>341703132
music, anime style and the fact that every female character in the game was a real girl.
combined with my puberty it was a great experience
>>341734868
Stop playing LoL. The worst you'll get in other games, even Dota2, is a rant on how cancerous and toxic MOBA/MMO/nuFPS/whatever playerbase is on /v/.
>>341736941
>implying I've ever played LoL
you've got your game-o-meter tuned south, RO died, literally decades, before LoL was a thing.
>>341734226
>He's never seen a Classical Pluck WoE defense
I bet you never were in a serious guild
>>341737539
Man, private server WoE is the worst garbage.
>get an actual team together
>spam storm gust at portal entrance
>in one week forum is filled with babies crying about how "IT ISNT FAIR" that they can't just spam consumables and asura strike random people
>>341718701
aint no match for my stalker "xX_SHADOW_SLAYER_Xx
>>341737846
>at portal entrance
That's why you play renewal and their WoE 2.0
>>341737846
Its surprising how bad most private servers were at WoE
>No precast defense
>No Scream spam
>Nobody used Unfrozen/Undead
>What's Raydric and Thara Card for?
>Monks actually using Occult Impaction
>Priests using Heal on themselves instead of consumables
>"Our defense is a room full of traps and a Hunter its foolproof"
>Grand Cross, ever
>>341703132
Ragnorok was the best.
>>341738364
Forgot the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqkGxvhhGSc
>>341737846
>>341738167
You must have been on some shitty servers. Wherever I played, people knew to use Marc and Thara, consumables and the standard strategies for defending and attacking, at the very least.
>>341738521
There were a lot of servers, I found the ones with big BR or Pinyo populations had the shittiest WoEs
>>341703132
Thread's theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSg59ynDJDk
erp sim
>>341736095
I made a pure forge smith once upon a time. Being the only guy who could make elemental weapons without players needing a temporary element from a Sage was nice. Then trans released with Weapon Refine. There was no greater joy than getting a rare slotted weapon or an elemental weapon to +10. When you make them Very Very Strong. You got mad rich. Too bad nowadays everyone has elemental scrolls and there exists expensive elemental weapons in the game stronger then what you can craft. Shitsux now.
>>341738075
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>>341732508
I agree but I have to say it amazes me that this is still the case in RO after all these years, there's tons of knowledge (and exploits) that the majority of people never heard of.
Like, there's not even guides on how to do MvPs, you just have to look at their skillset and figure out what to do by yourself.
>>341737539
Finding serious dancer is fucking hard because bard songs are more always useful than dancer's dances, and Soul Linker hasn't implemented yet back then. My dancer mate don't like doing WoE at all.
welp cliqueshitters are here, abandon thread
>>341703132
Sprites were great
Music was top notch
Class design was interesting
PVP is still the best you'll find in a MMO
>>341703132
You being 12.
>>341703132
your first online girlfriend played it
>>341739754It was probably a man
>>341739658
That's always been the problem with Dancers and Gypsy, they don't bring much to PvM so they're never in on parties makes getting to higher levels slower. They have some nice utility in WoE though, Slow Grace, Ensembles, Scream Spam
>>341739660
You're just jelly you dont get to hang out with the big bois
>>341739754
Mine too.
And I got more than enough confirmation that she was infact a girl.
>>341732782
Ntr? Disgusting Piece Of Shit!!
>>341738669
I used to play on a 5x taco server. Thara and raydric/noxious was obligatory + Marc/Evil Druid. Most of them devolved into land battles.
>>341739754
>2005
>Some random blacksmith running around helping a little shit like me by gifting me some stupid things and equipment
>He invites me to his guild which is something zelda related
>Just dick around for hours on end and having a jolly good time while he's just doing his thing with his real life girlfriend
>Month later
>See them around Morroc
>He got cucked by another player on the server
>He's pretty fucking angry and sad
>I try to calm the nigga down
>He quits the game
>Month later he kills himself
>>341740175
Actually, I met many real girls playing this game. I suppose it's due to cute artstyle and hats.
>>341707701
>male guy always acts like an autist when women talk about sex
I hate this shitty anime meme, the writers need to contain their autism
>>341740334
I remember the first day I got a Sunday Hat.
Must have made over 1000 new friends who were all girls in just that day.
>>341739686
>scholar bolt spam with double casting
>rune knight instant death aoe dragon breath
._.
>>341740473
Boy's Cap, the ageless wonder. Wonder why so many high rates before they figured out costume coding used those fucking stupid Lord Kaho Horns
>>341739310
>>341739592
here comes /rog/
ebin
>>341740551
Shouldn't 1v1 Scholars, period. Scholars that know what they're doing fuck people's shit up. Same for the rare Battlepriests.
>>341740664
Just ignore them. We're having a pretty good thread.
>>341740551
That is from way after the game went to shit anon.
>>341707701
what anime?
Is this game even still played?
>>341740664
>>341740734
[gay laughter]
>>341740551
>That one battle scholar
>With Soul Link
>>341703196
You got one? I've never played it but always wanted to.
There was one I found but couldn't get to work. It's like the first result on google.
>>341704284
>shitty, unbalanced
Being anal-retentive about MUH BALANCE is what ruined MMOsand gaming in general in my opinion
>>341740734
All MMO threads on /v/ are fucking quality tiers of good.
I don't know why, but they just are, MMO discussions, MMO nostalgia, literally anything that you could put MMO into are always just 10/10.
>>341740551
>Dragon Breath
I used to run an iRO guild called Dragon Breath
It was just Rune Knights spamming that shit in WoE and like 1 bard+dancer combo and a scholar.
>>341740664
>>341740734
Touhou hats
someone should do an RO edit of this
>for the first time in years, RO PH opens a new server
>pic related is just a fragment of the newbie map
And then it died 1 year laterbut before that I cashed out and sold all my stuff for real monies
>>341742383
There's a pinoy pserver with 4000 players, you know
>>341742230
>Those fucking servers with naruto headbands and stupid shit like that
Sad
