Why do I keep getting bullied when I play this character? Not everyone wants to be a mercy-fag when playing support
>>341644019
POO
>>341644624
Please stop crossboarding with such a garbage meme. If you're going to export something, make it worth selling.
Because a Support should have healing, which she does not. 25 HP shield does not a sufficient Support make.
Indian tech support
designated
poo
etc
>>341644019
Its kinda weird shes in support. I guess it makes sense but when someone wants support, they usually mean "heal me". Shes good, but certainly not as a replacement for a healer.
Because 'support' means 'healer' in the majority of maps.
Symmetra is only useful on some defense maps, whereas healers are useful on all of them.
>>341644758
Would 50 make it okay, or would that then be too high, in your opinion?
>>341644019
oh poor guy, people on the internet say bad things to you
You could be ten times more useful as a Lucio or Mercy, but you decided to pick Symmetra.
>>341644868
Well, it used to be that then it got nerfed. I can see why adding 50 HP onto someone might be too powerful, but they're silly and can only work in increments of 25 for some reason.
Even if it were higher, an actual healer is still needed. After all, what is that 50 going to matter if your base HP remains at like 5 from taking damage? Healing is simply too valuable. And taking time to detour to HP packs is too much of a time waster.
>>341644019
SHIT
>>341644019
No one should bully you for playing her on defense. She's good on defense. Everyone is equally culpable if no one chose an actual Support class. Symmetra is Support in name only. She's a Builder class (with mad scary personal damage if she gets near you).
Because faggots want to be healed 24/7 and for them health packs are either non-existent or lazy to go grab em.
Teleport in the loo is a great addition if player is skilled, even on offense maps.
You're probably not good. Your team should be sucking your dick for smart turret placement and constant teleports.
Because Symmetra is a defense hero, not a support hero. Maybe you'd know that after 5 minutes of playing her, Pajeet.
>>341645116
Depending on the map I don't even like Mercy or Lucio on Defense. You have plenty of med kits to jump to on most maps, I would rather just have a more oppressive lockdown.
>>341645253
This. I would also reclassify Zarya as support, personally; she's not exactly ideal for sitting in the middle of an enemy fire when her 2 second shield is down.
That's why she should be put in the defense class, so retards who need to follow the team tips know she's not a replacement for a healer.
If you were on defense they were just idiots and you should ignore them.
If it was offense or KOTH then hell yes you should have played an actual support-support.
>>341645403
She's definitely a tank. An "off tank", but still a tank. Playing her solo is absolutely retarded.
>>341645338
>>341645231
And 1v1 kills. Symmetra is a good fucking character.
Unless you're playing her on the 1st point on defense you deserve to get bullied.
Symmetra gets weaker and weaker the farther the enemy team pushes up.
>>341645253
Definitely this. Symmetra certainly "supports" but doesn't replace Mercy,Lucio, or even Zenyatta when it comes to making people not dead. She is amazing on defense point maps for the first half, but you seriously want a real healer.
She apparently used to give 75 shields in beta. Can you imagine her and Torb teaming up to create 300 hp tracers? Fuck.
>>341644019
And nobody wants some pooinloo bitch who can't heal.
If she was labeled "defense" the only problem people would have wtih her is that she's an autistic pooinloo
She isn't a support hero yet people pick her when the team needs support
The problem is that 2 people always instapick Widow/Hanzo so a team never needs defense heroes, which is what Symmetra is very good at being
>>341645568
She's both but her kit is more support-y than anything. The game really needs to have healer and support be considered separate, anyway.
>>341645253
You mean she isn't a healer. Teleporter is the best support skill in the game alongside Res.
>>341645808
I'd poo in her loo.
And she can poo in mine.
>>341645253
Nope. She's good for everything. If she can set up a good teleporter it wins games. She's also an amazing dps because if she gets time to wind up her weapon it will stay fully charged going from person to person. You can wipe entire teams, shut down genji's and tracers, and wreck tanks. The worst Symmetras just make turret rooms to one shot people then do nothing else.
Also her shield recharges but 25 hp is almost nothing.
>>341645918
The thing is the other 3 supports are healers so its just odd shes classified as support.
>>341645918
It's a thing she builds. She's a builder. Builders belong in defense.
Or do you want to move Torb to support because he shits out armor packs?
>>341645721
This is only slightly true and immensely overstated. Good Symmetras are oppressive in the final rooms of most payload maps and the teleporter still turns everyone into a superior Tracer in terms of getting back on the payload to pause it.
>>341645789
Torbjorn supports too. Let's make him a support.
>>341646079
It's a support benefit. It's Lucio's speed buff on, well, speed. That said, having a separate builder class once the roster grows is fine by me.
>>341645194
She's actually a builder, if you are in defense and someone gets sym, the "no builders" tip will be removed. So yeah, I don't know why she is support, because she can build and give a little extra hp, something that ikea does too.
I guess they found out only 3 healers wasn't enough and shoved her into the support role. Instead of actually trying to make another real support character.
>>341645338
You're gonna get laughed at but I agree. What's Mercy add to the Russian map over what Torb or Bastion could do with damage?
If there is any character who can single handedly win a game it's Symmetra. Retarded CoD kids just don't understand the value she brings to games.
>>341644019
I like when people play her
I love running behind her
She has the best hips in the game
I think the problem is the team pick screen. Get rid of the class labels and composition tips. It happens far too often that a bad composition will have no tips.
>Symmetra gives people shields
>Can build up to 6 turrets at once
>Classified as support
>Tobelrone literally spews out armor for everyone at the speed of light
>Can build a single turret
>Classified as defense
>>341645447
They could just put her and Tolberone in a builder category and rename support to healer
What does /v/ think of lucio players
>people are still falling into the trap of trying to pigeonhole every character into a distinct mmo-style role like they did with dota and lol
side note: how can you have a tank in a game that isn't PVE? you do know what tank means, right?
>>341645838
I sort of wish they would let heroes be considered both "Healer" and "Support" at the same time. For example, Zenyatta heals but also does a fuckton of damage if you are accurate with his spheres. Could he not be a defender and healer at once? Toblerone is a defensive hero but also supports with his huge armor boosts. Support and defense at once?
>>341646561
He's pro in some maps, he's alright
>>341644019
shes pretty fucking good at some maps like numbani
>>341645838
Maybe once they add a dozen more heroes, if they stay with this roster and just move heroes around some types would only have 2 or 3 heroes.
Like dva, she's a mix of attacker and tankor just a shitty tank with no firepower but dvafags won't admit it
she is defense
>>341646561
Knocked 5 people off on Lighthouse today. Feels good.
>Hollywood
>You're on attack
>Defending team has 2 toblerones and a poo
76 is more of a support than Symmetra.
Torbjorn is more of a support than Symmetra.
Symmetra is just in a category of her own. Brings Teleporter, has other shit.
Her gun is crazy if fully charged up. The orb goes through all shields. Her turrets are actually the worst part of her kit and bait people into thinking she's made to set up turret hallways or something. Sym can do everything but tank imo.
>>341646561
Like Pizza
Even when it's bad, it's good because it's pizza.
>captcha
>select all images with Pizza
PIZZA
>>341646763
>pick Pharah
>win
>Symmetra is shit, pick Lucio or Mercy instead
That's not how it works you shits. Symmetra is not a healer, so comparing her to Lucio and Mercy is pointless.
>>341646561
this is the best highlight intro in the game.
>>341646408
Teleporter is equally good on offense, you just have to fight like a rabid wolverine with your orbs and death ray on the first push to help your team win it, which is less difficult than most admit.
>>341644019
cause youre probably playing her on attack like a jackass.
>>341646763
>Dorado
>You're on Defend
>Attacking team has 2 Swedish Chefs who built on the car
>>341647523
Look at this idiot. Look at him and laugh.
Sym is a beast on offense. You've never set an offensive tele and turned a tough stalemate into an easy win obviously.
git
fucking
gud
>>341647523
mfw playing her on that one nepal map and building the 6 turrets in that one room right by the point
how to play pro sym on defense:
>spam shield constantly
>fill an area with 5 or 6 turrets no less
>spread them out decently well
>support them with orbs and distract enemies
>place teleporter a corner or two back
>switch classes when pushed back to spawn
how to play pro sym on offense:
>dont play sym on offense
>>341647691
>Sym is a beast on offense.
Is that why no one bothers with her on offense in tournaments?
She's support because her teleporter is essentially a revive with guaranteed 6 revives if it stays alive. Also while she doesn't restore health, the shielding she grants regenerates until death. Which to a skilled player could mount up to massive sums.
>>341647691
hell yeah, brother
Symmetra on attack is diety-like if you know what you're doing
>>341644019
she has the highest win percentage atm
>>341644019
>70 games
>90% winrate on her
>I only play her first point defense
broken hero until you need to back up.
>>341647781
People not discovering something early isn't an argument man, you know this. Now that I'm good at just flat-out killing niggas with Symmetra I'mma start experimenting with her on offense.
>>341644019
I hope she gets shifted to defense and Pharahs mum takes her healers spot. Also, why the fuck does her ult have limited teleports? Such a miss in potential
>>341647691
if your team can beat 6 enemies with just 5 even with a scrubby dead weight symmetra, then you could have just picked a character that can fight and could have steamrolled them and saved your team the respawn timers, instead of mitigating the run-back time with a port
i love it when someone who makes bad picks tries to be clever with their stories about something that happened once, and fails spectacularly
>>341647781
>Tournaments
>Mattering in a casual shooter
>>341644019
>"I'm gonna change to Lucio since we need a real support :/"
>"Can you change to someone who can actually heal?"
>barely win
>I'm the only one who gets a commendation on my team
>>341644019
She's not much of a support to be honest, more of a defense character.
Symmetra can be very powerful in specific situations, and the combination of her+turrets blocking off a flank and the teleporter bringing back others can mean a nearly impenetrable point A.
If you've got a real support on your team and you're not on capture point attack or koth go right ahead and go symmetra, but if the team needs a healer or you're not on a mode/side that favors her then you're wasting a slot.
DESIGNATED
>>341647741
>>switch classes when pushed back to spawn
see >>341646134
>>341644019
Once you reach lvl 30 people will start to not complain as much
Just have a healer along side with you and she can do a lot to help
>>341647781
>tournaments
Unless YOU'RE going to be in a tournament I don't think you need to worry about the top 1% meta.
>>341645694
THE
>>341646408
to be fair her old shield made her a broken secondary support.
Is Winston better on defense or attack?
The game has him classified as a defensive hero, but I feel like he's really effective on attack
>>341646561
Easy to get into and deadly with pros. Good character
>>341648089
If her ult had infinite spawns the second a character says "They have a teleporter!" the enemy team would focus ALL efforts and totally ignore all other objectives.
Now if you increased the amount it took to get ult by 50-100% it might become an interesting mechanic, but you know it would be broken as fuck if it was unlimited.
>>341647781
She was used back in the early days when she gave 50 shield and you could throw an Orb of Harmony on Genji and he would live fucking forever.
>>341644019
Because there is many paths to tranquility, but not for brown skins
>>341648113
Overwatch is a competitive team based shooter. Fuck you
>>341646570
It's a big thing that absorbs damage. Even in and MMO like WoW you'd have a tank carry flags and guard points in PVP.
>>341648170
>actual decent conversation about game mechanics
>underage meme-addicted Redditors trying their est to counter it
>>341647741
>dont play sym on offense
>place teleporter near objective
>save team a 30 day long march through hanamura
people should try out some things instead of parroting what some anon said about some competitive player once
>>341647003
>play torb
>widowmaker has my back at taking down pharah while i plop down armor packs for everyone
>>341648070
We have a few different possibilities
1. Actual good players somehow haven't realized her potential
2. You're playing against shitters
3. You overestimate your own performance
I think the latter two are more likely to be true.
>>341648097
That is weapons grade levels of >implying. Enough so to warrant an autism check.
You're clearly btfo, for what reason I have no idea. I'll continue dominating you as Sym on offense and you can continue posting middle school level rants on 4chan.
>>341647691
ayy lemme get your battlenet ID so i can play against you on hollywood with you playing symmetra on attack, and get some free wins. My win percentage has been down a litle
FECES
>>341646561
I want to win but I didn't spend 50 funbucks to play TF2 Medic
>>341648434
>posts a picture of a robot cuck that follows a brown human religion
>>341648491
>encouraging by replying to him
>>341648434
Zenyatta health buff when? Even just 25 more health I mean, damn.
The only good thing about her is her teleporter.
That's it. She fucking sucks otherwise
>BUT MUH DAMAGE RAMP UP
Which you never get to use senpai a lam a jam a slam
>>341648491
overwatch itself is a meme game. if you want a shooter with actual mechanics then try quake arena
>>341644019
Because you keep picking worst girl.
Pick Mei instead.
>>341648339
He's better on attack since he can leap and give hot monkey dick to break up defenses.
>>341645403
Zarya's friendly shield does have an incredible amount of utility, but at the end of the day its main function is to make Zarya the biggest threat on the battlefield with charge.
It's pretty easy to get 50 charge from a friendly shield, and only slightly harder to get a full 50 from the personal shield. Zarya at above 50 charge is scary as all hell. She's easily the most offensively powerful Tank.
You're right that she can't just sit out in the open, but neither can DVa or Winston. Only Reinhardt fits that definition of a tank. Zarya is built for popping in and out, between the bubbles and having a massive 200 shields for recharge-able health she's not gonna go down and if she gets her charge she's scarier than a roadhog.
>>341648519
>play mercy instead
>immediately revive your team
I wonder which one is better.
>>341648113
Just like how Soccer and Basketball are casual sports, right?
>>341644868
Symmetra just needs to be in the defense category, really.
>>341648609
Sounds like you were hit with discord orb a few too many times in your last game, anon.
>>341648559
>2. You're playing against shitters
We're ALL playing against shitters. Are you some pro who's graced our lowly plebeian selves with your presence?
>>341648609
actually its a robot religion fool
did u even read the lore
>>341648660
>>341648790
It's Buddhism bro, come on
>>341648790
Ayy my robot brother
>>341648659
>Which you never get to use senpai a lam a jam a slam
Guys I found the shitter.
>>341648559
>2. You're playing against shitters
Pretty much this, you CAN wreck shit with her but it pretty much requires the enemy to ignore your presence because you have no movement or defence tools.
Unsurprisingly she is also incredibly powerful on consoles due to not needing to aim.
>>341648559
what happens on tournaments doesn't matter for maybe 95% of the players. I'm willing to claim that you and most other anons justifying their "advice" by pointing at the competrtive scene don't even participate in tournaments.
during regular play you can still rule will zeny and can still pick symmetra on attack
the heros are fairly balanced for casual play
>>341648779
There's this thing called MMR.
There are many levels of shitters. The guys he's killing are the worst of the worst.
>>341644019
Is Zarya OP or is everyone on my team feeding her 100% charge?
I rarely play her because playing solo everyone fucks off at the first sign of danger.
>>341648659
>I don't ambush and gank people when all my other responsibilities are done
Literally git gud
All the turbo autists saying Symmetra can't be offense. I've had plenty of success with her placing good teles and flanking for kills.
This is approaching
>SYMMETRAS ARMS ARE NOT BLUE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Just because the game says she's "Support" and some youtube retards say she's actually "Defense" because she has turrets.
>>341648609
there is disquiet in your soul
>>341648563
>>341648339
I play him a lot, and this is my opinion: Offense. He's great at disrupting behind enemy lines. Jump in, take out a lone wolf type (say, a widow or a hanzo), and maybe some symmetra turrets, and retreat. Ideally you draw some of the ire of multiple opponents while doing so, because that means less focus on your team, and then you get out of there. However, don't jump directly into the enemy fray, or you'll get killed FAST. He's not good at directly tanking hits, but you can move the payload pretty well. The shield isn't great, but you can at least frustrate the opponent with it.
You can't kill roadhog solo. Never try.
Don't become predictable with jump in, jump out, because a few predicted hits will kill you easily. Sometimes you gotta switch to another character altogether because he can be pretty useless. Like the final stage of Hollywood.
On KoH maps his ult becomes at least twice as good, especially near drops.
>>341649295
>disquiet
Why do I keep getting bullied when I play this character? Not everyone wants to be a mercy-fag when playing support
>>341649094
i honestly think people just don't stop firing even when they see her bubble. it's frustrating.
>>341646561
>>341649093
>There's this thing called MMR.
Yes and unless you're playing in some sort of dedicated competitive meta, the average MMR for the both of us will be low. It's not in the slightest bit unbelieveable that someone with even a modicum of skill in shooters can't spam "vanguard" orbs on offense and 1v1 pub players.
>>341647003
Maybe if the Torbs set up their turrets right next to each other, with a clear view from the entrance.
If the Torbs have their turrets apart, Pharah is going to, at best, be able to take down one, then die before getting the other one down. Then that turret goes right back up. Junkrat would have a much easier time of it.
>>341649462
Zenyatta is SS tier now that widow got nerfed
>>341649272
If you're low MMR pretty much anything can work
If you're on console Symmetra's auto-aim and people's inability to turn or fine-tune their aim will let you easily win by spazzing out on the left stick and holding down the trigger
If you're playing against competent PC opponents, no, Symmetra cannot do well on offense. She'll get a helping of hot monkey dick faster than you can say pooinloo
>>341649228
>ambush a mccree
>he flashbangs you and fans you the death
>ambush a pharah
>she jumps and shoots you to death
>ambush a tracer
>she blinks from your range and kills you
>ambush a reaper
>he kills you in two shots
>ambush a reinhardt
>he hits you twice
>ambush a zarya
>she beams you to death
>ambush a roadhog
>he oneshots you
>ambush a winston
>he beams you to death first
>ambush a dva
>she shoots you to death
>>341644019
Play on console. You can take on Reaper and McMeme with her and still stand a chance in a 1v1.
>>341649094
Probably your team being shit.
Her shields are on a massive cooldown and she does zero damage without charge. Your team probably isn't chasing her down when she's low on health and finishing her either.
>>341649094
Zarya's OP status depends on the stupidity of the enemy team. if they're shooting her shields she is going to wreck shit. If they don't she remains mediocre tier and ignorable outside of her ulti
>>341649503
>level 50
>constantly matched with presitge'd players
>earlier today was on a team with a level 214
We're both shitters though right m8?
>>341649631
This. Plus every game won't be a series of mic spam or shit talking
Still waiting for a legendary symmetra skin.
Any will do.
>>341647523
>Playing Torb on Attack
>The entire enemy team gets taken out by your turret because they weren't expecting to find one
"Defense" characters can be great on attack, if you use them right.
>>341649620
>If you're low MMR pretty much anything can work
Literally everyone is low MMR, though.
>>341649746
>play time = skill level
>terrible reflexes
>playing on a toaster
>decent prediction skills90% winrate as Symmetra
>>341649462
>Not everyone wants to be useful when playing support
You could be credit to team by playing Mercy, Jet Set Bob Marley or even Symmetra to a certain extent.
>>341649746
You are if you think level = skill / MMR, so possibly only one of us.
>>341648720
they have to die relatively close to each other from a time AND space perspective
they are revived on the middle of the battlefield while glowing so they just get fucked again
you can only revive a maximum of 5
a well hidden/protected teleporter works very similar to the revive but your mates have time to coordinate and it doesn't need timing as they can trickle through one by one
once the enemies know that there is a teleportet they'll be busy searching for it and running into your trap
well mercy still heals people I guess
>>341648097
>implying Sym can't fight
No one can beat her in up close one on one combat.
>>341649574
>If the Torbs have their turrets apart, Pharah is going to, at best, be able to take down one, then die before getting the other one down.
Are you retarded? You don't stay in sight all the time when you shoot down the turrets. You peak, shoot a rocket, repeat 3 times. Very little damage taken.
Torb is one of the easiest characters to counter.
>>341644859
This pretty much.
She's more like torbjorn with teleport utility.
>>341649868
how about you suck my asshole and YOU go lucio then you shitstabbing nigger queer fartface?
>>341649792
>Any will do.
Nah m8 only the techie ones are good, Hindu ones are legit dumb
>>341648287
LOO
>>341645532
If you play simmetra on def without another actual support in the group, you are effectively being a torbjorn at best.
>>341645918
>Teleporter is the best support skill in the game
If you were healing instead of shitting around with tiny turrets, your team wouldn't need teleporters. Because they'd still be alive.
>>341649627
Mcree, Winston and Reinhardt are the only ones this is valid for, there's a close range dance you can do with Symmetra and her autoaim that makes her near unkillable, it's brutal. She eat's Genjis, Tracers and Zaryas for dinner.
I really think they should just make her shield rechargeable after a certain amount of time the other player has been alive.
There's plenty of times where I have seen teammates live for ages but have healed/etc and i cant give them another shield. I don't think it would make symmetra too strong, but it definitely would help her in the support category.
>>341649810
>Literally everyone is low MMR, though.
No.
You're retard.
>>341649094
Her ult is one of the most powerful tools in the game and her damage when charged is godlike.
>>341649470
>>341649656
>>341649657
There are definitely teams/people who just shoot the bubble, but at higher levels of play Zarya gets charge by bubbling on reaction. Oh, and from turrets. Turrets are basically 50 free charge.
>>341648750
THIS
The problem is when that "No Support Hero" box goes away 80% of players are just going to assume they're fine when in reality they will still need a healer. Symmetra makes no fucking sense as a support, she's basically a Torb/Zarya hybrid.
I love symmetra because I tend to get shaky with my aim in direct combat and she allows me to btfo of most anyone including tanks by just strafing around their big dumb faces while I nuke them with "creation" beams.
>>341646763
>pick junkrat
>clear everything in 20 seconds
Was that so hard?
>>341649987
I do. I'm also way more useful than any dead weight Zen
>>341645338
>>341645403
You both are fucking retarded. Stop playing the game.
>>341650182
>high level play
>turrets
>>341645338
>Depending on the map I don't even like Mercy
>Try to play ambush Roadhog
>Flank enemy completely
>Move in to hook them
>My team's mercy flies right through them to get to me
>4 enemies turn around and gun us down
Thanks, healslut.
>>341649859
You probably play Sym mostly on defense, and defense is incredibly favored to win in OW.
>>341649936
You take little enough damage to take out one turret, not two. When you peaked out to take your first shot at the second turret, you'd get instakilled. And that's assuming literally no one on the enemy team is shooting you while you're trying to take out these turrets. Hollywood does not have enough range for you to not get hit by the turrets, and unless the Torbs are facing them towards the wall, you're going to get hit for every shot you take.
>Torb is one of the easiest characters to counter.
Your right. Two Torbjorns are much harder to counter, though. You can do it with a coordinated assault by your team, but you can't just counter pick.
>>341649850
>>341649891
>level is time played and that's not the same as skill, someone can play a lot and be bad
>this must mean that the two have NO correlation
You're smarter than that, anon.
Or hell, I don't know you, maybe you aren't.
>>341646940
brilliant
heres your (YOU)
>>341650330
>non-animated gif
absolutely disgusting
Also high MMR play on console is nothing but 2tor
>>341650132
>start shooting Genji with my laser
>he tries to deflect
>>341645403
Pretty much none of the "tanks" are actually tanks besides reinhardt.
Winston is more a disruptor and diver.
Roadhog is a bruiser.
D.va is trash.
Zarya is a supportish off-tank.
>>341649919
>a well hidden/protected teleporter works very similar to the revive
No. There's a huge difference between coming back almost immediately and coming back after your death timer has finished and you've run back from wherever the teleporter is located. In the former, the defense doesn't have time to get back, while in the latter they do.
And most of the time they'll easily find your teleporter anyway and destroy it immediately.
>>341650505
>high MMR play on console
>>341650330
>mfw play of the game is torb literally staring at his own "Well played." spray while ulting and his turrent practically sweeps the enemy team
Imma make a webm of it sometime
>>341646408
Her Teleporter is why she's support. Getting people from the spawn room to the front line is an important support ability that Mercy and Lucio both have as well.
>>341650201
I want to nerf her Meka
>>341650378
>When you peaked out to take your first shot at the second turret, you'd get instakilled
Yeah, turrets don't do that much damage. Besides, where's your own support?
> Two Torbjorns are much harder to counter, though.
That's even more easier to counter.
>>341649868
Typical Zenyatta player:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePplLq9GFUg
>>341650791
kek
>>341650075
That's probably the most retarded anti-Sym argument that can be made. I've played with excellent Mercys and Lucios and people still die, particularly flankers and infiltrators who don't use them.
>>341650791
>turrent
>ent
Why do so many people say this, holy shit.
>>341646561
God-tier in KOTH maps, decent on defense, borderline useless on most offense except Hanamura. Also kinda depends if the map has a lot of verticality (where Mercy is usually better), how many tanks are on your team (multiple tanks? Lucio is arguably more useful with boosted heals), and whether or not you have a good Pharahsince a decent Pharah is almost always up in the air, giving mercy a free moonshot if you need to dodge an ult, then pop back down to revive
Honestly it comes down to chokes with Lucio, since his heal rate is pretty slow. Lucio works best for full-team sustain, meaning when surrounded by his team in an area with lots of cover. Also really good on Lijiang, Nepal, and Ilios for dat speed boost.
>>341648745
>top team's tactics matter for a play with friends in the afternoon
I had someone go into an autistic meltdown because they thought Mei couldnt play on attack.
>>341650132
Okay, so you're playing on a console since you seem to assume that people can't aim.
>>341644019
I had the weirdest fucking dream last night where I was playing as Symmetra. I was doing really well too, thenReinhardt dragged me to a room, stripped his armour and stretched me out with his massive dick
It was pretty vivid.
>>341650748
What, you think MMR doesn't exist on console?
>>341644019
>Roll Symmetra in arcade
>Volskaya attack
>Never die
>90% on fire
Almost felt sorry for the other team
>>341650660
>D.va is trash
Waifuism aside, she's not that bad. Her SHIFT ability lets her move quicker than other tanks and her infinite fire rate can be useful in suppressing the other team. I keep hearing Winston is the preferred Tank whenever D.Va might be a good option, but I always end up doing better with her. Even her E ability with the shield is more versatile than Winston's pathetically frail bubble.
>>341645253
Fucking this
The only reason she was put into support category is her ult. Everything else is like torbjorn.
>>341651107
It literally doesn't. It's 100% connection based because consolefriends get mad at anything else.
>>341646763
Pharah and Junkrat focus turrets, while Winston burns down Poo's minisentries.
There, I just won the game for you.
>>341650968
>anti-Sym argument
It's not an anti-Sym argument, champ.
It's a EVERY TEAM NEEDS A HEALER argument. Sym's fine, she's just not support. Her teleporters are useful enough, but they can't replace actual heals.
>>341650870
>That's even more easier to counter.
Not for a Pharah. Not even for a Pharah with a pocket Mercy. Even if you got the second turret down, the first one is going to be back up again.
>>341650879
Team already had a mercy. You could have done more damage and healing as Soldier 76, senpai.
>>341651280
Good luck coordinating that shit with randos. The issue with most people's suggestions for counters is that they're dependent on your team not being retarded.
>>341650580
>low health reinhardt standing there like a retard with shield up thinking it will block my orb
>bastion letting my slow as fuck orbs hit him over and over
>Mei's try to out beam me
>>341651354
Yeah, it's hard to win games when it's 1v6 or 2v6.
>>341646561
they're helpful. keep playing him.
>>341648484
This is how I know you don't play Dota.
The roles in dota are not as defined as they are in an MMO, or even league.
>>341651381
>more damage than discord orb
>healing with cooldown
heh
>>341650879
>Pre made pub stomp
>Mercy doing the actual healing and reviving
Dead weight alright. His dps would have been way higher if he would have just picked Cowboy or Old Fart: 76 (who can also heal properly compared to Zen)
>>341651351
I don't care what your motive of argument was,
>If you were healing instead of shitting around with tiny turrets, your team wouldn't need teleporters.
is incorrect for the reasons I stated.
>>341651480
You're the one that stated you could win with 1 Pharah against two Torbs (and a Sym) on Hollywood.
>>341651248
>playing with friends on PS4
>crush a team on console in about 20 seconds
>"Finding a more balanced game"
>>341650791
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imxV9RJMU2M
>>341651680
Yeah, and I assumed that I have teammates that are doing something.
>>341648652
I mean I understand that he's got crazy damage, so in order to balance him they need to either nerf his damage or buff his health.
The issue is that he's clearly meant to be played like a sniper-healer, since his orbs have zero deviation and zero falloff, and harmony orbs stay on teammates as long as you have los.
The issue I have is that he's also really fuckin slow and easily picked off by a sniper, rendering him useless in all the situations he should be good in (namely, long sniper lanes) since Hanzo or Widow can still two-shot him.
honestly every single simmetra i see its fucking worthless. They always stay in their sentry ridden cucksheds waiting for someone to enter to grab some healthpacks to get their couple ofpity kills, meanwhile teleport has 10% uptime and no one is ever getting shields, while pretending to be filling the support role.
If you pick simmetra when your team has no healer you should consider suicide.
>Plebs saying Symettra only works on defence.
The frontline exists for both sides. Having turrets and a teleporter behind yours, helps push it forward. On top of that his alt attack is great for poking defences.
>>341651847
It's easy to win games if you have 5 people doing the work for you.
>>341646763
>have a team of 5 toblerones and 1 poo-in-loo
>defending on numbani
>position them on multiple high and low points around the objective
>enemy team cant push through
>they leave it to the last minute to make a decent attempt at grouping up
>we all pop our iron cores
>they just get shredded
they didnt even get a foot on the objective.
>>341650879
Christ I love it when good Zens partner with me as a Reinhardt player.
>>341652029
You have to set up turrets in some place you can get to without being seen on offence. Shes fucking 100% useless on attack and most of the time on defense. Once you know where shes set up they kill turrets and she becomes dead weight
>Put down teleporter on any attack/defend map.
>Am instantly the hero of the game.
Symmetra is pretty based, I was surprised.
>>341650684
>And most of the time they'll easily find your teleporter anyway and destroy it immediately
that's what the turrets are for
like I said, the revive gets them back to a location where they died, so it can't be very safe there and it straight up doesn't work on environmental kills
I'd rather have a well placed teleporter than a revive that could get me right into another ult
yes there are situations where an instant revive helps to push the last bit but during the game's build up a teleporter is more favourable
>>341651885
but why are you upset?
>>341649086
"what happens on tournaments doesn't matter for maybe 95% of the players"
It absolutely does. While 95% of players can't play as well as them they can emulate their play styles and team line ups.
The people who play in tournaments are the results of the best players getting together and using strategies that work, and work well. You can bet if every tournament team started running double Trollberone on defense that it would seep into casual play. This is how metas are created and how it matters for the other 95% of the playerbase.
>>341645338
I think they can both do well as defenders--Lucio's RMB is situational but they are both capable of plinking down retards who don't realize not-Zen can still murder them.
I hope to god the playerbase at large never wises up to this. There is nothing more satisfying than 1v1ing a shit Genji or Tracer who think they are soooo good for jumping you.
>>341651083
the dream clearly means youre submissive and gay
>play symettra
>if my team dies they can come back faster after respawning thanks to my ult
>play mercy
>if my team dies i can revive them instantly thanks to my ult
Why should I play as the one who fears the toilet witch again?
>>341649462
>defending hanamura
>widowmaker cant' bully me anymore
>debuffs everywhere
now if only I could aim a little better
>SYMMETRR IS ONLY FENSE MY YOUTUBE PERSONALTIY I SCRIBED TO TOLD ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>has orb that goes through shields to fuck turrets/bastions and other players hiding behind reinhardts or winstons
>only defense
The autism surrounding this subject is unreal.
>>341649462
Zenyatta isn't even bad now, with Widow getting nerfed. Both of his orbs are really good, and his dps is really high for a healer. However, I don't think he's viable as a solo healer, works way better when you have a Lucio or Mercy in your team.
>>341652260
>Shes fucking 100% useless on attack
spotted the shitter
>>341652632
you get loads more value over time with Sym. Many mercy ults can be wasted if you don't get a full team revive.
>Useless on attack
>useless on defence after first point
Her ult is useless when on last point, her gimmick turrets are good for 1 SUPRISE death, her "support" is crap.
Others fill all her roles except teleport, and I'd rather have another character on my team than be down 1 for a tele with limited uses
>>341652632
Symmetra isn't really a healer, your comparison makes no sense. Mercy can't shoot a huge fucking ball of energy that one shots Bastions and makes Reinhardt fuck off.
>>341650791
>>341650934
Even better:
>>341652632
You forgot
>my team dies half as much because they are actually getting healed
Mercy also has insane damage at close range with her shitpistol
>>341652260
>Once you know where shes set up they kill turrets and she becomes dead weight
>She can rapidly put them up elsewhere or re-up them at a moments notice
>She's not guarding her lair and you're dealing with huge DPS
>>341652790
Better go wreck those pros with your offense symmetra then.
>>341652790
We get it, you're Indian. Loosen that turban.
>>341652260
ive played her a couple times on attack and shes ok. She's good for holding a point when you have a good tank that can help push through choke points.
i usually end up dropping turrets as im jumping around and left clicking. it works a lot of the time especially against squishies. It's really just a matter of if the enemy player is strong enough to try to kill your turret also hurting them or if they're too busy tunnel visioning on killing you and if you put a turret down already well it will probably finish them off anyway
>>341652854
>Mercy also has insane damage at close range with her shitpistol
Symmetra beats out Mercy in that regard.
120 DPS gun that tethers.
>>341652846
Uh what? Her orb can't head shot liar Mcliarpants xd
>>341652281
>set up teleporter over the edge of the map
>>341652861
>She's not guarding her lair and you're dealing with huge DPS
A 200 hp character with no mobility tools and a short range weapon isn't particularly threatening.
>>341652632
You're retarded for several reasons, but the simplest reason is that the teleporter has 6 charges and you're mostly only Res'ing 1-3 people. The second simplest reason is that you're comparing apples to oranges.
>>341652846
>125 damage
>one shotting a bastion
You're retarded
>>341652281
>play symmetra
>enemy team's starting picks are Winston and Tracer
>Winston blows up my turrets by looking at them
>Tracer goes out of her way to destroy my teleporter within 30 seconds of placing it
>>341652260
If you do it out in the open like a fucking idiot, sure.
Instead you use the back passages and keep BEHIND the front line, set up you turrets on pathways as a warning light and start using your energy balls on the slow targets.
>>341652157
how to I break it to you....you're playing with an mmr that is for special players. good luck though.
Symmetra is fun as fuck to use on defence but a healer she does not make. She can be a substitute for one defence hero slot, easy.
>>341652443
trying to emulate it isn't the same.
okay let me explain: symmetra appears to be low tier when attacking in tournaments because a communicating, skilled team exploits her weaknesses so much she's better off switching to another character
now people like you think she's completely useless on attack ALTHOUGH you'll probably never face a team of 6 people who trained together, are highly skilled AND can communicate with each other. this is important since it still is a team based shooter.
this means: you alone won't be able to fully disable an attacking symmetra BUT you alone can symmetra work on attack.
the game is casual enough to make unorthodox things work.
>>341653201
They are in enclosed spaces, which is where they'll be. Symmetras who are good at "dancing", especially with her narrow hitbox and 3+ carwash rays cleaning you, is aggravating and you're not impressing anyone by pretending it isn't.
>>341653375
>Tracer fucks with you nonstop the entire game.
>Just keep putting down turrets and end up spending the whole game babysitting your teleporter.
Goddamn limeys. It also sucks that your ult doesn't charge at all while it's up.
>>341652846
>makes Reinhardt fuck off.
>125 damage with a 2 second charge time
>making Rein fuck off
He'll just step to the side and avoid the extremely slowly moving ball. No need to even take off your barrier, because 125 damage every 2 seconds is basically nothing.
>>341653091
There's no flat DPS to her death ray as the damage accelerates.
>>341653091
She does have really good damage but good luck charging that up to max dps reliably. If she had a engies dispenser instead of the turrets it would be so much better
>>341653693
Wrong. Symmetra's gun starts at 30 dps and scales up to 60 and then 120 DPS with sustained fire. You'll notice the beam widen. The boost says on for 3 seconds of not hitting someone.
It's been proven that her gun doesn't scale up infinitely or any higher past 120 dps for that matter.
>>341651080
Absolutely not. And no, people can't aim I don't have to assume anything. What works works.
>>341653375
Winston definitely fucks you up by Tracer just means I have to stick closer to my lair to fight her.
>>341644019
Because even though Symmetra is a great character, she does not fill the same role as Lucio.
