so what shall it be, will you join me ? or will you die ? JOIN! DIE! JOIN! DIE!
>>341612378
DIE DIE DIE!
*shoots you and u explode*
>the fallout series will never have an antagonist like this again
>>341612502
hank and the president was so fucking weak in comparison
Fallout 4 is not a bad game.
But it is by far the worst fallout game.
I think it is you who will be joining, Mr. Master
>>341612502
Master is going to be resurrected and brought to the East Coast in Fallout 5.
Screencap this.
what a great character
is there any other primary antagonist who can compare to The Master?
>MFW PENIS TOES
>>341612791
i actually thought the president in fallout 2 was pretty good
>>341612502
Father Elijah was pretty good
>>341613030
who would be the master of the republican party ?
>>341613030
>My "Undocumented" voters assure me they are not rapists.
>Have you asked the women?
>Hmm...A fair request. Wait here.
>...
>No...This cannot be!
>>341613302
Trump is Frank Horrigan
>>341612378
HE LITERALLY DID NOTHING WRONG
>>341612791
Ulysses.
>>341614369
He got sort of frustrated at the end and killed himself. That's pretty stupid. Also, it's weird that they never had any psychics in Fallout after him, except that one kid with the headgear in NV.
>>341614393
>>341614641
>he never met Melchior
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Melchior
>>341614641
i always liked how he mindfucked you while you were running up to him
>>341613782
You've gotten a lot farther than you should have, but then you haven't met Donald Trump either. Your ride's over, paco. Time to die.
I want a competently done Fallout 1 remake, but I really don't want Bethesda to make it at all. Fuck Gamebryo, fuck radiant AI, fuck all that shit. That's not Fallout.
>>341612668
I wouldn't put it past bethesda
>>341613030
David Dees is the best
>>341613516
>>341614909
Very nice. Who's Obama?
>>341615331
Eden
>>341615331
this faggot
>>341615514
WELCOME TO CAMP NAVARRO
>>341615514
I liked Eden's speeches though. I thought he was pretty neat villain.
>>341615528
I unironically think him kicking out the vault dweller is one of the best delivered lines in vidja.
>I'm sorry. You're a hero!
>And you need to leave.
>>341614641
>He got sort of frustrated at the end and killed himself. That's pretty stupid.
Why? You point out to him that his entire life's work has been for nothing and he realizes that he has been an arrogant moron. His plan no longer has a purpose; his race has no future, and he doesn't consider himself worthy of being mankind's new leader anymore.
He was obviously a little mentally unstable / bipolar to begin with, even before his transformation. Deep down, he probably felt disgusted with his own physical state even as he boasted about how superior he was as a lifeform
>>341615889
FO1 had some fantastic voice acting. I don't know how they got the budget for that.
>>341612378
President Eden was the last creepy villain Fallout will ever have
Now it's all MUH HOOVER DAM or MUH SYNTHS
>>341612378
>Goodbye
>Save game
>Try to kill Master
>Die
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
>>341616101
interplay was one of biggest game devs in the 1990s
they got the original cast to do a star trek game
>>341616236
Synths and the institute could have been great but
>bethesda
is Wasteland 2 any good? How comparable is it to old Fallout?
>>341616236
>Eden
>Creepy
If by creepy you mean stupid, then yeah. You literally tell him to commit sudoku because he's a computer and he does it. No evidence, no character arc, no pathos. He's just a computer that exists to kill himself.
>>341616776
Its a Wasteland game not Fallout.
Its okay/decent/mildly good now that the bugs have been ironed out.
>>341612908
I was tricked into believing OWB was the best DLC for NV, but when this line came up I cringed so hard it hurt
>>341616776
The 'Director's Cut' or whatever updated version has weird bug where the game freezes randomly when saving/loading, corrupting said save file.
>>341615967
The mental instability is what I'm criticizing. It's clear that he was invested in his vision and worked towards it with inhuman ferver. When he discovers the infertility problem, despite his peerless resources and intelligence, he never considers other option or even measures to fix his current plan. Scraping everything is an exceedingly puerile act from an otherwise godlike character, which I think makes him interesting, just not ineffable.
>>341617046
what the fuck is this?
>>341617247
My rebuttal.
>>341612502
They tried something similar with John Henry Eden and it failed miserably because of how retarded he was.
And sure, The Master should have known about his mutants not being fertile but JHE was a complete joke. Autumn was a dumb too.
I think the only recent Fallout antagonist that I really liked were Lanius and House.I don't even care if I'm called a obsididrone, you know it's true
I guess Maxson gets an honorable mention, and Kellogg would too if the protag wasn't driven by "MUH FAMILY".
>>341616913
wait was that childhood story, about him and his dog, from the radio a lie?
>>341617343
Because the antagonists in NV were properly written, but i feel like Legate is a slightly improved version of Frank Horrigan from 2
>>341617374
Wait, I just realized something
>Talks on the radio about growing up with green pastures in rural Kentucky
>Everyone knows the known world is a fucking brown crater, save VERY few spots like Jacobstown
>Enclave never had territory in KT
>yet this raises no alarm from anyone
And why did the Brotherhood blast their base to hell instead of salvaging it? I guess finding useful supplies in a hellhole like DC is wrong if it's your enemies shit
>>341612573
>Hank
FRANK was a nice character and fight but the Enclave are mediocre.
>>341616913
I just liked how he had his ridiculous propaganda station and it turns out he's just a computer. It was weird at the time.
>>341617802
What I want to know is how the hell they got a working Airship from 3 to 4 and in working condition
>>341617802
The brotherhood aren't the sharpest knives.
>>341617950
>"Time to die."
You can't talk him down. Based.
>>341617950
I think FO in general can't seem to have good "villains" and i put that between quotes because your adversaries are just people with different views on a situation
They are villains because they are in your way, not because they are evil
>>341617046
the thing is he *can't* fix his current plan. He has to restart his army from scratch to fix the sterility problem. The Master did not understand the chemistry of FEV nearly enough to be able to modify it into a new virus. Only that supercomputer underneath The Glow had the details on its composition and synthesis.
When you show the proof to him that his mutants were infertile, he gets overwhelmed with disappointment and despair because he cannot not think of any way to get around the problem.
>>341617950
oh wow, didn't even notice i got the name wrong
also the fight is complete fucking bullshit, it relies on you having built a SPECIFIC character so you can win, if you can't hijack the turrets and/or convince the soldiers to join you and your character sucks with energy weapons, you're fucked
>>341618343
>Master
>Frank Horrigan
>Enclave in general
>Ulysses
>Think Tank
>Institute
They have different perspectives but they're still evil. Their solutions are either to cling to the past, blow up the world to start over again, or kidnap people for experiments. At least they're mostly memorable (Father not included).
>>341612668
I would actually be OK with something like the master because it would at least help explain the random super mutants.
And it would actually be fucking cool if there was some mutant hive in the glowing sea. It'd make that area interesting. It would have also been an actual threat compared to stupid robots.
>the final dlc isn't about mutants
>the final dlc is about fucking raiders in nuka cola world
Just fuck my fallout up.
>>341618435
>cannot think of any way around the problem
IMMEDIATELY. He can't deal with an issue with his plan immediately. So he kills himself and his resources, snuffing out the best chance humanity had for rapid reconstruction. WORSE THAN THAT, he leaderless army roamed eastward murdering everything in their path. Again, puerile to say the least.
That's my point.
>>341618764
I didn't get the feeling that Think Tank was all that malicious. They are totally insane and have zero regard for human lives, but it's only partly their fault. The Courier can still control them, guide their inventions, even teach them to be people again.
>>341619548
It's evident that even before the war the Think Tank were some mean motherfuckers and many of the staff working under them were uncomfortable with their willingness to do unethical things for the sake of scientific advancement i.e. intentionally singling out isolated communities to send dangerous prototype tech to as live controlled experiments without giving the people they were experimenting on any idea of how dangerous the tech really was. They're not just wacky insane brain jars, they're a group of people who even when human did extremely shady things with no regard for ethics because they were focussed solely on discovery.
>>341620402
Their justification is that more discovery will lead to a netgain of good through more science happenening. A few billion eggs being broken is a small price to pay compared to the lives theyll save. Of course even this justification has probably been lost to them at the time the game happens and its turned into discovery for the sake of discovery.
>>341619281
Basically, he thought he was doing a good thing for the human race with the UNITY, and after you present the proof, he realizes that all he had really been doing was hurting humanity. Understanding that, and seeing all the disgusting shit around him for what it is (not the future of human evolution, that's for sure), he realizes that he is a menace to the human race he was trying to save, and that he and his army are too far gone to save. They must be destroyed.
>>341621893
do you need very high speech skill to make him do this? Or do you just need the proof?
>>341622848
I think you need both proof and high speech.
>>341623620
Oh nevermind. You can have proof or high speech. Dont need both.
>>341619281
he perfectly explains why he does it in the last line of dialog you have with him (3:13 in this video):
https://youtu.be/6-UUTGamYp8?t=167
>But it cannot be. This would mean that all my work has been for nothing. Everything that I have tried to . . . a failure! It can't be. Be. Be. Be
>I . . . don't think that I can continue. Continue To have done the things I have done in the name of progress and healing. It was madness. I can see that now. Madness. Madness? There is no hope. Leave now, leave while you still have hope . . .
some incredible voice acting
>>341624325
>>341621893
Why do you guys think I don't understand why he nuked himself? I just think it was sort of stupid.
>>341624325
He's also the VA of Winnie-the-Pooh and Darkwing Duck
hehehe
>>341618896
>People bought a season pass for the sorry excuse that is the majority of Fallout 4 DLC.
>A lot of people probably bought the Fallout 4 season pass even after they pushed the price to FIFTY FUCKING DOLLARS.
>>341624325
>Before dipping humans, get them pregnant
>wait untill the kids grow up, get pregnant, dip them
>have a controlled population number
Why didn't he think of this? He even had a cult, set up dipping as a form of maturity ritual, after you get babby.
>>341630828
That's too unreliable
What about male kids?
What if the population revolts?
Mutants are trustworthy, humans aren't
>>341630828
To mantain a good genepool he would need thousands of humans. That kind of population can't be easily controlled be a handful of muties
