Bois i want to join the pc master race but only have about 600 euros, what pc components should i buy?
>>341600097
A ps4
>>341600097
an i3 and a low-mid tier graphics card will let you play most games at medium, the rest is all pretty easy, mobo to fit your cpu, ram to fit your mobo a psu of 500+watts
>>341600097
http://www.logicalincrements.com/
>>341600169
this is what I did
op don't be a fucking nerd and miss out on sweet Sony exclusives
>>341600097
Two questions OP.
1) What games do you want to play?
2) Do you want to spend 600 and be done with it, or put 600 down now and upgrade more in the future?
>>341600169
>>341601669
Sonyggers are the worst
>>341600346
>>341601576
These.
Also use pcpartpicker.com to check for compatibility, and take advantage of used parts if you can.
http://www.pcgamer.com/pc-build-guide-budget-gaming-pc/
>>341600097
i5 2500
Cheapest LGA1155 mobo
8GB DDR3
GTX960
500W 80+ Bronze PSU
pirated W7 Ultimate x64
instant 1080p / 60fps, for less than 500€ at best.
>>341601669
>sweet Sony exclusives
>Sony
>exclusives
>>341601853
I usually play lol becouse i have a shitty laptop, but im fucking tired i want to play more grafic demanding games, like ds3 on medium or something like that.
>>341602137
Do you trust used parts? Cause I never bought used parts, feels like some of them could have like shit in them that fucks it up
>>341602968
Holyshit don't pirate the OS, get by with evaluation versions and slmgr /rearm (if Windows 7). Pirating the fucking OS is like fucking Indians bareback in the Ganges
Is the Asus rog g20 good?
>>341600097
dont fall for the pc meme get a Playstation 4™ and have unlimited fun.
>>341602968
This is glorious.
Anon, simple, yet divine.
Pirated wwindows made me kek, but it's just right on point.
>>341600097
I built a pretty solid PC for about 500 pounds. Just order all your shit off Amazon and use PCPartPicker to help you choose what goes with what.
>>341602968
i might actually use your recomendation ill keep you guys updated, im currently finding the pieces in the store i usually buy
>>341603728
>>341604089
What's wrong with pirated windows?
Are you guys retards?
>>341603603
Do your research on them. Usually refurbished is fucking fine. The truth is that even 'new' shit has plenty of defects at times so 'used' can actually be better just because someone actually put some time testing it out.
A certain percent of people always get screwed just because of how complex this whole system is but chances are that won't be you if you are buying from someone with a decent rating.
>>341603728
If you're concerned with security buy the fucking OS. If you can't afford it then I don't know why you believe having an eval version is better. Hackers know the most updated versions the best because people with money are the ones they are hacking, which is why updates need to come out in the first place.
You'd be better off running fucking vista like me, which so many use and is so well known by hackers they go after soft targets only.
>>341602968
Forgot HDD or SSD
>>341604559
>HDD
>for gaming
I swear if you have to get a fucking 40gb SSD its worth it.
>>341603603
As long as you buy from trusted sellers you'll be okay. The part is obviously not going to last as long, but it can be a good way to save money if you plan on upgrading said part later on.
>>341603728
Fuck off. W7 is literally the easiest OS to piraye and crack. One reason MS is desperate as fuck to get people on their Botnet10.
>>341603808
Don't know the specs, so can't say.
Asus does make good stuff tho.
still, build your PC .
>>341604310
Attaboy.
I got quite similar build with the 5yo GTX560ti, and I still play everything comfortably at 1920x1200.
>>341604559
Literally cost as much as some McMeals these days.
Also, do not fall for the SSD meme.
Don't bother unless you can spend at least $1k. Assuming you're starting from scratch, you'll also need a case, HDD/SSD(s), peripherals, and a decent monitor.
>>341605416
Fuck off. You NEVER need to spend more than 1000 bucks on a gaming PC.
500 is a good starting point.
>>341605914
anon, you cant get a good PC until you spend AT LEAST 2k, and thats just medium settings, if you want anything more than trash its gonna be upwards of 3k, though i spent 3800 on mine
>>341606292
this senpai just get a ps4 its way cheaper and better.
is it nice like this?
>>341606505
Gets the job done, yes.
I have the opportunity to buy a friend's old 670 FTW for $30. Can someone help me put together a build for $500? If the 670 is underpowered I can upgrade it later, but I'd like to use it for now if possible if that's a good deal.
Can someone post the chart between the ATI and Nvidia card hiearchy pls?
>>341606505
Wait for the RX480. You're overpaying for that 960 as it is, even if you hate AMD and want worse performance from a 960, it'll still plummet in price in the next month.
>>341606505
>Geforce
You gonna regret it one year from now.
>>341606961
i5 6500
Any H110/B150 with decent reviews
8gb DDR4
1tb Western Digital Blue (stay away from seagate)
Evga GS 550w
NZXT S340/Phanteks PRO M/Phateks P400/Corsair 200R/Define S (read up on these)
Kinguin windows 10 key if the microsoft's bullshit doesn't bother you.
Comes in around $550 including 670.
>>341606505
Dude dont fucking buy an i5 3330. Sandy bridge is outdated as fuck. It is 4 YEARS OLD right now. Try something newer, Haswell is the bare minimum, try getting skylake if you can. An i5 4440 should be around the same price as the 3330, and it is much newer.
>>341606292
>sonyggers actually believe this
>>341609024
Not to mention that it wouldn't perform any better than a Skylake i3.
>>341609024
Thanks for the tip! ill look into that
>>341604410
Wondering the same thing
I got W10 (((legitimately)))
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>>341612551
>>341611210
Let's not turn this buyer's guide into an OS war
If you have less than 1000€ to spend, don't bother and get a console instead.
Just being honest.
>>341612708
I just want to know what's wrong with pirating Windows
>>341600097
poorfag build:
amd x4 945
8GB DDR3
Cheap motherboard
AMD RX 480
512GB ssd
450W gold psu
note: The Cpu/mobo/ram will be outdated significantly when amd zen comes out.
>>341613269
>amd x4 945
I mean amd athlon x4 845
>>341613269
If your looking for a cheap CPU, go for the athlon II x4 860K.
But yea the RX 480 is probably going to be worth the wait, its coming out at the end of this month, and should be better value than a 960, will see if AMD actually manages to deliver.
>>341613495
oh 845, okay, I thought you were thinking about the phenom 945, ye dont buy phenom
a 13 year old dindu managed to build his own PC without outside help
if you can't even do that, you don't deserve to be master race
>>341612797
What? You can match console performance at €400 and then build something exponentially better for €600-800. €1000 is a fucking 1070/980TI build.
>>341613760
The 845 is based on excavator so it has better ipc than the 860k.
You can use baseclock to oc the 845 to 4.0ghz and it runs cooler than the 860k I think.
The x8 pcie gen 3 doesn't matter for single gpu
>>341614135
This
You probably cant exactly match console performance (in games) for 400eur, but for 500-600 you can get a decent PC. And on PC you can actually choose between performance and graphics, unlike on console where most games are locked to 30fps.
Or you can just spend a bit more, or upgrade later, and have both the nice visuals and high framrates
>>341614436
You're totally right, i actually didnt know that
looks like the 845 is the better option after all
>>341613897
I have a Phenom II X4 that I bought like 5 years ago and I never had any kind of problems, can play all recent games with decent FPS with a R9 270x
>>341614775
Sure but why buy something that is already 5 years old when you can buy something much more recent for almost the same price.
>>341600097
Wait till the rx 480 launches or buy a used card cheap as fuck thanks to
the sheer ass ravaging that card is going to do to the used market.
Also from what I understand AMD having outright bad drivers isn't really all that true anymore. They just have never had the software engineering backend to compete with Nvidia in fixing Dev's code (nvidia rewrites shaders) and having per game hacks to deal with the fact that game devs in general DO NOT write directx/opengl code to correct specifications.
Dx12 and Vulkan are going to force devs to learn how to actually write decent code and any optimizations nvidia shills to get a dev's code more in line with specs should end up helping performance on amd cards too
Built this some 3 years ago, should I consider upgrading?
reminder most of /v/ is poor as fuck and mostly plays league of legends, and cs go on AMD toasters
>>341600097
>falling for the MASTARD RACE meme
Have fun with ASSFAGGOTS and retro-indie-pixelshit!
>>341607681
This OP.
WAIT TILL MID JULY
>>341614974
Depends on what you want to do with your PC
>>341606961
I have the 670 FTW edition. It's a great card. Only now have I just started using High settings as opposed to Ultra.
I'll be getting a 1070 within the next few months but this card has served me well.
Can't go wrong for that price desu
>>341614519
In a few months a build with an RX460/470 and whatever Zen CPU will compete with the Pentium will offer far better performance than a console while staying within the €400-500 price range and allowing for a decent case and good quality seasonic PSU.
>>341615139
Been PC gaming for 9 years - not played a single MOBA or indie game on that time.
Stop shitposting.
>>341602968
Just buy a windows 7 professional 64 bit key from kinguin.net, it's less than $20.
Then burn a disc for it yourself.
Microsoft doesn't get your money and you have a clean, legal copy of windows and the support that comes with it.
>>341615265
Right now that's playing Witcher 3
>>341615139
Have fun with your "cinematic" fps and online subscription fees.
>>341612551
>Implying anyone on /v/ has the skill necessary to install Gentoo.
>Implying that, even if they had the skill to install it, anybody on /v/ would keep Gentoo for more than one week because MUH VIDYA
>>341616085
You could probably run it with the settings cranked down but you might want to consider a new build. You're on 7 year old hardware.
>>341616692
So should I just build a new one or do I reuse some of what I have?
>>341616883
You can reuse the storage, ODDs and RAM. The case, too, I suppose. Upgrade the rest.
>>341616085
Then I'd seriously consider an upgrade, no idea whats your budget, but that CPU isnt even hizzing the minimum sysreq for witcher 3.
But if you are upgrading your cpu then you will also need a new mobo, and even RAM if you are going skylake. You will also need a new GPU.
>>341616883
No need for an entirely new build, just keep the HDDs, optical drives, the case, and possibly the ram. As for the others, you will have to upgrade them.
>>341600097
>>341604310
Wait on the rx 480 that comes out in 2 weeks and go with an i5
The other retards are telling you to go with a shitty 960 or old piece of shit that isn't worth a damn
>>341617197
I wouldn't recommend reusing DDR3 ram with Skylake here/Zen around the corner. PSU you might get away with upgrading later on if you bought quality. Case should be fine too only you might have to do some slight jury rigging to get an SSD into an old case.
>>341617197
>>341617304
Thank you kind anons. My budget is around $600 right now, so I'll see what I can find.
>>341604836
Where do you usually buy used GPUs from?
>>341618112
Really depends on where you live, I live in a small country so I just usually look around on the local hardware forums, there's a bunch of people selling stuff there.
Because it is a forum it's really easy to do a background check on the seller as well.
I have bought quite a few used parts this way (not just GPUs), it worked out well so far.
>pc bros are actually nice and help
>>341619026
Mustard Rice are usually pretty nice when it comes to helping people build a PC, since it's everyone coming together to help a bro out.
The faggy elitism isusually always from reddit
>>341619303
>usually always
kek
>>341617810
Their advice is shit. You're the guy with the i5 right? Does it even reach 100% in games yet on the cpu side? Is it even overclocked? If I were you I'd wait for the rx 490 and then put it in and see if it bottlenecks. If it doesn't I'd then upgrade my cpu.
I'd recommend a 1070 but I get the feeling the 490 is gonna beat it in a few months and if this pc is long term, waiting is not a bad idea to get a full view of things.
>>341619026
Unlike consolefags.
>>341620024
It's not overclocked, didn't want to risk it.
Guess I will wait for the rx 490 then, it's not like I'm in much of a hurry yet.
>>341619026
I think you mean
>PC bros spoonfeed retarded, clearly underage redditor
>>341619026
like most terrible things perpetuated by reddit "pc master race" was a tounge-in-cheek remark that reddit took seriously and eventually macerated all the possible humor out of.
>>341620024
>I'd wait for the rx 490
There won't be an RX 490. AMD will be releasing 3 cards for their new polaris lineup, the RX 480, the RX 470 and the RX 460. Thats it.
High end AMD cards will be launched later on the Vega architecture with HBM2 and all that crap.
>see if it bottlenecks
It doesnt even hit the MINIMUM system requirement for the witcher 3. Of course it is a bottleneck.
>>341606505
>>341615175
Wait for the 480, don't be a retard. Get your 6 teraflops ~16 months ahead of the xboners.
>>341621000
But will I be able to enjoy fully uncompressed pixels on a PC?
>>341619303
To be fair anywhere where there is discussion about PC gaming there's going to be some asshole complaining about how not everyone has the highest end GPU/his exact set up.
>>341621285
Probably not the best quality pixels because only microsoft own the licence for them right now, but somewhere close.
>>341621000
Nice trips
>>341600097
Wait for Zen to get cheap CPU and use rx 480.
Just like that you have the two components for less than 400 dollar doo
>>341618620
Is it advisable that i buy only the CPU and the GPU used and save about 400-500 bucks combined and go ahead and buy the rest of the parts of the custom built new?
>>341601989
>ask /v/ whether to buy XO or PS4
>mustard fag answers PC
>literally nothing happens
>ask which PC to buy
>somebody says PS4
>fucking sonnyger cancer
PC gamers everyone
>>341622745
Read through the posts and tell me people arent helping out OP with his build, fucking retard
>>341623242
What? I am only talking about that double standart where somebody doesn't want something while some fag recommends him that. Somehow it is only bad when console gamers do that.
>>341622354
I usually try and buy the cpu+mobo from the same seller to make things easier.
I pretty much buy everything used other than SSDs/HDDS and PSUs. You gotta be careful with those.
Also never buy cards that were used for bitcoin/litecoin mining. Those can die on you anytime.
>>341623719
Oh so its ok then? Cause it makes no fuckin sense spending the price almost equal of a laptop on a single Graphics card. As compared to saving about 300 dollars for the same decent card
>>341622354
Depend on the cpu, high end CPUs are higher binned/ and last fucking forever.
Old server CPUs are a damn good cheap mini upgrade.
Im debating whether to wait for Zen or just throw an x5650 in my old i7920 build
>>341620673
>It's not overclocked, didn't want to risk it.
I have an i7 920 that defaults at 2.6 ghz and I oced it to 4 ghz for around 7 years now
No game maxes this shit out at 1920x1200p at 60 fps for now anyways.
Just try a mild oc and see if games tax the cpu by checking the usage. In any case zen cpus might be cheaper too so by waiting a couple of months the end year should include that too. If you're not made of money, this is the best option to see what tech is better once you have a properly way to see all your options. After this, the new generation of cards will take a while.
>>341624009
Do used GPUs necessarily break faster? Would it not matter if i buy from someone with an existing warranty?
>>341623940
Saving 300 dollars seems to be a bit too good, even if we are talking dollarydoos.
Use common sense and you will be fine.
And always ask for warranty. Even if the warranty has expired you will know exactly how old the card/cpu is which cant hurt
So I had some trouble running Doom at 60+ fps on GTX 680. I thought I would need a new GPU to achieve that on ultra settings, though after finding the "Metric" Stat on doom, I turned it up to Ultra and I see that the 3 Bars that shows how it's running that GPU and FPS can be in the green zone at times but the CPU was bright red.. Overlocked my 2600k from 3,5 (base) to 4,5 ghz. And now It raised to orange and I can run 60 fps for the most part.
Still lots of drops and I need to be High to medium to keep it floating above 60 fps, this means my CPU is bottlenecking my GPU, right? Does it mean it would be smarter to upgrade my CPU before getting a GPU? Or is my shit just too old in general and both needs upgrade.
Also RAM, does the speed really matters+ I think I have 1666hz ram or something, would increasing it to a higher number make my computer 'faster' in general? When loading things that is.
>>341624690
specs.
>>341624269
My 920's at 3.8 i know my shit is still god tier in multi thread but im not sure about single threading
>>341613225
Nothing.
>>341615970
>OEM keys
>support
If you call up Microsoft and give them a oem key, they'll tell you to contact your manufacturer. If you're computer literate you should be able to solve any windows problems on your own, but if not you just buy a consumer key, or just pirate it anyways.
>>341602968
>>341604310
Wait for the RX460/RX470 if you actually want a significant performance boost in the lower price segment. The GTX960 is obsolete.
>>341623713
Because the drawbacks of console gaming are so bad this generation that for the first time in years it's straight up ill advised to have a console as your main platform. They're just low end PCs.
However if somebody says that their budget is €/$350 but they persist throwing PC shit at them, then fuck them.
>>341624690
Not sure, but probably cpu bottleneck.
No, faster ram wont make your PC faster 'in general'. When a game is loading it is slow because you are reading the game files from your HDD/SSD and putting them into your ram. But it is your HDD/SSD read speed that matters. If you want faster loading times you need a fast SSD.
Faster ram only helps access files faster that are already stored in your ram.
>>341625008
you have your ram running at 1333Mhz (DDR= double data rate, 666*2=1332 which we round to 1333)
If you really have 1600Mhz ram you should fiddle around in your BIOS and set it to the correct clock speed.
>>341620896
>High end AMD cards will be launched later on the Vega architecture with HBM2 and all that crap.
Which should be from now to the end of the year. Since this guy has a fucking hd 5700 it's clear he's the kind who wants long lasting hardware. Waiting a few months to see which card is best for the next 3-4 years is nothing.
>It doesnt even hit the MINIMUM system requirement for the witcher 3. Of course it is a bottleneck.
The cpu side of minimum requirements are over inflated with requirements.
There's nothing wrong with doing an oc and seeing if it's bottlenecking.
Even this guy ran it well with an i5 750 oced at 3.5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwXDR-XJPE0
Didn't even 100% on the cpu side but got awfully close with that 970 which is getting old.
>>341626324
Woah witcher 3 runs better on a 7 year old cpu than on consoles. Nice!
You're right, the cpu doesn't hit 100% usage, but neither does the GPU. So surely there must be a bottleneck somewhere? Or is it just the witcher being poorly optimized?
I want to upgrade sometime soon, but it'd mean getting a new mobo and cpu on top of everything else. How many more years can I milk this thing for?
>>341619303
Yeah this, reddit use pc master race unironically.
>>341625460
> buying AMD shit
fag.
also if my GYX 560ti can run any game out there, a 4 gens newer one simply cannot be "obsolete".
>>341627729
> people STILL don't realize that 100% usage of anything would be a catastrophe
>>341631175
>Brand loyalty to a GPU company
Could you be more of a loser?
>>341631368
Obviously we dont mean 100%, but very close to it.
When I'm gaming my card usually sits around 97-99% usage wheres the card in the video only went up to around 80%
I would like to get a laptop as I travel around quite a bit,Before people go full
>laptop
>playing games
I just want to be able to play things on medium to high spec.
Any recommendations,My current laptop has lasted me 6 years so its age is really showing.
>>341600097
pcpartpicker.com go nuts
One last bump
>>341601989
Pcucks are the worst
>>341627729
Why make the comparison? He owns an i5 which and literally the first model but was still better than shitty amd jaguar's. Cpus haven't improved that much but while his is outdated, it can still keep up at 1080p. My i7 from 2009 is doing the same and hasn't died at 4 ghz.
>>341628706
You're joking right? The cpu is fine if you have it overclocked at 4 ghz
The only thing you need is a new video card. That's it. Like the other guy just wait a few more months and decided between the rx 490 and the 1070.
>>341600097
FX8320e
RX480
>>341636050
>Why make the comparison?
It just really surprised me thats all. I don't think you would have seen a 5+ years old CPU beating the Cell and Xenon processors when the ps3 and x360 came out.
>>341603384
are you a fucking retard? Bloodborne, TLOU, Journey, The Last Guardian
Only xbox exclusives are shitty multiplayer games for russians and children
PC's are empirically better but lack the games mentioned above
>>341616443
>skill necessary to install Gentoo
How do I join the master race if I'm too retarded to build my own PC?
>>341639320
You don't.
>>341639320
You go to a small PC shop and ask them to make something for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS1l2hrH4qQ
Doing what this guy did will save you so money, just use the rest of your money to buy a better graphics card, psu, and such.
>>341639320
You literally cant be too retarded to build a PC
Even children can do it
>>341603826
But theres no games for it.
CPU Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor $179.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard MSI H110M ECO Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $62.98 @ Newegg
Memory *Kingston 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory $26.99 @ SuperBiiz
Storage *Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $44.99 @ SuperBiiz
Video Card *MSI Radeon R9 380 2GB Video Card $163.98 @ Newegg
Case Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case $49.99 @ Micro Center
Power Supply SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply $68.99 @ NCIX US
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
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Mail-in rebates -$30.00
Total $597.91
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>>341643179
Looks pretty good, just get the 4GB 380 or wait the the 470
