let's have a comfy lore/theory thread
>Koroks are present
so it has to be after WW right?
Does anybody have that picture that shows Ritos and Gorons on a wall? Google isn't helping.
>>341586951
Got ya covered famalam.
Why do we have Link waking up in a capsule with water? Was he in cryosleep? What does that mean for the lore? Was this same Link present in another game?
>>341587197
He's the Link from SS, because he's right-handed.
>>341587068
>Ooccoo with the Wind Waker races + Zoras
Nice.
But why is Link so tiny?
>>341587068
Thanks anon, have a (You).
I hope we'll see more familiar races like Dekus
>>341586383
IS that a fucking skull on that robot?
>>341587068
I hate the timeline if only for the fact that Zoras "evolve". Couldn't bird people just have been their own race?
>>341587231
Probably not him. If he slept for a 100 years or so, then Hyrule would be an incredibly short-lived kingdom to be built and destroyed in such a short timespan. Doubt Hyrule would even be able to have any glory in such a short time. TP Link is a lot more likely since he is the only other Link who has been right handed (though only in the Wii version).
what did TP HD mean with this?
really, no memeing, why is there Link fighting a birdlike monster on Ganondorfs armor?
>>341587389
I think it's the robot, can't see a skull there
>>341587068
>That copy pasted manlet Link
nice
>Oocoos
Please no.
>>341587068
So the Triforce was invented by Gorons? The 3 people on the panel on the left look like Zelda, Ganondorf (look at that nose) and midget Link.
>>341587760
On closer inspection it's just some spooky roots
>>341587471
I think that the reason they made the rito evolve from zoras is because they wanted the tie-in to the old zora sage to be intact but couldn't properly come up with a place for the zora to live since they would undoubtedly live underwater, which would make it so much harder to travel to their home. They made the rito evolve from the zoras in order to bypass this restriction, I think, since it would be much easier to give them a home island of a sorts if they don't have the entire fucking ocean as their home. Still doesn't quite make sense lore-wise, but from a development perspective, I can see why they did it.
>>341587952
no roots, just part of the guardians
It's either before The Great Flood (will tell why the Goddesses did it, probably because of Sheikah becoming way too powerful and totally breaking the Cataclysm Cycle), or in the Great Flood 'Downfall'/Power/Gandondorf-Victory timeline, where he won and raised the Old Kingdom.
>>341588071
They couldn't just had had a Zora Island? They could use it the way seals and turtles use them.
They could also just say that only some Zoras adopted to land/flying, while others stayed in the sea.
They mentioned you could go and face the final boss as soon as you start the game. I can't help but feel worried with this much freedom, I think the game might lose it's focus on the story, like if you can go and complete the temples in any order you want (or not complete them at all) what is the point? They'll feel weightless when you stop to think about it.
>>341588256
>Great Flood 'Downfall'/Power/Gandondorf-Victory timeline, where he won and raised the Old Kingdom.
This is my bet right now. I get huge Wind Waker vibes from the game, but I don't see where it could possibly fit in the currently established timeline, so I could see another split.Only other thing I can think of would be some kind of unified timeline.
>>341588256
can't be grfore the great flood because the Deku Tree in WW told Link that the Koroks got their form due to the great flood
BotW is already confirmed to take place 100+ years after TP.
Did you guys not watch the stream?
>>341587197
These are the most popular theories at the moment
>This is a Link from a different timeline who has been pulled resurrected into BoTW's time. He might even be a previous hero we already know of, like Skyward Sword Link or Ocarina of Time Link - because BoTW's era lacked a proper hero, or the hero for it went MIA.
>this is a brand new Link who died 100 years ago to Calamity Ganon until the Sheikah revived him, hence the liar being called the resurrection chamber.
>He isn't Link. Rather he isn't even human but is some artificial android/clone/synthetic organism created by the Sheikah to seal Ganon as a last-ditch effort, which would explain the lack of a green tunic, right-handedness, the amnesia, etc.
Pick your poison.
The thing climbing back and forth the Death Mountain could be a Boss?
>>341588574
>100+ years after TP
>Koroks present
that doesn't fit anon
>>341588574
I watched most of it, but not all of it. Link to footage if you have it?
>>341588574
I hate the fucking timeline. All it does is restrict what they can do.
>>341588502
You haven't played LoZ have you?
>Calamity Ganon
>Calamity
>"It"
So Ganon got corrupted so much that he stopped thinking and became a force of nature
>>341588502
Also in almost every game since the NES era (save for ALBW) in which Ganon has appeared, he's been interactive with or at least expecting Link throughout the game. It's going to feel awkward if he just shows up in the final dungeon area skipping any buildup. Maybe if you challenge Ganon too early he'll blow you away clear across the Overworld Map like in the first part of WW? Surely, your interactions with him will change depending om how much of the world you actually challenged/explored beforehand.
>>341588502
It sounds like they're taking a Soulsborne and Majora's Mask approach to the story and lore though, so that's fine by me.
Reminder that the convergent timelines theory is very very stupid.
>>341586383
Fuck why does this game have to be on Wii U, it looks so comfy.I own a Wii U but will it fuck look like that on release.
We seriously need a more powerful system, and don't fucking say the NX with it's magnet controller.
>>341589032
Timelines are a stupid idea in the first place, I don't know why autists feel the need to connect every game when that clearly wasn't the intention when the series was first created.
>>341589032
Isn't that what happens with Turn A Gundam?
>>341589214
>NX with it's magnet controller.
>believing that every patent becomes a product
shaking my head family
>>341589264
Timelines are a thing across multiple mediums. Please, tone down the autism.
>>341587681
Ganondorfs bird in windwaker?
>>341588851
Bellum 2.0 incoming. Disappointing, I wanted a villain with a personality
>>341587068
>Rito and Zora on the same tablet
Where is this from in TPHD? Or does that just happen to be the filename?
>>341589214
I really can't grasp why people immediately turn stupid while talking about the NX. The controller won't be a magnet but sure the NX is a magnet of stupidity itself.
>>341589546
Temple of time I believe.
>Koroks appeared
>TP HD foreshadowed Ritos
So we'll finally see Ritos with realistic proportions.
>>341589546
You can find it in Hyrule Castle Town, just beyond the central area and in front of the actual castle.
>>341589032
Why is it a stupid theory when there's so much evidence like >>341587068 or pic-related supporting it?
>there is a coherent Zelda timeline that makes complete sense and was taken into account when designing the games, they weren't just a bunch of unrelated adventure games until Nintendo decided to throw together an """"official""" timeline fucking 20 years into the existence of the franchise to please sperg manchildren
>>341588687
Koroks could have spawned in other timelines
>>341589658
>Koroks look the same as in WW
>Expecting the Rito to look different from their WW appearance
Great story mate
>>341589658
But what about Zoras? There is a theory that says that while Sea Zoras evolved into Ritos, River Zoras simply stopped being brutes and became civilized, as you can see by the green Zora Queen in LBW. So we may get both Ritos and Zoras in this game.
>>341588574
Is it worth playing the games in timeline order or just release order or whatever's good order?
Only Zelda game I've completed is ALBW.
>>341589774
To be fair, after Ocarina of Time they started being reasonably coherent. At least WW and TP's placement were.
>>341589756
Because it's more likely that the senile old men who wrote the game didn't remember how the timeline was supposed to be.
>>341589774
They seem to be taking the timeline into account with this game, though.
>>341589756
Because parallel universe never converge. They can be created by splitting the timeline but once splitted, they can't converge anymore.
Now, cross-universe travels? Those are possible. Which can explain why Wolf Link can be summoned and why some SS things can be found in OoT's Temples. Those are all thing that come from a timeline, traveling through space and time.
That doesn't support a convergence theory, just the fact things can travel across time and space, even between different timelines. That's it.
>>341589831
No, Ritos will look ridiculous with their oversized head next to Link. Koroks get a pass because they're not humanoids.
>>341589831
But Koroks aren't humanoid. It wouldn't make sense to have Ritos, a humanoid race, with cartoonish proportions when Link looks out of a generic anime.
>>341589831
Koroks get a pass because their physicality is so inhuman. They're plant shrubs. They should look like plant shrubs.
Rito will definitely have to see some changes in order to be congruent and consistent with other NPC races in the game.
>>341589774
It's even worse when the official timeline first came out it was lime 90% the same as the fan created timeline aside the death timeline (which didn't even make any sense to begin with).
>>341589870
Order they came out.
That way you see how mechanics evolve
The timeline really doesn't matter at all.
>>341589819
Koroks didn't "spawn", they evolved from Kokori to be able to traverse the Great Sea easier. It just doesn't make sense for Kokori to evolve into Koroks unless the world was flooded.
Zelda timeline and timeline fags are the worst thing to happen to this series.
>>341589870
When it comes to Zelda you can play them in whatever order. You actually picked a great starting point
>>341589913
True, but a timeline always was present. They established that when Zelda II was a direct sequel to the first Zelda and A Link to the Past was a prequel to the two. After that, they couldn't really decide how to tie them all together and backed on their words all over the place until they actually got their shit together and put together the actual timeline.
>>341590083
This.
>>341589870
Play SS first and then you can play them in any order you want.
>>341588687
There being an Eldin Bridge after the world flooded is even less likely famalam.
The Koroks are just the Kokori who the Deku Tree evolved to survive after the Lost Woods slowly died.
Its perfectly reasonable to assume that whatever cataclysm caused the Dark age in Breath of the Wind is what pushed them to change too.
>>341589870
the entire timeline is a gamefaqs meme that went too far, no one at Nintendo gives a fuck. Obviously some games like OOT/MM or WW/PH are related but trying to shove the entire thing into a unified framework is on par with the Rugrats Anjelica fan theory in terms of retardation.
>>341589870
Zelda 1
Zelda 2
ALTTP
Links Awakening
ALBTW
Skyward
Ocarina
Majora's
TP
Wind Waker
thats how I would've liked to played them if I just got into them like you are.
ALTTP and Ocarina are literal 10/10s
>>341589994
>PARALLEL UNIVERSE CAN'T CONVERGE CAUSE I SAID SO
Not a decent argument really. Though I agree if it isn't that, then it's definitely cross-universe travel shit going on. Happened in Hyrule Warriors. Even if the game wasn't canon, it's possible Aonuma took some inspiration from it in this regard.
>>341590192
>no one at nintendo gives a fuck
>nintendo made a timeline in 2011
you're dumb
>>341590169
Why? The Eldin Bridge was obviously built before the world flooded, not after. It makes much more sense for this to be a WW sequel than a TP sequel.
>>341588574
I think it's more likely to be before Wind Waker. I think it's a telling of the legend at the beginning of Wind Waker, except with a new timeline split where the same hero from ages ago actually does return to defeat Ganon and the world doesn't need to be flooded.
I mean, look. Ganon even appears as a dark cloud in the legend.
>>341590169
Yeah its amazing how people are saying this is a Sequel to Wind Waker despite the fact we have buildings and ruins from Twilight Princess present in this world, if this was World Flood timeline, they'dve never build Eldin Bridge.
Also >All this fucking Interloper imagery. Who here hype as fuck for Twilight realm return?
>>341590169
It wasn't eldin bridge, it was hylian bridge. There were 3(?) bridges in TP.
>>341590283
>implying he won't make HW canon
>>341586383
Or the Timelines merge together and you get this
>>341590083
>>341590151
Well not necessarily. They transformed to become more mobile, what if in this game something else forced their evolution?
>>341590416
Nah, it's more likely that the Twili were Sheikah now, or rather a branch of sub-tribe of them.
>>341590283
Anon, every single word in this thread is an asspul. Saying convergences can or can't happen have the same "truth" value.
The difference is, as you said, cross-universe travels already happened in the series so they can explain more easily those things you pointed out and make actually more sense than the convergence theory.
Remember: Occams' Razor.
It's the Wind Waker timeline.
>Rock Salt: "Crystallized salt from the ancient sea"
>Koroks are there
Not much doubt
>>341590327
for a series they've been making since the 80s
yeah I'm sure Miyamoto just had a secret plan for a unified timeline all these years and it was not just a cheap gimmick to sell some shitty artbook that was done without even consulting the creators of the games
>>341590416
The point is that we have no idea what Hyrule looked like before the world was flooded in the WW timeline. All we know about Hyrule is what we saw from the opening cinematic and the castle area we saw under the sea. The "Twilight Princess ruins" and Eldin Bridge confirms nothing at all.
As a matter of fact there's much more that points to it being the WW timeline such as Koroks presence and the Rock Salt tooltip.
>>341590570
Timeline discussions exist since the release of Zelda II. And Miyamoto has been asked about timelines plenty of times, even in the '90s.
>>341590416
>Who here hype as fuck for Twilight realm return?
I'm so prepared for the return of maximum over-comfy.
>>341590337
I don't think it's "another" split, but I think it's a split that puts the Wind Waker timeline into the Twilight Princess timeline.
So like, Ganon is revived. If the hero of legend doesn't come back as stated in the prophecy, the world is flooded and Wind Waker happens. If the hero of legend does come back as stated in the prophecy, Ganon is defeated, the world isn't flooded and Twilight Princess happens.
>>341587929
>So the Triforce was invented by Gorons?
WE WUZ TRIFORCE N SHIT
>>341590670
Honestly, the rock salt tooltip, when you think about it, doesn't nessecarily prove WW timeline placement. Who's to say some areas of Hyrule weren't submerged in the distant past only to reemerge later. Hell, it happens in the real world, should be able to happen in Hyrule too, right?
>>341590570
Zelda 2 is obviously a continuation, ALTTP has prequel on its fucking box art, kys
Why was Minish Cap considered the first game in the timeline before Skyward Sword came out? I don't even remember.
>>341588665
Looks like a Guardian. Based on the distance and scale though it would have to be at least 10x the size of the trailer guardian.
>>341590886
Of course it doesn't hold as proof, but I feel like Nintendo wouldn't put such a contrived tooltip on it unless they were trying to point to something. Especially the "ancient" part of the tooltip.
>>341590923
Something about the hat from what I remember.
>>341590923
Because prior to that the "legend of the hero of time" wasn't a legend, it was a prophecy, the master sword hadn't been forged yet and it explains at the end why the Hero of Time classically wore the green hat and tunic.
>>341590923
It was the first time the Master Sword was ever used in Hyrule.
>>341590923
Because Ezlo started the "pointy green hat" tradition for the Hero's Tunic but SS completely fucks up that.
>>341587068
this does seem to lean to a convergence of timelines in BotW. It's clearly SS, WW and TP.
Why else would they make this change in TP HD?
>>341591037
Actually, wasn't part of the Lanayru desert an ocean waaaaaay back in the past? Could be referring to that as well.
The rusty, worn Master Sword reminds me of that old TV ad for Oracle of Ages/Seasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsppcJqc3pc
>>341587327
He's a manlet
but notice how the pics are separated
Well my theory is it is taking place after WW after all the water is gone.
You can see these ravines and big mountains witch is an after effect of all that water floating away.
The Link we start with is just a clone of the real Link and the old man in the beginning is the original or just another clone.
>>341590923
Becuase the hat. But people really can't grasp the fact SS happened WAY before Minish Cap and all SS events have been forgotten, just like the hero being green with a hat.
>>341587068
Can someone explain wtf this is
>>341591140
That's true, I didn't actually consider that.
>>341591263
People found those strange things in some places in TPHD. They weren't there in the original TP.
Am I reading into it too deep if I think the fact that Link is in a tub that drains in the first scene is a nod to the fact that the Great Sea drained as well?
>>341591245
>The Link we start with is just a clone of the real Link
I don't get why people think this. He is just a Link being put in criogenic sleep, the voice calling him clearly implies he was an hero already before being put to sleep.
What about the theory that BotW Link is a cyborg/clone?
>>341591193
Speaking of that, thats a lore point that really REALLY stand to be point out.
The master sword's magic makes it literally invincible, it never dulls, it never breaks its invulnerable, if the sword is chipped and rusting that means the magic in the sword is fading, perhaps a metaphor for the whole "post collapse" empire dark age thing or a hint that perhaps we're at the very furthest point of the timeline in this game?
By now the master sword is like, ancient beyond ancient.
>>341591331
what is it depicting, gorgon (why him?) giving zelda, ganon, and link the triforce I got.
Whats with this mountain that has a chunk took out of the side of it that's almost a perfect circle.
Giant laser shot through the mountain maybe?
There's what looks like a giant guardian walking around Death Mountain and might be from that?
>>341591402
Water seems to be important in this game. I mean, the data tears Link can gather are clearly made of water.
Maybe the Sheika, before Hyrule flooded, decided to put to sleep an hero just in case. Hell, the tower of the gods could have been a test for the sleeping Link as well.
>>341591553
True. It might be REALLY fucking far in the future, after WW. And Fi has rusted to shit.
>>341591638
Could work, since Jabun said that WW link had nothing to do with the bloodline, too.
the real link was in stasis.
>>341591402
If that's true, then Link could be analogous to hyrule, as he was being preserved under the sea
So if this Link represents the old Hyrule, I'd assume he's from old Hyrule. If it takes place in the WW timeline then this could be the OoT link or SS link
What really baffles me is the Master Sword. If this is indeed in the WW timeline, why would the Master Sword be back in its shrine? I doubt whoever resurrected Ganon put it back there.
And why is it so fucking rusty? Isn't the Master Sword supposedly unbreakable?
>>341591553
If we assume this is post-WW, we must also take in consideration one thing: who the extracted the Master Sword from Ganondorf's head? Maybe that's the reason why the sword is rusty. Maybe Ganondorf absorbed its magic?
>>341591765 meet >>341591553
>>341591458
because he wakes up almost naked in a sci-fi looking place. We know there were times when the hero did not show up and Ganon fucked up everyone, it makes sense for the Sheikas to have a backup plan. It also makes for an interesting storyline.
Does anyone tried to figure out the different locations on the BotW map?
I want to see if the location of Death Mountain coincides with the location of Dragon Roost Island or something.
>>341591756
Isn't Zeeldathe one with the bloodline
>>341591625
>giant guardian
oh shit, I thought that was a spider in the webm
>>341591458
Well i dont think the had the technology to put him in a criogenic sleep while the Hero was still active.
It could be OoT Adult Link that they put to sleep somehow or just transported him to the future with the master sword time magic thingie.
Thus the hero was missing when Ganon returned and the Goddesses had to drench Hyrule and midget Link had to step up and take on the hero role instead.
But the thing that breaks this theory is that they talk about Ganon. I mean, did they not kill him for good in WW?
It could be an imposter.
But ultimately Nintendo just gonna pick some retarded story and it ultimately does not matter.
>Link finally finds the Master Sword
>He extracts it
>Uses it against an enemy once
>It brokes
>Oh fuck
Possible?
>>341587068
Eleven million hours on gimp
>>341591812
and it would also explain why Ganon is around yet again, since some previous hero might have removed the sword from his head and made the mistake of waking him up.
Also being submerged in the sea for centuries does that to metal, no matter how magic it is
>>341591982
Demise's curse makes it so that Zelda and Link are reborn indefinitely, but for some reason Link wasn't reborn in the WW era.
Maybe because the real Link wasn't actually dead at all.
>>341591625
where is this giant?
>>341587352
During the gameplay I saw a korok so I guess dekus were replaced.
>>341592029
DELET TISSaved
I wonder if anything from Termina will be in this game? It would be pretty neat to stumble across an old village and realize it's clock town.and a descendant of the carpenter is STILL there, refusing to move like his ancestors before him
>>341591263
You can find these murals within the Temple of Time in TPHD.
For the record of easter egg hints, Ganondorf also has the same Link embedded on the side of his armor, fighting some kind of bird or serpent.
I doubt either of these were coincidental.
>Master Sword rusting
>Hylia worshipping returns
You know our mission is going to restore the Master Sword with Hylia's blessing.
>>341591982
*Zelda the
I fucked up
>>341592013
>But the thing that breaks this theory is that they talk about Ganon. I mean, did they not kill him for good in WW?
>It could be an imposter.
Well, let's be honest here, no matter how many times they seal him or "kill" him, he comes back.
Turning to stone isn't exactly being killed either.
>>341592103
Koroks and Dekus both existed in Wind Waker, although all Dekus were hostile.
What if the master sword was never even special, but it was just made up to give the hero confidence or something? Like in space jam when he gave them the "super water" to make them do better but it was just regular water in the end.
>BotW Link is the true reincarnation
>BotW Link is cucked by WW Link who takes Zelda off to another continent
>>341592163
>stick it up Hylia's vagoo
>it's magic again
>>341592092
That doesn't explain why the Hero of Time died in the the downfall timeline then.
But if this converging timeline theory is true, I have a strong feeling that this game could explain both.
>>341592029
Eheheh
>>341592018
Well it wouldn't be the first time the Master Sword needed some Blacksmithing done on it. Would leave a bad taste in my mouth though.
>>341592092
Technically it's the spirit of the hero that reborns. The hero's will, not the same Link's soul. Otherwise, OoT Link wouldn't be interacting with TP Link.
>>341586383
I say its before Wind Waker. You know how the flooded world is way too big and has new, high locations? Yeah. And also maybe thats why we have the Birdmen and no zoras.
>>341587068
So, those are the three timelines, right?
Ritos and Zoras are mutually exclusive to the Adult and Child timelines and I can imagine the third one to be the Failure one
>>341592159
>You can find these murals within the Temple of Time in TPHD
Not only there, also around Hyrule's castle.
>>341592229
that's verifiable false you mongoloid
>>341590169
>Breath of the *Wild
Piss of casual summerfagKidding, I do it all the time too. I wonder why the tittle doesn't stick?
>>341592018
>mfw it breaks
>mfw it's because each swing makes it cut through all the timelines that have converged in this game
>cutting through all the Master Swords present in those games
>it couldn't handle the paradox
>mfw it becomes a wraith blade after losing it's corporeal form
>>341592280
Well yeah, it's more like it's the Triforce of Courage that gets passed on.
>>341592092
>Demise's curse makes it so that Zelda and Link are reborn indefinitely
wrong, Demise's curse makes it so that he will forever return to hunt down the Hero.
It's Hilya's reincarnation that makes Zelda be reborn, and it's always Hilya's will that makes the Hero appear
>>341592097
Look at Death Mountain and you can see something crawling around it
>>341592229
>Like in space jam when he gave them the "super water" to make them do better but it was just regular water in the end.
Man, this is the most high, discerning and acute example I have ever read.
>>341590337
I think this is the most likely scenario. You don't see anything like the Guardians in TP, so I don't see why people think it's before it. But look at Gohdan from Wind Waker. He looks like he's made of the same magic as the Guardians, and he even describes himself as a guardian of the gods, which is exactly what the Guardians are.
>>341592406
I really REALLY like this Zeldasouls direction, please god let us fight a Giant Guardian Ounuma-san.
>>341592163
>mfw after you restore the Master Sword you hear a feeble "...thank you..." from Fi
Breath of the wild sounds like a super artsy way of saying "wind".
>>341592339
>timelines that have converged in this game
This shit will haunt me for months, fuck.
ok guys what if
>at the end of WW Ganondorf wasn't killed but just banished, turning into stone and shit
>Link and Zelda fuck off (PH and ST)
>somehow after centuries old Hyrule gets deflooded due to a devine prank or magic, whatever
>Demises curse/hatred still exists in Stoneganondorf because it's just banished, so a new Link and Zelda appear
>one day young and not trained Link stumble across Stoneganondorf with fancy sword
>think it's just a statue
>pulls Master Sword out of his head
>manifested hatred streams out of Ganondorfs head and kills Link on the spot
>Ganon is loose again
>shikas somehow find dead Link put him in this shrine
>after some time the stone around Ganondorf crumbles
>he somehow is alive (Triforce of Power)
>but isn't evil anymore because the curse/hatred manifested into Ganon (seen around the castle)
>Ganondorf actually is the old man
>wears a hood so no one can see the mark/scar in his head where the Master Sword was
>later in the game it's shown
Zelda timelines are fucking stupid and if you care about them you are an autist.
The limit the games far more than they add, and if the whole timeline idea was thrown out the window the series would be better as a whole. And you know it.
>>341592406
No kidding, but looking at that fucking gigantic thing gives me more fear than curiosity of exploring the fucking world.
>>341589994
In witcher one of the main events is the cataclysm, which is just a lot of parallel universes colliding and mixing through
I don't think they will pull this off, but in fiction nothing is impossible
>>341592352
Not every Link holds, has or gets the triforce of courage, though.
Minish Cap Link doesn't, ALttP Link gets the full triforce, as well as Skyward Sword Link.
>>341591625
There's also giant skellies walking around.
Boy that'll give me the spooks.
In all seriousness, I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed something off about that mountain. Yeah, it definitely looks like a laser beam cut through it like warm butter.
>>341592229
>What if the master sword was never even special
Play Skyward Sword.
The Master Sword is a sword blessed by Hylia and enhanced by the first Hero with the three sacred flames, you literally forge the Master Sword in SS.
>>341592507
>>341592163
>>341591664
>>341591553
>The Master Sword is Dying and decaying away,
>Hyrule is dying and in decay.
I think the state of the master sword is a lot more pivotal to the story than we are giving it credit for,
whats the most emotional zelda?
I say Majora's
>>341592582
>Zelda timelines are fucking stupid and if you care about them you are an autist.
Yet I bet you're in every Dark Souls thread talking about the lore.
>>341592582
Give me some examples how any of the previous Zelda games would be better if the timeline didn't exist. I keep hearing people saying this and I definitely see how the timeline could work as a limit but we haven't seen anything like that so far.
the hero of time is the only true Link
>>341592529
What gives people the slightest idea ganon won't be overtly evil? Even in WW he was going to fuck up everything. And he's a red head.
>converging timelines
Oh boy here we go again.
OK, /v/ help me out. We ACTUALLY know that this Link has been asleep for 100 years.
Now to say that this is post WW, or post TP is ridiculous. There are too many contradictions ALL previous 3D games. What if this is a Link from Oracle of Ages & Seasons? Or LttP?
FUCK this whole discussion is giving m a headache.
>>341592507
I really loved the concept of Fi, it means that the Master Sword in every Zelda game has always had a soul of it's own and I'd be happy to see her mentioned again. Too bad they had to ruin her by making her the annoying "master your wii batteries are low" assistant
>>341592698
Majora's in first place.
Skyward Sword and Link's Awakening tied in second place to me for contrasting reasons.
>>341591553
>By now the master sword is like, ancient beyond ancient.
Maybe Fi inside of it is kill.
Would make sense in a way. She's the one who contained the remnants of Demise's subconscious within her, correct?
Maybe those remnants escaped and now we have calamity Ganon because of it.
Not to mention that clamity is an interesting title to give to Ganon, makes me wonder if this further cements the converging timeline theory and he's (mostly) responsible for it, if true.
>>341592753
Good thing this Link is the hero of time.
>>341592485
I can't see how anything in this game has to do with Souls
Why is no one talking about the fucking flying ship people thought was a floating island?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52UaLUUnpe4
41m 30s
>>341592816
Plus I think everyone is over looking the Master Sword. That thing is FUCKED.
>koroks
>drastically altered landscape
>lots of crumbled, corroded ruins
This being after WW with the sea drained makes too much sense, I'll be pissed off if it's not.
>>341592885
To Souls fans, if your game has any shred of lore in it, it's clearly ripping off Souls.
>>341592848
Awakenings is very sad yea
>>341589994
>some SS things can be found in OoT's Temples
What things? And doesn't OoT happen after SS before splitting?
>>341592854
I do think Fi's in some troubled state. Otherwise, the mastersword wouldn't be all worn down.
Maybe it's worn because of holding Calamity Ganon in it's place?
My bet is that this takes place after SS, but before any other Zelda. And this is the hyrule SS Link & Zelda inhabit.
>>341592406
oh shit
>>341592529
My theory
>Centuries after Spirit tracks Ganondorf awakes cause someone gets the Master Sword from his head
>The Hero of time fails his mission
>This time they contain Ganondorf in the Hyrule Castle cause not even the Gods can re-flood Hyrule
>The Hero doesn't show up and the world decays
>Sheikas start creating their own Hero and send him to defeat Ganon
>You are just one of the many Heroes
>>341592816
WHAT IF!!! It's an entirely original Link and as we play the game we play (or see) flashbacks from 100 years ago as he failed (or temporarly succeded) and was put to sleep.
>Sheikah put Link to sleep
>fuck up the world
>Goddesses/Zelda can't do shit
>can't make a new hero appear because one already exists
>Sheikah's win
>??????
>profit
>>341589870
No because then you would have to play SS first, which will turn you off the whole series.
I also made the mistake of playing Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess before Ocarina of Time, which led to OOT feeling like more of the same.
>>341592698
Definitely Majora's by a wide margin. Easily the darkest one, too.
Though I have a strange gut feeling that this one will possible be the darkest and greatest mindfuck of them all.
>>341590809
Only an SS -officer would consider that comfy.
>>341592765
like he wrote
>the curse from Demise and his hatred manifested outside of Ganondorf after the Master Sword is removed and manifested into Ganon
>>341593019
then why are the korok there
>>341588961
If that was the case why would they feel the need to remove entire villages to stop spoiling the plot? If it was the Soulsborne it would all be subtext and nothing big would be spoiled because it would only be a guess.
>>341586383
I would like to point out that having characters from one timeline present means absolutely nothing. Especially since Looks are just the true form of the Kokiri. OoA/OoS had a plethora of characters from Majora's Mask, despite being in a separate timeline from them, just because of the timing of their release and Nintendo's mood.
BotW being after WW makes the LEAST amount of sense just from the fact the Temple of Time exists. The Ancient Sea Salt Rocks could easily be from the Lanayru Sea.
Also, a lot of you need to check your facts because I'm seeing a lot of shit that is plain just made up used as evidence in these threads.
>>341592927
It doesn't look that much of a ship to me, might just be a loads of rocks floating around the island
>>341592927
We had several discussions about it in previous threads yesterday.
>>341587681
>this depiction of the hero that keeps fucking me since before I was born would look good on my armor
This is retarded.
What if its all a dream and link is still sleeping before the bird from SS wakes him up?
>>341592950
Nah. See >>341590337
And before you see the Koroks can't evolve without the ocean, see >>341587068. If the Rito can do it, so can the Koroks.
>>341592927
>firerod
FUCK THERE IS MAGIC
SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTT
I LOVE THIS GAME
>>341593176
What if Ganondorf thinks he is the hero?
Or what is this is another timeline split? How possible is that?
>>341591458
Not that anon but this is the first time Link has had access to this much sheikah tools and tech in the entire series.
While I personally don't believe he's just a "clone", I do think he's not the intended "hero" deemed by the goddesses to save hyrule and the sheikah put in their own agent to become a hero.
So it's safe to assume he's a sheikah that's been given the role by man not god to become THE LINK of legends. And all the trials are there to enforce this mindset.
Which would be great because it would be really interesting to see if the goddesses saw this as a infringement by man. We haven't really had any games where you actively play against the interests of fate itself, you have always been the agent of fate never the opposite.
>>341587681
HD port devs didn't realise a texture was reused for Ganondorf's armour most likely
I'm ok with this
>Link is Player who dead by fucking truck and Reincarnation in Hyrule
>>341593087
By the way, I don't want that old man to be Ganodorfn. He's clearly too tall and it would be very predictable.
>>341593034
>end of the game
>you see hundreds of dead link clone bodies is ganon's room
>>341593019
>My bet is that this takes place after SS, but before any other Zelda. And this is the hyrule SS Link & Zelda inhabit.
Impossible due to koroks.
You can possibly say that Koroks may have evolved in other timelines besides WW, but it has to be after OoT in any case, cause they descend from Kokiris
>>341592743
Okay, wind waker. All the references to ocarina feel really shoehorned and forced, whereas the rest of the game and story feels natural and free flowing. Especially the ultra retarded stuff like Zoras being birds now. Just exclude the zoras and let the birds be their own thing.
Or keep zoras instead of giving them wings because THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD IS WATER.
it's not always bad, but when a zelda game adds unnecessary, forced shit JUST so it has some connection to another zelda game, it hurts the overall feel the game in exchange for >muh timelines >muh shallow lore
>>341587352
I dunno man, if they're gonna make such a hard turn in the Zelda formula, I don't want to end up spending the whole game hanging out with Gorons, Dekus, and Zoras again. Wind Waker gave us all-new races to learn about, which helped sell how different the world was. I'd like to see them do that again.
>>341593230
It makes more sense for it to be after WW due to this
>Rock Salt: Crystallized salt from the ancient sea
BAD
SHALLOW
LORE
>>341593057
Shiekah are evil?
>>341593248
Another interesting thing, the voice calling Link (assuming it's Zelda) and the Old Man, both knew Link was sleeping in that cave. The voice call him and tells him to wake up. The Old Man was waiting for him exactly out of the cave.
Whoever Link is, people knew he was there.
>>341593450
I hope they are, not evil evil though, rather "We had no other choice to do these morally questionable acts and we believe we did the right thing" evil
>>341593410
I'm pretty positive that is not the actual description.
>>341593496
What if Fi was the one calling Link?
>>341593313
Fuck, i forgot about that fact...
Then it's probably after WW and TP, and the convergent timelines get more plausible, too.
>>341588502
They also said you have to be kinda crazy to try fight the boss immediately
After all even a random mini-boss could kill you in one-hit
>>341593138
We don't know, but we can guess. Even if there was a random Zora npc it could be "spoiler" because it'd reveal early how they look this time around and fans would start speculating why, where's this in the timeline etc.
I don't think they meant spoilers as in mysteries of the plot, just stuff that they want to keep fresh for the release
>>341593098
>neon lights everywhere, carvings, walls, everything glowing a soft blue
>the sky is constantly moving at a fast pace and changing from orange to purple over and over
>that gentle yet strangely modern for a Zelda music that goes along with the Twili realm
>not comfy
It was the best parts of TP. Felt like a crime to rid Hyrule of it.
>>341593450
If they're the precursors to the twili, damn straight they are. Though there probably is some justification behind their actions that make them somewhat sympathetic anyway.
>>341592529
>the old man
>wears a hood
There was a hooded old man? I've not seen that. Someone mentioned Link, like, coming out of a pod. Nada on that, either.
>>341593560
We can only assume it's a female. Hell, it could even be Impa as far as we know.
>>341593560
She speaks in regular English and not in C++, so I doubt it.
Im not up to scratch on the lore, but the only other place i remember seeing such alienish technology was Majora's mask. Like this could it be Termina? Link being a clone might make sense that way, and a rusty master sword too, cause he wont spawn in that realm they might need to go to those kinds of lengths to get another hero of time?
>>341592279
>Well it wouldn't be the first time the Master Sword needed some Blacksmithing done on it. Would leave a bad taste in my mouth though.
I'd be fine with it not being the best sword in the game again. I've also gotten tired of the modern design of the master sword though.
Here's a clearer image of that thing at Death Mountain, it's on the left side of the mountain
>The timelines were united due to a "mysterious event"
>BotW takes place after that event
>the event is Hyrule Warriors
>>341593643
>>341593652
Well, fuck me. Maybe the Guardians descend from Gohdan and not the other way around. But what's with Calamity Ganon, then? Because this clearly isn't the first time it's appears going off of the WW legend.
>>341593691
Well, the map might be big enough to let us explore Terminia or what's left of Terminia after the flood.
>>341593630
Don't you have Jews to gas, Hans?
>>341593764
Looks like a house with legs.
>>341591458
>Old Man: Please try to relax. There's plenty of Time.
>Old Man: I need to tell you something. Please Listen and try not to panic.
>Old Man: You've been in cryostasis for... quite some time.
>Old Man: Yes, yes, I know. You'd like to know how long.
>Old Man: I'm afraid it's been... 100 years.
Yeah no there's some fucking suspicious ruse-cruise shit going on here and I'm not falling for for what either Zelda or the old man says.
>>341593450
They're ambiguous. Always seem to be near-extinct, have shadow powers, the Shadow Temple is questionable, possible connection the the Twili/interlopers and the fused Shadows.
They're not innocent people.
>>341593686
Translated Hylian for the sake of voice acting.
Which I'm still mad about. I love Hylian babbling. I fucking hate those fatsos suggesting voice acting in muh Zelda.
>mfw when I was a kid and used to think they were called Kokroks
>>341593496
Old man is clearly some one there to watch over Link/Shrine of Resurrection. When Link leaves the shrine it shows him looking over at you before toddling over to his cave. He also instructs you to go to shrines. He probably treats Link like some random traveler to play dumb to test him.
can we play it on a gamecube controller?
>>341593764
???
>>341592445
did wind waker start the whole ancient technology trend?
because i fucking love it
>>341593691
Wind Waker, Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess all have alien-like magitech. It's not unseen before.
>>341593902
So, he might be a Sheikah in disguise?
>>341590151
Doesn't explain the Temple of Time
Doesn't explain the Bridge of Elfin
Doesn't explain how the Master Sword got moved to a pedestal
>>341593834
Nah, I'd be doing you a favour then.
>>341593629
If they wanted to keep the game fresh for release why did they show a few hours of it on their stream showcasing locations, Items and abilities? I don't really believe they have finished making the villages and they are just using it as an excuse for their absence.
>>341593817
Ganon appears and is defeated in every timeline, they always bring him back with a different excuse. Sometimes he just triforces himself back, sometimes they summon him, sometimes a seal is broken. I wouldn't worry about how he came back, that nigga just can't stay put.
>>341593943
I think Skyward's Robots and the Lanayru Desert in general wer the best part of the game
>>341594038
>Doesn't explain the Temple of Time
The temple of time was underwater like the rest of Hyrule.
>>341593882
>we live with the great deku tree
>>341593764
Are those red dots eyes or the sunset seeping through?
A guardian for sure, anyway.
>>341593809
I'd be okay if they bring back Cia on the hero's team. Lana alone can go fuck herself.
>>341592927
>flying ship
I think flying fish
>>341594106
The Temple of Time as far as we know doesn't exist in WW
