>House said that one of the key motivations for PlayStation 4 Neo was specifically to prevent high-end users from abandoning the product at an earlier point than its natural eight-year lifespan. “We’ve traditionally seen that some of the core audience tends to gravitate back to high-end PCs at some point because these are the people who want the finest graphical performance,” he said. “So here’s a great opportunity to have them stay within our ecosystem.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/15/playstation-boss-andrew-house-ps4-neo-microsoft-scorpio
What did he mean by this?
>>341578414
You took out the entire quote. It's pretty clear what he meant. He elaborates on it pretty fully.
>>341578414
it means they're desperate to stay relevant for another generation
>>341578414
>core gamers
>jumping back to PC
their "core" players have NEVER been on a PC. Otherwise, they'd stick to it.
>>341578414
If that's true, that's funny.
And that means Microsoft has actually done the smart thing, as far as breaking down the walls between PC and console go.
>ps4
>the fifa cod machine
>core gamers
all of my cakes.
>>341578982
MS's UWP is a better long term strategy especially when it comes time for the generational change. Will the next playstation be able to play PS4 games? Everyone already knows Xbox will, and that they can be played on PC without MS losing the customer.
>>341578982
PC = Steam
Windows Store = only applies to Microsoft exclusive games.
Stop pretending you are the same thing, all the multi-plat revenue will go towards Steam.
>wont touch 90% of console shit because want proper mouse support.
>screen shot shows a controller.
>>341578982
I don't know how continued investment into a product you yourself are making irrelevant is smart. The entire Microsoft conference was them talking about how you shouldn't buy an Xbox at all.
>>341578414
But the PS Neo will not even be that powerful. At best it will be like a gtx 970 or 380x
>>341578982
Except for the part where no one wants UWP.
Holy shit, MS just blew Sony TFO.
Like, I knew the Scorpio was an inconvenience for Sony but with W10, play anywhere, etc MS is really sticking it to them. Sony is gonna have to think fast if they want to recover. Might be a good time to cash in on that one time steam and PSN were linked
>>341579251
Valve's working with Microsoft instead of fully against them now and were one of the first Publishers/Developers who were shown Scorpio. Even if people buy third parties through Valve, MS will still be in the ecosystem where people buy their 1st parties.
>>341579332
At the end of the day, you are still giving Microsoft money though. Was laughing during that Giant Bomb stream during the Spencer interview where they started talking about the people smugly saying saying "Thank you I never have to buy an Xbone". Then forking over $60 so they can play Forza Horizon 3.
So instead of the $0 they make off people claiming they will never buy an xbone. They are going to make hundreds of dollars out of them when they buy PC games from MS.
It's hilarious how MS actually turned sonygger rage into cash for them.
>>341579518
If they connect with Steam then MS is in trouble. They haven't quite won yet because most people completely despise their store and many people aren't too happy with the forced W10 either. Steam, on the other hand, already has a huge reach so we'll see what happens.
>>341579518
> Microsoft starts using a system that PS4 has already had
> SONY BTFO
Anon. Microsoft is just iterating on the system Sony already built, and Sony will in turn iterate on the upgrades Microsoft does to that system.
It's the incestuous nature of tech.
>>341578982
People seem to forget that the reason Xbox even exists is so MS can push Windows, and that's exactly what they're doing.
They NEVER gave two fucks about console gaming, it was always a means to an end.
Why all the sudden PC gaymers matter now? I thought they're irrelevant and most of (You)s said they're.
>>341579741
You realize that at this point it doesn't matter? If you buy any product you're also giving someone else money.
Buy an Xbox game, Sony gets some money because of Blu-ray licensing. Buy a Samsung phone, Google gets some money because of Android. Buy an iphone, Samsung gets money due to production licensing.
>>341578414
>launch underpowered console that struggles to reach 1080p/30 at day 1
>lock online behind paywall+
>lose pretty much all 3rd party exclusives to Steam
>please don't migrate to PC, buy NEO for 500$
fuck you
>>341579954
>He fell for /v/ memes
Kek, anon, PC gaming has been "dying" for the past 25 years now, and it's bigger than ever nowadays.
>>341579757
Spencer confirmed on Giant Bomb last night that Microsoft are working directly with Valve on Scorpio and Windows 10 gaming (And indirectly confirmed Scorpio will support the Vive) and Valve were one of the first companies consulted regarding Scorpio's specs.
From all of House's comments in that interview, like launching Neo like an Apple product. It seems Sony wants to try create an Apple like brand loyalty and won't be working with any outside partners as they want that ecosystem to be like iOS and controlled by themselves.
>>341579954
Because W10. And it is only W10 gamers matter, the only thing microshit cares about is pushing everyone into using that abortion.
>>341580130
Why have they let the success of the PlayStation 4 inflate their heads so? They're going to hurt themselves trying to do this. Gaming is obviously moving towards PC.
>>341578414
As a PC gamer who has been worried about consoles holding back gaming as a whole, I'm thrilled there's a Neo and that new Xbox coming. With consoles being more powerful, there's no excuse whatsoever for devs to lower the visual quality of their games. Now multiplats should be a little less shitty.
>>341580271
>gaming moving towards pc
lol
>>341578414
You mean, they want to use their console unlike Microsoft who gave up on XBone? The horror.
If he can give me games like BB at 60 fps then I'll buy it, otherwise no.
>>341579437
If it cost 400 is will be great value.
>>341580339
Core gaming is, obviously. Gaming in general is being dominated by mobile devices.
>>341580479
>core gaming
lol
>>341580391
Well there's nothing to use on it since PS4 has no games. So no wonder they are frightened of people going to PC where the multiplats look and run better.
Sony is scared of PC.
>>341580130
Anyone who thinks Win10 versions of XBox One games will get some special treatment is delusional. You'll be lucky to have M&K support and games not falling apart at launch, like Gears of War did recently.
>>341580504
Nice response.
>>341579976
how much does sony make from a single blu ray device?
>>341580604
The death throes of an irrelevant fanboy.
It's okay anon, come into the light.
>>341580673
Yeah man, because Microsoft has such great history with their "we're taking PC gaming seriously" initiatives. Opinions are opinions, but facts speak for themselves, anon. GFWL flopped twice and Windows Store is still garbage. Maybe Microsoft will take it more seriously this time, but their track record speaks against them at every step.
>ruining the whole point of console gaming with upgraded consoles every 3 years
god i want ps2 era back
>>341579741
>At the end of the day, you are still giving Microsoft money though.
"no"
Pirated windows 7 and upgraded for free to win10. Aside from maybe some shill scummy ad revenue they make somewhere who gives a fuck, they see no cash from me
>>341580130
>microsoft working with valve
wouldn't that kinda cut into their profits? reason why they're pushing their own store is because there's no middle man fee since they own it.same reason why ea, ubisoft, paradox and whoever else is doing it.
>>341580130
This, Sony is like Apple for gaming industry.
>>341580789
>upgraded for free to win10
That's the part where you royally fucked up, anon.
>>341578414
By 2017 RX 480 will cost even less and Zen will be unveiled, just like an actual new gen Inte CPUs. With that hardware everything will be the same, again. PC more powerful, casuals willing to spend a little more will buy the 4.5/Neo. End of story
>>341580896
No they aren't.
>>341578414
That's funny because I'm going to PC gaming specifically BECAUSE of the neo.
Anyway what's he's saying is more marketing BS PR. PS4 is far outpacing the PS2 and there still aren't any signs of it slowing down even with the PS neo looming on the horizon.
>>341578414
So Neo specs are known? I was under the impression Sony revealed nothing at E3?
>>341580647
Very little since Panasonic Own 80% share of the Blu-Ray consortium and get most of the cash since they created Blu-Ray technology. Sony is only a minor share of less than 1%.
It's schemantics. Microsoft gets paid for each licence fee on Sony 1st party games because Sony titles use Havok physics (Which Microsoft now own)
>mfw people expecting some radical paradigm shift or reveal from Sony
Why would they do that? They're the top dog right now.
>>341578414
funny considering that the PS4NEO/ scorpio shit is exactly why ill never buy a console again
although, atleast microsoft had the balls to go all out with the scorpio assuming they will sell it at a reasonable price too, the PS4K is just a fucking joke when games already look and run great when the developers actually know how to code shit (uncharted, battlefront, TPP, DOOM etc)
>>341580928
They really are.
>Closed ecosystem
>Rabid fanbase
>Sell mediocre hardware at a premium (not just talking about consoles)
>Steal other people's ideas and sell them at an enormous markup
>>341580604
>Gears of war
>Falling apart at launch
It worked pretty okay with some minor bugs like gsync not working, nothing to write home about. MS fucked up xbone game launches way worse.
>>341581070
That's Nintendo kid.
>>341580958
They have been known for months now, anon. 4.14TF GPU, 2.1GHz Jaguar CPU, 8GB GDDR5
>>341578414
Why are people even discussing this? Get a good PC and PS4, then you have both covered.
>>341581070
You mean, they're console manufacturers and developers? Yeah.
>>341581062
>those smoke sprites turning with the camera
It's like I'm in the 90s again.
>>341581309
I wish.
Video games suck today.
>>341581062
why the fuck is it so slow
why can't games go really fast
>>341581154
Sony doesn't want you buying a PC any more because they lose the money you spend on multiplats on PC when they could make cash on the licencing fees instead.
Sony has commanded it. They want you to be PS4 only.
>>341581451
fucking retard
>>341579741
Holy shit, how branded are you? People are happy they don't have to get an xbone not because they don't want to support Microsoft, they're happy because they don't have to spend 300+ on a console just to play exclusives at worse framerates.
>>341580604
It's a learning process desu
>>341581469
Can't Sony publish games on PC though to earn money?
>>341578414
>What did he mean by this?
What did he mean by this shitty meme?
>>341581641
THEY SOLD OFF VIAO, THEIR LAPTOP/PC DIVISION
>>341580219
The only bad thing about w10 is the telemetry, and that's been patched into 7
>>341581641
They don't want to because then they lose the licensing fees for multiplatform games. They want you as a playstation only gamer and don't want you to be a PC+PS4 gamer.
>>341581718
Is there any real reason to not upgrade to 10 unless you have some ancient software it breaks?
>>341581718
>that's been patched into 7
only if you're a stupid faggot who automatically installs all updates instead of, get this, choosing what to install or not installing any at all
>>341581109
Not even close
>>341581858
Kill yourself
>>341578414
Sorry Hoosey, once they go PC they never go back
>>341581823
if you game and want win10 exclusive games, by all means go ahead and upgrade
Microsoft is trying really hard not to make dx12 turn into another dx10 situation
>>341578414
You're acting like this is some great shock or something. Yes, they want more money just like everyone else. Microsoft's cross-buy with PC is an act of desperation because they realize they lost the pure console race with Sony. It's great for PC players, but let's not pretend it was motivated by fairness or altruism.
>>341578414
why haven't any of these asshole just brought out new controllers with better features?
i know you can hook a vita up to a ps4 but imagine a ps4 controller that you can plug into a hdmi jack on your tv and play the playstation on it? why aren't the controllers made out of lasers and why doesn't my console levitate?
fuck this basic bitch bullshit. ps4neo and xbox scorpio my fucking arse.
>>341581718
>installing updates
wew lad
House is also the asshole who blocks all the Japanese games from getting shown at E3 and other US conferences. Fire that asshole.
>>341581858
this
nintendo doesnt sell mediocre hardware at a premium, they sell shit hardware at a premium
>>341581580
I'm actually happy because I don't have to support Microsoft.
>>341581959
It's funny how their own fanbase was screaming "PC+PS4" is the only option and now suddenly they get told by Sony they don't want their players on PC. They want them on Playstation only.
>>341581968
>why haven't any of these asshole just brought out new controllers with better features?
Wii U :::::::^^^^^^^^)
>>341581823
You are the product being sold
>>341581840
You'll never be able to decide that again if you install 10 ;)
>>341581997
>>341582303
>I don't know what dual booting is
>>341582707
So you're going to buy an ADDITIONAL license just to keep the one you have now? THANKS MS LOVES YOUR MONEY
>>341578982
Not everyone on PC has Windows 10, and most people who play on PC don't even use the Windows store, they use Steam or other distributors.
>>341583107
W10erz will be forced onto Windows Store though when MS pushes the update to do this
>>341583104
>buy
Nigger, I pirated 7, Vista, 8 on my laptop, and you can bet your ass I'll be pirating 10.
>>341583196
Most people who have been playing on PC for more than 10 years know the cancer that was GFWL, not everyone is gullible enough to use the Windows store thankfully.
>>341583104
>So you're going to buy an ADDITIONAL license just to keep the one you have now?
>buying your operating system
Nah.
>>341583283
They will report you to the proper authorities, young man.
>>341583518
Remove 10
>>341579741
this post makes 0 sense
>>341583758
Only when I can decide what linux to install. There's too many to choose from.
>>341578589
I'm a core gamer, I love console in general actually, and I own a pretty good PC. I fucking hate it. The PC is garbage. the mouse? give me a break what a piece of shit idea. the only people that dick ride PC are those not competent enough to use a controller, or are extremely old and afraid of change. your spread sheet machine will soon be a dying art for video games. notice all the games porting to console? notice how consoles are getting more and more PC like in terms of power and graphics? notice how they have controllers for PC? yeah, eat dogshit, eat all the shit
Eventually console fags will have a machine on par with PC graphics with less than 1/4 of the games
>>341584096
>notice how consoles are getting more and more PC like in terms of power and graphics?
You do realize that this is a win for PC, not consoles, right?
>>341580412
I believe BB is locked at 30, so you wont get 60 unless they update the game but at least you won't get near any frame drops.
>House said that the new machine will very much be something that stands aside the original hardware – it’s not a replacement, and both machines will be supported throughout the PS4 lifecycle. “I don’t think we’re suggesting with Neo, the conventional console lifecycle is over – I’m certainly not making that statement,” he said. “This is an additional option, it’s a high-end version of a PlayStation 4, let’s be very clear about that, rather than a generational shift.”
>eight year lifespan
>>341581469
Ok? That doesn't stop you from buying them or anything. Its like gamestop wants you to buy all of your games from them, but you can just not do that?
>>341584967
>“This is an additional option, it’s a high-end version of a PlayStation 4, let’s be very clear about that, rather than a generational shift.”
More like it's what the original PS4 was supposed to be, 1080p/60fps as advertised, they're using the same AMD hardware except it's overclocked.
>>341579978
>fuck you sony for making a $300 console that equates to $700 PC hardware just to match its performance and fuck you developing and funding video games for that console
>>341585123
Uhh no, it's literally not the same hardware, shit, it has double the compute units.
>>341585137
>$300 console that equates to $700 PC hardware
>>341585123
Various games run at 1080p 60fps on the PS4 such as MGS5, it's more than capable, most console owners like myself just prefer devs to crank up the graphics for a stable 30.
>>341585269
Sadly he's right, that's how much you need to put into a PC to match the PS4's performance if you're doing it legit and not using left over/second hand parts
>>341584096
(You)
>>341585352
>that's how much you need to put into a PC to match the PS4's performance if you're doing it legit and not using left over/second hand parts
You can't be retarded enough to believe this m8.
>>341585352
a pc has more performance compared to a ps4 by definition.
>>341583518
I want to go back to win 7.
What crack is that? I only know about widnloader and that one always gets "windows is not licenced bla bla bla" after a few months.
>>341585383
Feel free to show me proof of a $300 PC outperforming a PS4 then.
>>341585550
Yeah sure, the paper says it will but when you actually try to do it the theory falls apart because of optimization. PC is more expensive, alot more expensive than console gaming.
>>341585728
no not on paper but on practice as well. pc has by definition much more capabilities compared to any console at even cheaper prices.
>>341585728
>Feel free to show me proof of a $300 PC outperforming a PS4 then.
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/7KFhM8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sh0tfSDPhw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k2lu3HFaQA
https://youtu.be/C6oWcHhOhmU?t=323
I can add an extra $10-$20 if you really want to get nitpicky about Windows or wifi.
>>341585728
>Feel free to show me proof of a $300 PC outperforming a PS4 then.
PC tends to have a higher entry cost but a lower continuous drain through games, online fees and upgrades.
A generational PC upgrade is cheaper than the console equivalent. This is just more prevalent than ever with the Neo/Scorpio nonsense.
>>341586157
Also forgot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mboad36-R0
Honestly im mostly a pc gamer but I might have to buy a cheap PS4 from some faggot who is upgrading to play all these new final fantasy titles
>>341586157
>Zero price of the PC builds
>Zero direct performance comparisons to console gameplay
As expected. Consoles will always be great value for money and PC will always have a higher paywall.
Here's the thing, PC users want to play console games but they only want to play them on PC, period.
When they reveal the NEO and even if it comes with cutting edge tech at great value, PC users will still find reasons why they can't enjoy and play console games simply because they're on consoles.
Their attachment to hardware seems to come first and foremost, games always take second priority and a year later when Nvidia comes out with a new GPU they will jump right back into justifying why they can no longer enjoy said games because newer hardware exists.
>>341586157
>Benching Mirror's Edge 2 when it costs 60 dollars no pirate and so no one bought it
ehehehehe
>>341585663
get it off mydigitallife
>>341586349
The first link is a build m8, they're there for a reason.
That said, the PS4 runs Overwatch at 1080p with dynamic scaling on medium settings with dynamic reflections enabled, while that 750 Ti build will have no problem running the game at a straight 1080p60 on all medium.
The PS4 also runs ME Catalyst at 900p at 35-60 FPS, which that 750 Ti build can also pull off.
Sorry m8, but the PS4 was underpowered on launch, I hate to burst your bubble, but that's just how it is.
If Neo lets me play my favorite PS4 games at 1080p/60FPS with improved graphics, I'm fine with getting it
If it's just "play PS4 games at 4k instead of 1080p, nothing else", I'm not interested
>>341578414
>these are the people who want the finest graphical performance
So, argument that games will look same on old and new PS4 models goes right out of the window.
>>341586543
That was never even an option
>>341586509
>with dynamic reflections enabled
disabled*
>>341586470
Its because you can buy a game on pc, then 40 years in the future you can still play that game but update its resolution and framerate through better hardware. This is why you can run all of last gens games in 4k on pc, when 1080p wasnt even possible on consoles back then. It isnt hard to understand, pc just withstands the test of time.
>>341586634
So argument I am losing nothing goes right out of the window too?
had I know somewhere mid way comes a new model which will get all the best bits I would have wait, now if I want to play games are they were intended I HAVE TO get a new PS4.
>>341586808
Everyone is fucked. People who wait for neo don't get to play BB or the like until it's old hat, people who have a PS4 now just bought a paper weight
>>341586771
>then 40 years in the future you can still play that game but update its resolution and framerate through better hardware.
Don't forget emulation. Playing Nintendo games like Secret of Mana on a Pentium II win95 computer via ZSNES felt like magic.
>>341586771
>then 40 years in the future you can still play that game but update its resolution and framerate through better hardware
Dude...You do realize DX9 is going to be phased out? You will not be able to play say 2010 PC games on a PC 40 years in the future except maybe through something like dosbox
I bought the PSmeme
>graphics whores aka PC tards are dragging the industry down
wow didn't expect that one
>>341587065
I don't emulate much because it usually ends up being more trouble than its worth if I still have the console.
>>341587193
>What is partitioning a hard drive
>>341584184
nobodies gonna buy an overpriced Piece of Crap if a 300$ console can do just as much and maybe more
>>341587409
A console can never do more than a PC, that's kind of the point.
But, sadly, the consoles don't even have the argument of affordability anymore since even a cheap $300 PC can perform on par in most (if not all) games.
Hence why MS is introducing the Scorpio, they can see the writing on the wall, and Sony is following suit.
>>341587193
>2010 PC games on a PC 40 years in the future
VMware, because fuck virtualbox.
Multibooting.
Emulation i.e. DOSbox.
I can fucking stick win98 on a usb 3.0 and run games off that.
Technology is wonderful.
>>341584096
>>341587409
>console can do just as much and maybe more
holy shit you are autistic
>>341578414
They are fucking scared. They know PC will win eventually.
Consoles only survive because only kids buy them, and with each generation of consoles comes a new generation of kids that blindly buy them. But in the end the truth starts to prevail.
>>341586771
>tfw psx died, PS2 in the process of dying and I cant get a new one anywhere (neither I can get some games I never played) PS3 will probably die as any other playstation and if that happen I am left with tons of games and no console to play them on.
Meanwhile played shadowman on PC recently and in in hi resolution and superior mouse control this was the shit.
Older games get fan translation patches (unlike Boku no Natsuyasumi or Front Mission 5 or Yakuza) can actually adjust my shit on PC, use controllers I want, disable shitty effects, mod games if there is something that just annoys me or I think is poorly done.
Holly fuck PC is superior no matter how many TF your console has.
>>341587378
That has literally nothing to do with it. Your GPU in 40 years will not support DX9 hardware acceleration. Neither will your OS, and your old OSes will not work on PC hardware 40 years from now. You will need a software emulator
>>341587504
Only DOSBOX
>>341587504
>I can fucking stick win98 on a usb 3.0 and run games off that.
Shit, you can run Win98 in a fucking browser nowadays.
>>341587548
what can a PC do a console can't?
>mods
what is fallout for consoles?
>spread sheets
YOU GOT ME THERE, BUDDY!!
>Ponies on a rampage
>B-B-But PsNeo is going to do 1080p 60 fps
>B-B-But 4k tv's are expensive there's no point in getting a scorpio if you don't own one
>But-But graphics and power don't matter
>It's impossible to do 4k gaming
>whats so good about 4k, 1080p is where its at
>why upgrade my resolution?
to think that all it took was the mentioning of
just a stronger console to cause this much ass friction.
>>341587663
>what can a PC do a console can't?
Make games.
>>341587551
Not exactly. Consoles survive through exclusives too. This is why even though Scorpio might have the leading hardware edge, it will have a low amount of people buying it. The only reason people have a current XBone is because of its price desu.
>>341587502
It can have 0 hackers on it's online games. That's better than any PC could ever do.
>>341587789
>MUH HACKERS
Git gud
>>341587734
>Consoles survive through exclusives too.
Look at the sales of exclusives, then look at the sales of multiplats.
Nothing personnel quid.
>>341584096
>'core gamer'
>plays on the platforms that are just designed for someone who just wants 5 hours of COD and Madden a week
>disparages people who actually spend money on their hobby
top kek
>>341587789
>Playing with randoms
>Playing online at all
>>341585728
Isn't a new ps4 400 dollars?
>>341587641
Even if thats the case, you would have less of a problem emulating older windows titles than PS3 or 360 titles, which nobody can seem to emulate yet.
>>341587919
The 1 TB PS4 is, but 500 GB versions are $300.
>>341587914
>greentexting
>20XX
>>341587923
Probably true, I doubt PS3 emulation will ever be good. Too much of a nonsense complex POS. Maybe 360 can be tolerable for some games.
>>341587641
GoG. They take old games and butcher them to make them work in modern computers. There will be a company like that 40 years from now since there is a company like that right the fuck now.
>Vulkan and DX12 are going to lead to games being unstable messes or forcing you to upgrade to Botnet 10 to play
>Consoles are now going to suck shit with the first iteration of the gen and then later force you to buy the "upgrade" console half way through the gen
Fantastic, gaming is fucking dead
>>341578414
They are trying to fight the revolution. A connection between PC and Console is the future as Microsoft sees. Microsoft will make tons of money, and xbox will make some as well, but Playstation will become and outcast in their own "ecosystem." They are trying to play on that, but they know it is futile. Playstations days are numbered.
>>341587836
The only reason a sane person would buy a PS4 or Xbone is for the exclusives. If these two didnt have exclusives I doubt people wouldnt buy a gaming pc or build one. Then again you cant apply logic to people anymore
>>341587720
yes, cause everyone is out making games. you're literally not even staying on track of what is being discussed. the point is, gaming will die on PC because it's overpriced and console can DO ANYTHING in terms of PLAYING GAMES and what you can DO to the games that a PC can do. "oh did your game freeze and you can't troubleshoot cause screen is frozen?" tell me more about how amazing PCs are. 'Oh, your chips inside your computer burnt out?' better go get another 300$
chip. "me. oh I've got a two year warranty, sure I've got to wait, but I get a new console." stay mad PC fags, stay old and ignorant
>>341587859
I can assure you I only really play Overwatch and ESO on my console. ooooh I can feel the burn radiating off of you
thinking of picking up a ps4 eventually for persona 5 and some other console exclusives. Should I wait for the new ps4 or grab a vanilla ps4 for cheap
>>341587960
That must be a recent change. I can only find bundles at 350 right now and I was looking for used ps4s a couple weeks ago that were in the 290 range.
>>341586349
>Consoles will always be great value for money and PC will always have a higher paywall.
This is pretty fucking funny considering that if someone buys a PS4/Xbone then buys a Neo/Scorpio while paying online the whole time then a decent PC would have been so much cheaper over that time period
>>341587663
>what can a PC do a console can't?
Adjust options (Because fuck vomit inducing bloom in dead island).
Use accessories I want to use and even make my own.
If gameplay has some annoyance or some part of it is poorly done I can always do it myself the way I like it.
I can always buy older games and play them.
If my PC dies I can get a new one and keep playing my vidya (Now get me a new psx or PS2 and you know PS3 will disappear sooner or later)
Modding (not autistic one person making conf mod but actually large team of modders doing something big)
Indie games that can be released with no hustle.
>>341588029
That only applies to DX12.
Vulkan's already here.
>>341588082
Kids.
Kids.
KIDS
K I D S
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They are the biggest buyers of consoles, and they only care about Battlefield and Call of Duty.
>>341588094
>yes, cause everyone is out making games
Yes actually, they are.
Sorry m8, without PCs consoles wouldn't even exist.
Face it, consoles are just shittier PCs with more 1st party support.
>>341588165
what about SPAWTS?
bunch of normalfags buy consoles for sports games
>>341588094
>Ignorance: The Post
Literally get off the internet until you educate yourself you pre-teen.
>>341588094
>gaming will die on PC because it's overpriced
Anon please, don't try to lie on the internet.
>>341588024
GoG itself doesn't do that. They just grab fan patches and pirated vers and repackage them. Or they bundle dosbox for incompatible games, i.e. the same shit I said. You will need to emulate the games no matter who is distributing them. GoG isn't some magical box that outputs an old game on modern hardware, there have to be methods to allow that to occur.
>>341588258
Those are still kids mentally anon, just with adult bodies.
>>341588258
They are the second buyers alright.
But clearly people playing exclusives aren't the biggest pool of customers.
>>341587859
>>disparages people who actually spend money on their hobby
>PC gamers
>spending money rather than pirating
Really?
>>341588302
>They just grab fan patches and pirated vers and repackage them
Hence the butcher part.
PC has been emulating since the 90s and has increasingly become better at it.
>>341588160
are you implying there is no options...option on consoles?
are you implying I can't accessorize by jailbreaking a console? cause I tottaly wasn't doing that when the first Xbox came out
are you implying there are no mods for consoles?
are you implying I can't play old games digitally on PS network?
are you implying I can't play indie games?
are you even trying?
Why isn't anyone complaining that they just bought paperweights when they bought their Xbone or PS4?
>It's fucking agreed by nearly every fucking gaming site that Sony won E3
>Xbone sales have been mediocre since launch
>People fucking hate Windows 10 with a fucking passion or are too computer illiterate to see why it's shit
>Y-Y-YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND GUYS, SCORPIO IS TOTALLY GONNA KILL SONY, THIS CROSS OF XBOX AND PC WILL MAKE MICROSOFT WIN
Just like how Phil was gonna make Xbone beat PS4 when he took over right? Xdrones can't stop fucking living in fantasy
If I would've known PS4's future I wouldn't have bought one.
>>341588149
True but that's ''if'' and if you assume someone buys two models and pays for PS+ the entire time.
Meanwhile I still have my PS4, have no plans to upgrade or pay a cent for PS plus and skip 90% of multiplats and mainly play exclusives. There's no need for online to play single player games
>>341588460
Because doing that means admitting they made a mistake. No one wants to do that.
>>341588415
>are you implying there is no options...option on consoles?
Pitiful
I think this picture really sums up console gaming.
Pay $60 5 years later for something that PC got for free about 2 weeks after release
Why do people always assume PC=Steam? Is that how misinformed people are?
Of course, this statement >>341578982 is true. MS is braking down the barrier between a PC and a console. You can play what was a console exclusive game to a PC.
Maybe sell physical copies of it. Maybe MS can negotiate terms of it so they can sell it off Steam too. It all depends on them. But the bottomline is: it benefits MS in a way that they sell games for the PC plus sell W10, or sell games plus sell Xbone. I don't know it it'll be a successful product strategy, we'll see.
>>341588164
>Vulkan's already dead
Fixed.
>>341588587
But it's obvious and I did. Now I am suffering anxiety attacks daily because I wasted 350 dollars. Sony did this to me.
>>341587663
Why don't you point me to where you can install emulators for the ps4?
How about use any controller you want?
How about downloading any movie ever for free?
How about recording music? Or editing video? Or writing a word document?
What about simply accessing the internet without paying some nominal fee to access a service that you already pay for?
>B-but none of that is important.
Maybe to you. That's why you should play on consoles.
>>341588613
I'll let time be my defense. maybe the last gen consoles, which those games where released on were not up to par with most things PC had to offer, but this generation, and the generation next are only going to get more powerful and overshadow the PC. sure, the PC might be there to MAKE the game, but it's not necessarily going to be the BEST WAY to PLAY the game.
>>341588831
Everyone has a PC. What you are asking is GAMING pc
>>341588831
Install Linux on PS4.
>>341578414
Why isn't this bait thread removed yet?
>>341588901
A regular PC is shit for video or audio editing.
Also for any kind of rendering or simulation.
Y'know, actual work.
>>341588415
Yes we are implying that you cannot turn off bloom in most games or force higher LODs, resolutions, or texture filtering. Most games options are limited to subtitles, brightness, and contrast.
Jailbreaking is not accessorizing. What he is talking about is playing The Witcher 3 with a fucking helicopter flight stick if he wants
While there may be mods for 2 FUCKING GAMES, mods encompass much more than "Kek I have an invincible girl in a swimsuit follower". Mods encompass graphical mods as well that simply cant run on consoles. There are mods for skyrim that give dynamic reflections to swords, which wont be able to run on your precious XBone.
You can play the ps1 games that THEY CHOOSE TO RERELEASE, where as I can play whatever ps1 games I want through emulation. Factually, objectively better as pc's can increase the resolution in most emulation programs. (P.S. nobody was arguing that indie games cant be played on console)
>>341588415
>are you implying there is no options...option on consoles?
Yes, good luck adjusting bloom in dead island, good luck setting throttle/brake on analog stick in Burnout Paradise, good luck doing something about fucked up input linearity in RDR, good fucking luck getting rid of deadzone in sleeping dogs on shooter and driving segments.
Now all this I can adjust on PC by default.
>are you implying I can't accessorize by jailbreaking a console? cause I tottaly wasn't doing that when the first Xbox came out
Yes, good luck getting free track or any other free headtracking software to run on it, good luck connecting your gearstick/pedals/joystick/throttle quadrant that is not supported by console because fuck you.
Good luck running Teamspeak or mumble or anything to chat in game that does not support VoIP by default.
>are you implying there are no mods for consoles?
You cant mod 99% of the games on consoles, only those few that support it, jail breaking your console means you can lose hundreths of $ in vidya on you account.
>are you implying I can't play old games digitally on PS network?
Again, only those few that are put there by sony, most older games are unavailable.
>are you implying I can't play indie games?
Call me when you play dwarf fortress on your console.
>are you even trying?
Are you?
>>341588831
>How about downloading any movie ever for free?
>How about recording music? Or editing video? Or writing a word document?
>What about simply accessing the internet without paying some nominal fee to access a service that you already pay for?
Why even bother trying to reason with console fags?
He'll spend $400 on a console, at least $400 on an upgrades one, $400 on online for 8 years, $400 for a trash laptop for emails, internet, work/school/all other shit.
Then he'll convince himself that $1600 is cheaper than PC because for whatever reason you don't add things together
>>341588935
How is it bait? It's a real quote from a real interview where the head of Playstation at Sony says he doesn't want players migrating to PC and the PS4 neo is meant to stop that trend.
>>341588981
>playing The Witcher 3 with a fucking helicopter flight stick
>a fucking helicopter flight stick
Sounds like kurwa to me.
>>341588831
I have ezmuze for xbox, which is an indie game ;) and I record music all the time. do you not realize that Xbox and play station have an app for the internet? are really this stupid? i browse the interent all the time on my playstation. it's how I watch my porn, up on the big screen. they also make controllers that look like other controllers for PS and Xbox. third party? jesus kid, get real. IGNORANCE
>>341588901
A gaming pc is literally just a 200 dollar upgrade away from a mid-level normal pc.
Sony is self destructing on their own.
How does one company succeed and destroy itself by doing almost nothing at all.
>>341588884
>but this generation, and the generation next are only going to get more powerful and overshadow the PC
Because PC is somehow frozen in time? Because they haven't already released a new line of cards that already shits all over the specs of a console that's due to come out in late 2017?
>>341589147
I'm gonna be honest, this post is well crafted as fuck.
>>341588932
Why not just buy a pc though and not have to hack your own device to access basic functions?
Here is the reality of PC gaming in my country, PC gaming is literally the biggest meme out there it's probably the same for the US too. This is a PC I built recently and anyone who knows about PC parts knows I cut corners everywhere I could to come under $1000.
PC gaming is basically 2-3x more expensive than console gaming, it basically costed me $800 and I still cant fully outperform a PS4. My PC can't even offer better visuals than ps4's best looking games despite costing 2-3x as much and it just barely outperforms it.
>>341589252
because consoles are somehow crunched and lag behind? because they haven't already realeased a new line of consoles that shit all over PCs to come out before 2017?
>>341588884
You're literally asinine. PC will never be "overshadowed" or "outpowered", because there isn't a standard. Someone with a pc could put 4 graphics cards in their computer and completely blow out anything. (And before you ask, the new scorpio which is the most powerful console ever to be released is still weaker than ONE of the newest nvidia cards, let alone if you were to SLI them). It's like comparing a constant to a variable, like X will be lower than 10, when its a variable so it can be any number it wants. Stop with your damage control and just either accept that the PS4 wont outperform a high end PC, or buy a PC and enjoy your games however you like.
>>341589498
So which irrelevant country are you from?
I'd like to BTFO of your shitty build.
>>341589571
>because they haven't already realeased a new line of consoles that shit all over PCs to come out before 2017?
They actually haven't, that's the thing.
>>341589571
>because they haven't already realeased a new line of consoles that shit all over PCs to come out before 2017?
Source?
>>341588949
audio editing ? as in making music ?
>>341589726
As in audio editing in general.
>>341586328
I'm in the same boat as you but I think FFXV at least will be on PC at some point.
>>341589714
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-product/game/sony-playstation-5-release-date-price-specs-uk-45-confirmed-games-september-october-psvr-3537250/
>>341589498
First of all Intel is the meme here. You can get a comparable CPU from AMD for nearly a third of the cost. Second yes it does cost more. You get more performance but you pay more for it.
It's pretty hilarious that all thebshit sonyggers were touting are the things that are killing them inside .
Sonyggers dug their own grave. Digital foundry isn't getting any money from steam or Microsoft, those cucks are as good as dead. They wouldn't dare say Sony is the inferior product .
>>341589498
That build costs about half as much now.
>4 times as much storage
>about 3 times as powerful
>Costs about 500 nowadays
I'd say it's pretty worth it desu.
And mustards still believe that Death Stranding won't be exclusive kekekekek
>>341589498
The PC market is the reason most countries in the world love video games today.
PC Gaming is pretty much the biggest in the world. There are only a few places in the world that actually prefer a console rather than a PC and that's a fact.
A lot of big gaming markets in the world are PC dominant. Korea, China, South East Asia, South America, India.
>>341589817
>PS Neo
>Shitting all over PCs
Kek, is this bait?
It's not even as powerful as the Scorpio.
>>341589853
why pay more when there is literally no difference between the console and PC worlds we live in? and you can't be biased about this
>>341589817
It says NEO will have eight Jaguar CPU cores running at 2.1GHz rather than the 1.6GHz in the PS4, an improved AMD GCN with 36 rather than 18 CUs running at the higher rate of 911MHz over 800MHz, and faster GDDR5 memory - 8GB at 218GB/s instead of 176GB/s.
So weaker than a mid range gaming PC then?
>>341589853
>You can get a comparable CPU from AMD for nearly a third of the cost
AMD is shit for pscx2 though, thats why I went with intel
>>341589790
if thats the case then you don't need an powerful computer to do that at all it'll only take longer.
>>341584096
Spotted the Sony cuck. Stop shitposting from your wife's son laptop.
>>341589947
>there is literally no difference between the console and PC
>>341589996
And time is money, not that you would know since you don't have a job.
Po-power dont matter no mo !
>>341589498
your CPU price is around 50$ too expensive, and the 750 Ti too. That alone 100$ less in every no shithole country, and these were the only parts I've looked up.
And don't even try, the i5 together with the gtx750 plus 8gb ddr4 RAM will surely, guaranteed, outperform any PS4 by far.
Try a comparison with Doom and look for yourself.
I see a lot of memes, a lot of shitposting, but no facts. What makes the Neo so good or "better" than the standard PS4? and no you can keep speculation to yourself I want facts. Lets try to get informed for once /v/
People should have known that consoles were going to enter a service based yearly iteration cycle the moment Microsoft started their initial multimedia bullshit push. They basically had an Apple conference the first time they showed off the Xbone.
This was the inevitable future and we're all fucked because of it, even PCfags now that Nvidia and AMD are pushing forced obsolescence into driver updates.
>>341589947
>The argument now switches from Consoles are more powerful to why should I care that PCs are more powerful
There is a difference. I can't play 90% of PS4 games at 1080p/60fps with the extensive options that pc has. Even with Dishonored Definitive Edition for ps4, which runs at 1080p, I can get it to look better on my pc because I can force the texture filtering and shadow detail to whatever I want.
>>341589498
PS4 costs 400 USD
NEO will cost 400 USD
1 year of Plus cost 50 USD - 8 years of console gen life = 400 USD
Thats 1200 USD. And I'm not even counting the games, as you can get pretty cheap games with Steam sales + key e-shops.
How is console gaming cheaper again?
>>341587409
That's exactly the opposite. PC will always do much more than your overpriced 300$ paperweight.
>>341587663
>what is fallout for consoles?
HAHAHAHAHAHAA. Read Bethesda TOS for modding.
https://community.bethesda.net/message/77936#77936
>no loli mod
>no lewd mod
>>341589498
Man, I love living in America.
Best PC part prices, plus tax-free online since I live in Massachusetts.
>>341590057
it depends its about 5 hours to crank out your own sound on Fl studios and other recording software on a cheap laptop but that's not that big of an issue unless you're truly a slacker when all you normally would have to do is set you pc to make the audio track and then go do something else for 5 hours, like get outside.
>>341588949
No one does video or audio editing except fansubbers. More people play VIDEO GAMES on their PCs than that
>>341590112
More like 100 bucks too expensive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116895
Cheaper and better. 6400 is crazy outdated.
>>341590262
>NEO will cost 400 USD
I think the sad part is that it'll probably cost more.
>>341590294
Or maybe if I'm editing audio on the fly for a livestream/broadcast?
>>341589916
>The PC market is the reason most countries in the world love video games today.
What SEA and East Asia recognizes ''gaming'' is basically defined by quantity and value rather than quality. Mobas and competitive e-sports are legitimate genres of video games but it's doesn't represent what video games are truly about and what they are able to convey through visual story telling, game play, music art design and art direction, etc. Repetitive grind sports to me is the lowest form of gaming there is.
ITT: consolecucks can't accept that Microsoft and Sony can't do anything remotely impressive with new consoles without them costing like $700, which they will never go for
>>341580331
But then they still have to make it run on the vanilla ps4 and bone.
>>341590247
>muh graphics
ok, buddy you enjoy the graphics you seem to think are different. I'll continue to play on a console that has no difference and save money, for whores like your mom. she sure doesn't come cheap for something so busted
>>341589160
No one who builds their own PC doesn't have a GPU so there is no such thing as a mid level normal pc. Either you have a gaming PC (old or new) or you have a toaster
>>341590324
>No one does video or audio editing except fansubbers.
Are you retarded?
The fucking live newscasts you watch are chock full of video and audio editing.
How can someone this functionally retarded even use the internet?
>>341578414
>even the reps are admitting consoles are children toys
They are desperate. This gen saw a 43% increase of installbase compared to last gen, the problem is, about 10 times more people play videogames today compared to 8 years ago.
Consoles are already a massive niche, their strategy is now hopelessly trying to catch up. But they will never reach the value of a non-proprietary, fully customizable lego machine.
>>341590430
Do you think anyone besides someone EMPLOYED FOR A NEWS CO does that shit? No one needs to do it
>>341590262
>PS4 costs 400 USD
Why didn't you end it there? Why include price of optional fees when you dont include the price of windows on PC? Why don't you include the price of 2 GPU's yet include the price of NEO?
>>341590371
>Mobas and competitive e-sports are legitimate genres of video games but it's doesn't represent what video games are truly about
Your Opinion alone. Not a fact.
>>341590491
Whoa, you mean someone who needs it for actual WORK?
NO WAY, IT"S ALMOST LIKE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.
Fucking underaged retard, fuck off.
>>341590359
editing isn't even that hard when it comes to audio you make it seems as if live stream and broad cast actually takes talent.
that's nothing like actually making music from scratch.
>>341590401
Anon, if you have blood in your stool and vomit excrements you should visit doctor as soon as possible.
Please dont toy with your health.
>>341590562
Like 5 people are in that field and I ain't one, GTFO
I thought Microsoft sold the Xbone at a loss, and now they get to sell PC games for full price on an exclusive platform that cuts out the middleman?
Instead of getting ~$30 for each game sold, they get $60
>>341590536
>when you dont include the price of windows on PC?
How much do you have to pay for Windows 10? Oh yeah. Nothing.
>>341590579
says the guy who probably has a bad back and poor eyesight
maybe carple tunnel? possibly overweight? nahh you're fine
>>341590551
>Your Opinion alone.
Go back to the roots of video games, they have always been about adventure
