Most millennials never heard of a superior turn-based tactics game. While you are waiting for yet another bland XCOM game I'll replay this game for n-th time.
>tfw 1.13 dresden counterattack
If you were born after '81 or so you're a millennial. People resorting to the "millennials don't know shit" meme are probably 14 year olds trying to look cool.
how do i get into Jagged Alliance?
>>341578975
download and play
>>341578375
playing the game on normal weapon progression speed. Two stacks of 30 soldiers each coming toward Drassen. Black shirts and Redshirts only. Snipers, automatic rifles, grenades
I send a helicopter and see there are around 30-40 soldiers slowly merging towards Drassen as well from different directions.
>mfw i watch a group of enemies dying slowly from the effects of a well-placed mustard gas grenade
>>341578975
download Jagged Alliance
download 1.13 patch
play a few combat zones where enemy only uses pistols
ask yourself what is the charm of this game
your reaction, when all of the sudden enemies start using shotguns and submachine guns, will be priceless
Was anyone else weirded out by how many easter eggs/hidden things have a huge impact on gameplay
>>341579441
That is nothing. I shat a brick when I realized that in jagged alliance when someone fires at you each bullet has a potential to kill you outright. And then enemy sends a dude with heavy machine gun that fires salvos of 10+ bullets. No nonsense like XCOM where pistol does 1-2 dmg and assault rifle doing 3-4 dmg.
>>341576956
>turn based gameplay
>>341580153
12 year old?
>>341576956
JA 1 was better
>>341579561
In a world of pistols, the 74 marksmanship IMP merc with a MP5A4 is king.
>>341578975
You don't
I just bought it when it was on sale the other week and am finding it hard to get into. I've only played the first quadrant and it seems good but some stupid shit happens some times, like why do my dudes sometimes walk backwards?
Also i hear 1.13 is good, but if im having trouble with vanilla how much more complex is it? Can you have multiple IMPs? Can you search boxes and shit inside houses or only get drops from enemies?
>>341581842
>like why do my dudes sometimes walk backwards?
lol never had that happen
>>341576956
I prefer the original to be honest.
>>341581842
1.13 is a bloated mess. you definitely want to play vanilla first.
>>341581842
Walking backwards happens when you alt tab. The game has an issue with modifier keys getting sticky when you switch in and out. Just press alt once to clear it off.
Multiple IMPS are possible if your configuration allows for it. Check the INIs. You can search boxes, but most don't have much useful in them. Boxes in obvious storage areas have great loot though. By obvious storage areas I mean warehouses and the like.
>>341576956
now they probably did, since the recent few JA threads
>>341578375
>2 and 3 EXP levels
>glaser ammo
>>341581842
1.13 has a lot (and I mean A LOT) of shotcuts integrated onto keyboard. you are probably pressing alt key.
1.13 is crap
Is JA 1 any good ?
>>341584838
it's the best
>millennials
Honest question here, what do you people think this word means?
>>341585204
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials
>Millennials (also known as the Millennial Generation[1] or Generation Y, abbreviated to Gen Y) are the demographic cohort following Generation X. There are no precise dates for when the generation starts and ends; most researchers and commentators use birth years ranging from the early 1980s to around 2000.
>>341585443
I didn't ask what Wikipedia said it is, I asked what posters think it is. Every single time I see it used, the person who says it is acting like they're not one of them, when it's pretty much guaranteed that most of them are
>>341585878
yeah pretty much
I wish for a graphically updated 1.13 every night.
This proves god doesn't exist.
>>341576956
I played this for a bit last year then got bored and went back to OpenXcom. I feel like I missed something. Creeping six guys with handguns around getting into plink-offs with random scatterings of mooks with their own plinky handguns wasn't too cool. I'm sure there's more to it if I keep going but I feel like something was just off.
Also the controls felt funny. Maybe they let you do a lot but I consider UFO to be the peak of squad-based TBS.
Is there any stuff that people usually get wrong about JA2 when they first try it? Was I probably doing something wrong?
>>341576956
>can't get this to install properly
I tried everything. I really did.
>>341579441
Nades? Weeeeeeaaaaaaksauce.
X2 mortarmen blanketing the enemy with mustard bombs.
>>341581842
>>341582879
This guy has it right. When you alt-tab out of the game for some reason it thinks Alt is still being held when you return to it. Press alt again and you'll be fine.
Also just so you know, alt can be used for backstepping and sidestepping which is really useful.
>>341580153
Pleb
>>341587560
what version of windows do you have? Works fine on win7. Also google search for help to make it run. There are bunch of suggestions.
>>341587419
Start feels weak with pistol plink-offs. Game becomes more engaging when enemies start using regular firepower like shotgun, smg, rifles and when they start coming in bigger numbers (10-60). You can grit your teeth for up to 3-7 days in game or you can modify the number and weapon loadout before the campaign start in game options.
>>341586908
You and me both. I wish there were bigger urban maps with multiple building floors. Like invading a military base and having soldiers in towers or snipers in church towers or building's 3rd floor. Fighting battles floor by floor. Room by room.
>>341581901
Ots a thing you can force your mercs to do so they stay facing a certain direction. You can also make them crab walk strafe too.
>>341578375
I don't understand why anyone would want this
>>341583124
nice webm. That's cheese 101 for 1.13 tho' makes the game kinda boring.
>>341576956
I want to get into it but... does the game have a good intro to mechanics? Never had the luxury of a PC till recent years so I missed these old games.
>>341588723
Sorry. No. You get dumped right in the deep end of the pool.
In vanilla your 1 imp and maybe 2-3 aim mercs will have exceptionally shit gear. And get dumped off the helicopter. In every single map apart from the very first you'll be outnumbered 3:1 at least. And full size drassen 1.13 counter attack can pit your maybe 10 guys against more than 70 reds.
>>341576956
why do you make this thread ever fucking week
>>341588723
There are online tips and tricks guides tho'. The fanbase usually isn't too hostile to newbs. They want as many people as possible getting into tactics games so devs are forced to make new ones.
>>341589009
I barely understood that sentence. Seemsfun.
>>341576956
do people who use the word millennials think these are people born around 2000?
>>341589057
Because ja2 is god
>>341589118
It is. Once the ga
Quick, which IMP voice is the best?
>>341589215
the doctor guy reminds me of Cam Clarke
>>341589198
>It is. Once the ga
Snake?
Snake?!
>>341589118
Once the game 'clicks' for you, you'll find yourself replaying it again and again since the engine allows such huge replayability. And you'll do X only playthroughs. Or no Y use. That kinda thing.
>>341576956
Literally /k/: The Game
>>341589215
IT'S SHOWTIME!
I bought JA2: Wildfire on Steam without realizing it was some mod, how fucked am I?
>>341589521
steam has a return policy now
if you hadn't played it for longer than 2 hours and owned the game for 1 or 2 weeks, you can return it
>>341589372
Lel. There's that playthrough too.
>make 1 IMP merc.
>handgun and knife stealthy guy.
>never have any teammates
>only use gear you salvage from enemies.
>do all sidequests as priorities.
>Train militia and mobile militia like a muthafugga
The big boss playthrough can be quite fun.
>>341589521
Do yourself a favour and remove it from your computer. It's an abomination. It's some turbo autists "fix" of the game that instead fucks everything up.
>>341589675
Can you elaborate on that?
>no mega with already patched JA2
>>341587419
A couple of mercs you can hire come with SMGs, even if you don't want the merc specifically you can hire them for a day and take all their shit before firing them. A few tommy guns and MP5s will make all the difference during those first few wimpy pea shooter fights.
>>341589927
That and you can ignore what the game wants you to do and go to another city to gear up.
But Jagged Alliance released in 1999.
You're either a millennial yourself or a very sad old man.
>>341589675
Speaking of turbo autists....
Why the fuck did the 1.13 team make the m4a1 not suck anus?
Weighs 2.7 kg
Can take a stupidly high amount of different attachments
Has 64 acc 30 dmg 33 range with 23 aps for single shot and 31 for burst.
The real thing is a jam infested fucking godawful piece of shit.
"She is evil! A driven bitch!"
>>341590431
That line will forever be stuck in my conscious.
>>341590513
That will do ira!
GOOD SHOW DIMITRI!!!
i forget. I forget again.
>you just heard those lines in your head as you read them.
>>341590513
"In respect of your husband, I take your word. We will go down. But if you make mistake, Fatima, you will die with them."
No way in hell this line could be made in today's entertainment industry.
>>341590418
I can't tell if you've spent too much time on /k/ or too little
I got some dosh from
>enemies drop everything
To upgrade my guys loadouts to assault rifles. What should i buy from bobby's?
Can I raise the resolution in the game without fucking up the framerate somehow?
>>341591121
I'm still annoyed miguel has no questline interaction with pacos or fatima. Still.
>>341591171
I'm debating whether to go with huehuehue 6.8mm or good ol 7.62 x 51.
x39 can go fuck itself. Intermediate cartridges suck...
But every merc is incapable of carrying shitloads of 7.62... sigh.
>>341591121
>get to recruit him
>turns out he's a retard
>Make all my characters follow a theme with their equipment
>Turns out it's really inefficient
>Give them all the same equipment
>Very boring
>>341591773
6.8 is a form of intermediate cartridge
>>341591951
I'm trying to resist giving my team g3's
>>341592091
I know. But its a new meme round. Like the 4.7 5.7 and all them other troll rounds.
>>341591951
Themes like grenadier, heavy, medic, etc.? Roles are sexy.
>>341589009
In 1.13, I always hit Santa Maria first, and use that town as my gun storage depot. So long as you don't do the quests there to fix the mafia situation, you very very very rarely get chased there by the Government forces.
Alright niggers, what should I be doing after I take Drassen? This is vanilla btw.
>>341592204
It's not really...
>>341591773
I go with intermediate cartridges all the time because the weapons don't take up all my AP to get on target and fire a single shot
>>341592218
Never thought of that.
I run around stealth cheesing randumb patrols until i csn afford to take drassen and fortify it a square at a time
>>341592312
It isn't? I've only heard laughter directed at 6.8.
Why isn't it a silly idea?
BURST FIRE
MACHINE GUNNER
ALL DAY EVERY DAY
>>341592362
Yeah it's good. Tony's at Santa Maria too, so you get a good gun dealer to sell/buy to.
The central town (I've forgotten the name) has good maps for fighting while still carrying the earlier gear, plenty of cover and ways to keep the engagements up close and messy.
After that I'll sometimes wander top left and take the SAM base, or even take a big detour down south-east for the training base and rich people resort... then prepare myself mentally and physically to take Drassen and rebuff the counter attack.
>>341592473
The ares shrike. Or g36 eyc with beta cmags are hilarious for masheen gunnaz. Its like playing as orkz.
MORE DAKKA NAO!
>>341589215
>TIME TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH
>>341589108
>so devs are forced to make new ones
kek, they aren't helping either.
>Drassen counter attack enabled by default
They're just putting off older and younger players
https://www.gog.com/game/jagged_alliance_2
What's your excuse for not owning it?
All pukes wasted. I don't even know why they show up.
>>341592430
5.56 is a fantastic round, especially out of a 16'' to 20'' barrel, but it has some shortcomings
In order of significance
>barrier penetration performance
>terminal ballistics at long range (400m++)
>short barrel performance
6.8 SPC, and the similarly intended 6.5 Grendel, are about addressing the first and third points mostly
For the second point, that's why there's modern weapon systems developed to use classic 7.62x51 NATO
>play jagged alliance back in action
>its terrible
>>341593194
If you want to reach a new level of autismal gaming, try 7.62 High Calibre w/ Blue Sun Mod + Mercapocalypse.
>>341593194
Try 7.62 instead if you want a RTwP tactics game.
>>341593319
I have silent storm gold edition but haven't played it yet.
>>341593319
>>341593369
>$5
Thanks for the recommendation by the way lads.
>>341593180
Ah. Its a stopgap measure that kind of 'fixes' the problem then.
I wussed out and bought as vals. I'll keep stealth cheesing the enemy with stealth raifus
>>341594013
Everything's a tradeoff.
>>341576956
That's yer nostalgia talking. Silent Storm is the better game.
>>341578730
That's probably the case actually half the people bitching about millennials ARE millennials, and the other half are underage and are the edge generation
>>341594302
>yer
I'd like to take a moment to put the spotlight on one of my favourite mercs, Razor. These stats might be an AIMNAS-only thing, I forget.
>dumb as a sack of bricks
>can't shoot for shit
>99 AGI
>Athletics
Fastest possible speed in the game right off the bat, and he's a dirt cheap MERC merc. Motherfucker can run further than tanks can move in one turn. Get him in your initial team, and his terrible MRK scores won't matter since he can just sprint right up to a guy and pistol headshot him from pissing range. Then probably sprint back into cover too, given how stupid fast he is.
Later on, when his MRK is higher, I usually give him a burst fire SMG or carbine so he burst headshots someone from medium range instead. No danger of activating his psycho full auto with burst mode. Pretty good idea to give him a little medical training as well so he can sprint through multiple houses to slap a bandage on someone.
>>341594465
Is that a problem?
>>341576956
I would love a Jagged Alliance game on the Silent Storm engine, 3D environments, full destruction, etc.
>>341594861
I want a new modern engined faithful redux ja2. None of this rebooted herpaderp bs 'the original game was an X. So we're making this reboot an action fps open world survival horror game for modern audiences because we feel gamers won't get the old games format'.
If i like the modern XCOM, can i get into this?
>>341595702
Yep.
>>341595790
Like, what are the main differences?
>>341595908
modern XCOM is pretty tabletop-like with lots of dice-rolling and arbitrary limits on what works and what doesn't. JA2 and old xcom are more simulation-like.
The most striking difference is that being shot once is pretty likely to kill your guys for pretty much the whole game. The limits to what you can do in a turn is also completely different. Rather than 2 big things they can do a shitload of small and specific things. Really the whole comparison is like that. XCOM feels broad and game-like while JA2 and old xcom are all about small details and management-autism. XCOM management is a joke compared to the older stuff.
>>341595908
biggest difference is that weapons that shot multiple bullets don't do 2-3 dmg more like in xcom. Each bullet hurts for the same amount. And you are spewing tons of them in short amount of time. So you can later on equip a guy with a full auto weapon; spray an area and kill/main bunch of enemies. Also enemies can do the same to you.
>>341596462
Modern xcom
>can only interrupt once
>can't even choose your facings so you end up with retardotron troops ignoring every single flank
>cinematic 'discovery' that can only have the cutscene disabled, leaving enemy mobs with free turns anytime one of their members leaves and enters detection. Meaning the ayys get roughly 3-5 turns to your 1.
>>341596751
I LOVE giving my machine gunner a belt fed weapon and the lrak vest.
>supress the entire squad of enemy mooks lettingnmy squad outflank.
>>341596761
Yeah that 'discovery' mechanic is why I've probably put at least 500 hours into UFO but only gone through XCOM the one time really.
>>341596462
JA2 is also kind of open world, where you have a big map you can just roam and do stuff.. mainly just liberating cities though.
There are also some quests you can complete, but a lot less than in an actual RPG.
I like that, when you shoot a gun in JA2, the bullet actually travels through the environment, and can hit something you didn't want to hit..
From what I remember in XCOM it's just a pure diceroll, where it either hits the target or doesn't.
You can also use stealth properly in a lot less scripted way than in the newest XCOM.
>>341595908
>>341596462
>>341596751
What these guys said. Best example for ja2 was from when my friend told me he was defending drassen from full-scale counterattack. During the fight he was getting low on ammo so he sent 1 guy to run to his weapon storage (in different city sector). Get fully equipped with spare ammo, run back into warzone, dodge enemy soldier and back into defensive position to give ammo to rest of the team.
>>341595908
You don't develop equipment, you buy them from ingame merchants. Sometimes enemies drop their equipment as well.
Money flows in regularly from silver mines you capture. This money goes to paying for your mercs' contracts, buying stuff from merchants, paying local militia that you've trained to defend capture towns or wander around the countryside to wreck enemy parties/get wrecked themselves.
Cover is not that clear-cut, you don't have overlays telling you what level of cover something provides. That said, if it looks like something can block bullets, it probably can.
Suppression is very powerful and works by just having bullets fly past nearby a guy. AP available for the next turn gets reduced, and you can scare a guy into immobility by shooting enough bullets near him. Having a machinegunner hose down a street from one end while the rest of your guys move up and pick off enemies cowering on the floor is a very common and useful tactic. That said,
Ammo has weight and are resources you have to keep track of. So if you want to have a machinegunner hose down the street non-stop turn after turn, you better have brought enough ammo for him.
Alerting a guy doesn't mean end of stealth mode. You can run back into the darkness and sneak around till they stop looking and just fall into a heightened state of alertness.
Off the top of my head these are some of the mechanical differences. There's plenty more, but other folks can fill you in.
>>341583124
>>that feel when you kill so many of them, they run out of names
>>341594704
It will make me disregard any and all of your opinions.
>>341596935
Exactly.
Meanwhile. I'm restarting ja2 for a snake eater run lel.
Played vanilla couple of times experienced/realistic/normal guns. Never played 1.13. What settings should i use? Is new change to hit system or improved interrupt system worth it?
>>341589470
>Earring
Soiled it
>>341598203
New chance to hit is more imtelligent. But adds Some difficulty since ai still gets to use old cth. New interrupt seems to be fucking sweet ...
Is JA 1.13 multiplayer any good? My father and I are fans of turn-based games and are looking for something complex to get into, seeing as he's retired and I have a week off from work.
>>341594620
tfw have to sacrifice Flecktarn's higher camo bonus for TT-Assault vest's more AR mag pockets to fit all those throwing knives
also he learns pretty quick for his low wisdom
>>341599223
Use russian 106 or 107?
Did they ever get the campaign going in multiplayer?
Can someone upload JA2 GOG? I can't find it anywhere
>>341599619
>can't find it anywhere
found it first place I looked
>>341599828
Lol. Meanwhile. My snake found a makarov to silence. And the guy using it had 4 mags of glaser on him.
>crawling through the scrub plinking mooks ded with a shitty makarov lel.
>>341599303
>106
same camo, less AR pockets
>107
same AR pockets, less camo
also, the most annoying thing in 1.13
>put backpack with items on ground
>restart game for whatever reason
>content either vanishes or gets turned to a shovel and few rocks
>>341600389
Isn't there community patches or a mod that should stop this from happening?
I managed to not be a lazy cunt and find the GOG version to DL, so i'm just worried that glitches like this will make stop playing
>>341600389
I've never encountered this...
>>341600772
it's caused by a mod (1.13) to begin with - original game doesn't have the whole LBA gear system
could've been patched in a nightly build but I can't be bothered with installing it now, as it could fuck up my saves even more. maybe next campaign...
Had to put down this game because as soon as I captured the airport enemies were suddenly popping everywhere and they rapidly overran my still rookie units.
>>341601479
you could have disabled the counter-attack, or gotten cheeky ( >>341583124 )
and the counter-attack only really happens in 1.13, so you must've went against common advice to try vanilla first
>>341601727
Eh it was pretty fun playing hide and seek in the wilderness for a while, one of my guys was ultra stealthy and couldn't never be found.
>>341602721
if you play any build with the covert ops trait (which has been available since the last stable build in 2014 i think), you can literally walk past soldiers while disguised and shoot them in the back from point blank and then walk away in the same turn.
>>341593013
Serious smafu here
What were the attribute grinding actions again (for 1.13)?
>>341605542
>Leadership
spam orders to a militia
>Strength/Health
put on as much weight as possible and keep walking/running around (when tired, drink from canteen, then [ctrl+.] and fill canteen)
alternatively there was something with sending the merc to travel on foot in mountain sectors and then immediately cancelling the order
>Explosives
spam planting and disarming mines
>Agility
sneak behind enemies at night
>>341606726
>Strength/Health
>put on as much weight as possible and keep walking/running around (when tired, drink from canteen, then [ctrl+.] and fill canteen)
This one is amazing with those vehicle slot sized ammo crates. I like to recruit the 2 guys from the prison and have them haul all the ammo back to the hospital.
Reminder to ignore the cucks that say to start with 1.13 and start with Stracciatella instead to get a feel for the original game.
Now I want to play again.
What is a good fun strat to play with or to start the game. I don't want to stress with Drassen.
>>341610006
Drassen is actually incredibly easy if you have an IMP with 2 points in covert ops and 1 in night ops. Alternatively, if you don't want to cheese the AI, you can always reduce the max number of enemies per sector in the .ini (though this will result in more waves of reinforcements).
So uh, i've got JA2 installed now.
Where do i start? Do i play vanilla? Do i play with mods? I dont understand
>>341610979
Go through vanilla at least once.
>>341610006
Right down the middle to the Rich People's Resort, then kill em all
>>341610979
Use stracciatella for vanilla. It's an unofficial patch that lets you play in larger resolutions and fixes bugs without changing any game mechanics.
>>341611190
Um, i have it installed now, and i just get a black screen trying to boot it.
>>341610006
go San Mona first
>>341612954
>>341612952
Never mind! I fixed it with Straccitella.
Does it work together with 1.13 .later on if i wanna play that?
>>341612952
Isn't that based on Wildfire, though?
>>341576956
>implying you're not a millenial
>>341613313
No. You don't need it for 1.13. I like running JA2 in 1280 x 960 in a window since it's a good balance between text being to small and game being too blurry.
>>341613486
No.
