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>Dark Souls single-handedly inspired the combat system of the new Zelda, GOW, and multiple new IPs
Is this the most influential game of the century?
>>341574342
Dark Souls was inspired by Zelda in the first place
>>341574342
i love dark souls but there were games with similar combat before
>>341574442
Like... ?
>>341574342
I hate the game for making "journalists" use it as the go to hard game. Thank god the trend of calling something the dark souls of puzzle games and shit like that is over.
>>341574342
>giving people what they want instead of pretentious shit
I see no flaws
>>341574402
And now Zelda has started to adopt Dark Souls style of slow and deliberate attacks.
The student has literally surpassed the master.
>>341574523
>>341574560
>no one ever remembers demons souls
>>341574342
>>341574342
No.
But Demon's Souls is.
>>341574342
What changed in Zelda's combat? I only noticed that they added witch time to it.
>>341574635
mi manolo
>>341574342
dark souls invented two-hand weapons
>tfw nobody copies dragons dogma combat
>>341574795
Wouldn't that take effort?
>>341574651
Some people must do I'm pretty sure online is still slightly alive.
>>341574651
>>341574725
No one remembers Demon Souls because no one ever played Demon Souls.
Dark Souls was the first game in the series to be accessible to everyone and sparked the fire that is now souls games and souls-like games.
Only when Dark Souls became popular did people revisit Demon Souls, and even then it still isn't as popular as Dark Souls.
>>341574795
DD combat has to be some of the most overhyped shit of all time.
>>341574861
Well I did faggot and so did my friend so that's you wrong right away.
>>341574917
It just feels good man
>>341574861
Ir was popular here.
Plebs only like what they're told to like. It was sad to see all the video game bloggers who didn't care about DeS suddenly jump on DaS because it was the next big thing.
Is it possible to get that skin/mod?
You're forgetting this
>>341575028
Google is your friend
>Dark Souls was the first adventure game to do everything!
Damn, you faggots really are delusional.
>>341574917
It's not as perfect as people say, but it's far and beyond better than Souls combat.
>>341574342
>Dark Souls
>not Monster Hunter
I am dissapoint
>>341574951
And who the fuck are you? Nobody gives a shit about some random anon and his buttbuddy's opinion of a videogame on an anonymous image board.
Gaming media in large completely ignored Demons Souls or gave it bad reviews. Shuhei fucking Yoshida and Yahtzee completely shitted on the game calling it "bad".
This was still during the phase where every videogame was becoming more and more casual, and no one gave a fuck about some hard-ass game on one console system that no one who reviewed it liked it.
Dark Souls literally turned the "casual sells more" marketing research upside down as saved gaming as we know it. Demon Souls did fuck all.
>>341574861
I'm going to guess you weren't browsing this board when Demon's Souls came out.
>>341575205
>Oh boo hoo, they are copying the original instead of another poor clone!
Cry me a river.
>>341575090
ahm stupid!
Thanks anon, will buy the game just for that mod.
>>341575076
>sudden flashbacks from the game "die by the sword"
and now i am gonna have more nightmares
>>341575113
DD combat is only good when fighting large creatures. Against bandits and the like it's pretty damn bad.
>There are people on this board who don't realize * Souls combat mechanics are ripped from Monster Hunter
>dark souls invented rolling
You're so fucking stupid
>>341575268
Literally everything you said in that statement was wrong, thanks for bringing nothing of value to the thread.
>>341575205
Monster Hunter was never and still isn't as popular as Dark Souls today.
While I will agree that Monster Hunter is just as fun if not more so than Dark Souls, the topic of which game is more "influential", and nothing has topped Dark Souls in this category.
>>341575268
>Dark Souls saved gaming
>AAA gaming industry is literally worse than the movie industry now
I enjoy dork souls to but don't exaggerate
>>341574342
What disgusting UI is that?
>>341575354
What? The games combat is basically OoT but way expanded upon.
>>341574983
Yahtzee did this. His ZP shat all over DeS, but then DaS started to get attention and he was all over the cock and now acts like his some kind of fucking absolute authority on the lore and how to play. Flip flopping faggot he is.
>>341575354
>>341575372
It didn't invent rolling but it sure perfected the concept.
Maybe Demon's Souls wasn't that good
>>341575492
casualized it as well
I tend to think of it as games kind of influence each other. Right now Zelda is being influenced by a lot of western games. A lot of western games were influenced by early Zelda games. In the future, the new Zelda may influence future western games.
And so the circle continues.
>>341574523
>>341575578
>Dark Souls
>a series whose subtitle is literally "PREPARE TO DIE"
>casualized
Are you doing this on purpose?
>>341575616
>filename
Nice.
>tfw genuinely enjoyed the souls games
>tfw the fanbase killed it for you
It feels like smouldering hot shit due to the amount of ass kissing and near worship that is done for the game. I loved it as a good challenging experience that was based around memorizing the enemies moves and getting better as you played the game.
>>341575414
Nice deflection. Glad that you admit you have no rebuttal.
>>341575438
>more and more action games are copying Souls design philosophy
>this is somehow worse than every game hand-holding players through every step of the game
I'm not exaggerating when I say Dark Souls saved gaming.
>>341575354
He thinks souls isn't a spiritual successor to Severance: Blade of Darkness
>>341575492
Explain how souls games perfected the concept of rolling. It's pretty much exactly the same as Monster Hunter.
>>341574917
>Souls babby has a blown out asshole.
>>341574523
Do i keep going?
>>341575652
That's no more meaningful then understanding you'll have a fair amount of tries in a rythm games song set before you can do them all perfectly. A game being about memorization doesn't make it hardcore.
>>341575652
I-frames rolling literally makes the game babbys mode, das2 made it a bit harder but it's still makes it easy compared to other action adventure games
>>341575747
Monster Hunter is a casual Nintendo series meant to appeal to kids and adults who have never played a game before, as per Nintendo's usual modus operandi. Dark Souls is a game made by gamers for gamers - people who understand the importance of challenge and overcoming adversity.
Dark Souls is unoriginal in almost every front but please tell me another game with the same amazingly looping level design
Not a challenge, I just need more games like this
>>341575867
What does that have to do with rolling?
>>341575270
You mean back when PS3 had no gaems?
Fucking newfag.
>>341574795
It is petty meh when compared to Severance:BoD combat.
>>341575747
>He thinks souls isn't a spiritual successor to Severance: Blade of Darkness
It's not u dumb-asss
>>341575728
>I'm not exaggerating when I say Dark Souls saved gaming.
Demons Souls was something esoteric that somehow became succesfull enough for a "sequel". Dark Souls is a great game but its still regarded as being somewhat esoteric. Alot of people are "afraid" to even play it due to its wildly exaggerated reputation.
>>341575784
Go until you post a game people actually care about.
>>341575908
>what does game design philosophy have to do with game design?
Oh gee, I have no idea! Feel free to ignore everything I just said and go play your babby action games on your pink 3DS.
>>341575616
Severance was a good example but at this point you're just bringing in any fantasy hack and slash game as an example. Rune is incredibly fast paced, it has jumping, you don't lock on to enemies, you can attack while moving and jumping, etc.
>>341575905
Isn't that whole aspect of it reffered to as metroidvania.
>>341575492
>perfected the concept.
Like hell it did
DaS 1 had clunky controls for rolling
DaS 2 had ADP and non obvious stamina/range rules
DaS 3 has 0 recovery
Each entry in the main series fucked up rolling to a pretty large degree and most of them due to the fact that in 99% cases rolling was the right thing to do AND it required less and less timing as time went on. The only souls game to have decent rolling would a low ADP DS2 run because then you actually have to think about when you want to roll, DS1 and 3 have so little recovery on rolls that you can just keep mashing it and be all but immune to damage.
>>341575867
Except it Monster Hunter Debuted and PS2 and also you're fucking dumb
>>341574342
Not even close
>>341575913
>back when PS3 had no gaems
>back when
Huh?
>>341574861
It's not even popular though, every Souls games sales added together doesn't even break 8mil
>>341575747
>He thinks souls isn't a spiritual successor to Severance: Blade of Darkness
If only.The combat in souls is so meh that i can barely keep myself engaged.
Btw... Why no gore engine?Can't consoles handle it or they do it so the game can be marketed to little children?
>>341576095
>The combat in souls is so meh that i can barely keep myself engaged.
Translation: "I have ADHD and can't keep my attention up long enough to get past the Asylum Demon. I am retarded."
>>341574523
Demon's Souls
>>341575979
Anon, why don't we have more Rune games? I discovered that shit a month ago and played through it in one sitting on a saturday, really fucking fun game
>"The most influential game of the century?"
>We're only 16 years into the century
Holy shit, is OP a video game journalist?
Reminder that nobody reading this will see the next turn of the century in 2100
>>341576095
Are you implying that Severance combat is better? I mean, it's a fun game and all but the combat's a mess. Once you get to some decent special moves there's practically no reason to use anything else because of how powerful they are, plus comboing moves is a clusterfuck that you don't need to put any thought into at all and the stamina system is barely noticable most of the time. On top of that the enemy design is very limited and it just feels like you're fighting 2-3 enemy types the entire game, same attacks and everything. It has more mechanics, but it's not nearly as well designed.
>>341574342
Yes. So much so that it even had its own term coined: Souls-like.
>mfw no Zelda-like
>>341576208
Are you implying I won't live to 100+?
>>341576208
You don't know that, one of us might be a Rothschild Frankenstein monstrosity
>>341575979
You have jumping attacks in soul series but you are right that souls is really slow.Even slower than Severance and with simplified combat.
P.S you don't have to lock on enemies in souls or severance either.
>>341575973
Please do tell how the philosophy directly influenced the mechanic we are talking about.
I'm guessing you don't know how it did hence the vague assertions.
>>341575951
>Alot of people are "afraid" to even play it due to its wildly exaggerated reputation.
That's completely the opposite you moron.
Dark Souls has been touted as such a "hard" and "challenging" game by every clickbait news site, every normie, and every "gamer" in every country. It is literally the normie challenge-game, where people spout "play dark souls it's hard and if you don't beat it you're not a real gamer!".
While Souls game in general are only difficult to sell the rewarding feeling of besting an opponent tougher than yourself, normies sperg over the fact that it's "hard" as its best merit and hence why Dark Souls is so legendary today.
>>341576280
There have been Zelda-likes since the original Zelda
>>341576338
>vague
They aren't vague if you have an ounce of functional brain matter. Or do you need a Youtube video to spell it out for you?
>>341576348
There certainly are harder games around, too, but dark souls earns it's mediocre sales sailing the seas of memes
>>341576280
There are plenty of Zelda-likes, the most famous and better than the original formula being Okami.
>>341576348
>normie
>sperg
Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say?
>>341576271
sbod has guard and evade cancelling which I wish souls could have for feints and whatnot in pvp
>>341574342
Dark Souls is just a clunky slant eye hack n slash """""rpg""""" with loads of memes.
FROMdrones and Soulsdrones needs to wake up from their daydreaming.
>>341575784
Post Onimusha, the real inspiration for Dark Souls
>>341576348
>tfw you see posts made by others where they litterally think they are now made a man for beating dark souls
This is the only thing that honestly makes me consider suicide. Numales are trash, irredeemable trash.
>>341576381
Indeed.
Neutopia 1 and 2 on the TurboGrafx16.
>>341576271
>Are you implying that Severance combat is better?
I am not implying anything.
Not only it is structured better but the amount of variety in it is shitting all over souls.
Only shitters use just one move.
>On top of that the enemy design is very limited and it just feels like you're fighting 2-3 enemy types the entire game
Wow soul babies ladies and gentlemen.Not only you are fighting a lot more than 3 enemy types but those types evolve and adopt the new weapons with new combos and new specials that they perform.
Souls is designed better my ass.I just have to go back and think about traps in both games and the limited design choices in souls make it clear that their developer is a meh console developer with no imagination what so ever.
>>341576417
If you think I'm going to make your argument for you at some point you're mistaken.
Stop being a coward and tell me how the roll in Dark Souls was "perfected" compared to the roll in Monster Hunter.
>>341576459
No one is debating if Dark Souls is the hardest game you retard. Also
>mediocre
>"Dark Souls III was critically and commercially successful, with critics calling the game a worthy and a fitting conclusion to the series. The game also became Bandai Namco's fastest selling game in their history, selling over three million copies worldwide two months after release."
>>341576486
Stop sperging, normie.
>>341576775
You could play both of those games for starters.
>>341575616
rune plays fuck all like DaS
it's more akin to a third person shooter with swords instead of guns
>>341574861
>no one ever played Demon Souls
except it was Demon Souls success in the west that convinced FROM that there was a market outside japan for Dark Souls in the first place but sure prove more how much of an underage retard you are.
>>341574635
better hitboxes too. I ducked right under that shit by accident.
>>341576843
I have. Go on, explain yourself. I believe in you, you're about to make your first argument anon.
>>341575864
But you have limited rolls
You can taste the fucking underage in this thread.
People who look at a swordplay combat system with lock-on and dodge rolls to be "Dark Souls" and not "Zelda"
People who believe the term "Zelda-Like" didn't exist
>>341576791
Oh wow, DS3 sold as much as Cities Skylines in 2 months. A indie developed Paradox published PC exclusive city builder. Talk about commercial success
>>341576938
>I have
If you can't tell the difference between the sloppy rolling in Monster Hunter and the frame-perfect rolls in Souls, no you haven't. You probably never even got past the tutorial in DaS1.
>played ds3 for 107 hours
>only completed it once
I keep making new characters and deleting them when realizing no build is better than raw ass pyromancer.
>>341575451
You keep bringing up Yahtzee as if someone cares about his opinions.
He's not popular or remotely influential. He's a literally who in the industry.
>>341574342
people only like to spout dark souls is hard but they don't even play them
>>341575428
>Monster Hunter was never and still isn't as popular as Dark Souls today.
>Dark Souls sales: 8.5 millions
>Monster Hunter sales: 36 millions
wew
>>341574635
great game
>>341576714
Variety doesn't mean shit without balance, if the most effective way to play is to spam one move then you bet your ass the game's combat system isn't very good. It's not even like DMC where a lack of balance is mitigated by a scoring system, here doing anything but what's the most effective is not rewarded in any way really. The different types of knights, skeletons and orcs are basically what you're fighting for most of the game and their movesets while technically different still feel very samey. It's not like Souls where small differences in attack timing are a big deal, here you just find an opening and combo everything to death or stay just out of range and kill them with a special move
>>341575428
It doesn't matter which is more popular with the masses to see which is more influential with developers you dumbass.
>>341577024
Alright I'm seeing a bit of an argument here.
In what way is the rolling in Monster Hunter sloppy? Is it inconsistent? Are the animations worse? Come on anon, we're almost there.
>>341576990
sheeeesh nintenyearold no one cares about bad games
>>341576926
Do you have the one with the goblin and the knight?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egad_InYl6I
I can't seem to find it?
>>341575990
No. Metroidvania is when you regress through the level once you get better equipment/upgrades.
It's nothing to do with interconnectivity.
>>341577153
Play a Souls game, any Souls game, beyond the tutorial area, spend some time mastering the roll, and you will see for yourself.
>>341577054
Where did you find those numbers?
>>341576926
Wait i found it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tbcZvGSgVk
>>341577162
I haven't played a Nintendo game since the N64 era but holy shit you're underage if Zelda's peak didn't land in your childhood and you never played them so you call them bad games.
>>341577175
I both love and hate the fact that your weapon can get blocked by walls, when I played as the barbarian one goblin gave me hell for like 5 tries in a narrow narrow hallway that was too long to kite
>>341577257
I've played all of the souls game.
Are you incapable of formulating your argument in detail or are you afraid to? If it's the latter, it's an anonymous imageboard man, no need to be afraid.
>>341577093
>spamming one move
>he thinks he can finish the game using just one move
>>341577293
>>341577175
>>341577254
Large, interconnected levels are an important element of Metroidvania games. It's just the shitty ones that limit their exploration to finding optional rooms with collectibles. SoTN and Harmony of Dissonance are good examples of exploration-heavy Metroidvania games.
>>341576990
Why are you comparing casual garbage like Zelda to Souls design?
>>341575428
Dark Souls is some niche trash for spergs, bud. I'd be hard pressed to find one franchise DS manages to outsell and MH sure as fuck isn't one of them.
Maybe Space Engineers or Evolve or something like that DS might have outsold.
I wouldn't be surprised if Evolves first month sales blows away any of the Souls games either, that's what a failure the franchise is. I guess commercially it doesn't do that bad since it's a series of endlessly rehashing the same assets.
>>341574342
It is the shittest gaem of the century
>>341577394
>I've played all of the souls game.
>the souls game
I'm getting baited, aren't I. Well played. You had me going for a bit.
>>341575913
>Better spout some meme real fucking fast
Yeah, everyone and their fucking dog were talking about DeS back then
I should be angry at people who keep calling Dark Souls the best game ever but I can't prove them wrong since it is the best game ever
>>341574342
>Dark Souls single-handedly inspired the combat system of the new Zelda
The problem with Zelda is that the enemies, even bosses, don't offer any challenge to make a deep combat system worthwhile.
>>341577078
oh and there are some nice mods for it out there
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ehj8Qzni45I
>>341577485
They were on here
>>341577424
They're both games that different generations played as children and they have similar mechanics.
The difference being Zelda was actually good and actually influential.
>>341577351
I both loved and hated the fact that your shield breaks for real eventually.
Some enemies were meant to be dodged.
Also lets not forget that you can throw your weapons.
>>341577397
You absolutely can finish the game while only spamming one special move though as long as you beat the first few levels so that you get some decent ones. That's basically all I did near the end of the game because I was getting a bit tired of it
>>341574342
> new Zelda uses muh Souls combat
why do you have to lie to feel reaffirmed in your tastes?
>>341574605
>And now Zelda has started to adopt Dark Souls style of slow and deliberate attacks.
What planet are you living on m8. All the stuff in the new LoZ trailer is 10x faster than anything in DS.
>>341577474
You're really terrible at formulating an argument. All he's asking for is an explanation. Why is that so hard to provide?
>>341577474
Still not capable of putting into words your own opinion? I'm still waiting.
>>341574342
witcher predates DeS
>>341577485
You mean in your PS3 containment threads on /v/? Which were nothing but circlejerking on weeb trash, movie games, and Demon's Souls?
>>341575653
That wall texture
>>341575905
Super Metroid
Metroid Prime
La Mulana
Almost any good Metroidvania will do the trick and with much more interesting level design since the genre is usually built around some form of platforming instead of combat.
>>341574635
This is the game that actually inspired dark souls, not zelda.
What a fucking masterpiece, ahead of its time.
Rune was good too.
>>341576001
This. Dark Souls rolling is shit and you can tell why since they just give you a bunch of iframes to mask the fact that they can't program good hitboxes to save their lives.
>Squeenix is the only good developer left in Japan
>Konami just closed shop
Who knew we would witness the death of japanese vidya around 2016?
>>341577560
I don't know what fucking planet you're from where the same rehashed linear design and boring puzzles with joke bosses counts as "actually good".
Zelda has been around forever and was one of the main culprits of dumbing down to casuals. Influential? To the casual death of videogames I suppose.
>>341577926
>Squeenix
> good
>DS combat
>Light attacks
>Heavy attacks
>Rolling
>Lockon
Isn't this OOT combat?
>>341577616
>trailer
Watch unedited gameplay footage, not the jumpcut stuff in trailers.
>>341576381
Fuck this game was good. Too bad it so shamelessly rips off Zelda that most people didn't take it seriously. It also came out when Master System was way, way dead in the water.
>>341578006
It belongs to Dark Souls now.
Considering the climbing mechanic and varied moveset I'd say it's probably closer to Dragon's Dogma.
>>341578146
...Why?
Because you say so?
>>341578006
Shh, dark souls invented everything good.
>>341574861
This is bullshit.
I bet this faggot has an Xbox.
>>341578006
>LOZ combat
>mash attack
>HA HEI HA HYAH HA HEI
>no stamina meter and dumb trash enemies that walk into attacks
>SHOOT THE RED WEAKPOINT bosses with convenient lockons on said weakpoints
Isn't this Dark Souls combat? Oh wait no it isn't. It's just casual Zelda garbage.
Oi cunts, pick which ending for ds3 I should choose. Didn't bother with usurpation so that's not an option this run
>>341578006
>zelda invented rolling and light/heavy attacks
Kek
>>341577978
OoT, MM, and ALttP are genuinely great games with a lot of positive attributes but the best of them being the legendary and timeless soundtracks that most people recognize still today.
Meanwhile DS attempts(poorly) to market itself on how 'hardcore' it is but even with BB being the only exclusive on PS4 for over a year still nobody gave two shits about it.
I find it laughable to see kids who aren't even old enough to know what Commandos is tell me how DS is their favorite game and how "hardcore" they feel playing it.
I have never in my life boasted about managing to beat a single player game since out-smarting AI really isn't that much of a feat; but I digress knowing this is the only value DS fanboys can find in their pointless sad lives.
>>341575784
yes you do because I need more games to play
>>341578421
People fucking love bloodborne, what?
>>341578351
Could you imagine how easy OOT would be without the weakpoints?
Well, as easy as Dark Souls I guess.
>>341578409
SOMEONE ANSWER
>>341574795
DD combat is no different than dozens of other brawler type action games. The only thing it did relatively unique in the slightest was allowing people to climb on large monsters.
Get your head out of your ass.
Monster Hunter was the real inspiration for Demon Souls.
Because MH is the CoD of japan. So they implemented its gameplay to King's Field.
The end. Stop arguing while knowing fucking nothing.
>>341578517
Could you imagine how easy Dark Souls would be without stamina?
Well, as easy as LOZ I guess.
>>341578421
Bloodborne is amazing. No one talks about it because it's an exclusive like Demon's Souls and it's much more action based.
That said, I think DaS is merely okay and the Zelda games you mentioned are among the best games around.
>>341578502
>People fucking love Bloodborne
What people? The game has sold like 2 million copies.
>>341578634
But going dex and Clover ring makes Stamina pointless anyway in Dark Souls 1.
>>341578598
Why does Monster Hunter have such a terrible fanbase? I honestly can't think of any other fanbase that tries to shove their game in every conversation as the pinnacle of everything.
>>341578409
Swimming
>>341574635
Name?
>>341578694
The people who played the game you dumbass, just because it wasn't popular doesn't erase the fact that everyone who bought it speaks of it positively
>>341578732
>he says this when the souls fanbase exists
not even that guy but kek
>>341578732
Check your tinfoil hat there, Timmy. I only mentioned it's extremely popular in japan.
Your headcanon fanfiction needs some rewriting.
>>341578814
severance blade of darkness
>>341578942
Thanks
>>341575076
thicc
>>341578870
Souls is bad, but they're beaten by MH shitters since they actively go into Souls threads just to talk about their game.
>>341578409
Waifu bullying obviously
>>341574342
>Dark Souls
You mean Demon's Souls.
>>341579024
They do have reason to talk about their game though, monster hunter is fairly popular in the place das is made which will likely have impact on it.
>>341578732
>complete lack of self awareness
At least Monster Hunter isn't the same fucking game over and over
>>341578849
Well I'm happy for all 5 of them, but to be influential you have to wield a bit of influence first.
>>341579024
I don't know of anyone who goes into other threads to shill their games more than Souls fans.
>>341578732
This entire thread was made by some autist trying to claim that Zelda and Dark Souls are alike, when the only thing that's similar is that they're the same genre.
>>341578421
And you've completely missed the point. Entirely.
Zelda hasn't changed in ages. They used the same formula, the same stagnant story for years and years. Game after game of the same old shit. While it has always been a casual series, Zelda, Commandos, Contra, Castlevania and pretty much every game back then had the same design philosophy which is "challenging is fun". Zelda of today is nothing but cuck handholding, boring dungeons, and shitty "story", weak telegraphed bosses, and linear exploration, completely the opposite of what the first Zelda was built upon.
Zelda is by no means the most influential game. Had Dark Souls not existed, Zelda would have stagnated even further, probably leading to the death of the IP. Dark Souls breathed life back into gaming by making "challenging is fun" relevant again, and the new Zelda's weight combat and exploration is completely influenced by Dark Souls.
In other words, Dark Souls saved your precious Zelda. You're welcome.
>>341579139
Who the fuck claimed BB was influential the game isn't even that old
>MH defense force
Case rested.
>>341579104
>Demon's Souls
You mean King's Field
>>341574342
Well, for you casual teenargers it is.
>>341576001
DS1 has tight as fuck rolling u rly need to get gud my friend
You guys are all fools.
The most influential game is tf2 cause now every game is a fucking money-whoring shitpile that gets people to spend on gambling the equivalent to crates
>>341578517
>Any Zelda game
>anywhere near as difficult as Dark Souls
>>341579104
No, I mean Dark Souls.
>>341579370
>Dark Souls
>Difficult
It's like SotN for utter retards.
>>341579331
He means only 8 directions to roll in
So yeah he needs to git gud
>>341574342
>Dark Souls single-handedly inspired the combat system of the new Zelda
Yeah like those Stalfos on the demo, boy! they sure were SUPER aggressive, oh and no need to mention Bokoblins, they did tons of damage!
>>341575908
It has nothing to do with rolling, the rolling in monster hunter has fuck all iframes in comparison and takes actual skill to use
>>341575414
> thanks for bringing nothing of value to the thread.
Anon you do see the irony of this post right
>>341579209
I don't care about Zelda anymore, I haven't played any since MM. The guys who make Zelda probably don't even know what DS is considering what a laughable irrelevant niche market it is.
Believe me, there are no serious video game devs in the industry right now looking at DS and its entire 1mil annual sales post-release and thinking, "We need to be more like that."
Time to come out of that delusional faggot dreamworld you're living in that makes you think that DS isn't a yearly rehash of the same assets sold again and again.
>>341579370
>Dark Souls is hard
Why? Because of stamina? Because you have yo wait more to attack?
>>341579295
Yeah, nah. King's Field is nothing like DeS/DaS combat wise.I don't actually believe it is as influential as OP says it is. But if anything, it's Demon's Souls that was influential, not Dark Souls.
>>341579209
zelda sure as fuck has changed more throughout its history than your autistic borefest endlessly copypasting the same three environments
the newest zelda is also far more inspired by skyrim, you know an actual influential game than by the favorite series of oily fedoras worldwide
>>341578634
Stamina isn't an issue in DaS1 though.
>>341579370
>Dark Souls
>anywhere near as difficult as Zelda II.
This is coming from a huge soulsfag that 100% all the games.
>>341579595
>Skyrim
All these people acting like Skyrim invented or revolutionised open worlds. It wasn't even the first Elder Scrolls, let alone the first open world game.
New Zelda just looks like the original in 3D.
>>341579595
>skyrim
Fuck no. There's literally nothing in common aside from the open-world rpg part. Combat isn't the same, survival isn't the same, dungeon solving isn't the same
>>341578351
SS had a stamina meter that staggered you when it ran out. Thats something that SS and Dark Souls have in common: they both rip off Monster Hunter
>>341579692
New Zelda actually allows you to use the environment in some insane ways, it's like dishonored with the "play your own way" type shit
>>341574847
Not even remotely.
>>341578694
Sony haven't released sales figures, it sold 2 million in like its first month.
>>341578421
I see significantly more Bloodborne threads on /v/ than fucking Zelda (prior to E3), does Zelda even have a general on /vg/?
>>341579786
Monster Hunter is boring garbage for super weebs and autistic japanese kids.
>>341579786
Stamina meter didn't apply to attacking, just blocking.
MH is definitely the first significant game I can think of where combat was based hugely on learning your opponent, DS is basically a glass-cannon version of MH
>>341574861
Why hasn't someone just removed this board and shot me through the head already.
Why do I keep browsing this place if I already know what kinds of posts I'm gonna keep reading.
Why do I browse even though I know this place brings me nothing but disappointment, anger, and sadness?
>>341579916
Monster hunter is a grinding game, if you don't like it do't fucking play anything that requires time to get gear i.e. mmos, arpgs, etc
>>341579565
>there are no serious video game devs in the industry right now looking at DS and its entire 1mil annual sales post-release and thinking, "We need to be more like that."
Except that's exactly what happened. All action games are adopting more weighty, less spammy combat akin to Souls games because Souls games have recieved something that most games haven't recieved in ages. Critical acclaim.
You can keep pretend that Souls games aren't popular, that they aren't influential. You can continue to pull sales numbers out of your ass where you got your opinion from. Dark Souls is the biggest success in gaming for both the industry and the players. You're delusional yourself if you can't see why that is.
>>341579674
I beat Zelda 2 in three sittings. It's not hard at all and you can grind your way to victory.
>>341579901
The actual audience zelda has is not anything that would normally come here for a lot of discussion to be honest. It's a very different kind of audience than what we may be used to.
>>341579968
You need to confirm there is no hope.
It honestly might be, either that or unfortunately Uncharted.
>>341578421
Those Zelda games are all but forgotten. I can't remember the last time I Saw a Zelda thread on /v/ before Zelda U got announced.
The only threads you see are "MM vs OoT" shitposts and they usually die out in 5 posts whereas Bloodborne/Souls see active discussion to this day.
Stop shitposting, Souls games were all consistently great (outside of DS2 and even that wasn't shit) whereas Zelda hasn't been good since its N64 days.
>>341580105
nigga nobody has 16 hour sittings like you do
>>341576926
It also has a bad ass main theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOaDfNdpZJs
>>341580127
The reasons there's no threads is because the game doesn't have a PvP to keep people actively caring about it
>>341579565
During the release of The Witcher 2, CDPR went in record saying the combat was directly inspired by Demon's Souls. How new ru?
>>341574342
We're fucking 16 years into the century, give it some time
Well, there's a reason every game is being essentially called a Souls clone or "Souls-like" whereas nobody says that about Zelda.
Shit, even Zelda is getting called a Souls clone recently
>>341580160
7 hours total. Start to end.
>>341580328
You're a special kind of boring if you went through that fast
>>341574635
final boss is meh AF
only 2 classes are completed abilities wise it's Knight and Warrior
2 other Dwarf and Amazon aren't finished and have only a half of their skills meant to exist but got cut cuz deadline or someshit
>>341579968
Kill yourself. No seriously.
>>341579674
>Zelda II
>anywhere near as difficult as Dark Souls
This is coming from a huge Zeldafag that 100% all the games.
>>341574342
Looks closer to the Witcher 3 mate
>>341580258
Explains how it's hot garbage.
>>341576182
>waah the drying paint on the wall is so boring
ADHD fags piss me off, watching the paint go from a shiny luster to a dull rough finish (don't get me started on the lacquer) is the greatest feeling in the world.
>>341580453
True final boss was meh ya, regular final boss was pretty good.
Amazon is still the strongest character.
>>341575653
>mfw running on those pipes until certain point where you slide and fall to your death
![cGHh5Be[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/l6WRaX1.png "cGHh5Be[1].png")
>>341580126
Uncharted didn't influence shit, nigguh.
>>341580418
There's practically no exploration.
You expanded a very brief game into an protracted affair because you aren't good at videogames. Kys
>>341577030
>>341579352
This is the correct answer
>>341574342
Pure bait. DS combat is a carbon copy of OoT.
>>341576271
>Are you implying that Severance combat is better?
>Once you get to some special moves there's no reason to use anything else
Well, that's probably because you've never played BoD online.
Combat system in BoD maybe lacks some polish of modern games, sure, but it is still light years ahead of "roll-roll-backstab" with basically two attacks, parry and a kick.
>>341579591
nah DaS is more influental because of it's popularity
no one cares about who did what first, only popular things become influental
you're just biased cuz DeS is almost forgotten and DaS still stays strong in the minds after more superior games like DaS2 and BB
>>341579432
>>341579571
Oh no, don't get me wrong. It's not hard.
It's just objectively more difficult than Zeldashit
>>341580127
Souls fanboys truly are deluded if they think more people know what Souls is and not Zelda
>>341580285
yeah because dark souls autists spam every vidya thread with their retarded delusions
>>341575076
King's Field 2 is a lot better.
>>341580478
Wow spicy original meme anon 10/10
Here's what zelda supposedly borrows from Dark Souls
>dodge rolling
>lock on
>multiple equippable weapons
>stamina bar
Now, as a subset of that list, here's what dark souls invented/popularized
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>>341580917
I do know one thing. The Souls series has been more successful in recent years than the Zelda series. Souls is a new franchise and it's already gaining traction whereas Zelda is a shell of its former self that hasn't been good since the N64 days.
Throw in the fact that it's hostage to an increasingly irrelevant platform/developer and yea, i'd say Souls will be the game that gets talked about in the coming years.
>>341580857
>3 million in 2 months
>influential
Yeah, nah. People still wanting to get into gtav levels of sales. This isn't much really
>>341580913
>objectively
there's that word again
DaS on PC was a mistake.
