Well damn just tried the patch and shit they really ruin this game huh
play druid literally killed off more then half the skills....
rip
>>341573538
Druids deserve to lose skills, they have more skills than a Warrior, Shaman, and Death Knight combined.
>>341574195
but you never use all of them
feral skills are irrelevant when you play moonkin or healer
so what do you use in these specs, like 5 spells max?
>>341573538
Downloading the PTR right now, i'm a bit scared to be frank.
>>341577942
I was in the same boat, you'll find something you won't like of course cos its wow but there's some things in there that's decent like the transmog wardrobe. Although I'm not very happy with Enhancement Shaman due to totems now becoming talents :/
Fury warrior is a lot more fun than I expected it to be. It's ridiculous with actual gear compared to the shitty premade stuff.
Transmogging is nice now.
>>341577942
do i need to subscribe to play the ptr? feeldsbamdan
wowh they removed useless spells
game is ruined :pppp
The disturbing part is OP isn't lying.
Marks, Survival and Beast Mastery are all just shy of 2 pages of abilities WHILE TALENTED.
>>341573538
Most battles don't last long enough for you to need to use all 23 of your combat skills
even the more difficult battles only really require you use like 5 or 6 abilities total
Face it, anon. Those other abilities are just dead weight.
>>341581528
How is this bad
>>341581541
you are an idiot
just because you only use 5-6 abilities in some fights doesn't mean the other skills are pointless
that's just because fighting mobs while questing is piss easy
almost every skill had a use
abilities are being pruned because the people playing this game are too dumb
>>341581627
Because the core rotation really is now builder, weak attack, strong attack
There's zero variety, even the talents are getting close to one another in what they do.
>>341581528
If the application and use of those skills is better, 2 pages is fucking plenty.
>>341581756
It's literally the same as ever, except they removed the shit you never use.
>>341581691
I haven't followed all the classes, but looking at Warriors it doesn't seem like a lot was pruned... And if things were removed they also got replaced. The rotation looks pretty similar with how much you can do.
I'm sad now. Everytime I check in on this game each class has less and less utility.
>>341581839
they stripped every class down to like 5 spells
>>341581820
That's the point, any sense of variety with all of those kinds of fun flavor abilities are gone.
>>341581691
If you have like 5 damage ablilities, and another 5 CC abilities, and then another 5 defensive abilities, I just really can't see the need
some of you guys, you act like having more choices makes it better, but if they all do the same kind of shit, it's really redundant
Like healers have like 100 different heal spells. In how many ways do you really need to heal someone? Trim it down
>>341581786
It's not. It's like this:
1 Interrupt
1 Slow
1 CC
3 core abilities
2 talented abilities (or passives)
1 Damage Reduction CD
1 Heal CD
1 Damage Increase CD
>>341582074
>If you have like 5 damage ablilities, and another 5 CC abilities, and then another 5 defensive abilities,
which is not the case
so what's your point?
>>341582145
My point is you shouldn't have more than one spell that serves the same function
>>341582145
It is the case though. Most classes at the moment use a rotation of 4-5 spells and that's it.
>>341582074
>some of you guys, you act like having more choices makes it better
it does you spastic
less choices = simplified = piss easy
>>341582185
>My point is you shouldn't have more than one spell that serves the same function
you are a retard then
>>341581839
Fury's pretty much the same in terms of core abilities. And have 19 total buttons. The only real complaint is our big self heal and defensive cooldown is the same ability rather than split as it is on live.
Fury's surprisingly fun and chaotic with good gear.Motherfucking Whirlwind Axe is back, I love it.
>>341582212
>It is the case though
no it's not
you are either lying or misinformed
either way you are an idiot
>>341582074
Have you ever played WoW, anon? You need a lot of spells to "heal" properly.
High throughput / High cost / Short cast
High throughput / Med cost / Long cast
AOE / Party / Raid Heals
C/Ds for damage spikes
HoTs
Damage prevention
Debuff removal..
>>341581957
That's such an exaggeration. Looking at Fury Warrior now. Only like 3 things are removed. Some things have become talents, some are spec specific, some changes names, and a couple completely new abilities have been added. Every time I watch beta footage people have their UI bars full of as many spells/abilities they do now.
>/v/ is actually defending the removal of abilities
Well this board is done
Rotations became just buttonmashing since cata.
Nothing of value is lost.
Now tell me if they gonna introduce pristine servers or not. These would be the only reason for me to try out the expansion without dropping it after a few weeks like I did with wod
>>341582325
this isn't the first time they pruned
fury warrior didn't have that many things left anyway
and fury warrior was never that complicated to play
Why are you surprised
They probably want to get rid of majority of spells becausethey want to make a console version
>>341582313
But it could really just be broken down into four heals, and you wouldn't need anything else
>single target heal
>AoE heal
>remove debuff
>rez
You don't need 6 different spells that just "Restores X amount of Health over 12 sec"
>>341581528
Survival has more dots than an affli lock mate.
Hell i'd say it's even the most fun hunter spec
>>341582365
Removal of abilities is fine in some cases considering the ridiculous ballooning that has occured.
>>341582480
So no, you haven't played WoW.
"Single target heal" being a single spell isn't nearly sufficient to produce interesting encounters, because it has to be designed around the fact that your healers have one, unchanging basic throughput.
Rather than now, which is healers deciding when to use more expensive, higher throughput spells, and when to be economical.
Patch is at ptr? Can I just go and try it
>>341582638
>considering the ridiculous ballooning that has occured.
You're joking right? Did you play in WOTLK? That was where everyone had too many abilities. Warlords was absolutely fine. Shaman was getting a bit bloated but it was the only one
>>341582638
What's even the fucking point of a weaker heal spell? It barely recovers any noticeable amount of HP. Why even bother healing someone who has taken such a small amount of damage? They're not going to die.
You really only need to heal the ones who are close to death, and at that point they only need your strongest of heals, not your wimpy little shit of a heal spell
So what function do the others serve?
>>341582912
I did, actually.
I'm not currently playing, which is why I said in SOME cases.
>>341582975
t. absolutely godawful healer
>>341573538
Nigga Druids are the fucking best they have ever been since forever
>Best healers
>Best Ranged DPS
>Best Melee DPS
>Best tanks
>2016
>STILL caring for WoW
It stopped being good EIGHT fucking years ago.
Just let it go.
So is it just on PTR or live servers already use legion mechanics too?
>>341573538
>people still want to play wow after wod
lmao you cucks.
>>341583183
Just PTR
>>341583045
>Best Ranged DPS
Sure, if it wasn't for hunters, warlocks and mages.
>>341583194
>Everything I don't like is a cuck
>>341583261
>He doesn't know the DPS output of Moonkin is insane in Legion
Seriously, Druids are outright the best class in Legion.
>>341583272
Enjoy your 3 content patches or was it 2? cuck.
>>341582975
Your weaker heals are essentially a hot that requires you to be standing still to use. Its also your main source of healing. You need to account for when it's not there when you have to move. It requires you to think about positioning so you can get more of them off.
>>341583326
Sure, sure, into mannequins with AoE starfire.
>>341583428
You're trying to teach someone that I doubt has the capacity to understand what you're saying, anon
Any cool event going on ingame like Wotlk pre launch event or is it just testing realms for new content?
>>341583441
>OutDPSing most fights in Legion right now.
Sure buddy.
>>341583157
>stop liking things that I dont
>>341583560
I don't think he's saying they're bad from a DPS perspective, just that they're boring as hell.
>>341583385
post launch content for legion is looking pretty great, famalam
>>341583525
>cool event
>from nu-blizzard
BLIZZARD!
YOU PROMISED ME PRISTINE SERVERS
WHERE ARE THEY?
HELLO! HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
>>341583774
DELETE THIS
>>341581313
No. I'm unsubbed since january and can download.
>>341583714
you haven't even seen any of that yet retard
>>341583632
>"Stop telling me to stop eating shit"
>"You don't even know if it is shit, I mean the last 4 times you were right about it being shit and this looks like shit but that doesn't mean that it is shit"
Let it go man, I'm just trying to save you from another disappointment
>>341583774
They said they will never do that
They met those Nostalrius guys, just to explain this
>>341582784
Yes. I'm unsubbed on live and playing on it.
<3 Whirlwind Axe
>>341583898
Nah nigga, I always have fun with friends when a new expansion launches.
>>341583881
>>341583881
LEGION IS THE BEST WOW EVA FCK YOU
WOW is fucking shit now. All the ability trimming makes the game to fucking easy for shitters, and offers no way to improve.
>>341583898
You come here, you act like the game is shit, but you like it as much as everyone else. YOu could have went to another thread, but you came to talk about this game
So don't pretend that you hate it with a passion. You fucking love it. I can see right through your bullshit, kid.
Take your little pessimistic attitude and go cry to your mommy, you little bitchnigga
>>341584095
Shit eaters like you don't have opinions worth a damn though. You keep spouting feces man. What do you want him to do?
>>341583525
legion invades.
>>341583881
was all anounced at the legion summit, its nice that theyre actually addressing the problems of WoD. Pretty excited man.
>>341584095
I stopped playing shortly after WotlK was launched anon.
It was pure shit and has been shit since then
>>341573538
They have been steadily removing everything that made that game great for years now.
>>341584178
>was all anounced at the legion summit
>announced
like farahlon
even if it doesn't get scrapped, you still don't know whether it will be good or not
so fuck of shill fanboy blizzdrone
I like it, and there is nothing you can do about that you bitter nerds
>>341582975
>Why even bother healing someone who has taken such a small amount of damage? They're not going to die.
Because if you don't, you then have to save them later in a panic with your fast expensive spells, and then run out of mana because you're balanced around avoiding those whenever you can.
>>341583898
nah, only WoD was bad but it was still good for a few months. already preordered, looking forward to playing it with old friends (:
>>341584210
>spamming LFG in chat was great
>>341574195
Because everyone of their specs are like a drastically different class
YO SWIFTY LETS GO TO THE GAMING HOUSE SUBSCRIBE FOR NAGA GIVEAWAY
https://youtu.be/s52c1Ve4_7o
>>341583428
I miss down ranking spells back when you stacked +healing. I had great mana efficient heal rank 4 when I was nax geared.
>>341584275
even if things do get removed I'll still have fun for a few months :D
>>341584298
>run out of mana
This literally never happens in modern WoW
>>341584385
Yes it does.
>WoW has become literally fanfic-tier bad
>LOOK EVERYONE WE CAN FINALLY PLAY AS EPIC ILLIDAN!
>Illidan actually never died because he is so awesome!!!
>U R NOT PEPPERED !!
>>341583272
More like
>this is a paid chinese marketing thread
A painfully obvious one at that.
>>341584520
must be boring being so bitter, I doubt you even enjoy videogames anymore.
>>341578353
>finding something you dont like in your new vidya
>I mean sure I dont like it and cant find anything positive about these changes
>OH WELL, JUST GOTTA TAKE IT UP THE ASS HUH GUYS?
Blizzdrones - words cannot exress how much I hate you faggots.
Why do they keep fucking removing fluff? This game is boring as shit to play now.
>>341584657
dont worry, I love you anon-kun :3
>>341581989
But you never fucking used them..
>>341573538
How are Hunters? I heard something about them removing traps from all specs but SV, but that sounds fucking gay.
>>341584657
>legion is going to be 1 patch
>>341584987
You are still playing hunter? Why don't you play demon hunter? They are freaking epic!
>>341581820
>defending removing features
You are a shill
>Tfw destro lock.
They KILLED our spec.
Jesus christ...
I'd rather play on a WoD private server than deal with this shit, it's that bad.
Why remove the spells in the 1st place though? We're not retards
They're just over casualizing the game
Druid changes from WoD to legion (lets take Resto as an example)
Removed:
Genesis (Very niche and pretty shit)
Meditation (Pure passive mana regen, makes mana more important)
Natural Healing (Increases healing 10%.. wow)
Naturalist (5% more haste, 15% more damage)
Nature's Swiftness (Freecast any spell)
Really, you lost one spell of any use. Meanwhile, the spec gained 9 new and/or unique spells.
>a bloo bloo bloo
>>341585142
I'm not familiar, how did they kill it
>armor will no longer look like its painted on
about fucking time tbqh family
also, action camera looks neat
>>341585202
They removed moving embers and half of the skills.
Destro went from being a 100% controllable spec to an RNG shitfest.
>>341585202
Maybe they added a 4th button
>>341573538
>Pre-expansion Launch Event
Isn't that a fancy way of saying premature ejaculation?
>>341585275
Burning embers i meant.
it users shitty rng soul shards now.
>>341585127
If a feature is shit, it ought to be removed, otherwise you wind up rolling around in a big fat pile of shit
>>341584987
>Beast Mastery is the classic ranged spec with a pet.
>Survival Hunters are now melee and have an increased emphasis on traps.
>Marksmanship Hunters are now petless--many MM hunters currently took the Lone Wolf talent.
>Raid-wide buffs are removed in Legion and only healers can mass-resurrect.
google is your friend
they have pvp skill now tho and maybe some at 105? i dont know
i play a healer and it seems like most shit is just passive now
especially on priest
>>341585142
It's been shit since the start of WoD.
MoP could be pretty aids but at least Destro was fun as fuck.
Are rogues less bloated?
>>341585401
What spec do you play
>not feeling any craving for WoW
Feels pretty good senpai. At the end of every expac I always find myself wanting to come back to get ready for next expac.
After two weeks during launch of WoD, I just stopped playing and that was it.
Game is so fucking dead in so many ways.
MMO scene is so dead to me in general. PvE focused MMOs are so boring to me, so I can't get into XIV or others.
From a BM hunter perspective
Your traps are gone
Your focus fire is gone but effectively replaced with a very long CD, aspect of the wild
Your cobra shot is instant and just does damage
Dire beast has a shorter CD and is your primary focus generator
Kill command, multishot, disengage, mend pet and revive pet are mostly the same
Deterrence has virtually been renamed aspect of the turtle and has a longer CD
Camouflage has been moved over marks as a TALENT
Exhilaration is a baseline self-heal
Kill shot is gone
Arcane shot has moved to marks
Aspect of the pack is gone and cheetah is just a long CD with a faster movement speed
Master's call is gone
Eagle eagle is still there
Flare is still there
Here is the bar with everything you would ordinarily use. That's it. You can add two extra abilities through talents to it and that's all.
I'm finding other classes to be just as bad as this example.
>>341585410
MoP was the best
>>341585202
>implying i played WOD fucking cuck
>this'll never return
I know its a bit taboo to feel some nostalgia towards Wotlk but god damn if feral wasn't fun as fuck back then
>>341585380
>Raid wide buffs removed
>Many MM hunters took lone wolf
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the bigger reason they took that, not the slightly increased damage?
>>341585519
So why the fuck are you complaining
>>341585486
>Your traps are gone
Are you fucking serious?
>>341585494
It unironically had the most batshit fun PvP imo, and wPvP was cozy as fuck in Pandaria.
Fuck it was all such a disappointment in WoD, what a pile of utter shit.
>>341584813
It's nice to have the option, its like if you take down all the fucking paintings off your walls and throw all the plants away. Yeah you never fucking used them but now your house looks a lot more empty and sad.
>>341585486
That looks good to me
Hopes for the "mega dungeon" in 7.1?
I really don't see why they are removing so many abilities, what is wrong with having utility and shared spells among your class that all the specs have access to?
I honestly think Legion looks pretty good, the zones and environments are great and they are back to a patching schedule similar to MoP with 3 raids tiers.
That's why I don't get why they are pruning so many classes and things. The revamps like combat to outlaw and survival being melee are good, but a lot of their choices regarding ability pruning baffle me.
I think Shadow Priest and Enhancement Shaman are two of the best specs right now, both are fun to play and have great themes. I don't want to swap from my monk because changing mains sucks but they have done so many things to butcher WW from how it is on live with the most blatant one removing tigereye brew because it was a unique DPS CD.
>tfw Disc Priest
I'm really nervous, guys.
>>341585630
They're unique to survival now but I can't tell which ones still exist because the PTR is fucking up but it appears as though there's 3
>>341585521
fuck the haters, wotlk was the best expansion
>>341585630
Not that anon but thats a Survival spec skill now.
>>341585657
Yeah, except a clusterfuck of useless skills isn't "decoration"
>>341585741
It's just going to be like a zone with wings like Dire Maul, don't expect it to be one large dungeon, you know babbys dont have more than 20 minutes to rip through a dungeon.
>>341585770
>I really don't see why they are removing so many abilities
less work to do in order to "balance" pvp
the goal is to make possible to patch classes in less than 1 hour of work, while making all classes and roles as braindead as possible in order to attract new generations who were raised with selfies, twitter ,facebook games and lack of any kind of challenge in their life
Quickly tell me is this expansion worth playing as a lock.
>>341585521
>that feel you outdamaged someone as a feral in wotlk
It was like the hidden hardmode of the expansion
versatility is dead as a druid
>>341585679
I can tell you it's not even remotely fun to play mainly because the CDs are very long except for abilities 1-5 in that image plus disengage and concussive shot
>>341585837
No it's called class flavor.
>>341585817
Freezing, Tar, Explosive, Caltrops/Steel (Talents)
>>341585829
TBC is objectively the best expansion.
They only added new good stuff without removing anything that made Vanilla good.
>>341585579
You're wrong. Ton of faggots found "pet management" too hard.
>>341585617
cause i can u got a problem gtfo faggot ass fanboy
>>341586000
Something that hasn't been removed at all.
Unless you think being a chain heal bot was "class flavor", kek
>>341586018
wrong
>>341585973
>seamlessly weaving a battlerez or innervate into your "rotation" when needed
best feeling
also remember during ulduar when mages everywhere were complaining ferals were beating them on dps charts and blizzard being "sorry mates we can't justify nerfing a spec this difficult to play"
>>341585521
Man, I miss WotLK paladin healing. Being able to stat and spec into flash of light spambot was the best shit. If you did it right your cooldowns let you shit out so much healing, it was unreal and so much fun. Crits everywhere.
>>341586018
they added some bad things
2v2 arena, dedicated pvp stats and flying mounts are some good examples
I thought it wasn't coming out for a little bit.
>>341586098
How are HPals not a massive throughput healer now?
Its literally their role.
>>341586151
>flying mounts
Oh come on
Travel in WoW is a pain in the ass, even WITH flying mounts
>>341585973
i was top dmg for a bit in icc as feral love the rotation and the fact that most ferals couldnt get good dps and played healer
what i remeber about druid was that i had to frequently swtich forms to be good now it seems ur stuck on 1 Like wtf im suppose to be a hybrid
>>341586073
I'm not talking about just one class here, they all got hit.
>>341586209
>Flying mounts were good
kys.
Probably the worst singular thing that happened to the game.
>>341586209
helped disconnect players from the world and killed world pvp
>>341586098
i liked priest healing in wotlk spaming flash heals getting that free flash and charging up greater heal for when i needed to time it on a boss now it seems like i just wait for a big hit and heal
>>341586190
It's a subtle difference I suppose. I just enjoyed it much more back then than I do now.
>finish leveling a dk
>time played 3 days
>i leveled it by doing battlegrounds90/100 by doing treasures and bonus
>>341586229
there never were true hybrids in WoW. If there were a hybrid class should have been able to fulfill 2 roles at the same time with the same gear and same spec
this never happened
>>341586275
what is fun about running across a whole continent for 20 minutes just to get to the actual area of the game that you are trying to play?
Shit is weak, I would rather drink from the toilet
http://www.ffxiv-freetrial.com/na/
>>341586229
you would never have to switch forms in icc as feral....
>>341573538
It will be decent at best and god awful at worst. Either way a good portion of /v/ will hate it regardless while blizzdrones will praise it as the saviour of mmos
>>341586308
What have you completed on WoD?
I'm interested to see how the whole "one weapon" thing plays out. On the one hand it straight up leaves multi-specs on a deathbed, but on the other hand it's an interesting concept to have a weapon that gets better with you sort of like an heirloom but has their own talent tree.
What I still don't understand though is why they gave BM hunters a rifle but Marksman a Bow, it really should be the other way around.
>>341586387
lol suck dicks
>>341586389
obviously in pvp duimbass
>>341584813
There's no place for fun flavor in rotations.
Maybe it'll be more like BC hunter now.
Legion Hunter was way to easy
>>341585410
I raided as a destro / Aff lock during HFC.
Destro was doing fine.
This is my UI.
i cant imagine this after the change.
i will end up with only 1 and a half bar.
it's like having a gun pointed at someone you love and knowing it will shoot in a month and you will lose that person forever...
>>341586387
Tried it.
Its pure garbage.
>>341586387
Final Fantasy should only be a single-player RPG
>>341586389
true enough, I remember one time in wotlk having to switch to bear and tank a boss for 10 seconds while the healers worked their ass off keeping my sorry unoptimized pseudo-tank alive
was a memorable moment for sure but certainly not the standard
>>341586275
World pvp was long dead by then.
>>341586478
your post doesnt reference pvp at all, dumbass
It's beyond me how you idiots stuck to WoW after wrath
>>341583774
>pristine servers
>"Lets just disable things while still having a shit game to play."
No, that isn't what anyone wants. Fuck you.
OP here didnt know wow still had so many fanboy faggots kEK
fucking losers games trash and is dying last pack maybe best pack?
:V
>>341586550
So you don't play any of it, but you act like you have some kind of informed opinion?
Fuck you and your wife's son
>>341586550
cata was awful, didnt played it, MoP was fun, stopped playing WoD, returning for legion
>>341585486
Bar looks like it always did.
But why would they remove traps. These fuckers
>>341586658
Hey man he's a good kid, don't talk shit about him.
>>341586550
Wrath was the peak of skill ballooning though.
You might have been right to say "After TBC", but Wrath?
kek.
>>341586550
Cata was fun at the start. No heroic strike nerf, Tol´barad ganking and fury of angerforge and stance dance.
Now i have no idea what has happened to the game since i stopped in Cata.
>Return to wow after watching movie
>do all the content on lfr in a weekend
gg wp
oh yeah on a fresh 100 with pvp s3 gear
>>341586690
Fucking Draenor sucked complete dick, MoP was refreshing as hell with the setting at least but damn how did they fuck up WoD so bad, it's easily the worst expansion and that's saying something.
>>341586151
>>341586264
Flying mounts were good in TBC because they were only limited to the Outlands after you've reached the level cap. There was still a lot of interactivity and it was just a quicker way to get to your raids.
>>341586904
Congratulations on doing the gimped-because-you're-in-LFR content that everyone has already beaten and is grinding out, anon
You're a real champ
Not Heroic or Mythic, no no no! You did it in LFR!
>>341586389
dunno about you but when i played cata i could top the dps char while being offtank
mind you before the heroic nerfs
>>341585995
BM wasn't fun in the last exp. ether.
But they always change a lot of shit in the beta
>>341586997
Not Heroic or Mythic
for what my E-peen gtfo kid
>>341586997
congrats about feeling superior because you do the boosted-stats-because-you're-in-mythic content
>>341586997
>they have more hp and do more damage
>ITS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONTENT
sure thing shill i'll get a second job at wow
Apologise.
>>341587085
for fun.
>>341587085
Because you're complaining about difficulty while boasting that you completed a raid in the "I'm literally fucking asleep" difficulty mode.
>tfw WoW is now only good for porn
>>341587138
it really is.
>>341587138
Yeah, except thats not how it works at all, champ.
Thanks for proving you don't actually play the game.
>>341587138
You do know some raids/dungeons have more bosses/new mechanics on heroic right? But you probably haven't even played WoW so you probably wouldn't.
>>341583525
The legion is going to be INVADING THE FUCK out of the vanilla zones, just like the Scourge invasion portals!In instanced scenarios.
>>341587156
not everyone have fun dying because someone else its watching porn while doing his rotation
>>341587183
>Jerks off to the furry races
>>341587323
So don't do them with a shitty guild?
Are you complaining that its too difficult or too easy? Make up your mind.
Friendly reminder that Ironforge is literally the best capital in the game
>>341584994
technically wod was one patch, selfie cams were never justification for a content patch
can't wait to see how legion one ups it
>>341587423
What the fuck is this
Who the fuck even says something like that
>>341587238
i stop when i'm done with heroic since you can't pug mythic
>new
sure , after the nerfs if you consider the adds at archimonde "new"
>oh on this boss theres new skills called "ultimate death destruction"
>you must heal through it!
so..nothing new you autism
Cata had the best number of abilities
>>341587492
>Can kill bosses in LFR before they even complete a full cycle
>The same as Heroic/Mythic
10/10 post
>>341587009
cata also had vengeance, tanks just did dumb damage in general and I am pretty sure at the beginning feral tanks didnt lose vengeance AP when going to cat form, either way feral tank and feral dps used effectively the exact same gear and spec in cata with a few minor differences, but you shouldnt be topping dps unless your guild was retarded
>>341587473
right? no one needs to state it, its a fact that everyone knows
>>341586997
The reality is most people simply don't give a fuck about higher difficulties, be it in WoW or any other game. LFR effectively killed the game for most casual players since they simply do not see the point of playing any more once ''they've killed the last boss''.
>Muh ablities
>i need 65 different ways of dealing damage
>>341587183
anyone gonna dump or what?
>>341587773
Which is understandable on some level.
The people that don't give a fuck certainly wouldn't have taken on Onyxia anyway.
Holy shit I'm actually having fun.
Scrub playing the beta right now.
What I like:
World quests are interesting
Being able to blink during casts
The Arcway is alright
Haven't done any mythic+ but I'd probably like that
What I hate:
-Surumar
-Leveling is the worst its been since wrath
-Talent trees are shit and keeping the old respec system is moronic
-Hardly any interesting places in the world like jumping arenas to find cool loot/treasures
Artifacts lock you into your chosen spec way too much and trying to deviate costs you useful traits you could've used on your main spec artifact
-Haven't really played around with many specs but I don't like the direction arcane and frost are taking and a lot of other specs have turned into a resource gen and spend
-Legendaries are gaymainly because I haven't found one yet but this will be a huge problem for guilds wanting to push and your spot in a raid will be forfeit if you don't have your bis legendary
Burn these blizzbots with fire
Fucking betas
seriously why is there so many of them on 4chan
>>341587183
anyone gonna dump?
>>341573538
i thought WoW had severe skill bloat?
>>341587473
fucking manlets, when will they learn
>>341587787
variety is the spice of life is how the saying goes right?
>>341587946
I'm gonna take a dump in your mouth
>>341583385
In this picture was the REAL LIVE jesus vanilla?
Because vanilla was the best.
>>341586431
I like the fact that artefacts meant they can give specs unique animations, like the new Brewmaster stance and fighting animations.
It'll be really cool if they expand on it.
>>341587995
>hmm, should I use the spell with the blue sparkly particles or the spell with the red sparkly particles?
>>341587995
Not if you want actually difficult encounters.
>>341588032
>REAL LIVE jesus
>>341587995
>Variety is the spice of life
Yes and back in Vanilla niggerlocks just spammed Shadow Bolts because HURRDURR 10K CRIT DMG
>>341586048
When I leveled my hunter, I didn't want a pet because I didn't want one. I just wanted to be a sniper.
I'm sure there are others that felt the same way.also the talent was too good not to choose if you were marksman
>>341583157
this, I'm going back to FFXI where gameplay and depth still exists
with MMOs dying, its time to return to the past
Is BDK unfucked yet?
>>341588224
MMO's aren't dying
They just aren't "massive" any more. They're just MORPG's
>>341573538
Op here and you faggots got trolled i don't play that gay shit
>>341588150
>>341588128
>>341587995
Had plenty of difficult encounters when the abilities werent trimmed, heroic t11 has some of the best fights and thats probably at the point where people had the most abilities that they actually commonly used, it gave enough variety that you werent doing the exact same rotation over and over and you had enough abilities to adapt to the situation as well as being flavourful/fun to use.
>>341588213
warlocks have always been 'special'
>>341585952
Locks are fun as fuck in Legion beta atm
>>341588224
Nigga please.
FFXI's Warriors have ONE abilitiy that has a cooldown of less than THREE MINUTES
>>341588362
Op here, I don't know this guy
So are Demon Hunters as boring to play as everyone said or were they overhauled?
>>341588523
they have like, 5 abilties they use
>>341588314
No, anon. They're massive. They're just not RPG's anymore. They're multiplayer action games.
>>341588406
they are also actually warriors who can use and excel with every weapon in the game instead of just lol 2h swords or axes like in wow
>>341586916
From the time perspective MoP was an all right expansion, much better than cata wod legion
>>341587930
On that last one, Legendaries actually aren't being allowed in Raids for a week or two to allow Heroic/Mythic Raid races to be more fair. Furthermore, you can only equip one starting out, legend stacking will probably only be big after a patch or two.
>>341587930
except that legendaries will be disabled for mythic raiding, the only type of raid content that counts
>>341588760
Yeah? and?
Does the particular model of weapon I'm swinging change jack shit?
>>341588641
>muh Nostradamus
>>341588834
nah not in your WoW mindset, it actually does matter for some content though like getting procs in dynamis farming your relic which requires every weapon and warriors are the only ones that can do it with any modicum of efficiency solo
>This thread
>>341589054
Nice meme.
>>341589012
So yeah, nothing that actually adds to the skill of the game.
Just another mongolian grinding and obfustication simulator.
Even in vanilla you didnt use every spell you had
I mean hell in BC warlocks literally just shadowbolted and that was it
>>341588590
so like all other classes, the issue is whether the class is fucking fun to play
>>341588834
you are cherry picking among the easiest and most simple classes in that game to make your point, why don't you bring up monk too?
Even if you remove those 2 classes it still has 28-29 more that do have actual depth, try playing dancer at a high level or blue mage, I bet you wouldn't even make the cut for most endgame groups because you wouldn't know wtf you are doing
can i play new class on PTR if i own legion?
>>341573538
Only class I felt had "too" much shit was Monks
seriously how the fuck does anyone play Monks without going crazy? you've gotta be playing DDR with your keyboard.
That being said, what was needed was new races, I think.
Cause let's be honest the best part of Warcraft are the races
GIVE ME OGRE MAGES NOW REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>341589269
Yes
there is too many abilities, even in Warloads of Dranor
FLUFFY
>>341589435
monks are easy, fuck dks tho
>>341589287
>Blue Mage
Oh thats better.
One instant cast and 4 other skills that don't take minutes (or hours) to CD.
Amazing stuff, it really is a marvel you can keep up with that many things going on at once.
Kek.
>>341589286
i cant comment on that sorry, no clue
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