>new God of war is a narrative driven cinematic experience
>No DMC 5 announced at E3
>Ni-Oh is just another Souls copy
>Only thing remotely similar is Nier
>Everything else is slow boring Souls combat
Face it. Action games are going the way of the Arena shooter. I guess it's just too much to handle for todays gamer, just like arena shooters were too much for people back then.
>>341566160
Guess genres need a rest from time to time so they than come up with new ideas over time, just wait a bit and the PS2 era action games shall rise again
>>341567385
>new ideas
Haven't seen a single new idea in a decade now, I think
All the "new" genres are just old/dead types of games that publishers claimed didn't work.
GIVE ME A NEW .HACK!
Is there even a /cgg/ anymore?
>>341567843
People moved to steam/discord/skype because of shitposting.
If a new DMC ever gets announced it'll probably come back to /vg/, right now there's not much to talk about anyway.
>>341566160
>Everything else is slow boring Souls combat
Nier
nice try shitposter
Enough with comparing every 3rd person action game to Dark Souls. I see this shit everywhere.
>>341568813
what?
>>341569770
> Game is the hip new thing
> all developers copy it
Nothing new anon
>>341569892
Spotted the /v/edditor. Muh souls didn't create most of the trends we're seeing
How the FUCK do you go from this...
>>341569959
How about you keep the silly meme words to a minimum and say something meaningfull. Are you denying souls has a big part in defining the look of todays action games? Its definitely the biggest out there. Where did those trends come from and why did they get so big if it wasn't for the huge succes of the Souls series?
to this?
>>341570278
>Dante plays God of War.webm
>>341570346
I am denying that, yes.
>>341570360
so the same
>>341570278
>>341570360
A huge upgrade. Button mashing Dynasty Warriors shit is always garbage.
>>341566160
wow that image is a bit too gruesome, thank god they are going for a more realistic narrative. Hopefully they keep this filth away from the series.
>>341570509
>>341570434
Fuck off, Neogaf
>>341570421
Okay. Guess thats that, anon denies it. I was wrong all along.
>>341570509
Except it didn't play anything like Dynasty Warriors.
>>341570581
are you upset
>>341570278
Thanks for letting me know to stay away from these garbage action games. It's just autists who get off from putting way too much time into single player games
>>341570278
>square square square
>>341570360
You see The Last of Us making a shitload of money and think you should do what it did
>>341570798
Instead of
>press R1 to autoplay game
Modern videogames are for people who hate videogames
Just look at this thread or most of /v/
"Arcadey" and "actiony" are unironically used as criticism
>>341570671
are you defending cinematic experiences?
>>341570832
Sony already has Naughty Dog and Quantic Dream, I don't think they're in desperate need of more moviegames.
>>341570360
Holy shit why do they spend so much time covering the story and the wife's son but totally ignore the combat. Like holy shit that's 3/4 the game right there
>>341566160
If you played the alpha you would know Nioh is a far cry from Souls asides from a few very basic mechanics
>>341571334
When talking about DMC it's definitely A LOT more like a Souls game than a DMC style action game. And thats what we're talking about.
>>341570798
I think there's a couple triangles mixed in there
>>341571334
this
I didnt think id say it when the initial trailers came out but NiOh is goty
too bad its bogged down by the shitty and restrictive feudal aesthetic, not to mention it seems to have very mediocre artists working on it ( just look at all the yokai)
souls series easily beats it in presentation/ setting, especially demon's and bloodborne
>>341571334
The Nioh alpha was good and had some original ideas but there was also some pretty heavy-handed Souls ripoff shit in there, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
There's not-bonfires that repop enemies, you upgrade with not-souls at the not-bonfire, you leave your not-souls at your not-bloodstain when you die...that's one of the most basic gameplay loops and it's obviously copied from Souls verbatim even if Souls cribbed the idea from much earlier WRPGs.
>>341571523
There's nothing wrong with the aesthetics. The main problem in the demo was the fucking pinatas of shitty RNG loot
>>341571523
Gameplay is slow and clumsy. Loot system is annoying. Getting knocked down over the slightest hit and then getting axed while down is idiotic. Graphics are shit (DF said action mode runs at 600p). Camera system is ass. Stamina meter is fucking stupid. Leveling up stats has no place in a TN game. Mechanics are poorly (or rather not even at all) explained.
Game was an extremely mediocre disappointment. Tried way too hard to ride the Souls wave of success rather than doing its own thing.
Here's all the things Nioh ripped directly from Souls:
>different rolls and speeds at weight thresholds
>picking up your "souls" off your bloodstain where you died previously
>other player bloodstains
>stamina bar
>gestures
>shortcuts
>weapon and gear system just like Souls
>level up system just like Souls
>weapon degradation (which has no place in a game like this)
>bonfi- I mean "shrines"
>estus fla- I mean elixers that refill at the "shrines"
>the tagline "Ready to die?"
I know Souls didn't "invent" (most) of these things, but it really is embarrassing and a bit sad that the pioneers of the 3D action genre have to ride the wave of another franchise's success and copy many of its key mechanics rather than doing its own thing.
>>341571680
This.
>>341571647
They said they're toning down the loot rate. I get why it's there, it's so the revenant system (Which is really fucking cool and way more interesting than the bloodstain system; they just need to clamp down that AI so they don't fall for mid-stance pokes EVERY time) is worthwhile and everyone's a bit different, but the rates needed to be adjusted.
>>341571680
I agree with a couple points but other random asspulls like
>Stamina meter is fucking stupid.
>Leveling up stats has no place in a TN game
Make me think you just want a different type of action game from it.
>the pioneers of the 3d action genre
NG wasn't even the first good ninja action game of its generation, let alone "the" pioneer of the action genre.
>>341570360
This looks terribly boring
>>341566160
Souls games wish they have a combat system even remotely close to ni-oh
>>341571995
Ninja Gaiden 2 is the best action game of all time as well as the first great action game that has a focus on planning, speed, timing, reactions, and movement over juggling braindead enemies and dull combo recitals (DMC)
>>341571995
It's pasta, but some people here are genuinely shitty that the second incarnation of Nioh got canned after being deemed too similar to Ninja Gaiden. There's still a bit of that residual influence there, though.
http://youtu.be/5Q0_D0nykqk
as much as i like the last of us this was the worst thing that could happen to god of war. They had ONE job. Make the SAME kind of game with god tier graphics and norse mythology.
They changed the lock on system of nioh to be more akin to souls
>>341572143
nioh had interesting ideas that will make it worth playing, but you're kidding yourself if you think the alpha was polished or supremely deep
my second playthrough consisted of letting enemies whiff simple attacks until they ran out of stamina and had to bend over and catch their breath
>>341572143
The hell are you talking about? The entire point of Souls combat is to keep things (at least usually) slow and sluggish, so as to give everything a feeling of weight and impact. Even the standard dagger feels just right.
Ni-Oh is nothing like that, featuring giant vaulting attacks and more ridiculous things.
>>341572346
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lPmNy8331OQ
Forgot video
>>341566160
I'm actually kind of excited that the game is gonna be focusing on Kratos' actual character again rather than "What stupid justification can we give Kratos to violently murder any god he sees and somehow not make him the bad guy in the end?"
>>341567652
I think we just reached point where almost every possible genre already exists.
>>341570278
>>341570360
the new god of war has to be only it in name
like the developers must have wanted to make a father and son story fighting monsters in the wilderness
but higher ups wanted to use the God of War brand
i couldn't think any other reason for such a big change
>yfw we get to the point of another GoW reboot about Egyptian gods its a racing series
>>341572467
You sound like a boring person. Sometimes video games don't have to be """""Deep character stories""""
>>341572491
>Egyptian God of War
>it's a furshit dating sim
i'd play it
Why can't we just get an Age of Mythology Game except as an RPG
>>341566160
The new Zelda looks great though, i just hope it's not so damn easy this time.
>>341572467
I like good stories in games. but sometimes games are better off with having a shitty excuse so we can slaughter enemy hordes. God of war was such an example. It did not need change.
>>341572491
>>341572467
>>341572132
I read an interview which actually gave me some hope. Apparently you can throw and recall your axe at all times, so for example you could use some weapon, hit a couple of times, throw axe, hit a couple more times, jump, recall axe and finish of with air axe attack or something like that.you can also leave your axe at the start of the game and recall it 2 hours later
>>341570278
>>341570360
A positive in the new ones favor is that the gore is more in your face and feels heavy. Kinda reminds me of a slow Dragons Dogma with the weight.
Plus the basic mechanics are the same from what can be seen during that I guess was mini boss with the troll. With light and heavy attacks with a spell and contextual buttons.
But from what I'm seeing there are three things the new one is doing from a gameplay perspective that I hate.
First is that Kratos has almost no mobility other than a really overcompensating dodge roll. Hell I don't even think you can jump anymore from what we were shown.
Second, is the fact from what people have said it is going to be an open world title not like skyrim but more like Fable or something with large explorable zones and stuff. I just think that'll make the game seem repetitive really fast.
Last is oddly enough the voice actor, he doesn't sound as menacing as the original VA and kinda sounds neutered, especially during the Spartan Rage bit.
>>341572528
I'm not asking for a """""""Deep story"""""""" Just one where I can fucking relate to Kratos and not fucking hate him, ya know, like you could in GoW 1 and maybe Chains of Olympus.
>>341572609
Multiple factions with their own gods?
God of War 3 was supposed to be like that by the all the info they stuffed at the end of the game of GoW2.
But the director wasn't hired for GoW 3(Still, he did a good job but the GoW2's director was more ambitious)
God of War series was all about masculinity
The new God of War is what women think masculinity is
>>341572761
Can you even jump in the game anymore? It didn't look like it.
>>341572653
see
>>341572881
Yeah a good story really hurt GoW1, right?
>>341572761
>>341572957
>The axe is not only helpful in combat, but also in exploration, like collecting objects and items: for example there is a distant object that you can't reach or you need to walk for some time to get it, just throw your axe on it and call it back, it will retrieve the object with it.
>The axe has really amazing complex combos connecting the throwing and the recovering of it: You hit an enemy with the axe or other weapon, you throw your axe on the enemy (you can probably continue punching him or beating him with another weapon) then you jump, and instantly call your axe midair and beat him or finish him from the airs.
found it
>>341572623
He means "Character-Action"
>>341566160
Ni-Oh shits on Rehash Souls in every single aspect, pleb.
>>341572964
implying gow1 had a good story. Come on man.
>>341572881
Why do you have to relate to the protagonist? what the fuck is this a millenial thing?
>>341572964
GoW1 would have been so much better with a close camera, slow walking speed, replacing the Hydra with a fat guy in armor, and Kratos having a heartfelt conversation with the women in the captain's cabin about the dangers of consumerism
>>341573054
Can you actually have a source there? I do believe you but I also love reading dev interviews.
>>341572467
That's stupid. The previous games had plenty of moments where the fractured bits of Kratos' humanity resurfaced and he showed genuine empathy, and they didn't have to sacrifice the absurd ultraviolence to do it.
The thing is that Kratos IS a bad guy. A bunch of the other gods just happen to be even shittier than him. It's "Pitch Black vs. really Dark Gray" morality.
>>341573104
>pleb
oh no
If I was an optimistic person I'd think that this is just the first part of the game which they included to cash in on the niche that The Last of Us created. After that, Kratos (or the kid, but that's doubtful) dies and we go back to the old style of gameplay.
But I'm a realist, and it's obvious that they'll stick with that dilluted gameplay style for the sake of appearing more cinematic and tight when it comes to the story.
All of the style, brutality and gameplay are out the window, and in some way I get that they maybe wanted to make something that brings in more cash after the last three games consisted of interquels, portable games and prequels.
I get why they're doing it, but still, fuck you. Fuck your stupid tendency to cater to the lowest common denominator.
>>341573209
I do but it's in french
http://www.jeuxactu.com/god-of-war-on-a-revu-papy-kratos-et-on-a-de-nouveaux-details-104578.htm
>>341573262
this
>>341573216
Only in the GoW's after 1.
>>341573262
They confirmed that your kid will be there throughout the entire game. Even has a dedicated button
>>341573206
Nice hyperbole, too bad it's all you trogs can muster up as a counter-argument.
>Platinum games just put the Bayonetta mechanics in everything these days
>Kamiya wants to do other genres, which is fine, but just know we prolly won't see a hack n slash from him in a while
>Oatmeal Cookie works for a mobile company now after Devils Third
>Team Ninja now rips off Dark Souls and a bit of Onimusha
>God of War is now an over the shoulder press X to boy game
>every western action game just copies the bamham combat
You know, honestly, I'm not sure I even want a new DMC. Capcom would ruin it somehow. I know they are better than they were a few years ago but I still wouldn't put it past them.
>>341573412
There you have it. At least they have the decency to not call this game "God of War 4".
>>341573262
>Fuck your stupid tendency to cater to the lowest common denominator.
GoW's QTE-laiden three button combo spamfest wasn't already lowest common denominator?
>>341573535
>I know they are better than they were a few years ago
Let me remind you that Resident Evil 7 is basically an Outlast clone.
>>341573437
We have a 15 minute trailer showing the game is shit, while you have nothing, but assumptions that it might not be so bad
>>341573323
No, Kratos was absolutely an unapologetic scumbag in 1 too. His interaction with the boat captain in the Hydra fight establishes his character right off the bat.
>>341573412
> QTE for getting your son to fetch you mead after a long day of pillaging and teaching your son how to fuck with a Norn.
>>341573091
What the fuck is that?
>>341573617
Yeah in the beginning of the game, you catually fucking pity the bastard by the end tho.
>>341573595
Not anymore. That's niche now.
Fancy that, huh. Casuals got even more casual.
At this rate games as we know them will die this decade and be replaced by visual novels with QTE's in VR.
>>341573595
Of course it wasn't. I know retards like you have the tendency to use something like "QTE" and instantly expect it to come with a negative connotation, but GoW did QTE's properly.
As in, you had to beat the fuck out of someone first, using actual game mechanics, to finally be able to finish them off with a quick time event. Nothing wrong with that.
>three button combo spamfest
Kek.
>>341573606
>showing the game is shit
That's entirely your opinion tho.
>>341570278
How does anyone think this is fun?
It's just button mashing and pretty lights.
Atleast >>341570360 looks like it requires some timing and dodging.
You could argue that it's derivative but the old God of War games were even more so.
>>341573714
The fact that Kratos is pitiable doesn't make him any less of a monster.
>>341570360
>"Leave me and my wife's son alone!"
What did he mean by this?
>>341573816
>someone will take this bait
>>341573595
>QTE-laiden three button combo spamfest
Like Bayonetta?
>>341573883
If you say so, anon. I've never actually played Bayo.
>>341570360
Wow, it's like I'm really watching Ryse.
HOLD DEVIL'S POT OF TEA
>>341566160
>face it i have a bad opinion
Ironically Bloodborne could get pretty cuhrazy during a few of the boss fights.
>>341574384
That brings back memories man.
>>341574527
SANTA'S
WILLIS
>>341574527
>>341574808
>>341574384
GoW OST was so good with all the greek shit, hope that they dont ruin it.
>>341573754
>>341573883
I'm surprised (but then again not really) by how people have been parroting the same shit for almost 10 years now.
Anyone who still says God of War is a button masher and that you only use two buttons clearly only played it in normal, or doesn't have any imagination when it comes to using combos, but that is hardly the game's fault.
I want to reserve judgment on the game until I see more of the actual combat and less obivoiusly scripted sections.
I know things will never get as crazy as the old series but it could still be fun. A story about Kratos trying to not turn his kid into a raging crazy person like him could be kind of cool too.
I get the skepticism, but the idea that it's merely narrative-driven seems pretty wrong or at least premature. Barlog has said the key part of this game is exploration. What we saw was obviously the beginning of the game meant to introduce us to the characters. Nothing more.
Game might be shit, but chill the fuck out.
>>341566160
>>341566160
>>new God of war is a narrative driven cinematic experience
so just like old God of War?
>>341576863
>Barlog has said the key part of this game is exploration.
Blegh
BOOM BOOM CHA TSS BOOM BOOM CHA TSSS
What's David Jaffe think of this? I'd be kinda annoyed if my incredibly stupid and violent dumb fun serie was turned into that.
>>341566160
I Don't think that TLOU's success is the only sole reason for this current trend. It seems to have something to do with the writers and directors of the game, for the case of GoW if you watch the recent interviews with the director of the game he talks about how his life has changed and he got married so some swedish woman and has a kid ans stupid shit like that, so they feel the need to insert their fucking life stories into their games, it's like that excited first time father that has a kid and wants to show EVERYONE at the bar pictures of their little toddler.
I bet most of these devs are going through this phase of their lives and growing older, so they change the types of games they make and everyone is forced to suffer and wade thought these slow games.
