Anyone else think it would of made more sense to remaster Morrowind or Oblivion?
Because that would take extra work. Whereas this "remaster" is basicly applying mods to the existing game.
>>341564538
>Whereas this "remaster" is basicly rereleasing the PC version on newest consoles
ftfy
Normies love Skyrim and don't know what Morrowind or Oblivion even are.
>>341563743
>oblivion released during my formative years: the post
>>341564905
Daggerfall was my first TES game
What an unpopular opinion! :^)
WHEN'S SKYWIND
>>341565046
Not trying to be contrarian senpai
Skyrim mods are shit compared to Oblivion and Morrowind though.
That's a nice tier list.
>>341563743
How could they even remaster Morrowind?
If they couldn't have throwing weapons or spears in Skyrim, how could they remake Morrowind on their current engine?
>>341563743
>gameplay
>oblivion
Top bait.
>>341566078
They did have spears in skyrim though. They showed a video where they gave some employees a week to develop a mod or something and spears were one of them. It just never got implemented
>>341563743
>Morrowind has better gameplay then Skyrim
What is this shit
>>341566328
Stealth and Bow are overpowered
Melee and Magic are underpowered and extremely monotonous
>>341566567
Still better then MISSMISSMISSMISS
>>341566328
Skyrim is a colossal drag for mages.
>>341567071
sounds like you just don't understand how to play it
SSOSM?M
SMSOO?S
OOMMS?O
oblivion's story was terrible
morrowind's quests are hard to gauge, i'm going by "quest mechanics", which had morrowind be 20% of the game being horrible walk speed escort missions (however if saying quests as in like, dungeons and travel, then reverse the order)
music category is weird because of track recycling, morrowind didn't have nearly enough music, oblivion's music wasn't an improvement in morrowind outside of quantity, skyrim's music felt iconic and plentiful
i don't like judging things by mods
>>341567358
>the one retard who's jabbing with a staff and slashing with a dagger
>MISSMISSMISS
>FUCK THIS GEIMU
>>341567603
whoops, meant
M
S
O
for first column
>>341567603
>skyrims music felt iconic and powerful
>tons of it copied straight out of morrowind
>>341567792
yeah the music category is weird
basically whoever has the most would be the winner to me, since the tracks are painfully short and endlessly recycled
but skyrim also included the music jingles for discovering areas, levelling up, defeating enemies, which made the moments feel more defined
if the question was only "which game added the best music", then morrowind, since those are the only tracks i can remember
but that's mostly because 2000 hours of 40 minutes of music kind of burns into your ears forever
>>341567616
The gameplay is shit, why can't you fucking idiots just accept it as a downside on an otherwise really fucking good game
>>341568008
Personally the "jingles" in skyrim got really old really fast for me. It ruined the immersion hearing HUAH HA HUUH plus the horn section so goddamn often.
>>341568329
>it's SHIT because i'm to dumb too get it to work
>>341563743
Am I the only one that realizes they are "remastering" Skyrim and not the other games because they just have to bump the resolution a bit, use slightly higher quality textures that they already have, change the LoD/draw-distance settings that are already built into the engine and maybe add one or two screen-space filters and they're done? Maybe steal some shit from some modders, and include the DLCs they've already made.
It's literally one day's worth of work for a single unpaid intern to "remaster" Skyrim and they can sell if for 60$, that's why.
>>341568837
First post already covered this
>>341568329
Look, dude, people have different opinions. Saying something like "fucking accept it! my opinion is right!" will only bring bring ridicule.
My first TES was also Daggerfall and I like Morrowind's combat the best, even when not doing a mage play through. I've played a lot of pen and paper so the miss chance doesn't feel out of place to me. It's about as realistic as you can get as far as combat effectiveness progression-wise. Otherwise you're left with devs stacking tons of health on enemies to create the illusion of increasing difficulty.
You actually feel powerful some ways into the game if you stick with and build on your character's strengths, rather than just getting 20% more damage or whatever.
>>341568636
Morrowind is one of my favorite games, and it's just not good gameplay. It's garbage
>>341563743
Imagine they remastered morrowind using the skyrim engine. That shitty fan project would commit mass suicide.
>>341568636
Anyone that defends Morrowinds combat is wearing some pretty heavy nostalgia goggles.
I don't mind my stats affecting how good I am in combat, I think it would add a lot to the games depth. Honestly I think if they added a separate animation for missing I would be fine with it, at least then I don't feel like I'm swinging at air like a retard when I'm attacking someone
>>341569257
>Morrowind is one animation away from being good
Yeah.
Ok.
You're retarded.
>>341569218
They'd never do it because they realize how much more shit there is in Morrowind, and they won't code those systems into Skyrims engine. Might as well work on TES6 at that point. Magic in the land of Morrowind with a Skyrim paint job would suck.
>>341563743
How much of a faggot do you have to be to only include III-V?
It's like those retarded people who only rank Final Fantasy VII and beyond. Or those fuckers who think Fallout started with III.
Oh wait I forgot Morrowind was consoleplayers first shitty RPG who became more popular than game such as Gothic because of graphics and dumbing down and taking away features from Daggerfall.
>>341569374
I'm trying to be reasonable since you retards defend the combat to your grave despite the fact it's garbage.
>>341563743
>skyrim last on DLC
>dragonborn not being comfy as fuck
>skyrim last on music
The music's just as good as the other ones.
>oblivion top on gameplay
>not daggerfall
I have these complaints.
>>341569473
Didn't include Arena and Daggerfall because they're too different from the other three to really compare
>>341569486
You haven't put forward any reasons it's shit other than saying "MISSMISSMISSMISS"
>>341569604
How so? Especial since Morrowind is essential a dumbed down Daggerfall made into a walking simulator to hide how tiny the island is.
>>341569132
You know there are ways aside from just giving enemies health that aren't fucking retarded like "oh you thought you hit them but you actually didn't lol".
The system is fucking garbage and doesn't belong in video games where you can choose exactly where you want to hit an enemy.
>>341566328
>gameplay means animations
Oh boy.
>>341569461
I know, but I would've paid top pesos to see some salty tears.
So bets on if they fix stuff like that one mod where all he did was refit the texture or whatever on the wood and it looks 100 times better?
>>341570656
they really fucked up that bad?
>>341570656
>>341571183
Perhaps it was planned all along?
Could Bethesda be such masterminds that they release a game with all the graphical settings toned way down, and then years later sell the same game but with the settings where they should have been?
>>341570656
fug you got a link?
>wood texture fix
etc isnt turning up much besides complete overhauls
>>341571183
Just check out the rest of these screens
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/8655/?
>>341571380
nvm is it this one? http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/8655/?
>>341563743
ru fucking retarded m8?
>>341571264
UV mapping is not a graphical setting. It's telling the engine how a texture is applied to a meshe. That means that regardless of how shit it looks, it will always have the same performance hit.
>>341568329
>>341569257
>>341569486
>gameplay = combat
There's more to gameplay than combat you underage fucks. Spell crafting, level design, character building, etc are all better in Morrowind. Combat is the only aspect of gameplay that Skyrim is better at and even then, not by much.
And Morrowind's combat isn't bad because you're a retard and can't hit anything, it's bad because it's just mashing M1 over and over and occasionally chugging a potion.
>>341571852
You're retarded
>>341571852
>it's bad because it's just mashing M1 over and over and occasionally chugging a potion
that's literally skyrim you just described
>>341563743
Oblivion has easily the worst gameplay because of level scaling which completely ruined exploration and progression. And the quests weren't particularly well designed either, because they heavily railroaded the player.
>>341572245
Are you telling me you don't like being accosted by bandits with daedric armor and weapons?
>>341563743
Gameplay and leveling is superior in morrowind though
As in oblivion was literally broken
>>341572423
>Morrowind wasn't broken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whz-LQlbI-U
Pretty easy to achieve this kind of thing, too. Or just about anything else when you can recursively add to intelligence using potions then make more powerful ones, then enchant to make it permanent.
>>341569767
How about no
Quest design is almost non existent in Dagerfall
It was primarily dungeoning simulator with a rich overlworld
>>341563743
>Morrowind and Oblivion have better gameplay than Skyrim
Stopped reading there, too obvious.
>>341572546
That is being broken from system being open
This exists in every TES
I mean oblivion's leveling system and level scaling was literally shit, only thing Skyrim barely fixed
>>341572682
>Melee is spamming M1
>Magic is holding M1
>Stealth and Bow can easily one shot everything
>>341572682
Gameplay doesn't equate combat
Crafting, magic system, leveling etc. Are part of it
Morrowind is best by far
>>341569473
>>341569767
>it's a gothicfag pretends to have played daggerfall to shit on morrowind episode
You people are the most pathetic posters on /v/. Morrowind and Daggerfall are very different games. It was nice buying a boat, climbing buildings, and having a fuckhuge world in Daggerall, but Morrowind made a lot of changes for the better. Much more detail in the world. It doesn't seem that impressive now, but things like every book on a bookshelf being an actual object that could be picked up and read or every NPC having their own inventory and equipment were unheard of in 3D RPGs. The exploration was far more rewarding, stumbling on a dungeon, finding powerful weapons and armor, or even a nice story. One thing I will never forget from Morrowind was reading Chance's Folly. You can find the locations mentioned in the book and discover that it wasn't just a story with no prompting from the game, just through your own curiosity and exploration. While exploration in Daggerfall was fast traveling to a bunch of crypts until you found a good one and then clearing it over and over till the random leveled-loot gave you something nice.
>>341572546
That is not broken. There is no imperative to use alchemy like that. The game can be perfectly beaten without, and having to opportunity to experiment creatively with what the system provides actually enriches the experience.
Oblivion on the other hand IS broken because the level scaling literally ruins the game.
>>341571965
>>341572162
That's why I said Skyrim wasn't much better but at least Skyrim has blocking, light and strong attacks, and dual wielding. So it still edges out Morrowind in combat.
>>341572889
Do Gothic fags hate morrowind because it made TES staple of open world RPGs whole Gothic just died out?
>>341573014
>blocking
useless, smashing away is more effective
>light and strong attacks
no reason to use strong attacks since spamming light attacks is more effective
>dual wielding
there's no reason to swing the left hand
>>341563743
Its not a remaster you autists, they never used that word, its just a port to newer consoles
also the pic has got to be bait, Oblivion has by far the worst gameplay with garbage combat, terrible level scaling, and a disgusting dialogue mini game. Its hot fucking garbage. Also ranking it 1st for DLC when it had fucking horse armor pack is disgusting. Music is wrong too, its literally the same guy working on music in all titles, its more or less the same quality in all of them
>>341566247
Cause spears were not at all iconic weapons for nordic people or anything.
Certainly not the primary deities' of the germanic tribes.
Oh what's the "ger" in germanic mean again? Spear? Oh.
>>341573014
Wrong
Morrowind had diffrnt combat from all standpoints
It was mor stat basd and, for xampl slash, cut, chop actually had diffrnt stats for diffrnt wapons and diffrnt ffcts on diffrnt armor
blocking was actually basd on a stat just lik magic succsss tc.
Morrowind dos what it tris to do far bttr than Skyrim dos
and fuck my keyboard is brokn
>>341572982
Saying a game can be beaten without using its many broken features doesn't make those features not broken.
Oblivion isn't "broken" in the sense that you can become an immortal god with near infinite stats, it just gives bandits glass weapons. Its shitty, but it doesn't make the game "broken".
>>341563743
Yeah Skyrim has the most mods
But they are only just starting to actually be good
>>341573101
I guess so. They always try to ruin Morrowind threads with gothic-shitposting and are incapable of seeing how both games have their strengths.
>>341573169
with mods skyrim combat is at least somewhat involved and tolerable, while no amount of mods makes morrowind or oblivion combat at least decent
>>341563743
>would of
>>341573182
This, it's litrally calld Skyrim Spcial dition
It's r-rlas for PC and nw consols
Popl that had Skyrim will gt it as a fucking updat anyway
Thr is litrally no rason to b mad about this
>>341566247
>>341573208
Spars ar not stapl of Nordic cultur in lldr scrolls though,nvr wr
Considr th fact that Nordic cultur spcially it's totmic animal worship and such ar a lot closr to Cltic tribes, Slavs, vn fucking Mongols to som dgr
That's not an argumnt for Skyrim not having spars, th argumnt is that it's fucking shit to hav lss wapons typs, no nd to rationaliz it with lor whn you don't know it.
>>341573234
>Saying a game can be beaten without using its many broken features doesn't make those features not broken.
Yes, that makes a game not broken, because you have to make a deliberate effort to exploit it. If you play the game normally, you won't break the game.
>Oblivion isn't "broken" in the sense that you can become an immortal god with near infinite stats, it just gives bandits glass weapons. Its shitty, but it doesn't make the game "broken".
It doesn't just give bandits glass weapons. It also means that you will never encounter enemies that are above your level and you will never find any item that isn't around your level. It also means that you will never encounter the satisfying moment where you've become strong enough to easily overcome foes that gave you trouble in the beginning, or taking down foes above your level and get something good in return. It means that you can become arena champion at level 2. It means that your damage will always be roughly the same and you'll never feel like you've become truly powerful. It means that there's never excitement in exploration since you know that you'll be able to beat anything that comes before you and you know that it's essentially pointless because you'll never find anything great. The bandits with glass weapons - which don't make sense from a storytelling point of view are the least of its problems.
>>341573416
The Oblivion fanbase.
>>341573389
>>341573228
Niggr, Morrowind combat is not that of an ARPG, it's a fucking cRPG.
>>341573542
I buy an 'e'.
>>341573685
and its fucking trash, and because of the miss thing, thats just bait, its trash because its not involved at all, even the fucking blocking is automatic. Its like playing a fighter in NWN, in fact its worse than playing a fighter in NWN, because there you at least use an ability every now and then
most CRPGs had really, really crap melee combat and were only fun if you played spellcasters, and that is the exact same problem Morrowind has. Saying dumb shit like, ohh its CRPG is not a valid excuse, when its still boring as fuck
>>341573234
But that's not brokn though, th first thing you s is a niggr mag litrally ding bcaus h cratd a spll scroll that maks him jump too high.
Alchmy and nchanting ar that powrful in lor, w hav xampls of guys making fucking Stavs that can manipulat spactim and th vil of Mundus. TS protagonist happn to be fucking chosn of th scrolls and ar supr good at vrything.
nough frdom will always rsult in broknnss.
>Bandits with glass
That's not just "shitty" it's litrally lor braking, it's th worst lvl scaling I'v vr sn, VR in any fucking gam.
>>341573862
*and NOT because of the miss thing
>>341573862
don't act like an expert, you never played any CRPG prior to 1997
>>341573887
Fix your fucking E, man
>>341573862
>It's not involvd
Your dfinition of combat and gamplay, as ll as what gam should provid for you to b "involvd" is rtardd, hll I bt you ar a milnial cuck.
It is a valid xcus, it's not mant to b fucking action combat, it's a simulation of a tabl top gamplay, AS IN ABSTRACTION OF COMBAT WITH YOUR STATS AND ROLLS, th dpth and intricacis of your gamplay com from charactr building, stats, gar tc.
>>341573978
Not even denying that, the CRPG's I am talking about are BG and onwards
but that doesnt excuse Morrowinds combat, saying "older games were crappy like that" does not make morrowinds melee combat good
>>341564692
The PC version of Skyrim looked like shit too.
>>341573986
I can't, it's fucking brokn.
I hav to discuss TS whrvr I s it rgardlss if my kyboard is brokn or not, that's what happns whn Daggrfall is your scond PC gam vr and you spnd 12 yars or so on Lor forums discussing ldr Scrolls nrd shit.
guys I am playing morrowind with the expansions, the official dlcs, and the latest atch, basically vanilla Morrowind but since I started playing I didnt saw any Cliff Racer? Did they removed them? They were annoying but why removed them completely?
>>341574046
>it's a simulation of a tabl top gamplay,
>its shit on purpose
why even bother with player input then? why not just pause the game when you approach an enemy and have a popup:
>fight
>flee
and if you pick fight then the game automatically calculates combat based on your stats and its over instantly
would be better than the shit we have now
>>341574165
Thy ar only in ashlands and nar morrowind Mountains.
Until you go thr thy will not appar.
>>341574138
just copy paste an e
>>341574281
Okay, lets try this shit...it's a bit of a pain in the ass to ctrl+v every time I want to write "e" but I guess it works.
Thanks.
>>341563743
I agree with this for the most part, except I really enjoyed Skyrim's music. I don't understand why people don't like its OST.
>>341563743
>>341574383
Yeah, the music is all fucked up. Should be
Morrowind > Skyrim > Oblivion
>>341574238
>why even bother with player input then?
Are you retarded? What do you not understand about "table top RPG simulation".
There is a certain level of involvement there, but the main gist of the combat is how well you build your character.
>>341574517
I partially disagree, Aruiel's ascension, Watchmens ease and couple of others are best in being comfy
It goes like this, best feels are Morrowind
Best comf if Oblivion
Best ambience is Skyrim
>>341563743
>Morrowind or Oblivion
what?
>>341565046
because popular opinions are somehow bad?
>>341574576
>how well you build your character.
this can be tested with
>>341574238
>and if you pick fight then the game automatically calculates combat based on your stats and its over instantly
>"table top RPG simulation".
you dont understand that this is simply not fun for a great deal of people, not because they "dont get it" or because they are "casual" its not fun because its just standing there mashing left mouse button mindlessly, for fucks sake you dont even block or parry or whatever manually.
I doubt that people play TT for combat, they probably play it because its fun to have an actual GM and a group of friends together or whatever, i wouldn't know, never played TT because I never knew anyone who did and neither had many friends
>>341573542
lol how do you not notice this?
>>341574846
Believe me, combat complexity and starts involved in pnp RPGs are far more intricate than any game ever.
>>341573862
>when its still boring as fuck
I'm glad to be able to enjoy more things than you do
>>341564801
Oblivion is normie af. Each entry since daggerfall has been streamlined more and more, only being a noticeable problem with Oblivion.
>Muh viceral combat
>Muh level scaling so I feel like I have more content
>Muh who cares about world building
>Muh voice acting reducing complexity of characters and writing in general
>>341573208
>implying they refered to themselves as Germanic
fucking kek
>>341563743
>No section for world in general
The maps have only been getting worse and worse.
>>341575003
maybe, cant deny it because I have 0 experience with it, but we are talking about morrowind here, and combat there is neither complex nor fun
the only reason I even bothered to post in this thread, is that there is this weird meme that anyone who doesn't like Morrowind combat simply "doesn't get it" its mostly due to those bait webms, but it is entirely false. I like Morrowind, its my first TES game and a favourite one, but playing as a pure melee character there is terrible, in my redoran playthrough I mostly just used BoBS to run past enemies I couldn't avoid. Ended up playing like some kind of a Hlaalu because sneaking past enemies or running from them was far better than enduring the crap combat
>>341564692
They are making engine-side improvements. The game runs 64-bit now, and it has a higher memory cap. It comes with a bunch of built-in graphical improvements too, which means fewer graphical mods will be necessary to bring it up to modern standards. We'll quite likely be able to get Realvision ENB levels of visuals and even beyond while using significantly less system resources.
>>341570656
the screenies of the new version show they haven't fixed the uv mapping at all. all this remastered shit is going to do is set the unofficial patch team back two years on re-introducing all of their fixes, since you know damn well bethesda doesnt fix their own bugs.
>>341566328
>Oblivion has great combat!
>Everyone rolls stealth archer.
>>341563743
I fixed it for you OP
>>341575610
But Dragonborn was an average themepark
>>341576086
>average themepark
this is something you can say about literally every TES game, let alone their expansions
>>341563743
Hahahahahah. This image is so false. Oblivion is incredibly dated and so is Morrowind. They are both lacking basic features that Skyrim has. Skyrim isn't perfect either, but it's a hell of a lot better designed than Oblivion.
>muh spells
The way Skyrim handles spells solves two problems that existed in Oblivion.
You couldn't play as a sorcerer character who casts spells from both hands.
You could cast spells with full hands, which looks stupid and makes less sense.
The favorites menu alleviates the fact that you have to switch back and forth.
The quality of the voice acting is also much better in Skyrim except for the lack of any celebrity voice actors like in Fallout 3 and Oblivion.
>>341576253
"dated" games is a meme. You can enjoy any game of any year if you are not a graphic whore.
>>341576253
>>341576360
I didn't say anything about graphics. I love older games. I love the way Oblivion looks.
>>341575610
I'd rate story in Oblivion and Skyrim as equaly bad:
>fuug daedra are invading
>fuug dragons are attacking
same shit really, at least the defeat of an aspect of Akatosh might have some interesting implications for future titles, might even give bethesda an excuse to have a dragonbreak. But knowing bethesda they'll probably have a large timeskip and ignore it all together
>>341576658
I seriously hope Skyrim doesn't have a voiced protagonist. Surely Bethesda knows what they did wrong. The hate mail adds up.
>>341576767
Good old Todd admitted to the voiced protagonist being a bad idea
>>341576658
I don't know, I'd say Skyrim story is worse only cause it's actually the most important one, but handled poorly. I mean, Dagoth Ur and Mehrunes are one thing, but Skyrim has literally the end of the world that was foreshadowed since daggerfall and it makes you feel like you are just fighting some weak flying lizard.
>>341576767
well Todd did admit that the RPG elements are lacking in fo4, and I havent played lost harbour, but I saw some anons saying that its an improvement over the main game in that area
also, I think/hope that Bethesda takes TES more seriously than fallout
>>341576851
I wouldn't have minded it as much if the dialogue had stayed at the same level. One thing necessitated the destruction of the other, though.
>>341576914
*Far Harbor
>>341576914
>I think/hope that Bethesda takes TES more seriously than fallout
As it should be. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Skyrim's success much bigger than anything they made before?
>>341576914
Well TES is their child while Fallout is the adopted child
>>341576914
I read Far Harbor has a lot of skill checks. So at least they consider feedback and implement it into DLC.
Fallout 4 dropped the ball hard on story, backstory of the locations, and dialogue, but I enjoyed the new shooting aspects, far improved engine, and even the settlement stuff once mods are in place.
I can't wait to buy the same game again for $60!
>>341563743
Why aren't Arena and Daggerfall ever included in TES comparisons?
>>341577050
Yes. Same with Fallout 4.
Fallout 3 was the big one for me. Even Tim Cain from Fallout 1 and 2 said they did a good job with it except for the fact that they reused so much stuff from the originals.
>>341566328
But it's true
>>341575283
This literally doesn't make sense considering the ENB and texture replacements that people are going to run anyway are enormously computationally expensive. In fact it looks like all "improvements" are going to be completely replaced. The x86 memory limit had a workaround until Windows 10 if I recall correctly.
This is Bethesda releasing a 5 year old game with a few hundred manhours redoing the textures. They're not even porting it over to DX11 or 12 for fucks sake. This is a money grab.
>>341577265
Did they even redo the textures? I think they did even less than that. It's like an HD re-release. Like The Last of Us.
>>341577129
It's not the same game. It's the beautiful experience that was Skyrim in a new vest, with incredible graphics and modding support (!!!).
Seriously, this is going to be the game of the year. I for one, am eager to play it and can barely contain my excitment.
>>341577132
same reason it doesnt have battlespire, redguard and shadowkey, only like 2 people played them
>>341577378
Why do people pick on Todd so much? Is he really up to shenanigans all the time? Most of the stuff he said in that lying video weren't even lies. You really can climb the mountain.
>>341576914
Did he ever admit that not having spears in Skyrim was fucking stupid too.
>>341577132
because Arena is not a good game and Morrowind was a universal improvement of Daggerfall in every conceivable way except map size, even for people at the time.
>>341575610
>Morrowind last when it comes to mods
"no"
>>341576253
Here's a (you).
>>341577676
I was not even fishing for (You)s.
I just played Oblivion and it was very clearly worse.
>>341577537
Oblivion ruined the elves. In morrowind they has another kind of body and their face are really "alien"-like, especially the dunmers. Skyrim tried to fix that but still...
Why do Americans always say "would of"?
>>341577676
Tamriel rebuilt will not be released in our lifetime, let it go anon
>>341577521
Todd Howard is a victim of the internet, there is not a single thing he said that wasn't the unbiased truth.
>>341575610
>Gameplay
>Skyrim > Oblivion
>>341577132
because Morrowind is the first console ES game and as such was the entry point for TES for neo-/v/
>>341577537
what a shitty pic man
>race is good because blabla, BUT ALSO STEALTH ARCHERY
>EVERY SINGLE TIME
>>341577910
Yeah, that's the only viable option in Skyrim
>>341577871
/v/ is wrong about a lot of things. Things here should not be taken seriously here.
>>341577537
>DuMNer
jesus christ anon
>>341577882
its a fact, oblivion has the worst level scaling in any game ever, the combat is somehow worse, and that dialogue minigame is an embarrassment, I cant imagine how they could look at that and go
>oh yeah this is great, ship it
>Story
Skyrim was objectively the best story out of all of them, i mean you get to go to heaven, its better, trust me.
>Gameplay
Skyrim, without a doubt, morrowind you miss half your shit and oblivion is floaty, bad combat, skyrim is great
>Quests
Once again, skyrim, though oblivion is close, skyrim introduced guild quests along with repeating quests, allowing for infinite amount of stuff to do, making it feel like a real world
>Music
Skyrim of course, no need to explain this one
>Skills
Skyrim, the use certain skills to increase their level, along with getting certain perks when you hit a certain level outmatches anything morrowind and oblivion had to offer
>Mods
You are correct
>DLC
skyrim, vampires were awesome and riding dragons was next level
Anyways, i cant wait for the skyrim remaster, im going to buy 2 copies, one for PC and one for xbone because i want to support bethesda, since they earned it. Good job bethesda
>>341577338
The Last of Us was actually a very complicated and involved remaster. Going from PS3 to PS4 and getting 60 FPS at 1080p was no small task, and on top of that they added a bunch of new shaders, filters, textures and lighting effects to make it prettier.
>>341577882
>unironically thinking Oblivion's gameplay is better than anything
>>341577967
>sneaking around shooting arrows like a scared little girl
>not suiting up and bashing your opponents heads in with giant warhammers like a man
>>341577338
They added foliage and mushrooms. And the shitty god rays from Fallout 4 that run horribly.
>>341578053
Oh, okay. Never mind. I actually remember that it looked a lot better now.
>>341578031
agreed
>>341578031
(you)
>>341577882
oblivion was a fucking mess of a far greater magnitude than the other two
only one game there actively punishes you for leveling
>>341578112
I don't know what you mean by that. Foliage and mushrooms were in vanilla Skyrim.
>>341578031
I sincerely hope this is a copypasta
>>341578028
you have a point on the level scaling and chat minigame but the combat in Oblivion has more variety than Skyrim's stealth archery or spam M1 bullshit
>>341578165
good counter argument friendo :^)
>>341578215
its not
>>341577882
>>341578028
>>341578058
>Elder scrolls combat/gameplay at all good
>Morrowind
>sell soul gems to Creeper for infinite gold
>train yourself to infinity
>autowin
>>341563743
>gameplay
>oblivion
>music
>oblivion
>quests
>oblivion
Enjoying your attention for having an unconventional opinion?This post is offensively summer.
>>341563743
Wow. Now I know you're talking completely out of your ass. Skyrim's combat isn't very floaty, and being floaty doesn't make combat bad. At least Skyrim had any ampunt of verticality to its combat, as opposed to Dark Souls, which has zero verticality. Skyrim is also not subpar. Witcher 3 is subpar. Skyrim's leveling system is better in every way, as is the combat, fast travel, magic, lore, crafting, and side characters.
>yfw autists actually defend morrowind's combat systen and animations in relation to a modern game
>>341578271
not even the most deluded and braindead Oblivion haters have ever been able to say Oblivion doesn't have the best quests and keep a straight face. I'll ignore your other hot opinions but try not to embarrass yourself
>>341578335
agreed :)
>>341577867
Even if they leave out the Dres and Hlaalu lands, they've done incredible work. Morrowind's mods are superior to Skyrim's in every way.
Here's another one.
>>341578258
it's not, but oblivion's is still the shittiest
>>341578205
but they all punish you for levelling
Reading this thread I remember why I leaved /v/. I can't stand all this cringe.
>>341578053
Also they ported over the cutscene character models into the gameplay, which were a lot more detailed and would have sucked up too much resources on the PS3 version.
>>341578439
but youre here
>>341578335
>crafting
>not bland bare bones broken mess that shouldn't have been in the game in the first place
>FUCKING CHARACTERS LMAO
>not complete fallout 4 tier garbage
>>341578371
>I'm the voice of the whole elder scrolls community
Yeah fuck off
>>341578519
>I'm the voice of the whole elder scrolls community
but I never said that anon. Take your pills pls
>Story
Skyrim was objectively the best story out of all of them, i mean you get to go to heaven, its better, trust me.
>Gameplay
Skyrim, without a doubt, morrowind you miss half your shit and oblivion is floaty, bad combat, skyrim is great
>Quests
Once again, skyrim, though oblivion is close, skyrim introduced guild quests along with repeating quests, allowing for infinite amount of stuff to do, making it feel like a real world
>Music
Skyrim of course, no need to explain this one
>Skills
Skyrim, the use certain skills to increase their level, along with getting certain perks when you hit a certain level outmatches anything morrowind and oblivion had to offer
>Mods
You are correct
>DLC
skyrim, vampires were awesome and riding dragons was next level
Anyways, i cant wait for the skyrim remaster, im going to buy 2 copies, one for PC and one for xbone because i want to support bethesda, since they earned it. Good job bethesda.
>>341578205
Oblivion punishes you for levelling wrong (and the right way is extremely autistic)
Morrowing also punishes you for levelling wrong (and the right way is fairly autistic; plus it has terrible low level gameplay)
Skyrim barely has a levelling system at all
>>341578604
True that, amigo
>>341578604
>Skyrim
>not floaty combat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOooqBP0Wpg
>>341565251
Except the quests columns. Oblivion's quests are barely better Skyrim's.
>>341578867
>Oblivion's quests are barely better Skyrim's.
I should slap you over the monitor
>>341578031
>being this delusional
>>341578394
that's Project Cyrodiil, isn't it? how are they coming along?
>>341578394
I dont know man, I think skyrim has plenty of really good mods, including gameplay mods and quest/land mods
obviously nothing reaches the scale of tamriel rebuilt, but again, by the time that mod has a final release I'll probably be an old man
>>341578921
>>341578371
Just calm down already. Oblivion's quests weren't as bad as Skyrim's, but no amount of nostalgia should be able to convince you that they were actually good
>>341578604
>skyrim introduced guild quests along with repeating quests, allowing for infinite amount of stuff to do, making it feel like a real world
>doing the same quest over and over again makes it feel like a real world
I bet you also loved the fact that you can speak to NPCs as many times as you want, allowing for infinite amount of discussions between you and the NPCs
>>341579072
since you're the one making the claim I wonder if there is any actual criteria you can put forward to support it
>>341579171
I'm not that frogposter but I kind of agree with him. Majority of Oblivion's quests were pretty shitty. There were a few standouts but so many forgettable ones compared to Morrowind.
Should be in the middle on the original picture imo.
>>341579279
you didn't actually respond though
>>341579052
I hear they're pretty much done with Anvil.
>>341579279
>forgettable ones compared to Morrowind.
that's funny since I recently started doing Thieves guild quests in Morrowind and so far I feel like I've done the same quest 15 times
>>341563743
Responding to your image.
>Story: Morrowind>Oblivion>Skyrim
Morrowind>Skyrim>Oblivion
Oblivion's story was the most generic story one could conjure up.
>Gameplay:Oblivion>Morrowind>Skyrim
Skyrim>Oblivion>Morrowind
Good gameplay and CRPG mechanics are mutually exclusive. You can only have one. CRPG mechanics are supposed to simulate the outcome of a battle without much input, whereas gameplay is about getting to do stuff oneself. Skyrim was almost exactly like Oblivion in gameplay, but with minor tweaks.(Though I liked Oblivion's magic casting feature better)
>Quests: Oblivion>Morrowind>Skyrim
Morrowind>Oblivion>Skyrim
Skyrim quests are almost like Oblivion's quests, but somehow Skyrim managed to do a little bit worse. Morrowind had actual quests that resembled quests where one had to figure shit out without quest pointers.
>Music: Oblivion>Morrowind>Oblivion
Morrowind>Skyrim>Oblivion
Morrowind's music was something exotic and mythical. Skyrim's music also had personality. But Oblivion's music was the most generic music imaginable - it was generic but pleasant. Every single shitty fantasy game has the same generic music like Oblivion, which makes it average.
>Skills: Morrowind>Oblivion>Skyrim
Skyrim>Oblivion>Morrowind
They are all 3D action games, yet all of them pretend to be some sort of tabletop games. Skills are meant to simulate shit that can't be done through gameplay. So, smithing is a valid skill, so are armor skills and also alchemy and enchanting . But weapon skills are pointless, you have combat mechanics for this shit. If TES series was an isometric CRPG instead, this order would be reversed.
>Mods: Skyrim>Oblivion>Morrowind
Skyrim>Oblivion>Morrowind
>DLC: Oblivion>Morrowind>Skyrim
Oblivion>Morrowind>Skyrim
Average Scores(3-best; 1-worst):
Morrowind - 2
Oblivion - 1.86
Skyrim - 2.14
Seems that statistically, Skyrim is the winner. You can't argue with statistics.
>>341579803
>oblivion combat: almost the same thing but also backstabbing
>morrowind combat: exactly the same thing but also [you missed] [you missed] [you missed]
it's a series staple senpai
>>341579983
>can't argue with statistics
made up statistics based on a completely subjective viewpoint
who needs to argue?
>>341580024
>>341579983
How is Oblivion more generic than
>Big bad dragon wants to destroy world
>You are chosen one
>Go kill
>>341580235
Clearly the best combat in all of TES
>>341580235
melee is almost exactly the same between this and oblivion; in oblivion you block once then circle behind the guy you're attacking nonstop for a minute (or if you stand and block/attack it's exactly the same)
archery (stealth archery) is exactly the same as oblivion
magic is the only real different point; in oblivion you used it on every non-roleplay character because why not and in skyrim you couldn't even roleplay a pure caster character without mods because it was just that shit
>>341580424
It is still considerably better than Oblivion.I just played it.
>>341580464
Which instantly makes Oblivion have better combat just by having actual magic you can use practically
>>341573169
Anyone who thinks morrowind doesn't have the most atrociously designed, implemented combat out of ANY TES game, than your a raving fanboy for a game that aged like whole milk. I even like morrowind but if you can't even accept it's weakness than holy shit what are you even doing. You can't let your own Bias effect what should be objective conjecture
>>341580551
Oblivion has a whole cult plot, it doesn't treat like a chosen one for the a millionth time and the ending is done a lot fucking better while Skyrim is just DRAGONS with some diddle fucking around with the high elves
>>341580553
I love the feeling Oblivion gives of a setting where everyone uses magic to some extent in that way (which is supposed to be a thing in TES)
playing a warrior? cast fireball; maybe save your mana for lesser healing
playing a ranger? shoot a spell while sneaking then cast fireball; maybe save your mana for lesser healing
playing a wizard? UNLIMITED POWEEERRRRR
>>341576390
sorry but your ebin reaction image doesn't quantify as an argument
>pick some mods for Skyrim
>play a few hours
>decide I want different game changing mods
>delete saves
>install new mods
>play a few hours
>repeat
pls, just tell me what the best perk overhaul system and combat mods are, or should I just suffer with vanilla?
SPERG makes the character too OP and leveling is superfast
Ordinator has too much bullshit
I like the idea of Morrowloot, but actually playing it levels are way too slow
>>341580667
Morrowind combat is fine after the first 3-6 hours of grinding
Morrowind definitely has the worst accessibility of an Elder Scrolls game for that reason though and arguably autism comparable to dorf fort because the first 3-6 hours of play are never enjoyable
>>341580803
Just don't play Skyrim, a lot more fun
>>341580720
I just meant the combat was better. I still didn't really have a problem with Skyrim's story. I just really liked the game. Plus Skyrim has J'zargo. He was a really great follower.
>>341580235
>>341580887
fuck, i thought you were someone else, didn't look at what you replied to
>>341580945
I forgive you, brother. I have done it too.
hey im playing oblivion right now, how do i join the theives guild
>>341580142
Tell me where you disagree then.
>>341580280
>demons are invading the world through hell portals
>demon world is classical lava world
>you are the chosen one to close the hell portals
>go kill demons
There was even a movie with that same plot recently called "Warcraft".
Whereas Skyrim:
>Same formula
>Bad guys are this time are a bit more than generic bad guys. This time they were a bit fleshed out bad guys.
>>341581047
Alduin is literally just "THE EATER OF WORLDS", how the fuck is that fleshed out?
How is DRAGONS less generic?
>>341580887
Skyrim combat is objectively worse or equal to Oblivion
Melee both games are a slog but at least oblivion lets you dance around enemies
Ranged in oblivion forces stealth because it's underpowered; ranged in skyrim is overpowered if you use stealth and underpowered if you dont (because enemies close the gap with you and you're fucked in both situations)
Magic in oblivion is objectively superior because 1. spells aren't piss weak and 2. spell crafting
Shouts really dont add anything that couldn't be done in oblivion with spells
Followers are just pack mules
Alchemy is the same more or less in both games
>>341581275
Oblivion has no sprint.
Player staggering in Oblivion is much more annoying.
You cannot dual wield in Oblivion.
You cannot have two spells equipped at one time in Oblivion.
You have to level up your skills in Oblivion to be able to attack while jumping, something you can do right off the bat in real life.
Followers have more soul in Skyrim.
See: J'zargo.
I hate alchemy and never really used it. Same with enchanting. It was just too stupid.
>>341580024
The difference is in morrowind [miss][miss][miss] only happens in the early game afterwards combat goes down much quicker when you're skilled enough to hit consistently.
Meanwhile in oblivion and skyrim mashing M1 against damage sponges is not so bad in the beginning, and rapidly gets worse as you level up.
>>341581047
the most well known RPG tabletop is Dungeons and Dragons
it's not Dungeons and Demons mate
slaying Dragons is a much more common high fantasy theme
>>341578631
Morrowind doesn't punish you for leveling wrong. You do have to be fairly autistic to min/max your stat bonuses but a level up is always advantageous.
>>341581668
Where is the armor crafting? It was so fun in Skyrim. Please don't tell me you didn't like making armor.
>>341581553
>Oblivion has no sprint
Because of Speed and Athletics
>You cannot dual wield in Oblivion
It was useless in Skyrim
>You cannot have two spells equipped at one time in Oblivion
Magic was shit in Skyrim so invalid point
>>341581034
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Thieves_Guild_(Oblivion)#Finding_the_Guild
>>341581216
Skyrim:
Alduin is the former emperor of Skyrim. Peasants rebelled, but were too weak to defeat him, so they timewarped Alduin into future. After that, killing off the remaining dragons was easy. When Alduin exits timewarp, he sees that all of his comrades have been killed and there is nothing left of his empire, so he starts restoring it.
Oblivion:
Mehrunes Dagon tries to invade Tamriel with his generic minions because he is just evil like that.
>>341581034
Ask ye olde beggars
>>341581553
Dual wielding weapons and spells didn't do much to help the combat. All it did is have it go from mashing M1 against enemies with too much health to letting you mash M1 and M2 against enemies with giant health pools.
>>341581553
Skyrim has no Athletics (going full sanic with potions/spells is amazing and is somewhat accessible to lower level characters due to how easy alchemy is to grind)
Player staggering is the only thing that makes combat difficult at higher levels in Oblivion
Dual Wielding in Skyrim is barely implemented garbage anyway
Spell dual wielding is similarly garbage because your mana pool doesn't get doubled
>REALISM LOL
it's a fantasy game
Oblivion didn't have followers
Enchanting was the only better thing in Skyrim you dingus and it was still worse than Morrowind enchanting
>>341581604
Dragons usually have some sort of personality while demons are just the trope bad guys.
>>341582116
>Spell dual wielding is similarly garbage because your mana pool doesn't get doubled
dual wielding is good because it allowed you to use to different spells at the same time anon, like a ward spell and an attack spell, or a spell that slows down enemies or pushes them back in one hand and a pure damage spell in another, what does this have to do with mana pool?
>>341581553
>needing sprint when you have athletics and move with sanicspeed anyways
>not shielding yourself against stagger with spells
>wanting to dual wield like a edgelord, as if it is viable when the second weapon is not a parrying dagger
>what is quickbind
>wants to jump while attack as if this is a platinum games title, maybe even combo for SSS title
>followers in skyrim >more soul >lel
>not using alchemy and enchanting for maximum fun
spotted the casul shitter.
>>341563743
Personal opinions are personal opinions
Sales are sales
which do you think a company cares about more?
>>341581047
In Oblivion you are NOT the chosen one.
>>341582467
Yes you are. Patrick Stewart sees you in his dream.
>>341582220
If you're going to say "demons are just the trope bad guys", I can easily say "dragons are just giant, flying, fire breathing lizards"
>>341582541
Yeah, as the guy that helps the real chosen one
>>341581987
Skyrim: Entire plot is unveiled in the opening act and the remainder of the game is jumping through macguffin hoops to reach the anti-climactic battle where you kill Alduin
Obliviion: Plot is more traditional 3 act setup before an anti-climactic battle killing the siege walker (the players story) then a fairly climactic battle banishing mehrunes dagon (martins story)
>>341582467
>"You are the one from my dreams."
>>341582467
>>341582541
In Oblivion you are Sam
Martin is Frodo
sure you did all the work while he whined about how terrible everything is but at the end of the day he was the main character
We all know Fallout 4 is the best Bethesda game.
>>341582238
He's talking about how you can put two of the same spell on each hand to dual wield cast something but all it does is use up twice as much mana. And you have to waste a perk point on it just to find out it's useless.
>>341582790
>>341582790
when will people drop the more complex = better meme?
>>341563743
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PedZazWQ48
They could add in all these things to the remaster but they won't.
>>341572245
Problem with Oblivion's quests was that it had a greatly improved SYSTEM compared to Morrowind, but quest designers did jacks hit with it. Only genuinely good quests that utilized it were the Dark Brotherhood which were amazing.
>>341582890
In this case, it's true. :)
In the case of System Shock and Bioshock, it's not true.
>>341582783
thats like saying that you are not the chosen one in DA origins if you let loghain or someone take the final hit
you do all the fucking work and you are the emperors dreamboy
>>341582790
Fallout 4 is legitimately Bethesda's most polished game
None of the gameplay elements are clunky
Nothing jumps out to ruin it for all but a select few autists in the gameplay areas
it's just mediocre in every way despite that
>>341563743
They could complete the fucking voice sets. Fucking lazy shits didn't pay a couple more bucks for a couple more lines of dialogue. Cant have a proper argonian waifu.
