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Saving the best game for last, eh Nintendo. ;)
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Saving the best game for last, eh Nintendo. ;)
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They are thinking of ways to damage control
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They will most likely keep it as their system's seller for the NX.
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Want the person pushing Toads DEAD
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>>341491468
System seller as bringing people to buy a PS4bone instead?
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>Toads
>Stickers
>Toads
>Toads
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....I feel nothing. I'm afraid to feel anything
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>>341491515
>Want the person pushing Toads DEAD
Even the fucking Mario party doesn't even have you playing as Mario characters anymore: you play as toads and 'recruit' them.
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>>341491468
Yesterday they gave it an actual release date.

Its the big and likely only holiday Wii U release.
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>Trailer comes out
>Likes/Dislikes bar disabled
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Did they change anything or is it still shit?
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Why the fuck do they all have paper outlines
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So what is Nintendo's Christmas season lineup this year?

Pokémon Sun/Moon and Color Splash?
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>>341493181
>trailer comes out
>isn't put up on their youtube
>again
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>>341493413
EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE IS MADE OF PAPER CUTOUTS LOL XD
What? It's supposed to look like illustrations of a storybook brought to life, with popup book elements?
THATS NOT OBVIOUS ENOUGH EVERYONE IS LITERALLY PAPER
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>>341493413
why do paper things have paper outlines
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>>341494558
why didn't paper things have paper outlines in other paper mario games?

because they weren't made of paper, they just acted like they were
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>>341493413
>>341494760
I agree on your complaint since it looks ugly but the original marketing had it that way.
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>>341491113
I hope. It's funny seeing the on & off bitching in the Twitch chat.
>>341494068
I don't think that was related to the backlash since Kirby's trailer at the time never got uploaded. Only fishy thing with Color Splash was the lack of a time stamp it had on Nintendo's site on the Direct video even though every other games had one.
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>>341490995
I'm interested but mainly out of morbid curiosity.
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>>341490995
Are we sure they'll even show it?
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>>341496562
This said it was & they've been right about everything else so far: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/06/reminder_day_two_of_e3_brings_multiple_nintendo_games_including_a_new_role-playing_ip
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>>341494068
When Kirby Triple Deluxe and Kirby Robobot planet got announced, they didn't get a trailer posted on youtube either.
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>>341493548
Close enough
Color Splash comes out Oct.7, 2016
Pokemon Sun & Moon comes out Nov.18, 2016
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>>341497113
They aren't first party games to be fair.
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It's coming mates
Get ready
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>>341499441
I'm not ready for it man.
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>>341499772
Go on Nintendo's twitch
It's time
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Looks like shit already
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNKgwyy2WTI
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>>341493413
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So did they change it?
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here's your Cristi
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Go fuck yourself "Huey"
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>This narration
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the actual fuck was that
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>>341500491
>>341500654
TOAD! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Literally just Sticker Star on the WiiU this time
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TOAD IS DEAD! HALLELUJAH!
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ITS LITERALLY STICKER STAR ON CONSOLE
FUCK YOU NINTENDO
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HUEY CONFIRMED FOR BEING BRAZILIAN
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>Huey
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a-at least its pretty looking, r-right?
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yeah it's just sticker star

;_;
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>>341492058

youre aware that sticker star is the best selling Paper Mario game ever, right?
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>>341490995
Please be an actual rpg
Please be an avtual rpg
Please be an actual rpg
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>>341501002
>Huey
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>>341501164
Super Paper Mario is actually.
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>>341501215
No luck
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No Exp Confirmed
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I dont understand

Paper Mario and PMTTYD are some of the greatest Nintendo games ever made.

Why the fuck do they refuse to make a third one?
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>>341501164
and worst rated
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>Maximize your A presses

They know
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>based on a kid's love for painting
>instead Mario paint on wii u
>More raping of PM
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>>341501164

Built on hype from other, better Paper Mario games.

Also, sales =/= quality.
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>Sticker Star 2

WHY
THE
FUCK

FUCK YOU NINTENDO. PAPER MARIO WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE FRANCHISES. BUT NOOO
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So are the cards disposable like stickers or not?
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>HAVE TO PRESS AND HOLD CARDS, LITERALLY STICKERS EXCEPT YOU WASTE MORE TIME SELECTING
>EASIER TIMED ATTACKS
IT'S STICKER STAR WITH SLOWER COMBAT
STICKER STAR WITH SLOWER COMBAT
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>I summon BLUE SHELL in attack mode!
I don't fucking get it. Did TTYD sell like shit or something? What the fuck made them look at TTYD and Crystal Chronicles and decide that nothing but their fucking names needed to be worked into another game?
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>>341501229

no

>>341501291

doesn't matter, it will still push NX consoles
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>It's plays like Sticker Star
>But it looks SO GOOD

Why must we suffer, Intelligent System never learns.
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>>341501164
yeah

because it had a price drop to $10 at all retailers months after retail

also "first paper mario made 100% out of paper" nintendo actually believes the first game was super paper mario
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>This is their big game for the Wii U until Zelda:BoW
>Wii U still costs 300€
Fuck you Nitendo
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>>341501394
yes, you collect and use them up
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>>341501349
>>341501408
>>341501450
Welp.
Time to end my life.
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>>341501481
>It will still push NX consoles
Typical tripfag retardation
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>>341501481
it's only wiiu
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>>341492965
Seriously? God damn, I'm glad I hacked my 3DS.
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>too bad I'm just paper otherwise I'd go for a swim
but the water is also paper

what's the problem
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>>341501215
No EXP gained from battles, it's just Sticker Star again. Who wants to bet boss battles will have that painbucket yell at you for not one-shotting the boss?
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this looks worse than it did before. a lot worse. im so fucking bummed about this guys.
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>literally sticker star 2
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>paper
>paper
>individual fibers of the paper
>uhh, PAPER
IM GOING TO BUY IT ANYWAYS
AND THATS THE WORST PART
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>Color sticker 2

RIP

Neo IS like i keep telling you guys, ever since awakening.
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Hey guys toad confirmed!:(
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>>341501682
SPM had an underwater level too
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Do you but cards with coins?

Does it make you want to avoid battle?
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NO EXP
CARDS ARE STICKERS, BUT THEY TAKE LONGER TO SET UP
PAINT BUCKET GETS MAD AT YOU AS SOON AS YOU MEET IT
THE PLOT IS ENTIRELY BASED AROUND FINDING OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TOADS ON THE ISLAND
EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST LIKE THE REVEAL TRAILER
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>>341501891
I was under the impression the water then was actual water, though.
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this is fucking painful to watch.

>oh wow look at the detail
>wow you can see the fibers of the uh paper
>wow it looks like paper uhh the cardboard of the coins

fuck these guys. we wanted another paper mario RPG not another fucking sticker star abomination. these devs are clueless
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>>341501898
No telling what you buy with coins yet, but cards are almost certainly at least one thing. Maybe they've made it so HP and max ink increases have to be paid for at least.
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There were five Toads on screen. Five. Towns are going to be the worst.
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why are the fucking smiling, civilian koopas attacking?
THIS IS GARBAGE
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FUCK YOU TANABE

THIS IS YOUR FAULT
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>Sticker Star 2
Why?
Did the nips like Sticker Star or something?
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>>341501872
The fuck is it with them and Toads in recent years anyway? Even that shitty new Mario Party you're forced to play as Toads. Seriously, fuck Toads.
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>We wanted to make good use of the Touch screen
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I WANT TO DIE
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When we kill Tanabe?
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>DUDE PAPER LMAO

its like nintendo doesnt realize what made people like PM 1, 2, and super wasnt the FUCKING PAPER
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>>341502131
Miyamoto and Tanabe did, and apparently that's all that matters.
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>>341502154
all you need to know
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>>341502250
When the trailer is on Youtube and the dislikes stockpile.
That'll make him question his decisions
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Partners confirmed!
Get hype bros!!!
;_;
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Well, partners are back... kinda.
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>>341502107
Did you miss the introduction where the game practically screams at you that the story is entirely about Toads?
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>It's another "companions are just minimalistic fairies" episode
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>>341502339
All generic Toads right?
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"it's all Toads"

as if that's a good thing
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>TEMPORARY PARTNERS
LITERAL FUCK YOU TO TTYD
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>minions
End the conference
No more
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>>341502371
I did. Now they got to the Toad town. Save me please, I'm so sick of them thanks to SS.
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>it's all toads
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>Toads everywhere
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>>341502260
I liked the papery aestetics of PM2 though. And the papery minutia of Sticker Star looks nice: it's just dragged down by the worlds being so uninspired.
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>>341502305
they'll either not put it up like before or removed the like bar like on Federation Force
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>>341502107
Well at least one of the toad looks slightly different. Thats fine r-right.
Who am I kidding. This just plan suck.
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>>341490995
>LITERAL TOAD HUNTS
HOW
ARE
THEY
THIS
UN
AWARE
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>it's all toads
OH REALLY!? I WOULDN'T HAVE GUESSED!
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>>341502434
No, you beat enemies and then you can recruit them with a card.
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>>341495112
Only in America.
In Japan, it was literally just called "MARIO STORY" and it had absolutely nothing to do with Paper. Localizing it as Paper Mario was just Nintendo of America's way of rationalizing the use of 2D sprites in 3D environments.
It didn't become "PAPER MARIO STORY" in Japan until the second game.
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>>341502305
It sure as hell worked with fed. force.
I'm done with this series, I prefer it to die than become what currently is.
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>>341491515
That's Miyamoto
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>partners are generic mooks, literally
>ALL
>TOADS
CAN'T WAKE UP
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>>341502339
no, that is not partners

not at all
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At least I don't have to buy a wiiU
:(
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>>341501872
I have a theory: maybe they see the toad as something like a Mii-- a blank slate for you to project on.
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Okay, you can have my tears.

I'm dead.
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>>341502304
>(laughs)
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It looks good style-wise, but I'm pretty sad about the gameplay being the same as Sticker Star. That was really a step back. I probably won't get this.
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They can't keep getting away with this
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At least it's better than Sticker Star
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Hey a shy guy!
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>>341502829
>probably
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I see a Shy Guy in line over there. m-maybe there will be other non-toad NPCs? Maybe toads are only in this area?

>he doesn't even talk to him
fuck
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>>341502787
They are trying to compete with disney. Toads are = minions
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>>341502469
>I did.
The intro is Peach and a Toad visiting Mario to show him a folded-up blank Toad. So they go to an island of Toads.
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>Trusting Intelligent systems after 2012

Lol, it's miya and tanabe owned now.
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Angry Sun confirmed
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>>341502764
breath of the wild?
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H-hey there's a Toad with sunglasses
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Was there still a run command in battles?
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This isn't a new mechanic this is just sticker star's sticker system
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>>341502914
>m-maybe there will be other non-toad NPCs?
Sticker Star had non-Toad NPCs. You could count them on one hand and they didn't look different from enemies you fight.
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>>341502931
>Disney
>Minions

Wat?
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>>341502632
>it had absolutely nothing to do with Paper
Aside from the paper physics in the game, the papercraft environments, the folding/unfolding paper environments, right?? No because you're a dumb fucking faggot who looked at Wikipedia one day and decided to feel special by acting like an expert on Nihon.

Fuck off you stupid shit, this is literal 2006-tier internet forum posting when people would say "BUT THE JAPANESE VERSION WAS DIFFERENT!!!"
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Fuck this gay earth
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LUIGI IS IN THE GAME

automatically better than Sticker Star already
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LUIGI IS A FUCKING POWERUP
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When the fuck is miyamoto gonna die already
he keeps ruining everything

we got rid of iwata and his gimmicks but now we gotta take miyamoto shit
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>>341502864
this is pouring salt on an decade old wound...
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>>341502864
That's not saying much.
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>>341502959
which is even supposed to be Delfino but nothing but Toads on it
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>>341502864
its not
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NO PAPER LUIGI DIALOGUE
NO PAPER LUIGI DIALOGUE
NO PAPER LUIGI DIALOGUE
NO PAPER LUIGI DIALOGUE
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>>341502632
>and it had absolutely nothing to do with Paper.
The first Paper Mario had environments popping up, folding out, and Mario being flattened or falling like a piece of paper.
TTYD played off of it more.
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>REVERSE STICKERIZATION
So original.
>>341503182
He was in Sticker Star, you had to pull him out of the scenery 3 times with stickerization.
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>Saying toad gets you banned from the room
Holy shit I'm dying.
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So my impressions.

I'm impressed already. As someone who actually learned how to play Sticker Star, it's nice to finally see a new one.

Paint mechanic looks fun, and a bit more accessible than the Sticker mechanic. Those of you who think TTYD's combat is 'better' because it's less complicated should be pleased by this. Puzzles seem to be a bit less confusing as well, which is honestly an improvement. SS's main problem was it's incredibly obtuse puzzle solutions that don't make a whole lot of sense to first time players.

And of course, it's nice to see a little variety in the plot as well. Getting mailed a toad was fairly interesting.
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nintendo has officially killed paper mario
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I don't even want him to retire any more, I want him to straight up die.
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>>341503142
Nintendo is not a game company anymore. Think about it, they define them selfs as a toy company. That explain the amiibos for example, their rival is now disney.
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>>341503026
Isn't breath of the wild coming out for the next nintendo console too?
I'd rather wait to buy that and hope it has no motion controls.
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>>341502304
>The more restrictions there were, the more excited I got.
>You an't forget them

This guy is full of shit.
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There is literally a visible difference between them all.

This is a game for babies
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>>341503345
report and hide everyone
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Hey guys having fun?
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>>341503182
Sticker Star had the same thing you fucking nigger, hidden Luigis you could find in every world.
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>>341503345
This isn't even funny, fuck off PretendoAnon.
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one of the things that pisses me off especially is this "cut out" thing being treated as anything at all. it's not only just the same as Sticker Star's thing, but that was lame as fuck, too.

It's not really a mechanic if you just do the same thing every time you see it, with no challenge or variety. May as well just press the A button to accomplish the thing, there's no point in making it a "feature".
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>>341503345
YOU ARE THE REASON NINTENDO IS DEAD YOU FUCKING SHILL
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Huey huey huey huey huey huey
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>>341503345
CHOKE ON THAT NINTENDO'S FUCKING COCK ALREADY
CHOKE
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Huey's at least more charismatic than fuckin kersti
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>>341503345
I hope they at least penalize you for running away from combat now instead of making the enemy disappear.
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>>341503397
Disney has nothing to do with Minions. They're not the only animation company.
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>shufflegate: exposed
>five fun guys

cant make this shit up
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i dont understand, why does he have so many fucking dupes if the cards stay in the deck?
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>Shufflegate
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>>341490995
Reminder that shyguys are murderers
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>tropical island theme
>no Piantas
>toads instead

why
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>The improperly folded paper of Mario
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>it looks great style wise
>see the gameplay

nintendo really doesn't learn do they?
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JUST
JUST
JUST
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>>341503294
it probably will be t b h

thats an extremely low barrier to jump
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>>341503701
You get paint for defeating enemies, so at the very least the people too retarded to realize that you get more coins by beating enemies stop complaining about that.

In fact, this game seems to have addressed a lot of the real problems with Sticker Star. Combat seems like it has a little more depth, the paint mechanic has a lot of potential, puzzles seem less insane and reliant on different objects that may or may not be on the other side of the map, that sort of thing.
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this is so not fun
fucking nobody is having fun there
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>>341503345
What compels someone to write a post like this?

No really, what is your motivation behind this? There are lower effort ways of trolling people and there are methods of trolling people with much higher yield that require the same amount of effort.
>>
JJJJJJJUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTT
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>>341503345
I'm already mad enough without your sarcasm. Please stop posting
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this looks... okay?
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>mention sticker
>You are banned from talking in nintendo for 3590 more seconds.

and you people support this company
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>Get to the final of the level
> jump to another
I can't anymore.
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You know what? Fuck you all

I think this looks great, and I am looking forward to actually playing this and giving an actual opinion, unlike you fucks who bash the game even though you've never played it.
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>>341503667
Both don't hold a candle to Tippi, Stuffwell, or Starlow. And PM 1 and 2 were fine without some guide character.
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>>341504045
You fuckin shillin this shit?
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>>341504095
>>341503509
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OH BOY, KOOPALINGS
WHERE'S THE FUCKING BINGO
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>>341504045
but you use paint to defeat enemies, same as coins, same as cards

either way it's a resource that you have to spend to earn, and it's simpler to just not spend.

also fucking what combat depth, it's exactly the same
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>>341504095
Maybe he's being serious.

.........

........actually that would be fucking sad...
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If only we could ban this chill fucker
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>The game looks fucking beutiful
>It plays like shit

God damn it /v/ it hurts
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Confirmed: no real bosses. All it will be is koopalings.
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>koopalings

FUCK

OFF
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Morton's music sounds like Tubba Blubba's or whatever that TTYD final boss was named.
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>mfw Mario&Luigi/Super Mario RPG fag
>mfw Paper Mario fags getting BTFO
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Fuck it, any apathy from me is gone
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I want koopalings to die
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>>341504394
>yfw 5 years ago everyone was clamoring for their return
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>koopalings
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So now that the dust has settled, can we all agree is Sticker Star 2 and that we will fucking ignore it?
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Remember if you buy this shit you're actively ruining future paper mario's
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>>341504363
Did you see how amazing it looked before Mario entered the door to Morton? The lighting coupled with the paper? Why can't this be in a proper Paper Mario RPG? Why does it have to be in Sticker Star 2?
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>>341504257
So glad I added it, holy shit.
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>>341504131
>>341504095
I like how none of you address my points.

The simple fact of the matter is that a game I rather like is being treated unfairly by a group of people too stupid to figure out how to play it. Of course I am annoyed by this.

And holy shit, Koopa Kids confirmed!
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>>341504494
WHAT DID WE EVER DO TO YOU

NOBODY DESERVES THIS
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>>341504146
dumb cuck
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Was Morton always...

This brain dead?
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This game looks much better than Sticker Star. The card battle system seems to have more of a strategy element to it than the sticker system where you just had to choose the right sticker to win.
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>>341504531
>>341504564
>>341504394
>>341504373
I never got why people were so pissed about Rosalina being "forced" when the Koopalings exist.
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Remember when people bitched and bitched and bitched for years about them not using the Koopalings any more?
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>>341504531
That's because people forgot the reason why BJ replaced them in the first place: there's fucking seven of them. That's seven boss slots taken up.
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>DON'T JUDGE IT BY IT'S INITIAL TRAILER THEY SAID
>I'M SURE NINTENDO HAS LEARNED THEIR LESSON THEY SAID
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LITERALLY BOSS STICKERS
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>objects for specific boss fights

Welp it's LITERALLY sticker star with a coloring book aesthetic.
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>Real Life objects are still forced down your throat.

THEY LEARNING NOTHING

NOTHING
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>>341504629
I'm not addresaing your point because I can't believe you are serious.
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>>341490995
I can't believe what Paper Mario turned into. It crushes my soul into dust mixed with chili and shat out by a rhino. I remember the old days when they didn't slap both your cheeks and fucking slammed a piece of fucking paper in your face and said THIS IS PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPER MAAAAAAAARIO. And gave him scissors and fucking fans, literally real life objects into the game.

WHY NINTENDO WHY. LET IT DIE ALREADY PLEAAAAAASE. STOP STEPPING ALL OVER IT ITS ALREADY FUCKING DEAD!!!
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Most of the game looks like shit, but I can at least admit using draining color to represent the life bar is a pretty clever design choice.
Still, what a shitshow.
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judging by his color, that extinguisher did like 85% damage.
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KOOPALINGS AND MANDATORY THINGS
PAINT POT WILL JUDGE YOU IF YOU DON'T USE THEM
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BOSS DESTROYING SPECIALTY ITEMS FUCK FUCK FUCK
Oh, and Morton said 'Master' so Bowser's the villain again.
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>>341504701
Did you miss the fight just now where the boss just one shots you until you choose the right sticker and then instantly win?
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>>341501828
Just hack your Wii U, there's still time to block updates. You can even play games you legally own online without any interference since the IOSU exploit hasn't been released.
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>>341504146
I have played it, it's called sticker star
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Hey is it bad if i haven't played a paper mario game and think this looks decent
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This is the last fucking straw, I'm done with Nintendo forever. Video games are dead.
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>>341504494
PAPER TOADS
:^))))))))))))))))))
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>>341504814
>actually listening to shills

You're just as fucking retarded anon. The same faggots are probably defending that shit yet again
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>>341504764
Koopalings are an easy out and they don't have to think up anything new.
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>>341504764
Maybe because Rosa is one single toon character and not 8. Also i hate that forced waifubait.
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post yfw
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>>341504146
It's funnier when you post the Bowser image.
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welp
there's that I guess, there goes my "I might buy it" to "fuck you miyamoto"

Nintendo just keeps getting worse, they're the one fucking company that has people telling them what to do and what they want and they still fuck it up.
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I bought Super Paper Mario because I loved the franchise at the time - #1 and TTYD were great.
I bought Sticker Star because I desperately hoped I'd enjoy it.
I'm not buying any more Paper Mario games.

Clearly the only criticism that Nintendo appreciates is a loss in sales.

Seriously, there's no exp in this game, there's stickers again, the color thing is a gimmick with nothing fun about it, and the NPCs are all generic toads. These are all things (aside from the color shit) that people complained about last game and what did Nintendo do?

They did it again.
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>>341504625
Tell me if I missed anything, I came in late.
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Holy shit, a toad with a different design!
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>>341505194
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>>341505194
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>>341505063

no I posted before that happened... ugh that's shitty
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>>341504625
fuck it's the entire card
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>>341504676
He hasn't really talked much in previous games.
None of them have.
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So what are they fucking up this time?
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Oh, and there are some interesting scenarios as well.

Sticker Star had plenty as well, but it's nice to see them return.
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>there's a lot of unique characters
/v/ btfo
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>>341505292
I didn't even fucking buy Sticker Star and I hated it.
Some Anon posted a bunch of codes he got from Club Nintendo and I redeemed Sticker Star.
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>>341505175
>8
Bowser Jr. isn't a koopaling, dude.
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>>341504634
STILL no Monster Hunter on Vita
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I am done with this shitty company god fucking dammit. I am seriously considering putting my Wii U on craigslist or something.

Yes, I am fucking mad.
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Some of these attack animations are pretty creative too.
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>>341505194
see
>>341501806
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>That fucking duracell battery

Neo IS was legit high at their parties while they made this game.
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>>341505194
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>>341504045
The combat itself seemed fine in SS. Not being able to choose targets wasn't even an issue if you actually used the slots. No exp is not a problem in itself either. Money is a fine substitute if there's something good to spend it on. It's just that most people seem to hate the idea of consumable attacks (aka weapon durability in a sense), and you could only use coins to buy stickers (and use the slots which were easily abused anyway).

Unlike most games in with weapon durability though, it was too easy to circumvent combat entirely and they gave you way too many weapons so that it was rarely a problem anyway. Even if you did get into a normal battle, you could run away at no cost and the enemy would despawn. Furthermore, coins weren't very valuable because almost all stickers were available for free and were a renewable resource in stages.

These issues could be easily fixed. Everyone hating on consumable attacks and no exp just wants the same shit over and over. Hating on the lack of story or unique characters is fine. I don't really care about either of those, but I can understand that other people do.
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Wait, that dragon is new, isn't it?
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