So this fucking thing is starting to hit europoor shelves, and it's price is nowhere near these fucking 400 USD.
FIVE HUNDRED FUCKING EURO.
This asian-faced jew is literally pulling legs left, right and center.
>>341487025
And... of course, I meant that about the fucking 1070.
God, I'm so fucking pissed off.
1070s are supposed to start at 380 but they're all in the 400+ price range. Blame the founders edition, manufacturers only have to make their cards somewhat cheaper than reference to sell and when the reference card costa an arm and a leg....
>new video cards are expensive during the first two months of release
Meanwhile, birds fly!
>>341487025
$600 USD or $750 AUSTRALIAN DOLLARS
>>341487952
I dont understand why people are rushing to buy these video cards in the first place.
what fucking game are you playing that absolutely requires you to have a 1080 or even a 1070?
nothing. thats what.
just fucking wait until blackfriday or something when the cards will be $100 or so cheaper.
>>341487783
Yeah, I'm completely fine with that.
But $380, $400 and even fucking $600 are literally nowhere fucking near 500 euro.
This is complete retardation. It's almost blizzard level jewelery:
>game costs 50 burger dollars
>it's fucking 50 euro just because you live in Europe
Wtf is this? How does it even make sense? Are all these companies just built on the premise "we can get away with anything"?
>>341488463
same idiots that wait in line to buy consoles on launch when it doesn't even have any games. not to mention the first edition versions tend to have the most problems which get ironed out later.
>>341488898
This is a new trend it seems. The days where 1€ = 1$ where the "good" days, those days are now long gone.
Its the same with google nexus smartphones.
6P is 499$ or something but 649€
>don't mind me, just the Final Solution to your problem
>>341488964
You know that some people specifically buy the first few version exactly BECAUSE of problems? The first versions of consoles are most likely the ones that will be exploitable.
>>341488463
>black friday
>literally fighting with 10 thousand niggers to the death for a single piece of tech just to get a 10-12% discount
Black friday is about the most pleb thing I can ever imagine. I'd probably go to a BF sale if I'm able to get everything for free and get a chance to creampie the anus of Jessica Alba, but I wouldn't do it otherwise.
It's just not worth it.
>>341489203
>inb4 'poo'
>inb4 'amd is for poor fags'
>inb4 fuck off shill
i for one am excite for raj to gently handle me like a lover should
>>341489203
>tfw paying 500 euro to nvidia is better than this scrapheap of poo-in-gpu driverless shit
Okay, should I go with a classic rope hanging or just cut them wrists like a proper emo?
>>341489889
>can't even shoot himself
europoors sure are retarded, driverless AMD is an old meme
>>341490082
I can actually, got my makarov in the same drawer where I keep my pants.
Got a double-barreled shotgun too, an old Russian one.
You know, anon, Eastern Europe is not as cucked as Germanistan. Not yet.
>>341490082
But is it really? I'm asking a dead serious question here.
>>341488463
>what fucking game are you playing that absolutely requires you to have a 1080 or even a 1070
STOP IT. STOP FUCKING POSTING this same ignorant faggot shit in every goddamn thread about GPU's, you poor faggot retards. Let's examine why this shitty generic opinion needs to die:
1) Not everybody is a poorfag idiot who buys a bargain basement 1080p/60hz monitor when PC gaming allows for 1440p/4k/21:9/144hz+ monitors, all of which need more power but are infinitely better than 1080p/60hz
2) Ever been in a thread looking up parts for that new PC you wanted to build and heard waitfags shouting "WAIT FOR LE PASCAL/POLARIS" constantly? Imagine seeing that months and months ago and waiting because the current cards suck and then waiting another half a year when they finally come out. No fucking thanks.
2) Not everyone who upgrades or is looking to build an entirely new PC just did so a year ago, there are people who have waited a hell of a long time to upgrade and want something powerful when they do, not just some cheap-ass 970-level piece of garbage.
3)Waiting half a year or more to save $100 is fucking pathetic. If $100 means so much to you then just buy nothing but old shit in bargain bins for the rest of your life and don't even worry about PC gaming at all because it's obviously too rich for your blood.
>>341489465
>literally fighting
what the fuck are you talking about?
you do know you can buy stuff online during black friday, right?
im guessing you dont and still think black friday sales are online in stores.
>check local store prices (souther europe)
>889 Euros
Fuck that, I'm keeping my 980.
>>341487025
top
lel
>>341488463
>what fucking game are you playing that absolutely requires you to have a 1080 or even a 1070
Just about any game worth playing that will be coming in current year or the next two years.
But more importantly, it's not a question of "what game needs a 1070".
It's about "who needs a 1070". And I'll tell you what - just about every gtx770 owner out there. I know, cause I am one.
>>341488898
Protip: Companies like Blizzard who use $1 = 1€ actually get less money from EU sales than from US sales because of the pricing due to current exchange rates. At the moment, 1€ = $1.13. However, there's a 20-25% VAT included in the EU price. In the US, sales tax isn't collected for digital goods (feel free to correct me if there are states that do). So Blizzard only gets 75-80% for every € you pay. 0.8€ is already only $0.90.
1070s are expensive in Europe for this reason as well. There is also the founders edition shit going on. AIB partners went full jew and decided to charge the same amount, if not more, for their custom cards as for the founders edition cards. Retailers could also be behind it, but that's a bit less likely. This is made possible by the low supply of 1070s/1080s. There is no proper competition when all the cards sell at a high price like that. There is no reason to price them lower.
>>341491453
>In the US, sales tax isn't collected for digital goods
Have you got any actual proof of that?
>>341491314
im a GTX 770 owner and I dont need one.
sure, playing games like witcher 3 isnt running at a constant 60fps but its still playable.
>>341487025
Just wait for Xbox Scorpio
>>341487025
it's vat, silly
>>341492274
Let's be honest here. I've got the 2gb version and it's not fucking aging well.
2gb of vram is really not enough for freshly released vidya.
>>341492396
>price with vat is 500 euro
>general vat tax rate is about 20%
>so, price without vat is 400 euro
So, is 400 euro equal to $400, you god damn fucking moron?
>>341491314
>>341492714
This desu
>Tfw have to set everything to low to achieve 60fps with recent games
>>341492098
Sales tax isn't included in prices like it is in Eurabia. It's added after the fact by states.
For example, in my wonderful state of Washington, a $60 game costs me about $66.
$619 CAD
$619 CAD
$619 CAD
$619 CAD
$619 CAD
>>341487025
lmao at your life poorfag, try not being poor then you wouldn't feel the need to complain
>>341493356
Who pays the tax in the end? If it's you, it doesn't really matter when, how and why it's paid.
>>341492098
Looks like more states have started taxing digital goods as well, but there still seem to be a bunch that don't. Not a murrikan so it's not a thing I keep up with.
https://www.avalara.com/learn/whitepapers/identification-taxability-of-digital-products/
>California does not specifically define digital goods for sales tax purposes.
>California does not affirmatively tax digital images or digital books based on their lack of physicality.
California is where Blizzard HQ is located, though that doesn't really mean their sales go through there. I'm sure they have their ways of evading taxes.
>>341493356
But do you pay that sales tax when you buy from steam?
>$100 extra for the shitty reference cooler
>>341489465
That's the mythical, TV version of black friday. I got my PS4 last black friday, and none of that shit went down. Hell, I got there near the end of the day and they still had plenty of systems and games, the lines were just longer than normal at checkout.
Supposedly it's pretty shit when they open the doors and the people flood in, but there's little reason to go through that when you can just show up later in the day. Unless you just MUST HAVE one of those shitty "first 100 people in the store" bargain crap deals.
>>341493816
Isn't that something like a state-sanctioned distortion of competition?
You can buy a game free of tax if it's a digi copy and get your ass taxed if you buy physical. That's strange.
>>341489203
Can't fucking wait. Here's hoping its more or less how its advertised.
I just hope it won't come with poo stains.
>>341487025
thumbnail is a nascar driver standing in front of his new car
>>341488463
>what fucking game are you playing that absolutely requires you to have a 1080 or even a 1070?
What? I have my 1080 ordered, and I'm upgrading from an 8800 Ultra. So basically every current game in existence outside of indie needs better, and these are the new cards that'll last me a bit. Why would I get something from last gen at this point? Also, why should I wait months more? New cards are out now, I'm long past ready to upgrade.
>>341494278
I suppose so.
I imagine most states will move on to taxing digital goods eventually, considering more and more money is being spent of those.
And I happened to find the states that collect sales tax from digital games from blizzard's site. Not like it really affects the point I made, since the EU price includes tax and the US price doesn't.
>>341494004
>shitty
It's a really fucking good cooler though you dumb faggot, and it's a blower. Now, if your build supports an open then yeah, you can go cheaper and get solid performance and that's fine. But a lot of SFF and other specialized builds benefit a lot from a really good blower, and it's worth a small premium to get it. Don't need that niche? No problem, Nvidia doesn't insist or punish you in any way.
>>341495098
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9J91Iq52Bk
enjoy you're 140dB and thermal throttling
>latvia
>700 euros for 1080 palit
Fuck no. Seriously, it's just too much.
>>341494790
Some sort of national online sales tax is probably only a matter of time, it's got broad support not just from legislators and various groups but from businesses themselves, because dealing with a billion localized taxes is giant expensive pain in the ass. From a business perspective the accounting is a bigger hassle, if they could just slap on an extra few percent (and since it'd be for everyone they wouldn't lose competitively vs anyone else either), fire that off to whatever state and have that be the end of it they'd be a lot happier. Business mainly cares that
1) It applies to every business the same
2) It's super simple and once they do with it they're off the hook for giving a shit in any other way
>>341487025
That's why you buy consoles and not a pc.
Join the Netbook+Console masterrace.
Love my Wii U+PS4+XPS 13 combo. Can play everything I want.
What I want to know is if the 1070 or 480 can max out 1440p at 144hz. I don't give a solid fuck about 4K. I just want it all to look good and play smooth.
I don't want to buy an overkill card like the 1080 just for 1440p.
>>341495302
Ebin maymay my respected friend, you may consider our fedoras tipped.
>>341495852
>What I want to know is if the 1070 or 480 can max out 1440p at 144hz
What I want to know is why people like you are so god damned fucking retarded. Your question doesn't even have an answer since it's not even a real question. Fuck it's going to be a long 3 months until you leddit dipshits go back to school.
Your problem is living in Europe, they don't give a fuck about you
Even worse if you're Canadian or Australian
>>341495852
No, not even the 1080 will do 144hz consistently. at 1440p. We don't even have real 480 benchmarks.
Do you know why they call it the GTX 1080?Because you turn 1080 degrees and walk away
>>341489668
yee
i am conflicted, though, because of my hatred towards poo in loos
will buy whatever the fuck is better at the least wattage and best performance for under 250
>>341496143
It's not summerfags. This stuff is normal, and has been normal for several years now.
>>341496246
Shit man, for real? Then what the fuck are those faggots who boast having consistent 144hz at 1440p running?
>>341496143
Because it wasn't a fucking question you falseflagging shitbird, it was a statement.
>>341496752
>Because it wasn't a fucking question you falseflagging shitbird, it was a statement.
Saying you "want to know something" implies that you don't know it, which makes it a question. Also nice memespam, what exactly did you think I was "false flagging" here you underage retard?
And as I said, everything you wrote in that post was fundamentally retarded, because "max out" is an utterly meaningless statement. Can one of these cards draw a simple spinning cube at 1440p144? Yeah, no problem. Could they render a Blizzard CG cinematic at 144 FPS at even VGA? Nope. Do you understand now why what you said was completely stupid? That without asking about a specific game or engine it means literally nothing?
>>341487025
Wait for Scorpio..
>>341487783
>be 560ti poorfag
>read that 1070s are dropping for $380
>save up $400 for a 1070 just in case
>"jk they're $449 now xD"
I'M FUCKING PISSED
>>341496752
>Then what the fuck are those faggots who boast having consistent 144hz at 1440p running?
Games from 5 years ago at low-med settings
>>341497163
>Alternatively, the RX480. This one will probably take even longer before you can get one. Also I'm not sure what to think about the whole driver stuff. Everybody says different things regarding that.
Launch is the end of the month. At the very least, at that point or shortly thereafter you'll have reputable reviews and can make the determination about whether it's worth trying to get one or to go for a 1070 instead.
FWIW, the RX480 will probably NOT be in particularly short supply because it's a small GPU, AMD is specifically aiming for mid-range with it. By "small GPU" I mean the actual, physical GPU chip in square millimeters. Smaller GPUs are much easier to reliably fabricate early in a process' lifetime since a higher defect rate will still leave plenty of harvestable chips from a wafer. With the 1080/1070 Nvidia is probably at least somewhat constrained purely by fabrication yield challenges (and even the 1080/1070 is smaller and more cut down then the top end Pascal going into Tesla/Quadros, the GP100 one that has HBM2). AMD will have an easier time, just because they're starting with a smaller chip that's lower end focused.
Drivers though I have no idea about, for that you'll have to wait for it to actually launch.
>>341498001
Fuck, I've been rused.
Can I at least achieve 144hz with newer games at 1080p with the newer cards?
RX480 already gonna cost 250+ Euro here so I don't even care anymore
>>341489203
AMD is the only company that properly prices tech in EU/UK
>>341488463
All these people rushing for the 1070/1080 will get rekt by the 1060, 1060Ti and 1080Ti...scheduled for December
>>341498372
Look up benchmarksNoSome games get close but the answer is still no unless you want to turn down settings a bit
>>341498795
>1060 being anything other than terrible
laughingelfman.tff
Where are you finding them for 500 euros, I'm only seeing 600+ here in Dutchfag land. Apparently it costs 100+ Euros to ship those things here and to make a slight profit :'^)
>>341498372
Depends on the game and settings, seriously. You need to go look at actual reviews at a good site (like Anandtech) of games you are actually interested, or at least proxies (ie., games that use the same core engine, like UE4 or Crytek or Frostbite or whatever). How different engines scale to different cards can vary wildly, because it really comes down to developer priorities and how well they can optimize until the game is quite old. Also, you need to consider minimum vs average framerates and stuff like that.
One of these might well be able to reach 144 FPS in a game like BF4 or Farcry 4 at 1440p on high settings, for reference a non-OC'd 980 Ti could hit around 80 FPS 2560x1440 Ultra. But others may run worse (or better).
>>341498909
I just can't fucking win.
All the people posting in this thread do know that Amerifat prices never have any sales tax and that VAT is not a thing here, right? Also the Euro "single market" never got completed, there are still regulatory barriers for a lot of stuff particularly IP which reduces the possibilities for scaling significantly below what they should be.
Those two things usually account for most US/EU price differentials right there.
>>341497542
>Saying you "want to know something" implies that you don't know it
True
>which makes it a question
No it doesn't, you fucking faggot
Get out, you dumb cirnoposter
>>341499862
>Used to get 1:1 in MSRP about 5-8 years ago
>1:1.more now
When was the last time the dollar was even stronger than the euro? Wolfram alpha says not in the past 10 years at least.
Meanwhile in Canada
>>341488463
my old card broke 4 days ago
im not gonna buy old tech for shit value
fuck off
>>341500657
better get the one still in stock anon, it'll be months until they get more
>>341500238
Wonder if there is hedging and credit-default swap insurance already going on. If Brexit happens it's going to be a total clusterfuck on the markets, the mere risk that it might happen means any prudent multinational business has to already be hedging their bets or they're retarded. If they're insuring the risk that the pound/euro will plummet that'd make import prices a lot more expensive then the nominal exchange rate. Too bad the brits look like they might be dumb enough to actually believe the exit meme.
>>341500238
purchasing power parity != exchange rate
purchasing power parity is also not consistent across all sectors of the market
>>341497542
>Do you understand now why what you said was completely stupid? That without asking about a specific game or engine it means literally nothing?
Nobody is asking about maxing out every single game that is out or will be out in the future or stuff that you can't even run, you stupid ass OCD faggot. There's a number of modern titles that are usually considered a benchmarking sample and usually used in most site's show offs: stuff like Witcher 3, GTA V, Crysis 3, some Ass Creed, TW:W etc. Judging by results from the benchmarks based on these games we can honestly say how the card is performing and how it will be able to perform in most current optimized games on max or close to max settings. Stop trying so hard to sound like you understand shit.
>>341500829
Not that anon, but FWIW I've seen really fucking good value once in a while if you look in the right places from people selling off "last gen cards" because they have to have the newest thing and firesale them. One of my friends got a 780 for literally 60% off original MSRP from somebody the day the next one launched because they just wanted to dump it asap. I want modern tech too, but if someone offered to sell me a 980 Ti for $200 yeah I'd just take that.
>>341500657
meanwhile in poorland
that's about 900USD and I'm pretty sure more than the average monthly wage
>>341488463
Star Citizen
>>341501203
>Nobody is asking about maxing out every single game that is out or will be out in the future
>>341495852
>What I want to know is if the 1070 or 480 can max out 1440p at 144hz.
:^)
>>341500829
>shit value
>doesnt know what performance/$ is
>>341497554
Its okay anon, just buy 2 480s and crossfire them
>>341494004
>extra
the founders edition is the cheapest model in most places. The custom models are even more expensive
>>341501564
>crossfire
xD
>>341501017
Yep, luxury elastic goods are going to be quite different from inelastic staples and so on.
866$ here in Norway
>>341500657
>implying canadian funbucks are equivalent to a real currency
with the way your economy going you should insist on getting paid in usd or convert it immediatly
>>341488898
Blame European statism you whiny faggot.
>wahh give me socialist policies
>WHY IS SHIT MORE MONEY?!
>>341488898
Reason 1: Taxes are higher in Europe
(Valve evaded them for a long time but still charged same prices on Steam as everyone else though)
Reason 2: the cost of running a business is higher in Europe.
In the US you don't have to jump through hoops to run a business or employ someone. In Europe you get royally fucked by rules and regulations.. Just look at the French rioting in the streets because of job market reforms. Lazy fucks.
>Price keeps going up for each step graphic improvements become harder to notice
>>341490604
Yes really. Novidya just had a driver release last month or so that ended up bricking a few cards in fact.
>>341490650
You might be a little young for this website.
>>341503919
>In the US you don't have to jump through hoops to run a business or employ someone. In Europe you get royally fucked by rules and regulations.. Just look at the French rioting in the streets because of job market reforms. Lazy fucks.
Spoken like someone who has never actually run a business. There are absolutely lots of regulations and issues to deal with in the US, many of them there for very good reason. There is some variation from state to state too. While some of them are somewhat lower, it's actually not a big (if any) difference between business friendly parts of the US and business friendly countries in the EU. In some ways the US is very business unfriendly particularly to multinationals, like our taxes.
The real major difference is that in the US, however much trouble any given regulation is, there is just ONE set of them and you're done, so you can amortize the costs of compliance across an enormous potential market. There is an actual genuine Single Market. In principle, the EU was supposed to do something similar, but in practice it's failed in many many different areas and now in fact appears to be regressing in the opposite direction. So businesses are forced to deal with many different sets of regulations and bits of bullshit across many smaller split markets (language barriers and such aren't helpful either).
>>341495873
47dB(A) is loud as fucking hell you twerp
Anything over 40 is unacceptable.
>>341487025
it says "$699" on the image
can you read lad?
>>341507134
You're retarded.
Can you figure out why you're retarded, or do you need it explained too?
>>341507635
That's rich coming from the guy arguing that reference blower coolers are anything but awful noise-wise.
>>341487025
>He can't read.
No shit it's 500€ cuz it's the fouders edition you twat.
And the customs are not even out nor even remotely big times in stock so they can press the price down.
Nor would there be a reason for it since the 400€ price is only RECOMMNEDED but not enforced
Now fuck off. Shit thread
my video card sounds like a fucking car engine :(
>>341507987
Actually that was a different anon, but you're still retarded, Nvidia's reference blower easily rivals top tier open coolers. Maybe this will help you understand where you went wrong.
>>341507987
>he thinks he's responding to the same person despite responding to a post that was over an hour old
You're even more retarded than I thought.
Jet engines are pretty loud, aren't they? Do you know why they're not quite as loud when the plane is several kilometres up in the air? That's because the distance between you and the jet engine is pretty big. Now let's apply it to this measurement. Measure the noise from close to the card, and we get a big number. Measure it from further away, and we get a smaller number. Amazing!
Noise measurements tell you absolutely nothing unless you know the distance they were conducted from. The picture doesn't say what the distance was, so you can't make any conclusions about what the absolute noise levels are like. The only thing it allows you to do is compare different cards.
>>341487025
Just wait for the next Xbox
The only thing that's a teraflop here is Nvidia.
>>341509054
No it doesn't, at lest not on the 980. At the same noise level it results in 20°C higher load temps.
You could turn down the fans on an open-cooler card significantly and end up with the same temperatures.
