How skill-based is Overwatch?
I'm thinking about getting it, but I'm concerned this game panders too much to lower-skill players by making their game too easy.
Will a player consistently beat a less skilled player? Or does this game have some Nintendo-esque system that lets bad players perform on par with good players?
There's very little rubber banding. The better team wins. However you'll be plagued with idiots on your team picking 3 snipers on an assault map and will feel like you've lost unfairly.
Biggest problem is "favour the shooter" netcode which can be bullshit.
>Or does this game have some Nintendo-esque system that lets bad players perform on par with good players?
Yeah.
Genji exists.
>>341421596
This game BEFORE ALL ELSE, is a team based shooter. No matter how good you are, if your team is literal shit, and you are the godliest FPS player alive, you will lose.
So skill, strategy, and team hero composition matter, but only increasingly so in team/competitive play.
>>341421596
I'm a guy who absolutely sucks at sniping and I do well with widowmaker so that's saying something.
it's multiplayer
the skill ceiling is how fast the enemy widowmaker can click your body compared to how fast you can click their body
yes, it's skill-based
>>341421735
But idiotic players will be filtered out once the ranked mode comes out, right?
>>341421829
But if you play good, you will have a higher w/l than someone who plays badly?
>>341421886
As far as hard core twitch aiming goes, the game is generous in a lot of instances. Not like super obvious, but it's there if that's what you look for. That being said, the overall objective and your use of abilities/coordination with your team is generally more important overall. There's skill, nothing is rubberbanding you or acting as a random element, but you won't find scoring headshots the meat of your skill here. You'll get those like candy.
>>341421829
Also I forgot to answer your questions.
>Will a player consistently beat a less skilled player?
If you are playing the same character, 1v1, of course. But again, it's a team game. Also some characters counter others easily. It's going to be hard to kill a tank character with a healer, but is not impossible.
>Or does this game have some Nintendo-esque system that lets bad players perform on par with good players?
No level or damage scaling. But I do think matchmaking attempts to group players based on hours played. Not sure about wins/losses though.
>>341421596
not very, not from what i have noticed. i have seen lvl 40s who get totally shit on by me and i fucking suck.
>>341421596
Depends on how shit your team is and how good the opponent is. When faced with decent opponents, the amount of skill you need to carry your team increases exponentially for every member of your team that is a brain dead retard.
>>341422308
>lvl 40s
wow
its fucking nothing
>>341422101
>But idiotic players will be filtered out once the ranked mode comes out, right?
I sure hope so. But it will probably take a while for players to adjust to their actual ranks though. Expect some sort of low elo hell
>>341422101
>But if you play good, you will have a higher w/l than someone who plays badly?
Depends on your team dude. But it would make sense that playing good allows you to win more lol.
>play rock
>get countered by paper
>play paper
>get countered by scissor
>play scissor
>get countered by rock
so much skill
>>341422192
>It's going to be hard to kill a tank character with a healer
This is literally Zenyattas job. Healer/Tank Fucker
>>341421596
When did people stop playing games for fun, and instead to prove how much skill they have in a fucking video game of all things?
>>341421596
i think this game is ridiculously easy. Played for 2 weeks then dropped it. Wanted more challenge.
>>341422457
Game doesn't really have "hard counters", with few exceptions
Until you can beat the best players in the world, the game isn't too easy for you yet
>>341422457
i pretty much hate the fact you can swap heroes anytime just to counter someone, i remember matches with people swapping at least 4 time just to fit in a certain situation after reaching a certain point
>>341422101
>But if you play good, you will have a higher w/l than someone who plays badly?
not really. the game will work to keep you around 50% winrate.
>>341421596
>but I'm concerned this game panders too much to lower-skill players by making their game too easy.
I don't understand this argument.
Surely if the game is accessible with a low skill-floor then the exceptional players will dominate it even harder than a regular FPS.
I mean a good sniper player using Widow in this game is a nightmare because her design enables them so hard.
>>341422491
I get enjoyment from outperforming people. It makes me happy to know that my hard work has paid off and allowed me to beat the enemy.
I still have fun with games like Mario Party where RNG pretty much decides who wins, but I have more fun beating people in tests a of skill.
>>341422775
shill fuck off.
>>341422782
Good point m8.
>>341422775
Basically I don't want some retard thinking he's a better player than me because he got more luck than I did. Maybe that's me being too egotistical, but I can't really change that.
>>341422491
???
You have fun by winning, it's not fun to lose.
You win by being skillful, it's fun to dominate people.
le 'everyones a winner just have fun guys xD' is for children.
>>341421808
Genji has by far the highest skill floor in the game.
>>341423070
>le blah blah is for children
>still plays video games
wew
>>341422535
Can you expand on that? What made it too easy?
>>341423037
>luck
there is more RNG in CSGO
>>341423070
>only reward or mention people for playing the objective
>this makes it a hugbox
>this means everyone is a winner
you'v never been in a game so shitty only 3 cards were given and they wre all the enemy team?
>>341423179
Why are you on /v/ if you think video games for children?
By your logic any form of leisurely entertainment is for children.
>>341422757
So it will put you in matches where you are pretty guaranteed to lose? That's lame.
>>341423037
>because he got more luck than I did
Are there literally ANY RNG elements in Overwatch?
>>341423148
>highest skill floor
Alrighty then
>>341423338
>Are there literally ANY RNG elements in Overwatch?
I guess not by your response, but is there anything like that? Like things that make bad players better for no reason?
>>341423318
forced 50 is a meme
im at 64% WR at ~500 games
>>341421596
If we look at the gunplay by itself it's really nothing special and deliberately designed to be accessable for most players.
>>341423517
to play soccer, all you need is a functional leg
>>341423338
tick rate hitbox
>>341423569
Sure. And like soccer I do think that Overwatch succeeds when it comes to teamplay. Accessing the situation and forming a team good enough to counter the opposition at any given time does make for an interesting mechanic.
I just wish that they'd refine the gunplay and certain other elements (like bullshit hitboxes) to make it an actually viable game for competitions. And don't get me started on the whole tick rate disaster.
>>341423637
>>341424000
If you knew about the tick rate problem before buying the game, would you still buy it?
>>341421596
game has level system so if you start with lvl 1 you can be an idiot and still have fun
>>341424180i knew about it
>>341423637
yeah sometimes you really notice that 20 ticks
like in ever 10th game one death because of ticks
>>341423338
The only truly bullshit rng i can think of is cowboyman hammering you from midrange and actually headshotting you
Thats pretty bullshit but at least it got nerfed
>>341424419
Fan the hammer has never been able to headshot.
>>341424419
You do know that skill does the exact same damage on headshots as it does on bodyshots right?
Is there no team deathmatch mode? I think the game looks fun for a casual shooter but the capture and hold the glowing rectangle type modes always bore me quickly. That and the $60 price tag on consoles is outrageous. I honestly thought this was a $20 title for the longest time before looking it up.
>>341424350
you mean like every second death you notice the tickrate.
>>341424732
Do you seriously take everything you see on /v/ at face value or something.
Do you think the yearly CoDs cost 300 dollars as well because the limited edition special care package versions are that expensive.
The game is 40 freedom bucks.
>>341424732
>healers and tanks in game
>team deathmatch
>>341424732
No. The game is built around objectives, not merely killing and it should stay that way. You can also push a payload if you prefer.
>>341421808
That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard
>>341424180
Good question. I have played around 50 hours so far and I'm still enjoying it. I would have to say no, but not because of the online play but rather the lack of content (not enough maps).
Also, if I were looking for a competitive game in the first place then absolutely not. Blizzard did make a video about online play before the actual release, explaining tick rate and their idiotic concept of "favorising the shooter" so I knew what to expect.
>>341424775
No, every death you notice the fact that you are playing an online shooter with lag.
20 tickrate is an issue, but people have started attributing plain old lag as "tickrate" it's just the new meme word now.That's not even mentioning the fact that projectiles have far larger hitboxes than they seem to
>>341424419
Fan the Hammer can never headshot. It isn't possible because it never was coded into it.
This just shows you spoke out of your ass.
>>341424732
a team deathmatch would be unbalanced since not every hero is capable of making lots of damage when others can wipe out tanks in seconds
How good is Torbjorn on attack and defense?
>>341424732
TDM
Good fucking luck having that and then running around as all Tracers.
>>341425001
He is literally a god if you have good placement his turret is deadly accurate and can look in every direction
>>341421596
The core gameplay is fine and rewards skillful play. The abilities however ruin this, specifically ones which can either whiff completely, or kill you instantly if they catch you off-guard.
>>341424921
>the lack of content (not enough maps)
I heard that they are planning on releasing new characters and maps for free later on. If they do do this, would the $40 price tag be worth it?
just by looking at it i can tell it's too easy. it's super casual. this is the world we live in now. everything has to be accessible
>>341423476
Well some ultimates counter certain characters pretty hard, but they're ultimates, that's what they're for.
For example Soldier76 aimbot ultimate counters high mobility characters, but then again he literally shouts I'M GONNA SHOOT EVERYTHING and you can get out of his line of sight to counter it back.
>>341421596
>I'm concerned this game panders too much to lower-skill players by making their game too easy.
If it's too easy then you can easily steamroll shitty players right? I mean if that's what keeping you out I don't understand. Too bad it's a team game then.
>Or does this game have some Nintendo-esque system that lets bad players perform on par with good players?
Damn you really think highly of yourself don't you?
If the opponent is bad then they are bad. It is goddamn obvious when you are in a game.
>>341425187
How exactly is being punished for not paying attention not rewarding skillful play? You'd prefer a get out of jail free card for everyone?
>>341425352
It's no quake, but there's still a very clear difference between good and shit players.
>>341425368
why do ultimates need to exist in an fps?
>>341424826
I have no idea what point you're trying to make. And the game is $60 on consoles, as I stated.
>>341424853
>>341424963
Makes sense. I forgot the heroes were class based in this. I don't watch much youtube.
I still don't know if I should buy this game or not.
I've been thinking about it for weeks now.
>>341421596
It's not very skill based. It's all a matter of getting a team that aren't complete mouthbreathing idiots though.
>>341425462
Because they were a part of the game they wanted to make. Why shouldn't they be allowed to exist?
>>341425240
If they deliver on their promises, potentially yes.
This is the first Blizzard game I own so I don't know how good their support actually is.
>>341425510
just get it nigger it's fun
>>341425462
They don't need to, but they do in this game. It rewards syncing with your team, which can be pretty satisfying.
>>341425557
I already got the game.,
some heros are easy to learn but hard to master.
>Will a player consistently beat a less skilled player?
The question isnt the right one to ask.
in a 1v1 a very skilled player may lose to a less skilled player if the latter uses his ultimate or just straight up hard counters him
but sincd it's a team based 6v6 game it depends more on how well coordinated your team is
>>341425510
>It's all a matter of getting a team that aren't complete mouthbreathing idiots though.
>it's not skill based
>it's based on having teammates who are more skilled than the enemy
Nigga you high?
>>341421596
Not very skill based, even on PC. Why? Worst netcode ever. I literally have never played a game with a netcode as bad as this. Even fucking Black Ops3 has a better netcode.
>>341425462
because Blizzard wants the dota 2 crowd.
>>341425452
that's the same with any game and that's not what i was saying. it just looks like it's not fun or rewarding. it looks like training wheels and pre school and a peanut butter and jelly sandwich
>>341425519
Their track record the past 10 years has been incredibly garbage, so the chances are low.
>>341425462
Why not?
>>341425631
My bad it was meant for >>341425489
Hey >>341425489 just get the game nigger
>>341425645
>bop3 has fucking peer to peer
>still has better netcode than fucking Blizzard servers
HOW CAN YOU FUCK UP THIS HARD?
Quickmatch places you with a team that tries to force a 50% Winrate. Win too much, and you'll find yourself with godlike opponents and paste munching teammates. lose too much and you'll be pitted against human vegetables. Blizzard will deny this to hell and back, because matchmaking like this is so the casual players don't go on a losing streak so bad they stop playing.
It's rumored that ranked play will match players by their skill level instead of trying to force a winrate, but only time will tell.
>>341425638
People want to be able to 1v6 the whole team here. Hence the question is it skill-based.
They aren't talking about anything else but themselves.
>>341425638
Im talking about basic stuff like teamwork and not tanking as a healer. That's not skillbased. It's just pure logic.
>>341425765
>bop3 has fucking peer to peer
Are you serious? I thought they changed that?
Glad I didn't get that game.
>>341425443
I just don't want to die then get called a garbage player even though the person who killed me didn't do anything special.
Like in Mario Party, if you lose because you didn't roll a high enough number, it's not really fair to be called a bad player. But people will do it anyway and that really gets me pissed off. Which I want to avoid, hence making this thread.
>>341425902
So what your saying
Is that your team needs to be better (more skilled) at picking heroes and roles than the enemy team?
So back to my original question, nigga you high or what?
>>341425557
50 cad is a lot of cash and I'm afraid I won't play it for very long.
>>341425842
>Quickmatch places you with a team that tries to force a 50% Winrate. Win too much, and you'll find yourself with godlike opponents and paste munching teammates. lose too much and you'll be pitted against human vegetables.
The nerve of some games, trying to pit me against people with similar skill as me. Fucking retarded mechanic.
>>341425842
>matchmaking attempts to balance teams by putting good players with bad players so a team would have some "average" of skill
What rock have you been living under because this shit's been going on for as long as modern CoDs have existed, it's just way faster to balance teams by some average than it is to try and find a team where all players are on the same level.
>>341426048
What a stupid fuck ass logic.
If you are better then you are goddamn better. That's it. There's no fucking RNG in this fucking game.
It's like you just don't want to be countered at all. Too bad because the game is full of them.
>>341426079
>40 bucks
>a lot of cash
Maybe if you're 13
That's like a tenth of the bills I pay every month
>>341425765
No matter the connection, it's 20 hz on Overwatch. Games like Battlefield 4 allowed server owners to choose their own tick rate, which was absolutely amazing.
It's not "the better team wins" as much as it's "the worse team loses". Wherever I win, I feel it's more due to the other team's incompetence, and when I lose, I feel it's because we were the uncoordinated retards.
In the rare occasion you get a close match where everyone's at the same skill level, the match is decided by things like random luck, who chooses more cheese heroes, whose keyboard doesn't input the command on time etc.
>>341426360
>Games like Battlefield 4
Ironic you should bring that up considering it took them like 2 whole YEARS after release to implement it.
>>341426360
Make sure that when you say that, it didn't take DICE to implement it years after the game was released.
>>341426449
This
Most games are either a shutout or a steamroll, only roughly 10% of games go into overtime being a very close game
>>341421596
Why the fuck dont mods limit the fucking overwatch thread jesus christ get the fuck out of here, 1-3 threads is enough, stop making 10+
>>341421596
There's obviously a skill ceiling, and it's probably pretty high what with map knowledge and movement and shit.
But there's a variety of characters that'll be able to easily fuck with that by pressing Q, so if you're not used to that kind of rudeness it can be fine. Could use some balancing around teamplay though, if a strong strat is to just deploy five turret characters then what's the point in making a team
>>341426348
But if I'm not better, I can improve right? I just don't want to die/loss to the same thing over and over and have no way to stop it.
Also, you mentioned the game being full of counters. Would it be wise to main a single character or would it be better to have a more dynamic character selection.
>>341423318
It's an excuse for mediocre players to feel better about themselves. How would you even create a system that keeps you at 50% w/l, and for what purpose?
>>341426594
But the ranked mode would fix the one-sided matches, right?
>>341426652
>even considering maining a single character in an objective based game
Aight do us all a favor and don't get the game last thing we need is a Torbjor on attack going
>hurr but his my main!
>>341426356
>everyone lives in the US
I'm not the guy you're replying to, but the average salary in my country is around $250, most things like groceries, bills etc are adjusted for it (my monthly bills are around $70) but things like technology and digital goods are priced the same as everywhere. Saying you gave a quarter of your paycheck on a video game would make you a laughing stock.
>>341426642
>5 bastions
>strong strat
It would be an extremely one-sided match, that's for sure, but not on the side of the bastions.
>>341426690
are you retarded? the more you win the harder your opponents are suppose to be. you'll hit a point where you're gonna get outskilled and lose. that's not forcing. that's fucking reality.
>>341426816
Canadians are weird.
>>341421808
I don't get what you tried to achieve with this post. Shit genjis won't be able to do anything, neither for themselves or their team. Shit McCrees, Thorbjorns, Mercy, Lucio will all still be able to contribute. A Good Genji can get rid of enemy healers, snipers and flankers amazingly well.
>>341426690
Customer retention. Casual players outnumber the hardcore ones, it's a fact. A losing streak doesn't bother a hardcore players because they know it shakes out in the long run. If casual player loses too many times in a row, they might quit playing.
If they aren't playing, they aren't thinking about spending a little money on lootboxes, telling their friends about the game, etc.
>>341426785
So it would be like tf2 where you need to constantly switch characters as the match goes on?
>>341426859
Why are you calling me retarded? It's their word, not mine. People seriously believe that there is a conspiracy going on that doesn't allow you to get above 50% win rate, no matter your skill.
For those people
http://masteroverwatch.com/leaderboards/pc/us/winrate
>>341424542
>Fan the hammer has never been able to headshot.
Yes it can.
Go try shit out in the practice range before you spout falsehoods.
>>341426837
depends on the map.
had to fight 4 bastions 1 mercy and a winston as attacker on kings row and they were so well positioned, that you couldnt hit one without being hit by the other one
winston fucked up our ults that couldnt hit all of them anywys because they were stretched out too much.
honestly I don't know what I should have done.
as genji I got rekt in the back or by winston
hanzo/widow maker just couldn't hit one of them without exposing
just rushing on the point didn't do it
>>341427053
sorry famalam I misread that.
>>341424958
>Fan the Hammer can never headshot. It isn't possible because it never was coded into it.
You're the one speaking out of your ass.
FtH does headshot and still can.
>>341427189
>>341421596
The skill-ceiling is absolutely ridiculous.
With Junkrat, for exmaple, sticky jumping doesn't have any correct physics or requires any precision unlike Demoman in TF2, and it also doesn't hurt you. You can test this by just putting a mine onto a walk, face height, it will still send you almost streight into the air.
>>341427146
>honestly I don't know what I should have done.
Kill the Bastions. There is no configuration of Bastions that would give them permanent protection.
You guys probably streamed in one by one and couldn't snipe for shit.
>>341422638
>our team is a balanced team
>meet a team full of genjis/widowmakers
>we're forced to switch to full winston to fuck them all up
>they eventually go balanced no stacking team
Why this game allows stacking in the first place is beyond me, those matches are never fun.
>>341421596
it is not too easy. theirs only 6 people on a team. you have a HUGE responsibility to live up to your part and not let the team down. there is no holding back or slowing down. if you are a weak link, you let the whole team down. it's not easy because RANDOMS FUCKING SUCK
>>341427146
>>341427146
>hanzo/widow maker just couldn't hit one of them without exposing
Without exposing what? Themselves, I assume you mean? Of course not. But widow and hanzo can both deal significantly more damage than a bastion can in the time it takes them to peek out, fire a shot, and leave. Pharah can also do this. So can Junkrat. A Road hog can also pull any of them off their perch. If you're really desperate a D.Va or Rein can stop their attacks for long enough for any of the above heroes and several more to kill them.
The ways to stop him are fucking endless.
>>341427484
The RPS aspect of Overwatch is my biggest problem with it. I like Paladins a lot more in that regard.
>>341427484
>not wanting to all be soldiers now
>>341427484
To avoid players not being able to play the character they want.
(man)children play this game and they would throw a tantrum or try to grief if they don't get what they want.
>>341427146
>that you couldnt hit one without being hit by the other one
Impossible
>>341427708
full cancer
>>341427708
go back to /pdg/ fucker
>>341427708
I had a game where 5 of us picked Soldier and it was super fun. Last dude pickex Hanzo and ended up being credit to team with his Sonic arrows scouting for us. I didnt think I'd care for soldier but I kinda love being overwatch dad.
>>341421596
There is a very clear gap between people who know what they are doing and people who don't
>>341428057
>I didnt think I'd care for soldier but I kinda love being overwatch dad.
That's what a lot of players go through. They buy into the >"boring cawadoody hero" memes and write him off until they try a few games as him and realise that his simplicity is what makes him strong and versatile andfun.
>>341423037
lucky headshots happen all the time but the player will know when it was luck or their skill
>>341427720
>What is a crossfire
>>341423364
isnt skill floor the amount of skill required to be good at a character?
like a low skill floor due to the character being OP
>>341421596
It's a Baby meme shooter for casuals. Map design sucks too. Don't buy
>>341428415
also hitboxes killing around corners
>>341427708
I had that exact teamcomp earlier
>>341428509
>like a low skill floor due to the character being OP
And on the ladder of
>how shit you can be and get away with it
Genj is pretty low, your weapons don't deal insane amount of damage at any range when compared to widowmaker/macree/reaper, ult demands you get in peoples faces to damage them and you need to know when and where you use your bullet deflecting.
Look at someone like soldier 76 then say that Genji has a lower skill FLOOR, we both know you will be lying through your teeth.
What's the highest level you've seen so far? Mine would be 164. How do people do this? I spend all week playing overwatch instead of studying and I'm only at 34.
>>341429292
~230
I'm at ~110 because I was away for 5 days at the start of the month and since the Euro Cup started I've only spent a little time at night playing OW.
>>341428683
>blizzdrone
>cuck
>tickrate
>SJW
>censorship
>ingame shop
>press-Q-to-win
Here, you forgot a few bullshit buzzwords in your generic bait-post.
>>341428509
Skill floor = Minimum amount of skill needed to do well with the character
Skill ceiling = Maximum amount of skill needed to be making the best plays you can with the character
Low skill floor = Wow you got a quad kill as sentry Bastion. Whooooo so impressive. Not. Come on, look at that POTG, how can you sit there thinking that was anywhere close to being impressive?
High skill floor = You are a newbie, why the fuck are you maining a hero you can't even play properly you piece of shit go uninstall the game or repick while there's still time god fucking damnit.
Low skill ceiling = No matter how hard you try, your effectiveness will be no different from typical casual play.
High skill ceiling = Holy fucking shit what the fuck that's bullshit, I didn't even know people could DO that.
>>341429786
>High skill floor = You are a newbie, why the fuck are you maining a hero you can't even play properly you piece of shit go uninstall the game or repick while there's still time god fucking damnit
How to git gud without playing the game/hero?
>>341421596
0 skill. Maybe 1 skill max.
>>341427534
Good thing you can open up the leaderboard and see how much you or your teammates are individual contributing :^)
>>341429783
Press Q to win is true. So is SJW and cuck, but just in general.
>>341431158
>Press Q to win is true.
How to spot a low-MMR shitter with zero awareness and game-sense.
>>341427194
>>341427114
It literally can't crit, whether on heads or Bastion's glowing sphincter. It's broken, but not that broken, if McCree had the potential to do 2500+ damage in 5 seconds this would have been talked about.
>>341427032
Yeah, more so that Tf2. In Tf2 you could pretty much play soldier or demo 100% of the time. In OW there's something to counter every character.
>>341425842
Yes, you won't ascend in MMR by piggybacking off stronger teammates.
Honestly, the matchmaking does try to force a 50% win rate, but those games where you fight against a clearly superior team are the most satisfying to win. And if you can get at least a 3-man premade you can consistently pubstomp.
>>341426449
>random luck, who chooses more cheese heroes, whose keyboard doesn't input the command on time etc
What a mad babber
>>341431529
ow doesnt use mmr yet
its purely based on wins and losses
Just watch some good lucio wall runners
>>341433413
wrong.
>>341433787
Except he's right.
>>341421596
Dont go in expecting an fps, its a first person moba more than anything, theres no getting better when it comes to shooting.
>>341421596
>how skill based is overshilled
Imagine you're playing splatoon
Now imagine if splatoon was 5 times easier, had autoaim, had wallhacks, and other I win buttons. Now imagine that same game, with even less content than splatoon on launch.
Thats what you should expect from overwatch.
>>341434937
>5 times easier, had autoaim,
Even on pc?
>>341435182
None. He's over exaggerating everything.
>>341421596
Yes. It's a shitty casual game aimed at autistic retards and normalfags
>>341435407
But is it still fun?
Like how Legend of Zelda is aimed at kids, but is still pretty fun for other age groups?
>>341435182
Yes, your shots will hit the target even when your aim is nowhere near their bodies.
Someone post the webms, you know the ones.
>>341435306
Blizzdrones have arrived, abandon thread.
>>341436135
Depends. Do you have any friends to play with? If not don't buy this game. Playing solo in OW has been one of the worst experiences I've had in multiplayer games.
>>341422457
>Play rock
>Scissors teammate beats the shit out of enemy paper
Damn, that was easy
I don't know if it's sad, enfuriating or both that most of the dickheads like you will never undertand what a Team objective based shooter is
>>341436165
>Someone post the webms, you know the ones.
I hope someone posts the TF2 ones as well. Also the CS:GO ones. I wanna see the comparison.
>>341427284
>dat image
this is pretty bad but expected with all the porn and shit you can shill a game pretty good.
>>341436632
>enfuriating
>>341436632
Do you really enjoy the fact that most of the game is played out in the character selection screen?
Look at TF2. While it's still a team objective shooter, class A isn't completely useless against class B.
>>341436752
>I hope someone posts the TF2 ones as well.
In TF2 only projectile based weapons have weird hitboxes, while in OW hitboxes are unreasonably huge for all types of weapons.
>>341437014
>infuriating
>adjective UK /Jnˈfjʊə.ri.eJ.tJŋ/ US /Jn>ˈfjʊr.i.eJ.t̬Jŋ/
> extremely annoying:
>It's infuriating when people keep >spelling your name wrong, isn't it?
>>341437037
>In TF2 only projectile based weapons have weird hitboxes, while in OW hitboxes are unreasonably huge for all types of weapons.
So it's ok now if it's TF2? I remember the webm having fuck ass big hitboxes. OW's webm was also a projectile from Hanzo.
>>341437281
What I was trying to say is that the huge projectile hitboxes in TF2 are an issue with only 2 weapons (crussaders crossbow and the huntsman), while OW has huge hitboxes for everything. I'm not saying that "it's okay because it's TF2". Those hitboxes should obviously be changed. But compairing two weapons to 21 different classes is pretty unfair.
>>341421596
Still waiting for someone to get me a free copy of this game.
>>341437037
>In TF2 only projectile based weapons have weird hitboxes, while in OW hitboxes are unreasonably huge for all types of weapons.
The two OW webms everyone loves to post are projectile weapons.
>>341438486
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T25CV23Yu8c
>>341438486
Better video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UU8jqxAiHQ
>>341439132
I suppose I should clarify something people don't seem to understand - projectile weapons use the same enemy hitboxes as hitscan, it's just that they have fat hurtboxes for the projectiles. Not that this makes a functional difference.
>>341423148
Funny joke man, please tell me again.
OP here. In case anyone was wondering, I have decided to buy this game come payday. Thanks /v/
Why do people bitch about all these other characters yet nobody says shit about Hanzo?
He is one of the most broken characters.
A single shot of his arrow can bring down tanks at 60% health.
At close range he just spams his arrows and kicks your ass.
That bullshit multi arrow show that one-shots you.
Nerf this fucking cunt.
>>341440105
I think
it's because
he rewards
high skill
with high
damage
>>341440313
>high skill
>>341440313
>spam fully charged arrows, 2 per second
>high skill
pls
>>341440363
High skill relatively anyway
>>341440313
>Hanzo
>High skill
I hope you are baiting.
>>341421596
You d]on't need much skill to play the game or know how the characters work but team cooperation is absolutely necessary to win. too bad you will almost find none of that in this game.
Is this game frustrating in pub play if you were global in CS:RNGO and tier 4 in Quake Live?
Like say both teams are trying, does that lead to it being unfun because of some OP gimmick low skill class (like Engineer and Heavy in TF2)?
And lets say people are fucking around like it's a deathmatch, can you enjoy the gameplay when one or both the teams aren't trying.
>>341441065
No you need teamplay to win you can't solo carry. Healers and Tanks are necessary.
Very little.
Team comp is 100000x more important.
Let's not kid ourselves, Overwatch is not a very technical or skill based game.
>>341426690
By no means do I think the game is fixed 50, but when you get put into a control match with one loss and the current capture is 75% enemy team to your team's 0, it sure can feel like some shitty matchmaking regardless. Should never be put into an unwinnable scenario at the ass end of a match.
>>341441065
It's more that you can't carry in this game if your team sucks. Personal skill matters very little.
There have also been accusations over the game using a fixed 50% winrate.
You will have fun when the teams are somewhat balanced but as of right now there's this strange trend going on.
You will either be paired with a really good team or a really bad team.
Just like that, black and white, no other options.
Yesterday I had a streak of at least 15 lost games.
You literally have a 50-50 chance to get on the good team.
This happens because most idiots think they can go McRee, Genji, Hanzo, or Reaper all on by themselves and wipe the entire enemy team.
Almost everyone ignores team composition and certainly a lot more ignore the damn objective.
People think it's like COD or TF2 where having more kills matter but this shit doesn't fly here. The sooner people realize this is an actual team game, the sooner the quality of random matches will improve.
>>341441425
>It's another "Hanzo on attack" episode.
>>341441225
>>341441339
I don't care about carrying. I'm that faggot that would just snipe in TF2 payload because it's fun to get hackusations and top the scoreboard literally doing nothing.
I meant is the actual gunplay/gameplay fun on it's own separate from playing the objective?
>>341441597
>I meant is the actual gunplay/gameplay fun on it's own separate from playing the objective?
nope and there is no scoreboard.
>>341441597
Not really. Since the games are played in the 6v6 format, you can't just fuck around. The maps are just long-ass chokepoints. The only thing you can do is play the objective.
>>341441761
>>341441339
>>341441225
hmmm really makes me think
thanks anons
>>341441557
>Hanzo on attack
You think that's bad? I had a team with Reaper, McCree and Genji and Zennyatta on payload attack.
Going against a Rein, Roadhog, Pharah, Junkrat, Mercy and Winston.
It was on king's row and the payload only got past the first curve.
>>341441874
>tank-killer Reaper against a tank lineup is bad
Okay.
>>341441425
Me and some other 2 anons were on a team the other day and we got paired with 3 morons trying to go all McCree.
We were getting our asses handed and these cunts never changed.
Fucking hate meme teams.
>>341442097
No shit sherlock but how do you expect that Reaper to do his job when the entire team is composed of units not suitable for frontline combat.
Or do you expect the entire team to go behind this "tank killer"?
You're probably one of those idiots.
>>341442120
I dunno man.
First we were on a defending team and we wiped the enemy easily that they weren't even able to get to the control point. They were trying to cheese with 3 DVAs, Winston, Lucio, and Mercy.
Attack time, someone in our team went DVA. I thought maybe I'll go DVA as well just to cheese the first point and help this guy. Suddenly 3 people lock as Tracers and 1 Lucio. I really fucking thought this won't end well. But we were finished them in fucking 4 minutes. What the fuck.
>>341441425
>attacking Mumbani
>play Zarya, team has Tracer, Genji, D.Va, Zenyatta and a Reaper
>point out that we're too loaded with flankers and back-line disruption, no response
>enemy team has Reinhardt, Zarya, Torbjörn, Mercy, Symmetra and one other (McCree I think)
>can't get anything done, front-line is completely blocked with Reinhardt and Zarya covering each other
>our flankers are off doing fuck all, getting killed all the time
>Reaper tries to ambush people... while we're on attack
>D.Va thinks she's a tank, flies onto the point and gets promptly killed, over and over
>point out that our comp is completely screwed against theirs and that we need to switch to see anything happening
>"lol stfu, you can't tell me what to do"
>Genji points out that he just killed 3 squishies with his ult
>point out that he died immediately afterwards and that nobody was there to take advantage of the gap in their defenses because he ulted when we were running back from spawn
>he doesn't understand
I should point out that everyone in that match was above lvl100. Competetive can't come soon enough...
>>341442798
>I should point out that everyone in that match was above lvl100
What the fuck is up with this shit?
>Get a team with THREE lv100
>Phew, we got this
>We actually get steamrolled hard
Like, why? You'd expect people that have been playing for long to understand the basic concept of the game. And yet we have these idiots still thinking it's COD.
>>341443490
You have to understand that some people just don't learn, while somehow staying content with sucking horribly.
The biggest example is pulling back and linking up with your respawning team. I can count the number of times I've seen others do that on one hand. People just stay at the front, overextend and get killed, leaving the group 1-2 people short and delaying the attack.
The other big example is defending two CPs and not pulling back after A is lost. The result, in 90% of the cases, is that 1-3 people get killed trading with the attackers RIGHT OUTSIDE THEIR NEW SPAWN. Of course they get wiped and the combined enemy team, with all their ults ready, steam-rolls the remaining defenders at point B.
The low-level version of that is people who try to camp the attackers' spawn, get killed and leave them to overrun point A. Thankfully I've seen less and less of that, although the last Mumbani point A was lost because nobody pulled back after we lost two people on the stretch between A and the spawn.
>>341441557
But thats not even that bad, as long as Hanzo isn't braindead. WIDOWMAKER on attack is fucking useless shit and I want to beat up anyone who does this
everyone I know who says overwatch is too easy either only played it at low MMR or never played it
>b-b-but it has ultimates! press to win!
so does LoL, you just are mad that you only know how to play mobashit and get facerolled at fps. be less mad
>>341445291
>tfw Widow, Hanzo, Torbjirn and Bastion on payload attack
>they never changed and the payload never moved
I wish these people would just fall off the planet.
>>341447143
>even the overcuck compares his moba fps to league
>>341447824
Torb and Bastion can place themselves on the payload yknow
requires a Reinhardt willing to cooperate though
>>341447974
You don't so this at the start against a dug in defence though, you do this after you get the payload rolling or the defenders are shit.
>>341427053
Are you retarded? Obviously you can go above. The main complaint is that it matches you with retards like yourself against competent teams. Of course that is mitigated if you queue with premades or do you think the people in your link play with random garbage players?
>>341448343
Offensive Torb isn't unviable though. I won a Volskaya match just by placing my turret at the first spot, then putting one on the moving platform, was pretty fun
This is the first time I've been fucking irritated with a Double DVa strat. Goddamn shit's fucking unstoppable especially if the healers know what they are doing.
>>341421596
>Overwatch
>Skill based
HAHAHA
Here's your answer.
can someone repost the link to the league of titan trailer? ActiBlizz seems to be deleting it thoroughly
>>341450425
>>341421596
>Skill-based
It's not.
Some characters are simply stronger than other characters.
Any "tactical depth" this game has literally revolves around a character select screen.
>>341424180
Would anyone buy it if it didn't have millions upon millions of advertising budget?
>pick reinhardt
>defend majority of team while pushing
>teammates do nothing to stop the two-three guys attacking me and my shield
> 3/4th of shield down, be forced to go on offense to not die
>teammates die when they cant just stand around and shoot the moving targets
>they start bitching in chat
Everytiem
>>341450126
Am I just shit with Genji, or is Lucio's wallride infinitely better than his wallclimb?
>>341421596
>Will a player consistently beat a less skilled player?
Yes.
t. bad player that constantly loses
>>341424732
>Objectives are more boring than team deathmatch
How?
>>341430686
Training mode/ai battles
>>341430686
Play against bots on hard.
>>341421808
>The hardest character to play in the game is the easiest character.
