Apparently these are the changes made to McCree and Widowmaker
[McCree]
Alternate fire
Damage decrease from 70 to 45
Time before reloading decrease from 0.75 seconds to 0.3
[WidowMaker]
Alternate fire (Snipe)
Base damage decrease from 15 to 12
(damage multiplier from charging doesn't change)
Headshot damage multiplier increase from x2 to x2.5
Player can only re-enter "sniping mode"
after the "exit snipe mode" animation finish
Infra-Sight (Ult)
Ultimate charge cost increased by 10%
Bug Fixed
Sauce is from the Taiwanese blizz forums
http://tw.battle.net/forums/zh/overwatch/topic/3446144877
What do you think?
If that McCree nerf is legit that's way steeper than I thought.
Widowmaker needs a health nerf.
>>341269670
>damage decrease from 70 to 45
wow wtf I hate mccree now
>McCree can still fth, roll then fth again to kill nearly every tank in one second
What's the point of the nerf, then? I thought it was meant to stop him from gibbing tanks
That sounds reasonable, let's see how it works out.
>>341269670
So 120 Dmg Bodyshots?
>>341270442
Yes.
>>341269956
(45x6)x2+25 is still 565 fucking damage
You SHOULD have to hit every bullet to bring a tank down that fast
>>341270340
This limits him to 270 damage per clip rather than 420. Fan-the-hammer can't do headshots (criticals).
>>341269670
Why nerf heroes that don't need it when torb is still beyond fucking broken?
>Player can only re-enter "sniping mode"
>after the "exit snipe mode" animation finish
That's actually a pretty massive nerf to situational awareness.
Also means 120 Dmg bodyshots so she can no longer one-hit Tracer and Zenyatta without headshots.
I'm okay with this.
>>341269670
I thought they announced they weren't going to touch Widowmaker until ranked was released?
>>341270571
That's what I'm saying. Assuming the roll reload is untouched he'll still kill anything apart from Roadhog with his combo
>>341270340
Overall still gives more opportunity for a healer or yourself to be able to react being that full body shot is 450->270 if this is true.
Also glad to see widow can no longer OHKO people with body shots+fixing the bug where you can always have 100% charge if you're constantly sighting&unsighting.
Also made it hard as piss to sneak up to someone doing that since they aren't scoped that long normally.
>>341269670
Completely missed Widowmaker Nerf.
She needs HP reduction and Grapple Nerf. 120 Dmg Bodyshot is still too high. Her Ulti is still broken as fuck. It takes literally 1 shot more to charge now.
And the most importantly - her Assault Mode wasn't nerfed so Genji can still suck it.
>>341269956
>>341270218
Why its still a oneshot on any non tank character without shields or armor it just isn't killing roadhog.
>>341270340
The point of the nerf is to make it bad for shitters, most people don't hit everyshot with FtH so even the 'full' or double combo with a couple of misses isn't enough to solo out a tank.
Like this is exactly what they said they'd do how is this not fine?
>>341270762
t.consolefag
>>341269670
>Neuter McCree
>Make it so Widowmaker gets completely outclassed by Hanzo
I mean if these are true, god damn. Makes no sense to nerf widowmaker by forcing her to go through her animations but leave Hanzo alone.
>Fan the hammer has a possible damage output of 270
>He can still flashbang/fan/dash/fan every sub 600HP hero
>>341270789
Higher end widows would do this dance where they constantly spam zoom/unzoom, that had to be fixed.
>>341270218
It begins. Blizzard nerfs a character, notice that the number of players using that character bottoms out, so they hand out ridiculous nerfs to other characters, which also causes users to drop those characters, until they only have to maintain two characters.
>>341269670
>Base damage decrease from 15 to 12
this means a bodyshot will do 120 at full charge? i dont play widow so dont know how the charging works
>>341270762
I take it that you play the console version.
>>341270340
>>341270561
>>341270961
Don't forget that most tanks have armour.
New combo: Flashbang (25) + FTH (270) + Combat Roll (0) + FTH (270) = 565 damage
New combo vs armor: Flashbang (20) + FTH (240) + Combat Roll (0) + FTH (240) = 500 damage
>>341269670
when does this come out?
That's all? no other tweaks on other heroes?
now widowmaker will be even less of a contribution to the team.
most of /v/ thinks shes op because they play solo queue where everyone pushes the choke 1 by 1 with no rienhart.
even in my lvl 50-100 groups ive seen god tier widowmakers on enemy team the majority of the time we win. The problem is that people dont switch as she is only good for defending certain points
>>341271325
Yes.
>>341271490
This week. Might be today, might be tomorrow, this week atleast.
>>341271325
Yeah it's base * XXX
so 50% charge equals 60 damage and so forth
>>341271457
Still enough to easly kill D.Va. You just reload after the second FTH and finish her off with casualshot.
>>341270937
>Makes no sense to nerf widowmaker by forcing her to go through her animations
It's to stop a glitch exploit in a very easy way.
Really, though, Widowmaker needs more limitations, since she's currently the single most anti-fun character in the game by far.
>>341270218
>baaawww I have to aim now wtf ;-;
I already shat on McGees as Mei.
Now it's going to be hilarious.
>>341270893
If a Genji dies to a Widowmaker with her using her smg mode only, that Genji is bad and should stop playing him immediately.
I've been playing symettra lately. I'm winning most of my matches, but I don't feel like I am using turrets efficiently
![rramT2L[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zUQrv3T.jpg "rramT2L[1].jpg")
>>341271865
>Single most anti-fun character
>Forgetting about Mei.
>>341272319
Why? her smg does more dps than Soldier 76's rifle.
>>341270961
I think it will be enough as its actually pretty rare for a mcree to actually hit every bullet in his fans
>>341269670
>no D.va buff
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I may be retarded but as far as I can tell his manual reload will now be half the time it is on live? I can deal with that if that's the case.
>>341272568
Because Deflect exists.
>>341270893
>>341272568
press E and shift. gengi is a great counter to widow.
>>341272571
>I think it will be enough as its actually pretty rare for a mcree to actually hit every bullet in his fans
On normal sized heroes yes, but on big ass tanks? No.
Should've given widowmaker less health. Why does zenyatta have less?
>>341272591
Totally this. I need to know what they will buff.
>>341272639
There's a slight delay before the reload animation begins, they reduced this delay.
>>341269956
he still murders half the cast instantly, the problem was he was deleting tanks effortlessly as well.
>>341272738
> falling for Deflect in 2016
Seriously, in higher winrate matches Deflect is like a temporal shield that does nothing to you. You simply stop shooting.
>Widow Nerf
Now I can have fun again.
>>341269670
>still has a weapon barely worse than 76
>200 hp with the smallest hitbox in the game
>still zero counter play for her ult
BRILLIANT, she will still completely trash high level games
>>341272639
His manual reload will start earlier, before it started at 0.75 sec and now at 0.3
>>341272494
Symettra's turrets are useless against decent players who shoot them at first sight, they become a minor annoyance compared to the area of denial asspain to newbies and mediocre players.
The best tactic I find is to use all six turrets on an out of the way path flankers will likely use, and camp nearby to finish off anyone who tries to sneak by.
would have liked a widow health nerf but they got all the important stuff
>>341273215
This is also a decent plan for mei. You catch most anyone but Hog alone and they're dead.
>>341269670
OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD HE REIGNS!
>>341272532
>See a Mei
>Take two steps backwards and shoot
>Kill the Mei
As opposed to
>See a Widowmaker
>She's a half mile away so that it's impossible to do enough damage to her to save you
>She already saw you anyway and is aiming right at you
>Shoots you three times to kill you and there ain't shit you can do
>>341272568
thats not even remotely true.
>>341271824
Defense matrix
And D.Va really isn't a tank
>Headshot damage multiplier increase from x2 to x2.5
For what purpose?
>>341273567
It's completely true for most ranges since it has no falloff but soldier does, it also has more bullets
>>341273002
dude people still fall for deflect, and widow doesn't have an out put running. gengi does a shit ton of damage on her with throwing stars. if she fires on you, just deflects. if not you just hit shift and keep hitting her. even spaming alt fire can kill a decent widow.
>>341273524
>he doesn't play against Meis that shit on everyone with M2
How does it feel being a shitter?
>mfw faggots don't have an excuse anymore to get killed by a mccree
>primary fire untouched and more devastating
>faster reload animation start
>>341273745
So that headshot damage is unchanged, just bodyshot.
>>341269670
>What do you think?
Fix your goddamn networking and tickrate shit. and also hitboxes
>>341273641
She's more a sniper, turret, and tele hunter+live forever payload holder.
They didn't nerf Widowmaker enough and as it stands there's still no reason to not have her hitscanning 1 shotting ass in every match (assuming whoever's playing her isn't garbage). Why do they insist on compensating such an overpowered character with buffs when they make adjustments? At the very least they should have also nerfed charging speed and/or her health to 150.
Are there any other changes to more heroes?
>>341272805
I main zarya, flashbang combo does a maximum of 445 damage but even when my shield is on CD its incredibly rare for me to get killed without him rolling.
>>341270917
Yeah, the only thing that worries me is that it'll now take fucking five out of 6 bullets to kill Widowmaker and if you're not literally hugging her ass when you pop that rmb it's totally luck if your spread won't fuck you out of nailing her tiny ass hitbox.
>>341270185
Has it right. Not just for Mcree, but for Genji, too.
>>341269670
>no d.va buff
Teller.png
interested what they will do about lucio, on payload game modes if you have a lucio+mercy combo you basically already won with half competent teammates, and on koth niggas go double lucio. they need a hero that somehow disrupts him since he has no counter.
>>341273524
>See a Mei at close range
>She has already frozen you and one shotted you by the time you think to run away
>Manage to get her to low enough health to make he feel threatened? LOLINVINCIBLEWALLHEAL.
As opposed to
>See a widowmaker
>Don't stand in plain sight because you (hopefully) aren't a retard.
>Flank and kill widowmaker, which should be easy as her smg may as well be a BB gun.
>>341273116
Well that's good, I guess. I'm kinda bummed that in the beta I saw very few people play him, fewer still played him well and yet in live apparently he's the most broken character alive if people are to be believed. Kinda sucks considering my romaticastion of the cowboy aesthetic.
Was he or is he really that broken? Or is it the same as the Bastion/Mei/Widowmaker/Torb/etc. complaints?
>2.5 headshot multiplier
Release me from this meme hell
Why no zenyata buff? Literally the most useless character in the game because of his HP.
>>341273745
to keep the headshot damage around the same while nerfing body damage only.
Zenyatta and Tracers couldn't take the heat, this keeps them alive unless they get headshot which is fair.
>>341269670
here
>>>/vg/145462712
please use the appropriate board for your discussion from now on
>>341271716
I think the nerf was because she was miles better than Hanzo in a sniper role, Hanzo required you to be skillful with the bow, Widow you can shoot surprisingly fast with the sniper, way faster than fully charged bow.
>>341274226
>>Don't stand in plain sight because you (hopefully) aren't a retard.
Yes, that's very easy to do while pushing an objective through an open area through chokeholds with vantage points in every direction.
>>341274226
Mei is fucking garbage kill yourself, the only thing that saves her kit is her alt-fire
If you're getting frozen you are complete garbage considering it's piss poor range and most classes can get out of it for free
>>341274490
Zen is fine, his biggest problem (and almost exclusively why he's at the bottom of the tier list) is because before this supposed Widow nerf, Widow shit all over him. Easily the single hardest counter in the entire game
>>341269670
that mccree nerf sucks, tracers are going to get away.
>>341274701
>t. shitter
>>341274403
bastion and mei complaints are from shitters that can't counter pick. mcree wasn't that bad, but his flashbang+fan the hammer was not fair because most characters instantly die from that and it's not hard to pull off
>>341270857
He won't actually, all tanks except roadhog have armor. Which reduces damage taken by half up to a maximum of 5 per hit.
So only if McCree hits all his shots with fan + roll + fan (which is practically impossible with the huge spread) he does 540 damage which will be mitigated to <500 for most Tanks because of their armor.
>>341270937
>Makes no sense to nerf widowmaker by forcing her to go through her animations but leave Hanzo alone.
Because her gun is hitscan
>>341274403
He is broken and a unfun character to play against. He destroys everything https://youtu.be/rtMaaxTpags?t=22
>Widowmaker wasn't even nerfed
>going to delete tanks effortlessly now
>>341273745
reward skill and punish le body shot double tapping horse shit
>>341274725
He still dies to everything in 2 hits though. Widow can still just as easily kill him and because he's not fast and doesnt have any escapes he's still easily shat on by everything.
>>341274756
lul wut they did nothing to his stun and she has 150 health.
>>341274701
The range is actually fairly high, it easily outrange McCree's stun for example.
>>341274081
Maybe flash fan won't be the answer to every hero and every situation. I think in that situation leading with a headshot then fanning would still destroy widow
OH YES
TAKE THAT MCCREE AND WIDOWFAGS
>>341274927
>all tanks except roadhog have armor.
and Zarya
>>341274490
widow nerf is a huge buff to zenyatta, means he has a chance of surviving a body shot to get to cover.
>>341274403
McCree is the most broken character in the game for this version.
Can you keep your mouse pointer on an enemy and press two buttons? Congratulations, you are guaranteed to kill that enemy. Rinse and repeat and you'll be winning games in no time.
He just does that much damage that nothing can stand up to him, this nerf is very welcome.
>>341275173
you cant put a whole clip in to someone during the duration of stun.
>>341274403
He could dish out 840 damage within 2 seconds, all while stunning you at the start.
The nerf didn't do anything to him in regards to killing half the cast easily.
He's still a great offense character, his ultimate auto locks on to his whole FOV and you can cancel it to save 50% ulti meter, or if you're killed during it you keep 50% as well.
He's not underpowered whatsoever.
>reload time cut in half
What the fuck? Doesn't this effectively double his damage?
>>341275134
but the head shot hit box is huge on a lot of characters. unless my arrows as a hanzo player is huge. I'm not sure
>>341271167
I've started facing prestige (lvl 100+) players and every widowmaker is like an awp player on crack, constant spastic and 2-3 bodyshots before you can even react.
>>341275132
She had no buff whatsoever.
If you're seeing the 2.5x headshot damage, that's a change so that headshots still do the same damage as before.
>>341275173
not him but it takes 4 shots of FTH to kill her now.
stun lasts 0.7s, 6 shot FTH is like a second right? it wouldn't be so bad if there weren't latency issues for the game.
>>341270762
>he plays on consoles
>>341273745
>Base damage decrease from 15 to 12
The intent is to make her go have to go for headshots, but i don't think that really makes a difference,
I think #1 they should rework her ult to only work for her, and she has passive squadsight that gives vision to allies if she has direct vision of an enemy. This would at least give players a reason to use hanzo as a more consistent spotter over her. In terms of damage she really shouldn't be able to kill anyone except Tracer and Zen without a fully charged headshot.
>>341275468
His reload time wasn't cut in half, the time before he reloads was cut in half.
>>341274678
If you're playing a payload map and don't have at least one Reinhardt and Lucio on your team to counter Widowmaker then you're playing with shitters and are most likely a shitter yourself.
Are you ready for the Tracer domination now that there will be less Mcree and Widows?
>>341271457
>kills everyone but Hog still
What's the problem shitter? You shouldn't be able to do that still
>>341274667
>skillfull with a bow
>hitbox arrows the size of Gaben
>Shoot a scatter arrow on the floor below an enemy = free kill
>>341275132
>damage cut by 20ish percent
>melting tanks
>cant KWIKSCOPE
>animation locks
ha, okay.
>>341275545
They do the same damage as before. She just does 120 bodyshots now so people will have to actually aim.
>>341274403
>Or is it the same as the Bastion/Mei/Widowmaker/Torb
>Bastion
Is a noob killer. Those who just complain and don't find out how to counter him are the ones that are vocal about him
>Mei
Is just an irritating character. Far from even being OP.
>Widowmaker
Is flat out broken. She's as broken as McCree
>Toblerone
l m a o. There is nothing wrong with torb. At all.
McCree needed these nerfs because he can just insta kill anyone no problem. He deletes tanks faster than any other character.
>>341274403
McCree counters both fast, squishy characters, and tanks. The counter to McCree is to have a better McCree. So he's been nerfed in the hope that he no longer counters tanks.
>have a popular, working game
>start nerfing everything and making everything less enjoyable
I hope it doesn't become the next Chivalry.
>>341271325
holy shit that means zen can't be one shot anymore
>>341275153
widow is used in every comp . if widow is even on the map you could not play zenyatta because even one tap would kill you. now you have a chance. i still dont think most teams will risk it though.
>>341276059
Woah, Zen can now leave his spawn and be lightly tapped by any other hero before he dies now.
>>341275775
I might actually start playing McFee more now that he's not so stupid, and he will still be able to delete tracer
>>341269670
>Player can only re-enter "sniping mode"
>after the "exit snipe mode" animation finish
Thank fucking god.
>>341271865
Snipers are anti-fun in every single PvP game they've ever been in since the dawn of time.
The sheer polarized nature of the class/weapon means that there are no interesting confrontations to be had. They either kill you from a position that you literally cannot retaliate from, or you kill them effortlessly from close range.
The only justifiable reason for their existence is as a counterbalance to broken short-range classes or leash-comps (i.e., tank + pocket healer).
>>341270937
Or you can just stay scoped if you need to shoot, as is intended.
Hanzo is almost never picked in comp because Widowmaker is so much better at his job even before we talk about having a trap that warns you of an enemy coming down the often single path that most of the flankers in the game must take to get to her, and an instant escape ability WITH a jump bug to increase its movement range.
Hanzo is not going to be picked in comp just because they can't go in and out of scope over and over for no good reason.
>>341275875
Relatively
Nobody in OW requires very much skill, but hanzo at longer ranges at least has to account for travel time unlike widow. He also has a way worse mobility mechanic and no venom mine to let him know if someones flanking him
Where's the D. Va buffs, Blizzard?
>>341269670
>Mcree reloads twice as fast now
Hoo boy, he may still kill the shit out of tanks.
>>341276272
>>>Player can only re-enter "sniping mode"
>>after the "exit snipe mode" animation finish
This one is actually a big "fix". Blizzard is saying that either stay in snipe mode or not.
>>341276059
? He still dies in one Tracer reload
And there's less things to deal with Tracer now
>>341275098
I guess. That's not much of an argument, though.
>>341274887
This is, though i'm not sure if his TTK without cooldowns was the fastest in game. At close range, however, it very well could have.
>>341274927
Is this a good thing or a bad thing? When you consider he'll have to blow 8-12 seconds worth of cooldowns (positioning and re-positioning accounted for) it seems like quite a blow. However, i'll certainly agree with the idea that tanks ahould be a prolonged HVT kill over being just another wacky thing to shoot. I think this will certainly.make Reaper more appealing with his...4-5 shot kill time on full health Hogs.
They should nerf Omar. He's too OP
>no longer die to a bodyshot
ZENNIGGAS
SMASH THAT MF LIKE IF YOU UP
>>341269670
>Tracer gets 2 fairly decent buffs
This is my nightmare.
>>341276642
tracer isn't immortal
just predict where she was two seconds ago and attack there after you hit her.
good mcree players basically got a buff and shitters will have trouble using him now
>>341270442
It's Zenyatta's time to shine!
>>341276818
Are you ready for the double Tracer shenanigans to come back?
>>341276606
>niggers still cant read
>>341276852
>t. level 15
>>341276852
Good tracer players are fucking infuriating, maybe I'm just a shitter but if a tracer player is decent and is taking me on I will 100% always lose because even when I predict where she was two seconds ago she somehow has full health again, without a healer nearby.
>mfw not getting bodyshot by Widow anymore
Zenyatta players rejoice
>>341275463
>>341275631
you just left click her in the head you baddies.
>>341276642
>not being able to gimp tracer in 2 seconds as zen.
nigga, a debuff and like 2-3 orbs and she is dead.
>>341276405
The overwatch snipers should be built around spotting. Make it so Widow can't really oneshot anyone and allies can see enemy health by the color of their outline. That way the snipers job is actually to soften people and let teammates know of their position and status, so a tracer or genji can finish them off.
>>341277132
You realize that means he now reloads after fan almost instantly right? Instead of having a near second to wait. Doubles his fan usage.
>>341277164
That's what recall does, genius.
>>341277080
reminder that you faggots asked for this.
reminder that you never noticed enemies have a tracer on their side because McCree kept her in check.
reminder that Mei isn't "OP" because McCree counters her, expect to see more of her.
>>341277296
140 damage on crit though
>>341270571
>per clip
>>341276989
This, he will reload a bit faster and good mccrees that know how to LMB and get headshots will still be great at the character as they didnt nerf his lmb dmg. Shitters who only rely on the E+fan are btfo
>>341276852
>tracer zips in out of fucking nowhere
>deletes a support in half a second
>shoot at her for a second
>she rewinds
>literally no idea where she is because she wasn't even here three seconds ago
>>341277164
you bait her recall and when she goes around the corner again ,just fucking kill her
>>341277775
flashbang does 25 damage
its another episode of /v/ doesnt know shit about a game but complains anyway.
>>341277775
Mei is fucking broken but nobody seems to notice it yet.The sheer amount of utility she brings is invaluable.
>>341277348
You are obviously a complete trashbag is playing zen works at all in your games, tracer demolishes him every time
>>341276642
Tracer can one-clip most of the cast, it's down to range and headshot tracking.
>>341278046
Mei is garbage and you overrate her utility.
>>341278046
Mei is one of the worst characters in the game, try not being fucking awful
This is one half step above complaining about Bastion
>tfw main mccree
>tfw have no issue aiming with primary fire
>have no issue hitting fan the hammer every time
Why are they calling this a nerf? I'm just glad I don't have to see some fuccboi pick McCree then duel him and die only to notice only half his shots actually hit.
So is the primary fire damage affected? Because a mid air Genji is a little harder to hit.
>>341277775
>295 damage isn't enough to kill a tracer with her 150hp, or a mei with her 250 hp and far easier to hit from outside her range
McCree will still counter flankers like he's always done.
>>341278015
>its another episode of /v/ doesnt know shit about a game but complains anyway.
you know what's funny? the support picks are still untouched and will still be 90-100% picked and the other support heroes are still in the trash.
>>341276405
I agree, except they seemed to do everything they could to make Widowmaker even more anti-fun than usual, to the point where competitive games are just "Which Widowmaker can kill the other Widowmaker first so they can then sweep the enemy team?"
I mean, it takes all of a whole 2 seconds between fully charged shots, so you can do 150 (now 120) damage every couple of seconds?
>>341278070
>I'm trash because I don't suck with a character that is supposed to be "not good".
I also do fairly well on my healing too senpai, stay mad ;)
>>341277991
>Tracer needing to be around corners
Rule number 1 of Tracer is that if you're not unloading your load into the enemy's face you're wasting time.
>>341276732
kek'd
>>341278484
Blizzard doesn't nerf like Riot. They still want characters to be viable.
>>341275524
>unless my arrows as a hanzo player is huge
Oh you sweet, summer child
>>341278484
You don't "main" a character in overwatch you dumbfuck. You're the reason why I have to switch to healer EVERY GOD DAMN TIME.
Good nerfs.
Should have made MCrees flash have a larger range/AoE, but only effect people ACTUALLY LOOKING AT IT.
Chatting with my steam group and all the mccree players are fine with the changes.
Also, 6 people are almost in tears crying and bitching about the widow nerfs.
Particularly not being able to unscope and rescope quickly.
and the one hanzo main is laughing his ass off.
>>341278484
>Why are they calling this a nerf?
Because you can't instagib tanks anymore
Also "maining" means you're a fuckstain
>>341278525
What?
I think you didnt mean to respond to my post.
I just pointed out that mcree still easily kills tracer in a stun, the only thing he wont be able to anymore is melt tanks like butter
>>341269670
Widowmaker needs a rate of fire nerf
>>341277173
you guys better make that 0,5 second before she shoots you again count
>>341277983
stop being bad
i can literally see exactly where she is going to pop up
>>341278046
freeze is completely useless in competitive, you will never ever be able to do it. and she offers nothing else. she excel's at killing loners in quick play.
>>341278612
>gengi uses his deflect
>not matter how quick you stop firing you're going to get peppered a bit
> lelelel I'll just rewind
gengi shifts, wall runs, and kills you will alt fire.
as a gengi player, a tracer has never ever given me grief.
>>341271263
That is much more preferable than buffing characters to be in line with others making disgusting power creep.
>>341278841
isn't this a buff to widowmaker though?
>>341278821
>>341279009
I agree with you both about maining, but what if you main someone with general utility, like Zarya, Mercy, Lucio, Reinhardt orJunkrat?
Who /Tracer/ here?
Who unintentional huge buff here?
truely the face of pure evil...
>>341279503
her quick body shotting is what made her absurd and they just murdered it.
>>341278484
>Maining
Kill yourself please.
>>341279689
what about the increase in headshot damage?
>>341279503
>cant into basic mathematic
>>341269670
>mcE nerf
oh look a lazy state change instead of a rework on a shit character
glad i didnt fall for this shit meme game
>>341279814
>I can't do math
Hahaha, widowmaker cancer players BTFO.
Now i won't have to switch to winston every time i see one of those pieces of shit to shove my monkey fist down their throats.
>>341274490
He did get a buff, see Widow section
>OH MY GOD, THERE'S A HERO THAT TANKS CANT WIN AGAINST IN 1v1, NEEEEEEEEEEEEERF IT
If this game had a free for all deathmatch or something then McCree would be OP, but that's not how the game works.
I get more kills with McCree but have a much lower winrate than, say, Genji.
>>341279814
She doesn't have increased headshot damage you illiterate retard.
>>341279814
the 2.5x on each 12 points effectively makes headshot damage the same as it was before
anyone who could land headshots before nerf will notice no difference (aside from the unscope scope mechanic)
>>341279814
It averages out to the same headshot damage as before. Max charge will do the same damage
Widowmaker actually has to attempt to aim now
>>341279814
doesnt change much, a headshot will kill most people even now. its just to encourage more skillful play instead of 420 QUICK BODYSHOT DOUBLETAP
>>341280070
>hot monkey dick
>>341279814
It's the same. Her headshot damage is the same and her body shot damage is reduced.
>>341279814
Her base is lowered so they multiplied from 2.0 to 2.5 to make it the same.
>>341280135
Say whatever you want dude the numbers on him make much more sense now. You now have to make a choice about whether or not to use fan the hammer where as before you didn't.
This wasn't just about him being OP, he's a hero that people haven't played the way they wanted him to be played since he was created. People wouldn't left click with him.
>>341276742
smashed
No one can defend these changes
>>341279486
Same to you phamalam. I play a lot of Tracer and Genji doesn't really scare me. It's a total skill-based matchup and Genji is difficult to play well, not to mention situational, so even at higher MMR most Genjis you encounter are total shit. Even when I do encounter a good one Tracer is one of the better equipped characters to deal with him.
>>341279674
Zen, Tracer and Pharah players are rejoicing. Maybe now we'll see more of those three and less of Winston in comp as well.
>>341279945
you know that mcree was broken and knew about his character but you "didn't fall for this meme game"
So you didn't buy it?
So you shitpost threads about games you don't own? Way to admit to being the lowest form of shitposter.
Congrats, you just played yourself.
>>341270937
widow is op and hanzo is shit, this will make it less glaring. the advantage to a bow much like in tf2 is that you have more situational awarness
>>341280135
no matter what you say, a tank shouldn't be killed in 2 seconds flay by a single character.
>>341280135
Theres a difference between cant win 1v1 and get absolutely melted in 0.3 secs without effort when youre a fucking tank.
>>341270937
Agree, getting tired of being one shotted in the arm by an arrow at full health and watching the arrow hover 4 inches away from the player model in thin air as I die
>>341270340
McCree is fucking supposed to kill tanks.
Post yfw people will still complain about E+M2, and you will still be killing people with it every chance you get
>>341281053
horseshit
end yourself
the only good mccree is the one taking out flankers
>Zenyatta will actually be playable now
Mccree player here.
I'm fine with this.
To widow playersGEEEEEEEEEEEET DUUUUUUUNKED OONNNNNNNN
>>341271167
That's all we have tho bruh, there's no other easy way to evade Hanzo arrows
Can I now play Mr. Cowboy and live out my Yee-haw dreams without people crying?
>>341281053
No he's not you retard. He's meant to be a counter to Tracer/Genji and other hyperactive heroes.
>>341279684
>a gun that shoots a red turd
>>341271167
What did that do. I see good widows do it all the time.
>>341281053
No he's not, and the developer notes in the patch specifically says so. He was nerfed such that he wasn't god-tier against tanks while still being able to take out flankers.
>>341278821
>>341279009
Maining mccree was actually viable because he could delete everyone else.
He didnt really have a hard counter
>>341281658
I thought it was just a habit from sniping in other games, though it does at least give you some situational awareness with the constant unscope so you don't have someone walk right next to you and kill you without you noticing.
>>341280985
If you walk into his face carelessly you deserve it.
>b-but flashbang
How about you also try pressing those ability buttons?
>>341272568
I'd like to see them drop dmg on it but reduce spread
>>341281413
pretty much yes
if you can hit every shot in fan the hammer nothing really changes except it being unlikely for you to survive doing that to a tank of any decent skill.
>>341279674
I'm a Tracer main and don't know what you're talking about, the occasional body shot that actually hits us won't kill us now, but aside from that we didn't have a problem with scrub McCrees or Widows in the first place, and if the McCree does hit his flash bang well still be shred to pieces.
I had way less problems with Widows lately as Zen
Now good Genjis, those really really fuck me over
>>341269670
Now all they need to do is nerf roadhog and maybe it'll be a fun game !!!
>>341282137
Its more the fact that there will be overall less Mcree and Widows out there now.
>>341282328
why
>>341281416
He's not.
He needs to catch genji off guard to kill him, against tracer he's ok but a good tracer will keep enough distance to make it really hard for him to flashbang her.
>>341282137
roadhog will be able to heal out of mccree doing it now
>>341279684
>The facial expression change when she's about to shoot
Also the Zarya only survived because of the Lucio healing.
Maybe Pharah will be somewhat playable now.
Not really though, Widow can still two shot her effortlessly.
>>341281957
>but blasted mcree shitter.
tanks don't have a fucking out to mcree you retard. they can't fucking zoom away.
>>341282170
Gotta stick with teammates and hope they notice the Genji on your ass to help
>>341281658
too easy for them to be aware and react to everything
>>341282328
Playing roadhog is a tradeoff, hes strong has much hp and a selfheal, but he gives the enemy free fast ultcharge.
These patch notes change nothing lmao. They're still going to be dominant.
>>341281957
Oh fuck off. You don't have any time to use an ability when he flashbangs you, and if you think otherwise you're delusional.
>>341281658
It instantly reset the charge counter, allowing widows to unleash Gatling 100+ damage bodyshots
These where disgustingly effective and shredded low to medium hp heros without even needing to headshot them.
And using this method you would have your ult ready in the first 30 seconds of the match, and can keep it up almsot constantly.
You could be playing a 300 ho hero, and be dead by your 4th step out of the spawn.
Widow players will try to defend this. At least Mcree players had to be in the same zipcode to kill you.
>>341282415
>>341282683
>Hook
>Shoot
>Melee
>Shoot
>570 damage
>heal for 1/2 your health
really fun to play against.
>>341273215
>Stack 6 turrets on the right entrance in Volskaya then camp by it for achievement
>Soldier sprints through
>All the slows bring him to a dead stop
>Dead in under a second
Even if thats fun the best use for her turrets is to build ult. So it's best to place them separately where they can get his on enemies without getting taken out immediately
>>341281371
>>341276742
hell yea
>>341281053
No, reaper is supposed to be the tankbuster
>>341272275
>mei beating pre-nerf mccree
whats hilarious is your mmr
>>341269670
>Player can only re-enter sniping mode after the exit snipe mode animation finish
So she's bolt-action now, basically.
>120 damage bodyshot
This saves the Zenyatta.
>Headshots do the same amount of damage at up to 300
This is fine.
>>341282885
Who? The McGrees? haha nope. 9 out of 10 MCGrees only right click. Every single time you see a card it reads like this
30 kills
29 fans
So nothing was nerfed in any way?
>>341282649
Just keep that shield up, retard.
>>341281957
Now that you can't rely on a crutch character who are you gonna play?
>Damage decrease from 70 to 45
JESUS fucking dumpstered if real
>>341282486
>Blizzard clearly doesn't know what their characters were designed for but I do!
Kill yourself.
>>341270961
The chances of you dying during the stun duration are reduced. Yes he can technically fan roll fan but now you can actually react after you get flashed (if you are not playing someone super squishy) as opposed to dying instantly.
>>341269670
Should have just removed the reload from the roll instead of nerfing the fan
>>341283389
270 damage in a fraction of a second isn't enough for you?
>>341283013
>play any class
>keep blasting the roadhog
>He heals
>keep blasting him while hes healing
>see your ult charge gone up from 0-60 in like 5 secs.
>>341282616
pharah needs a damn air movement speed buff. widow and turrets rek her shit way too quickly.
Flashbang stun duration should be based on how much health a character has. Less duration on tanks, unless they're low health, more duration on squishies.
>>341283389
for alt fire boy. This changes nothing and he'll still be dominant.
