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FUCK YES
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>>341068010
Literally best thing this E3, for better or for worse.
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NO NILFGAARD NO BUY
>NO NILFGAARD NO BUY
NO NILFGAARD NO BUY
>NO NILFGAARD NO BUY
NO NILFGAARD NO BUY
>NO NILFGAARD NO BUY
NO NILFGAARD NO BUY
>NO NILFGAARD NO BUY
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Android version where?
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>>341068010

fuck off foreigner
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>Gwentstone

Is this the Hearthstone killer we all deserve?
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>>341068236
I bit of disappointment, yes, but knowing CDPR they will add it later for free.
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>>341068236
BLACK SCUM GO HOME
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>>341068401
i hope so, WOG sucked fucking dick, i haven't touched the game in weeks
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>>341068236

>removed for balance reasons
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>>341068236
PRESENTING THE NEW FACTION. A THROWBACK TO TW3

TOUSSIANT
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>no Nilfgaard
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>>341068010

WHAT NOW YOU PIECE OF FILTH!
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>>341068212
>best thing at E3 is a stupid card game

Worse.
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>can't use decoy on spy cards
>can't revive spy cards

There, I just fixed Nilfgaard, bring it back CDPR.
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>>341070896
I thought North had about the same number of spies.
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>>341070806
>one day into e3
>aspies are chomping at the bit for a new ToRtanic
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>>341068319
co kurwa
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So card game spinoffs are okay if it's CDPR?

okay, got it.
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RIP HEARTHSTONE
I
P

aaand I just saw the trailer with stupid RNG cards so nothing is happening
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>>341071137
Yes because that's the only alternative to another generic card game.
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yeah but nilfgaard has more medics so even with spies countering them gets difficult
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>>341071145
Yes, it is okay. Deal with it.
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>>341071145
It's okay when card game is actually good.
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i think i pissed me trousers
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>>341071145
Blizzard too you fucking unamerican
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>>341071145
>spin off
its a minigame that was already in witcher. people specifically asked for it
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>>341071145
They're okay if they're actually good.
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imagine you get to start a game with:
>damn you're ugly

and after some nice move
>what now you piece of filth?
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>>341071145
Square did it first and it was fine then.
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>>341072294
DWARF COCK
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>>341068010
Looks like it says CunT from a glance.
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But I am already playing the superior card game.
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>>341071145
Stay mad Thebull94 you fucking cuck
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>>341068236
That deck belongs in the trash, absolute worst deck that should have never been in the game in the first place.
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>>341072583
Card games are boring period. They have very minimal user input and it's just hoping you get good RNG.
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>>341071023

North also had better spies, but nilfgaard had a ton of revival cards, meaning it could use your spies better then you could.
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>who ever plays the most spy cards wins
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>>341072924
That's why you build consistent decks where RNG is almost out of the question.
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>>341069496
THATS A BS REASON WHEN NORTH REALMS IS BY FAR THE BEST DECK!
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>>341072924

card games are fun

i've never played gwent but i seems to understand it's just some complicated chicken race sort of game and that sounds boring as fuck
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>>341073220
You're right, but it does not change the fact that it requires minimal skill.
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>>341073389
It's not a deck based entirely on shenanigans like Nilfgaard though
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>>341073220
>>341072924
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>>341068010
NO NILFGAARD NO BUY

FUCKING WHY CDPR
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senpai
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>>341073875
calm your butt, they will prolly add it later
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I enjoy Gwint, but they had better try to balance it.

>LOL 10 STRENGTH HEROES WHO ARE IMMUNE TO WEATHER CARDS LOLOLOLOL
FUCK YOU
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>>341073790

yugioh used to be good, once
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>>341074181
>No bonuses or interaction after draw
Heroes aren't that good.
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>>341074181

10 strength hero's are trash, the only pure hero cards worth using are Ciri and Geralt.
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>>341074181
>cant rez
>cant buff
I mean they can still win a game, but theyre not OP
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>>341072898
If's actually best because of spies + healers + that leader card that lets you take cards from your opponent's graveyard.
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>>341074181
Hero cards with 10 or less attack are not very good bro
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>>341068010
>spy cards + substitutes + heroes

they better balance that shit, it's so fucking broken
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>>341074181
Heroes weren't a problem, spies were. Draw is just too good in a game with no draw
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>>341074181
Well Geralt card was now a regular 10 card but with some effects.
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>>341074863
It's the worst because it is a retarded OP deck
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>>341073790
this is why you play yugioh with a 45 sec turn rule on
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>>341075070

Draw 2 is too good, make it draw 1 and you are golden.

High end gwent play is just out advantaging your opponent. Also spies with low attack are even better, so either nerf the low attack power or make it so they only draw 1 card.
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>>341075464
Normally when people call faction "worst" they mean "the weakest", not "most OP".
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>>341075850
draw 1 would make the spy useless, not only that but it would advantage your enemy more than you unless you used avalach or thaler
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>>341076226

Draw 1 can be fine, they can keep the low attack power, they are also good with revive cards.
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>>341076226
>give the enemy a low strength creature to likely draw a stronger creature or good spell

it would still be alright but really in Witcher 3 Gwent revolves completely around spies.
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>>341076536
what is the point of using spies at all if you get 1 card? you'd be better off not putting them in your deck at all since you have a better chance of drawing something worth using at the start. have you played gwent?
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>>341068010
I hope they bring poker dice in it, for memes
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>>341072583
>>341073790

what version of yugioh am I looking at here? everything looks automated so I'm assuming it's a legit game.
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>>341077432
This is yugioh pro, a fangame made that works pretty well.

It has all cards though so everyone online runs only the most meta decks there are and it's a bit boring.
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>>341068010
>NO NILFGAARD

northern and elven scum deserve to be purge!
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>>341068236
>I need to facilitate my cancerous DECOY DECOY SPY HEALER SPY SPY DECOY GIMMIE YOUR DISCARDED CARDS HEALER HEALER DECOY SPY

Pls no.
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>>341077041
The important part is that playing spy is also a turn. You can't simply pass in gwent so cards that let you wait a turn are also advantageous.

For example the enemy can be winning hard, you play a spy. They don't want to play anything else so they either waste a card or pass and let you have unlimited turns to count cards to play to have optimal damage to win.
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>>341077432

that's devpro, it's a program like cockatrice to play the game with other random internet player only it enforce rules

it looks automated because you are watching a super fast replay
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>>341068010
THERE ARE FOUR MAIN FACTIONS IN GWENT!!!

REEEE HUMAN FAGS, STOP FUCKING OUR TRADITIONS!!!

SKELLIGE BELONGS IN THE TRASH!!!
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the dwarfs were right in the end! skallige ruined everything!
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>>341078004
FUCKING DWARVES ARE ALWAYS RIGHT
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>It's okay when the witcher does it
>Actually showing support for flash tier card games
This is just sad
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>>341077041

What is consistency? The same thing applys in other card games like yugioh? Even at draw 1, your deck will be more consistent with spies.

If you run with 22 normal cards and 6 special cards, you will have a 28 card deck. However if you have 8 spy cards, you essentially have a 20 card deck and you will have access to to half your deck during any game of gwent.

The only down side is that you will likely have to give up a round if you give your opponent to many spy cards.
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>>341078429
>flash tier card games

Fuck off.
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>>341074682
>not Yennefer or that 10 STR Nilfgaardian that doubles as a Medic/Healer

C'mon son.
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>>341078429
The difference is

>Gwent was already in TW3 as a minigame
>it got so popular people actually wanted online for it just because how fun it is

It's not just another TES:Card Game that's only there because Beth decided they want a Hearffstone close
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why do people hate heartstone?

i never played beacuse it felt like a to much pay to win game but, it looked decent enough.
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>>341077712

>Niflgaard
>elven scum

What? Nilfgaards are completely buddy buddy with the elves. Northern realms are the anti-elves.
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>>341078872
>close
clone*
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>>341078931
>felt
"looked"
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So what factions are confirmed?

The 5 minus Nilfgaard?
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>>341078931
Mostly because it's p2w as you can get a fuckton of packs with real dollars
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>>341078951
they not "buddy-buddy". its more of "if you do as we say, we give you a plot of land and leave you alone. if not, we murder all of you".
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finally some balance
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>>341078823

I said pure hero's, Yennefer is a god tier card because she is a healer. The hero effect itself is not great, assuming you don't get scorched, the catapults in the northern realms are the most powerful cards in the game.
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>>341079398
Yeah
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I don't understand this game, I feel like if I win it was pure luck.
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>>341079734
Sorry. I have poor comprehension.
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>>341079597

Thats still way more then the northern realms would give.
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>microtransactions
I hope it means you can buy cards if you don't have the time to collect them in singleplayer and not p2w.
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Allready registered all my 12 E Mmail adresses to get a beta acess key


You jelly nerds
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>>341079676
>max 4 hero cards
Well, that's good for balance purposes.

>a lot cards have actual lower strength than in normal Gwent
Could be interesting
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>>341068010
This is made by the new small Krakow team, right? The main team is not wasting time and money on this instead of Cyberpunk, right?
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and spy nerfs
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>>341080174
The main team actually lost all the funds because they played Gwent too much and bet on it
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>>341079843
>Get more points than the enemy
>But don't run out of cards
>If enemy is stronk, bait him into drawing more cards
>Or just spam spies/decoys
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SOMEONE POST THE DWARVES WHINING ABOUT TRADITION PIC
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>Hearthstone
Pretty much Magic the Yu-Gi-Oh!
>Gwent
Poker with Witcher flavor
>Elder Scrolls Card Game
What the fuck are you doing nigga
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>>341080036
I think Triss works as a new spy except she stays on your side of the board. That's why she's so weak.
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So after Nilfgaard what faction?

Hoping for a dedicated Wild Hunt faction rolling in the Aen Elle elves. Make the Monster leader The Crones or Regis or someone.
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>>341080475
>Elder Scrolls Card Game
There is one?
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>>341080261
That's honestly a really cool idea to balance spies.
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>>341080019

>mfw I'm an engineer and can afford to drop $200 on day 1 to stack up just like I did in Overwatch so I can laugh at poorfags
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I was at work. What's going on? I know there's a Gwent game now, but is it gonna be free? Is it gonna be on both Steam and GOG? Why is it "GWINT" in the OP? Is that the Polish name?
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>>341080550
Toussaint faction
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and a faction ability change to northern realms
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>>341080261
Do you play them on your side now or what?
What's the point in giving strength to your opponent only to draw one card in exchange?
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>>341080776
That's milk, right? Right?
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>>341080550
A little too late. They won't just take a card from monsters. Besides what would they even put in their deck? Besides the three stooges they just have hounds and generic footsoldiers.
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>>341080776
Whatever helps you sleep in that big empty bed at night.
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>>341080475
>>Gwent
>>Poker with Witcher flavor
You have a severe retardation
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>>341077906
get the fuck out dwarf.
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>>341080261

Okay thats a cool nerf, its still a draw 1, but still allows you to scavenge through your deck.
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WHY DOESNT IT LET ME REIGISTER
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>>341081067
i think that's the point. they're a more risky card to use now since you don't gain 2 cards anymore.
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>so many changes to the game
I'm kinda afraid they'll overengineer it
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>Not a single word about CP2077
>fucking stupid card game instead
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as long as its not pay to win like hearthstone, im all for it.
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>>341081124

Horse semen is extremely viscous, so yes that's milk.
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>>341081421
Because the twitch stream had 1 million viewers and those excited plebs like you crashed the website.
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monsters seem to have more type variety
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>>341081164

Jokes on you, I still live in my frat house.
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>>341081035

>lose a round
>draw 1

Is that a nerf or buff? Like you can bait your opponent into overextending and then lose on purpose and still gain advantage.
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>>341080174
Warhawks making Cyberpunk. They're building Kraków up so it can be a second independent studio. Stuff like this helps them stockpile funds.
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i guess cery's doesn't summon shield maidens anymore and oh god avallach has 12 strength now
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>>341081816
>Tfw i managed to sneak a email in before it crashed
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>>341081518
They fucking told you 2017 is when they start talking about it you dumb nigger.
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>>341081454
Together with higher than before strength its completely worthless
RIP spies
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>spend ~100h in W3 and DLC's on playing Gwent
>now I gotta forget everything I knew about the game and learn again
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>>341082045
A bit of a both. It's not easier for the North to make a comeback but harder to completely facefuck your opponent.
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>>341082201

Dat avallach nerf, is he even worth running now?
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>>341081454
Unless your spy is something like a 1 or 0, what's the point in trading strength for a random card? Might as well not have a spy in your deck, you still have the same chance of drawing a good card instead.

I'm probably missing something.
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>>341081518
>Hey guys we're focusing on Witcher for 2016, we'll start talking about Cyberpunk in 2017
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHY AREN'T THEY TALKING ABOUT CYBERPUNK IN 2016?
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>>341082753
If I am reading the symbols correctly he lets you draw 3 cards.
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guess i'm just posting everything. monsters seemed to have gotten some good buffs.
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Going to cause so much butthurt with these.
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>>341082201
That's Saskia though
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>>341082075
*Warsaw fuck me.
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>>341082201
avalach has a different ability than dijkstra now
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>>341068010
>card game
Cancer
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>>341082815
The base strength of cards is mostly irrelevant. The abilities are what is most important.
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>>341083198
pose was similar to cerys but i forgot hers has the shield maidens with her
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As someone who actually like to play it sometimes I don't see it as stand alone product
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>>341083083
>mfw losing my 3 linked Crinfrid Reavers cards
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>>341082815

The word is consistency

>>341078542

Also its a easy way to pass a turn, force your opponent into wasting a move. Like if you have no intention of winning round 1, you can drop all your spies, you either force your opponent to pass the turn or they will have to over extend.

If they pass, you can get a easy round win, if they over extend, you will still have a 10 card hand for rounds 2 and 3.

Spys are still going to really strong.
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OMG ANOTHER CARD GAME.

BEST EVAR XD
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>>341084615
Falseflagging redditness is worse than being an actual Redditor.

Cordially kys.
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>>341083015
that would be cool but only really worth it if he also has an exception to the new "keep one" spy rule.
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>>341085089
>excited for card game shit
Nah you kys. You're the cancer killing gaming
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>>341085120
"Keep one" icon has one card crossed out, he just have an icon with three cards and an arrow up.
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>>341073389

>Northern Realms the best deck
>Not Skellige
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>all cards with female charcters will have naked reverse
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>>341085830

>scorch
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>>341085830
Hello Monnier!
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>>341085830
NK>Nilfgaard>Monsters>Scoiatael>the cards wenches gave you in W1 without stats>Skellige

And please do not tell us about your 4 card combo meme builds that DO NOT WORK.
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I wonder if they will try to sell us "the witcher 3 classic cards".
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ps4 can't even into card games
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>>341086454
with the new card balance skellige will probably be much better
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>>341086867
It's just for beta
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>>341068236
5 decks m8
>Nilf
>monst
>north
>scum elves
>non canon skellige trash
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>>341087528
Did you actually watch the reveal?
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So who has signed up for the beta?
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>>341087528
>WELCOME TO GWENT - Deck Building Become a master cardsmith and battle friends from around the world!
Pick your side -- command 5 different factions: the mighty Nilfgaardian Empire, proud Skellige, brutal Monsters, cunning Northern Realms or shadowy Scoia’tael.
>http://www.gwentdb.com
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>>341068010
is this free to play like hearthstone?
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>>341088424
>>341088038
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>>341087528
>Mel Blade
kek
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>>341088320
signed up as soon as he said the site name.
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Signed, but no confirmation email so far
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Future Gwent decks:
>Northen Kingdoms
>Nilfgaard
>Monsters
>League of Sorceress
>Skellige
>Toussaint
>Ofir
>Kovir
>Zerrikania
>Scoia'tael
>Mahakan
>Brokilon
>Bandits/Marauders
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>>341084336
That Triss is so hot, I have a thing for girls with braces
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>>341089368
>League of Sorceress
No, sorceresses are in other decks already
>Ofir
>Zerrikania
Not enough flavor
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>>341089368
Northen Kingdoms could easily be split into three or more factions
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>>341090283
>Ofir
Arabs and arabshit
>Zerrikania
Blowing shit up
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>>341089368
>League of Sorceress
nope
>Toussaint
part of nilfg
>Mahakan and Brokilon
elves deck mostly
>Bandits/Marauders
basically elves
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Will this be as popular as hearthstone?
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>>341084336
>the only black guy is Zoltan
I fucking love it
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>>341090860
nah, not enough fanbase
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>>341090860
no chance, cdpr is no blizzard
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>>341090745
>part of nilfg
Actually not and clashes with Nilfgaard's theme.
>elves deck mostly
Mahakam is non-terrorist dwarves and Brokilon is dryads not elves
>basically elves
There no elf bandits in Witcher games
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>>341090860
No chance
Though I believe they will get some decent following
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>>341068401
Why are you people so desperate for Blizzard stuff to do badly? It's kind of sad.
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>>341091624

Pretty much this, they might have to expand past the witcher mithos if they want to keep it alive for longer 3-5 years.
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>>341093260
Can't really deviate from the witcher series in this though. They'll just have to make new cards from regions that haven't been expanded on yet.
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>>341089368
In addition. Probable future Witcher spinoffs:
>Some arena shooter garbage a'la Overwatch
>North vs South strategy game
>At least one game on Witcher 3 engine/gameplay model not featuring Geralt
>some mobile grindfest
>PnC adventure game starring Dandelion/Zoltan or alternatively Walking Dead style "adventure game"
>Love Live rip-off also starring Dandelion
>Witcher school simulator
>Some puzzle game about making elixirs
>Part game pack
>Witcher pseudo-MMO (instanced action game with open world limited to one city) outsourced to South Korea
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>>341093934

I mean they could, with other IP's. People may not like it, but its the only way I don't see the game not getting stale.

Unless they push out a new witcher game, they can't really stay pure witcher if they want gwent to have haven long running success.
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>>341091502
>There no elf bandits in Witcher games
Elf detected.
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>>341072898
you have no idea what you're missing, nigger

>load up with spies
>decoy any enemy spies opponent throws down and use them too
>steal another spy from their discard pile
>throw that
>biting frost :^)
>gg
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>>341091502
>Actually not
yup you are right there, my bad
>Mahakam is non-terrorist dwarves and brokilon is dryads not elves
Mahakam is mostly non human as whole Scoia'tael deck, it can be merged I think. Brokilon have dryads and what else? More Scoia'taels because they seek help there
>There no elf bandits in Witcher games
bandits/scoia'taels/terrorists/ still the same
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>>341094557
They are terrorist which are fundamentally different.
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>>341094273
SOME-BODY'S BUTT-HURT
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>>341094690
the only good elf is a dead elf
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NILFGAARD CONFIRMED LATER
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>>341095817
src
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>>341095963
Cdpr representative durring Dorrito pope stream said "you just have to wait for it a bit longer"
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>>341096325
I guess they need to rework Nilfgaard but want to keep the unique playstyle.
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>>341095278
Additional Witcher goods:
>gaming clothes imitating Witcher gear
>Witcher energy drinks named after various elixirs
>Witcher anime
>Witcher power-metal album
>Witcher pnp RPG (this one is actuallr confirmed lol)
>Witcher Eurogame about being a merchant or some shit
>In-universe Witcher books not written by Sapkowski
>Witcher-themed Cyberpunk items for people who pre-order the game
>Witcher themed sex-gadgets (Griffon dildos)
>Witcher Lego
>Witcher skirmish wargame (Mordhaim style)
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>>341096628
too many spies to tweak.
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>>341094273
>North vs South strategy game
That would be great. Only there should be more factions rather than just two.
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>>341096708
Where's Witcher toilet paper and Witcher condoms?
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>>341097321
>Witcher condoms

Should be called Quen.
Or perhaps Yrden?
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>>341096708
>>Witcher power-metal album
Not power metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rx_AA5GfNE
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>>341096708
>gaming clothes imitating Witcher gear
already done that

>Witcher energy drinks named after various elixirs
great idea

>Witcher power-metal album
there's witcher power metal opera already

>In-universe Witcher books not written by Sapkowski
not gonna happen
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Trailer just been uploaded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqNet72FPF8
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>>341097709
>not gonna happen

Literally one day after he dies
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>>341097947
>Implying he'll die
Vodka is the only source of energy for Poles.
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>>341097321
>Witcher condoms
muh lore
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Well a big amount of jews left poland so Gwent won't be as cash crabbing as Hearthstone.
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>>341098386
>left
THEY WERE MURDERED IN THE HOLOCAUST

SIX MILLION OF THEM

NEVER FORGET THE SHOAH
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>>341098386
>Well a big amount of jews left poland

Yeah, through fucking chimneys
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Are they going F2P with expansions and paid content or paywall with free updates?
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>>341098618
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>>341071023
Nord has more revival cards, so you could use your entire deck if you planned your hand right, also Nord spies had lower attack values.

It was easy to break the game with them if you had the medics and archer with revive and Gwen in your deck, I remember hands where I basically could play my entire 24 deck card with devastating results.
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>>341092605
All they do is steal shit like they stole TF3 from Valve and they get rewarded for it. There's no depth, no innovation, it's all just focus grouped to death and it works. It's disfusting.
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>>341098618

Fuck off I choked on my gamerfuel
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>>341098618
kek
thanks for laugh anon
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>>341098618
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>>341098618
oh you nigger
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>>341098334
>Shoot blanks like a witcher: Witcher Condoms.
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>>341098618
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>>341100612
more like witcher vasectomy
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>>341080019
LOL

You either pay or you lose.
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>>341096708
>Witcher Lego
We have better bricks in Poland, Cobi is the new hotness
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>>341103064
Is Poland the China of Europe?
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is this some kind of android game or is it on pc or what?
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>>341103064
what is this magical place ?
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>>341103793
PC/PS4/Xbone
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>>341103064
>that giganigga as criminal
fuck I bet you can't get it here
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>>341068010
>i like mobile games
gtfo
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>/v/ excited for a p2w card game

This place is casual as fuck now. Holy shit /v/.
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>>341104339
it's not even a mobile game...
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>>341068010

RIP Jewstone
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>>341080948
It is Polish name of it.
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>>341106616
pls make it happen
Some people would move to Gwent as Hearthstone is p2w and Gwent (without Nilfgaard) is mostly skill and bluff
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>people are actually looking forward to this
we did it reddit. we did it.
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>>341109638
It's the only good game left this year.
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>No Nilfgaard

What the fuck, how am I supposed to spam spy cards 2 win now?
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A bit offtopic but why do so many people force to believe that Hearthstone requires some skill? I'm not overextending by far not. Once you know basic skills like 7 is greater than 4 or it is not worth to go face there is 0 skill involved. Seriously. Try go to legend it only depends on how many games you play since the winrate is slightly over 50% when you have a decent deck from the internet.
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>>341111256
Use Northern Realms? Their spies are better and they have those sweet bond cards.
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>>341084336
>>341091108
We wuz dorfz n' sheit.
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>>341112147
It requires patience I don't have
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>>341068010
Oh great, its more of that shitty little shallow cardgame only monglets like, and no one asked for.
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>>341086867
Why would anyone even play a card game that probably doesn't even have 3D graphics on a console? Even mobile would be a better fit for this game.
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>>341068010
Why does it say Gwint?
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what is the release date?
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>>341114951
3 blue commandos plus horn is a great combo
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>>341121162
Hahahahhaah epic, simply epic. Xd, can you post it on Reddit please?
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>>341068010
>Gwent
>image Gwint
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Is there a reason they dropped Nilfgaard?
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>>341123230
Too OP.
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>>341073596
>it requires minimal skill
Just like Chess requires minimal skill, right?
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