Are opinions of people who pirate games less valid than opinions of people who buy them.
>>341042307
No. On the contrary, actually
No, in fact they're more valid because pirates are not subject to post-purchase rationalization.
>>341042307cuntboy
>>341042307
I have all this garbage.
I've actually played about 200 of them.
Over 200 more are in backlog.
The rest is a mix of buyer's remorse and indie bundle trash, but I did start them up and at least tried them out. The majority were completely forgettable, and a handful weren't even possible to get through the main menu on before I quit.
Of course
Why should you create a product for people who don't intend to pay for it?
It's the opposite, actually. Firstly, people who pirate are more likely to be enthusiasts who consume a lot of media in general, and as such have more points of comparison and more realistic idea of what they should be able to demand. Secondly, they aren't subject to post-purchase rationalization.
>>341042307
that otter looks very suspicious
Yes. Pirates are usually biased against the developer, which is why they pirate.
no, if anything theyre more valid because they aren't bound by money and post purchase rationalization
>>341043549
Pirates pirate because they lack money.
they're more valid because they're immune to post purchase rationalization
>>341042307
If anything people who pirate have more honest opinions has they don't have to justify their purchase bias.
>>341043673
Yeah, sure they do
Also that isn't a valid reason to pirate.
>>341043549
Your a retard
>>341042307
More relevant to other potential customers looking for an unbiased opinion as >>341042429 pointed out,
but completely irrelevant to developers/publishers
People who pirate have way less investement into the game, they didn't sacrifice anything for it.
Is it less or more valid? Hard to say, but since pirating a game has an obviously lower entry hurdle (it's free) on average you'll have way more people who try it out even if they don't like the genre/the developer/the game at all, so they'll criticize it more.
If someone buys the game it's obviously because it has an invested interest in it that justifies purchasing it, so buyers on average will be more satisfied with what they buy.
tl;dr they're both skewed points of view
>>341042307
This is like the furry version of those human fanarts of ponies.
>>341043861
People who pirate by large spend MORE money on media than people who don't, though (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/05/file-sharers-are-content-industrys-largest-customers/ https://torrentfreak.com/0-more-on-content-than-honest-consumers-130510/ etc). Clearly, the bulk of them can be convinced to buy media at least from time to time, and as demonstrated by their ability and willingness to get it for free if they wanted, you'd expect their purchase decisions to be more influenced by the quality of the product than those of buyfags who'd buy it regardless.
>>341042307
who cares they both play games
>>341044370
This may be true, but on an individual basis, if a person pirates a game and never buys it, their opinion is completely irrelevant so far as the developer is concerned. Now more than ever vidya is a money-first industry.
If its the case of the person not buying it because its a sub-par product, then they are part of a minority that is unfortunately not worth catering to as for each of them there are ten idiots who will lap shit up regardless.
tl;dr the pirate who refuses to pay for shit quality is not profitable in modern vidya
look, I think most of us know why this thread exists
>>341044290
It isnt
>>341045371
They fucked up her tail, I thought it was a normal otter tail
>>341045371
Op here.
I was not trying to start a Mikhaila art thread.
I just posted a random picture because i am too lazy to find a relevant one.
>>341045781
alright
sorry for the intrusion
>>341045684
Its furry art its not supposed to be anatomically or species correct.
>>341046025
No every other pic that has her has the proper tail
>>341045371
Remove Mikhalia and I would use this as a background.
It's so pretty
>>341046270
Only the non official artwork.
tsampikos the owner of the character draws her whit the strange tail officially.
>>341042307
I'd say more valid, save for any opinion they might have on multiplayer, which is usually inaccessible.
>>341046663
well fuck him and his faggot name pronunciations
>>341045969
I would like you to continue if you don't mind.
>>341046743
I kinda agree with this actually
Because they won't feel the need to justify their purchase
>>341042307
Not at all. That is a semi-retarded statement infact.
Pirates have no investment in the game. Therefore their opinions come with less bias. If it is a shit game, they will call it a shit game. A buyfag on the other hand is more likely to put up with a shit game and look for that silver lining because they are already invested.
>>341046923
Wouldn't someone who bought something also be more likely to more disappointed?
If you got a shitty flash game for free, you probably wouldn't mind but if you paid 60 bucks for it you definitely would
This is gross. Otters should only be loved by other otters.
>>341047301
I guess it would depend on the person
>>341047451
otters are fucking niggers
>>341042429
This is the only valid option.
People who buy games, even if they're shit will try to make it seem like it's a good game just because they bought it. Pirates don't have to.
To be fair.
If i you buy a game you cant refund on and it turns out its kinda meh you are more likely to be disappointed.
If you just pirated it you only lost a few hours and no money.
Fuck buying physical games that have an online activation.
Its literally a no refund scheme.
I am almost glad its not a thing anymore and you can only buy them digitally and have a refund window.
I still cant believe i sold my DJ hero controller for this pile of broken online play shit.
>>341047451
Let me sing you the song of my people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIasWWs-ZxI
>>341042520
>>341045371
Oh now I get it
No. If anything they can be more valid as there's no post-purchase rationalization or buyer's remorse.
Lack of fiscal baggage to not dilute the opinion of the game. also DmC was a piece of shit and I pirated that.
>>341042420
>>341042429
This isnt true at all but just something elitists like to think to validate themselves. Most people are able to determine if a gaming experience is good or not regardless. I've purchased my share of a few shit games that just sit on the shelf collecting dust.
The whole getting your hours worth out of a game doesn't really hold over well when it's with a fame you don't like but are forcing yourself to play to get your money's worth. You would just be losing time playing a game you dislike ontop of the money you paid.
>this thread
>>341042429
>>341042934
>>341043583
>>341043721
>>341048817
what the hell is this memery
I've never seen so much buzzword on /v/ before
>>341042307
No. All opinions are completely and totally invalid, all the time, of anything.
>>341050263
http://www.jstor.org/stable/3150288?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
>>341050263
>memery
>>341050903
I don't care if you have a source for the terminology. I've just never seen /v/irgins behaving so much like robots before.
>>341042307
It can't be, after all, if that were the case why would we trust the opinion of reviewers who get free copies from the publisher?
fuck otters
>>341042307
Is that your fursona, OP? :3
>>341042307
Not sure. As >>341042934
Said, they are not subject to post purchase rationalization.
However, this does also provide a problem as you don't learn the value for money. The game I regret buying the most is destiny, as I pre-ordered it. This made me more annoyed at how low on content it was. (60$)
Had the game been f2p, I probably wouldn't have minded the lack of content as it wouldn't have felt remorse for buying it.
It's a tricky question. I really don't know.
thread's dyingINCOMING
>>341067220
get to it, then
>>341067220CUNTBOY
>>341068764
Aye aye, cap'n!
>>341068979
Fucking cuntboy
>>341042420
Pirates are some of the most entitled manbabies on earth.
>>341069320
You are really hung up on that, aren't you? The dick isn't everything
>>341069501
ARRRGH
>>341042420
If you ask a pirate if a game is worth buying, the answer is always "no."
>>341042307
Yes.
>>341070657
>Scar
Fucking faggot
>>341042820
I've played maybe 50 of mine to completionSend help
>there are people in this thread that hate the otterfu
>>341072384
I hate that the cuntboy has a fucked up tail
>>341072384
The design isn't very appealing to me
>>341073720
That's because you're gay
>>341072782
I hate that the tail comes out of her back
that wouldn't stop me from plowing her ottercunt, though
>>341073845
NahI'm bi. But the design isn't very good. Nothing about it stands out and looks very generic. Only reason it's notable is because of the artstyle.
>>341074443
Its because she's a fucking nigger
>>341074443
>>341073720
Luckily, I'm easily impressed
>>341074820
Nah, there's plenty of "black" furry characters I can get off to.
>>341042307Is that otter a cuntboy or girl, I could never figure that out
>>341074947
hey look a proper tail
>>341075480
KEK
GET FUCKED OTTERFAGGOTS
>>341075480
The artist says it's an athletic, flat chested a girl.
>>341042307
Pirates don't have the post purchase rationalization phase.
>>341050263
Great argument
>>341075986
goats > otters > my feces > sheep
>>341076171
Thank you.
Turn up the lewd!
>>341076903
cuntboys need to fuck off
>>341061180
>However, this does also provide a problem as you don't learn the value for money.
This assessment is doomed to failure from the start, because the apparent value of money varies wildly depending on the person. In plain words: The more dollars in one's bank account, the less valuable each individual dollar seems to be.
To the heir of a Middle Eastern kingdom, $10,000 for the super deluxe version of After Burner Climax will doubtless seem like chump change, whilst the Darfur refugee, who barely managed to scrape together the Sudanese pound equivalent of five bucks by scavenging the corpses of his fellow villagers after they were massacred by rampaging bandits, would no doubt balk at the thought of spending it all to download Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved.
These are of course extreme examples, but the point is that all of us lie at different points somewhere between them, and therefore the arbitrary assessment of complete strangers who has no idea of our financial situation is in no way helpful to any of us (not even to the mythical "average gamer", who, if he exists at all, is doubtless in the minority).
What at the end of the day you expect (or should expect), is not an assessment of a game's price but of its quality compared to other games in the same genre; once you have that, you can then contrast your bank balance and your desire to play a game against the publisher's asking price, and make your decision.
How could a modern action game ever compete in the "value for money" stakes with something like Chess or Europa Universalis? And what would be the point of us pitting them against each other anyway? Is an hour-long game of basketball more worthwhile than a one-minute long skydive, simply because it lasts longer? Would you like some apples with your oranges, sir? Have you ever had an orgasm?
>piratefag opinions are less valid than buyfag opinions
>vote with your wallet
You can't have it both ways. If playing a game is a prerequisite to having a valid opinion then you can't just discredit anyone who doesn't pay the same amount you did for it.
Im not replying to you faggot
>>341077637
fuck off you stupid jew
stop trying to derail a derailed thread
>>341077637
bazinga
>>341042307
The opinions of those that buy games might be biased because they spent money on it. The opinions of those that don't buy games might be biased because they didn't spend money on it.
>>341077637
I've seen this image probably 20 times on /v/ and not once have I replied to it. My mother is still alive. Maybe if I reply to it she will die.
>>341078079
>The opinions of those that don't buy games might be biased because they didn't spend money on it.
That's not how it works. Unless you're saying all critics are biased.
>>341077047
She's not a cuntboy, just a flat-chested girl.
let me help you forget about mr. bazorple here
>>341078795
>athletic
>wears hoop earrings
Im calling bullshit on this character
>>341077637
darn
>>341079192
She clearly wears them when she's not being athletic.
>>341069501
t. shitstained manbaby industry apologist
>>341079192
Shh you'll make her angry
>>341079679
Example
>>341080142
>predator so shit at catching fish he needs a knife
Furfags really are this autistic?
>>341070548
>>341080726
>he
It's a girl.
I want bellwether to go
>>341081667
Go fuck yourself you faggot animal fucker
>>341077135
>Letc me take your example, extreme it out the ass thenot offer no counter-reason
Of course you can use an extreme example, but the question didn't specify judge a game by what. You say value for money is a bad way to judge, ok, but you can also say that your experience may be invalid after playing a game, because you've played better or worse games before.
It's like saying that that wartorn poor child would find halo centre more fun than someone who has played halo 3, as the wartorn child has not played a game before.
And all your questions at the end of the paragraph are fucking retarded.
>>341083125
Halo CE, not centre
>>341083125
>k, but you can also say that your experience may be invalid after playing a game, because you've played better or worse games before.
what the fuck does this even mean
what is your point here
>>341077637
>>341083125
Except he did add counter reason, you just completely disregarded it and ironically misrepresented his argument.
>but you can also say that your experience may be invalid after playing a game, because you've played better or worse games before.
That doesn't make a lick of fucking sense.
>>341083125
>Letc me take your example, extreme it out the ass thenot offer no counter-reason
>It's like saying that that wartorn poor child would find halo centre more fun than someone who has played halo 3, as the wartorn child has not played a game before.
Do you not see the irony here?
>And all your questions at the end of the paragraph are fucking retarded.
Way to miss the point completely and confirm you're fucking retarded.
>people having actually having intelligent discussion while posting smooth cuntboy otters
This is how /v/ should be
>>341084965
>cuntboy
She's not a cuntboy.
>>341083125
>It's like saying that that wartorn poor child would find halo centre more fun than someone who has played halo 3, as the wartorn child has not played a game before.
Yes? Someone who has played more games and has more experience with them is going to be able make better value judgements than someone who is completely uninformed about games regardless if he's is a destitute wartorn child
This has fuckall to do with value for money, I don't know why you're trying to shift the argument.
>>341084965
Oh, sorry
I was eating
>>341084965
this is what happens when we have E3 stickies to keep the twitch and reddit kids entertained
>>341083125
If anything playing other games gives your opinion more credibility, not the otherway around.
You have to be literally fucking stupid to argue otherwise
>>341077637
Not otter.
>>341077637
hello
>>341085543
Why is he sweating?
>>341086523
>he
But it's a girl.
>>341086523
Becauseshe'sbeing loaded with gryphon dick
Orshe'sjust wet
>>341084965
Nope. I give up. I give in to the cuntboy.
>>341087796
She's not a cuntboy.
>>341077135
Wtf did I just read.
>>341088015
http://insomnia.ac/commentary/on_value_for_money/
it's from this
>>341077135
>prices don't matter because some people have more or less money
>people shouldn't consider prices when deciding if a game is worth.
Bruh
>>341088578
That's one of the dumbest articles I have ever read.
>>341088945
how so?
Welp, I need to go to work
Leaving you all with something special
>>341042307
I know this is a ruse, but there are people who actually think like this
Brainwashing is really easy on social media and normies are social creatures, not even on the internet can they b themselves
>>341089402
Mikhaila is the perfect girl.
>>341088578
That link gave me an article that's full of stupid arguments. No one said that a costlier product gives a better product.
>>341061180
This anons original point (from what I understood) was that if you don't buy a game you can't tell if the game was worth it.
>>341089402
have a good day and thanks for the otter, anon
>>341089402
Fucking cuntboy
>>341090410
Not a cuntboy.
>>341090493
Fuck you
>>341089042
>if you have money you can't tell value for money.
If you have no experience in games, you can't tell if a game is bad or not.
Of course if a person has an edge case-scenario, they can't tell if a game is money worth or not. For the vast majority of people, this isn't an issue.
>>341091521
Please do.
>>341042307
Yes. But only when it comes to their opinion of what developers should do next.
If you don't pay, you get no say
>>341084063
>>341084923
>>341085361
These posts are awfully similar. Samefag?
>>341091809
I dont fuck boys
>>341092898
I understand.I wish I was a cuntboy anyway.
>>341091553
he never said that you can't tell value for money if you have money
value for money is a dumb thing to judge the quality of a game against because personal economy varies a lot from person to person
>>341094006
"To the heir of a Middle Eastern kingdom, $10,000 for the super deluxe version of After Burner Climax will doubtless seem like chump change, whilst the Darfur refugee, who barely managed to scrape together the Sudanese pound equivalent of five bucks by scavenging the corpses of his fellow villagers after they were massacred by rampaging bandits, would no doubt balk at the thought of spending it all to download Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved"
It seems like he did.
>>341094006
Op never specified whether it was an opinion on quality. He just said opinions overall, so I gave my feedback on whether people who pirate games can give an opinion on money for worth.
>>341094494
ten thousand bucks for a kickass video game is fucking nothing to an oil sheik, he could sit his ass on his golden toilet and do nothing except buy ten thousand buck arcade games and play them back-to-back, 18 hours a day for a solid month and he would still be retardedly wealthy, to him that IS good value for money (and don't come and tell me that the ultra-rich don't know the value of money)
how can a reviewer go and tell him that no, after burner climax super deluxe edition had extremely poor value? Isn't it that value depends on your economy? So why should the reviewer judge the game by that, and not just mention it's price and maybe longevity for the reader to judge for himself? After all, he knows best how he's willing to spend his money, the reviewer knows nothing about the stranger reading his review.
It's not like games are some sort of infinitely scaleable good, like buying land, or soldiers in an RTS or something. It's like food, noodles may have an incredible cost-to-content ratio, but if I'm even moderately wealthy I'm going to buy food that tastes good, because my stomach is limited, just like you don't play every fucking free to play game there is, despite it having "infinite value" for money.
>>341095447
Sure, but why can't a pirate judge if a game is worth their money? He knows how much it costs, you don't get some magical insight in the true value for money just from having a slimmer wallet.
