I've been stuck on this boss for a minute now, and it's so werid.
Why does it look like it's holding an invisible baby? Why does it keep talking to it? Why does it cry when the invisible baby dies? Why does it then go in a fuck my shit up rampage after? Why does it seem like my attacks hit the invisible baby sometimes?
>>341040612
Are you downsyndrome
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
>>341040612
COME OUT OCELOT
YOU ARE BORN OF DRAGONS, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR
>>341040612
Just stab him in his gargantuan scrotum
SWEET LITTLE OCELOTTE
DEEPEST LORE
is this a meme? i don't get on the souls threads much.
>>341041363
GET OUT OCELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
No, but in all seriousness.
Oceiros had a kid with the Queen of Lothric called Ocelotte, after which she up and vanished. Something's clearly up with the baby, because the lore talks about their line resorting to 'unspeakable means'. Does that mean the baby's actually in his hands during the fight? Probably not, since Oceiros asks where his child has gone during the battle. Chances are the whole thing is him going off the deep end. When you do enough damage you get rid of what's left of his sanity and he goes full dragon mode.
Where's the real Ocelotte? Fuck if I know.
>>341041363
It is a meme.
Basically Oceiros has an invisible cross-breed dragon baby in his hands (his son). It dies after he smashes it into the floor in the second half, though its death screams were censored and found in the files primarily
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6vCZdcp6hE
>>341042165
>0:18
wtf
>>341042165
well, that settles that.
Miyazaki has a hard on for child killing as of late
>>341042165
This really doesn't sound like it would have gotten into the game, even as a dropped detail.
>>341042165
Where are people getting this shit from? Why would he smash it on the floor? He even starts rambling about how he can't find the child after you lower his health suggesting he's not holding it anymore. Why would it be invisible?
>le priscilla!
She went invisible at will and it was just a shitty boss mechanic. There's literally nothing to suggest dragons can go invisible inherently.
>>341042782
Nigga, DeS had you straight up murdering aborted babies in rivers of shit, why would killing some ugly mutant baby lizard be any worse?
>>341042782
idk what that means but ok
I just want to know how the conversation for making this went. And how much of a raise the sound designer asked for in return.
>>341043082
Stock sounds.
>>341043073
>one dragon half-breed had the power to turn invisible but just because it totally seems like he's holding an invisible child doesn't mean his dragon half-breed child has the power to turn invisible!
>>341043073
there's nothing wrong with the cross breed invisibility idea, especially since there's only evidence for it and nothing that contradicts it, as is evident by your hot air.
Oceiros can't see his child anymore, that's more than enough for him to go off the way he does. At first I thought it was the player killing the baby which then causes his rampage, but the cut content makes it pretty apparent that he killed it himself.
>>341043449
>but just because it totally seems like he's holding an invisible child
It doesn't though.
>"Ocelotte, where have you gone? Are you hiding from me?"
>still acts like he's carrying something
>>341043714
Explain why the only other crossbreed in Dark Souls 3 can't go invisible. Explain how the child could even possibly be as young as it is.
>>341044094
you mean Yorshka? What makes you so sure she can't go invisible? And what is your second question even getting at?
The idea is that the child is NOT actually there and Oceiros is mad with grief.
The reason there's horrible baby-death noises in the sound files is because the dude crushing his baby was the original plan, but they dropped it because it was too hardcore.
If you listen closely, Oceiros imitates the baby cries himself.
>>341044094
Look at his model. The arm that isn't holding his staff is bent with the hand open, it's exactly the pose it would be in if, say, he were carrying a baby in it.
>>341044747
As unlikely as that is to begin with, you can sometimes hear the baby crying at the same time he says something anyway.
>>341042165
Jesus fuck
>>341044094
>can't go invisible
you just said yourself that Priscilla could go invisible at will tho
I'm going to side with the baby killer side of this tbqh, there's enough in its favor
>>341042165
>check out thread since got curious from OP's question
>listen to this
>nope.
close tab
>>341045014
I mean, if you REALLY want to believe there's an invisible baby that gets crushed to death there is enough evidence to say it. I'm just telling you what is widely considered the truth.
well if anyone wants to help me beat him, level 80-ish xbox one i'll be on around the time the cavs game starts tonight 'cause that's my excuse for plans tonight
>>341045680
>widely
I somehow doubt that
especially when we both agree there's enough evidence to say something entirely different
>>341044747
This, though they probably dropped it more because it was a retarded idea than it being too "hardcore".
His child dies so he becomes mad with grief and sits in isolation for a while becoming deluded and obsessed until the player walks in on him. As he's weakened, he slowly starts to acknowledge that his baby is fucking dead, first with noting that he's no longer holding him and then with full acceptance before he goes full primal, shouting ocelote's name.
But nah, he's holding some super special newly born invisible baby and he randomly decides to smack it on the ground because ??? and he's just chilling in some rundown shithole because it's comfy.
>>341045439
>>341045101
You guys are bitches, it's literally a stock baby crying sound with a squish sound played on top of it.
>>341046113
kek
at least go out with some dignity
>>341042165
Cut != Censored
This is a great find though, but there's no fucking way it could ever get into the game.
>>341046318
>that projection
Couldn't agree more.
>>341045680
Gott agree with this guy, I've seen the fight a number of times and I've NEVER heard baby crushing noises.
If it gets cut it is no longer in the lore, so I'm on the consumed king wracked with guilt opinion.
Plus I mean come on, smashing a baby to death is a little hardcore don't you think? Maybe they toyed with the idea but it got cut in the end, probably cause they realized how fucking bonkers it is, so went with tragic over just plain uncomfortable.
>>341042165
>yfw
>>341046246
You clearly have no imagination.
Thinking about what would have to happen to a baby to even vaguely make that sound is what's fucking people up.
>>341046471
he still does the crushing at the start of phase 2, just with no sound effect. If they'd completely redone that, then we could maybe say they'd cut the idea completely. But that, plus the screaming stopping, plus the cross breed thing makes it seem like this is still the intent.
>>341042154
Dead. If what I read in another thread was true there's textures for a dead baby in the game files.
>>341046717
>plus the screaming stopping
Nope, still plays in phase 2.
How does the baby ends up back in his hands if he can't find him?
ocelotte will be dlc
>>341046736
That, I'd need to see evidence of to believe.
>>341047189
That could literally be anything.
>>341047189
Yeah, no.
>>341047081
It does stop in phase 2. I've heard it once past that point right at the start, but never againI was paying attention to this for some reason don't ask why
And the baby does not leave his hands until the start of the second phase. And again his dialogue makes perfect sense if he's holding and invisible baby in his hands, and as the people opposed to this love to talk about he's a little fucked in the head.
>>341047316
>>341047373
Here's the unused alive baby texture of you née further proof
so does 3 run just as smoothly as the previous games on pc? I'm still using my gtx 650 and assume it'll run just fine, but i'm checking with yall niggas first before i pick it up.
>>341047427
>And the baby does not leave his hands until the start of the second phase
https://youtu.be/a6BMVgkz4Fs?t=1m30s
Still first phase f@m
>>341046471
He can't just be going crazy if we hear baby noises. The idea that he's making them himself is incredibly stupid.
>>341047627
It runs like shit.
>>341040612
Everything about Consumed King made me feel a hard case of Deja Vu about DaS II's missing content.
In the game files there are sounds for him crushing the baby and it giving out a death scream. The crushing noise itself is heard in the game when he enters phase 2.
I guess they wanted to push people's buttons with infanticide, but Bamco red lighted the idea, so instead the whole fight is just a bunch of nonsense.
>>341047812
I don't get it
he's still clearly holding the baby at that point
>>341047971
Hence why it makes no sense for the baby to be invisible since that'd suggest it's still in his hands when he's clearly telling us it isn't.
>>341042154
Aldia brought his "Muh Dragons" headcanon to Lothric.
>>341047627
only one game runs smoothly
>>341047627
Runs like shit on the CPU end.
>>341048193
I'm including the use of DSfix when I mention the others
>>341048259
shit, my cpu is old as fuck
>>341048083
You're missing the point. His dialogue doesn't conflict with that because one, he's crazed, and two, he can't actually see his child, therefore it's hiding, and he's begging for it to come out.
>>341042165
>0:18
Fucking political correctness, dude...
If I heard 0:18 in the game as the signal for entering phase 2, I'd be like "oh FUCK, this shit's about to get too real!".
What a memorable fight he could have been.
>>341048501
So how the fuck does he manage to smash it right after finishing the sentence? Why is he still holding air? Why would they even bother including this line in the first place?
>>341042165
He should have kept that shit in. It would have made the boss fight more depressing.
>>341048340
Phenom 2 955 at 3,8ghz and a 960 2gb
40-60 fps depending on area at high 1080p
so is the baby invisible, or was the baby cut and isn't there and the boss isn't finished for the game release?
i can't believe they wouldn't have made some adjustments since the Japan release, and months we've had since.
>>341042165
This should have been in the game tbqh.
I didn't even know there was supposed to be a baby the first time.
>>341048664
What? He crushes his son at the start of phase 2 and he says this during phase 1. He doesn't hold anything after phase 2. And I've already told you what the point of the dialogue is.
>>341049163
I'm guessing they made it so Oceiros is hallucinating the baby for the first half, and after you knock his ass around a bit he stops seeing the imaginary baby and flips his shit looking for it
>>341048571
>There's a blood/less blood/no blood toggle
>there could've been an infanticide toggle
>>341049017
cool man, that helps a lot. I have the same cpu.
>>341049163
I think they cut the baby and instead went with a gone mad plot line.
The fight still makes sense if you look at it as if he's gone off the deep end refusing to accept his baby is gone until the final phase of his fight when he enters the anger phase instead of his denial phase.
>>341049606
>>341049665
There is still a bit of baby crying in the first phase.
>>341049163
they cut the sound effects and some textures, the rest is pretty much intact.
>>341049436
You just said that phrase was used at the start of phase 2.
Watch >>341047812
>>341049895
I did not. You sound very confused.
He can physically feel the thing in his hands and cry for it to come out of hiding. Because it's invisible. This really isn't that hard to understand.
>>341049665
If he just went mad we wouldn't hear the baby noises, though. It does seem like they were planning on cutting the idea but they didn't really get rid of enough.
>>341050082
Nigga he literally asks where the baby is. He clearly isn't holding it anymore.
You're retarded.
>>341042165
o-oh....
There is no baby, you idiots.
>>341050615
>Where have you gone? Are you hiding from me?
dude, this isn't clear about that at all.
If you need me to put this into pre-teen terms think of it as a fucked up game of peek-a-boo
>>341050826
this
>>341050826
Then what the fuck do you hear in the backround?
A fucking speaker playing baby noises you fuck?
>>341050826
Then why do we hear a baby cry?
Why do we have a video of cut baby screams and death?
>>341051194
>>341051080
Dramatic effect.
An orchestra does not physically start to play off screen every time you fight a boss.
>>341051432
so no one has a real reason for the baby cries
good, at least we got that out of the way.
>>341051432
in some areas they do
and either way what does that have to do with anything
>>341050975
You're obviously very adamant in believing this retarded theory so i'll leave you to it.
>>341051292
>cut
Doesn't exist.
>>341051556
Same reason you can summon black hand gottard and then find his corpse, time is convoluted with shit phasing in and out
>>341051432
>An orchestra does not physically start to play off screen every time you fight a boss.
Prove to me that there isn't an invisible crossbreed orchestra stationed in every boss room.
Am I the only one who laughed like crazy during that part? It was fucking hilarious and over-the-top and cheesy, it had no place in a Dark Souls game. It's like they asked Mari Okada to design a boss or something.
>>341052063
>time is convoluted for this thing just because it fits my point of view
you're very new at this aren't you
>>341051913
What?
>>341052576
No, I laughed at the boss getting caught behind a tree root and spending the rest of the fight flailing ineffectually while I pelted him with arrows.
>>341052779
Ya know Im not sure anymore...Im sorry
>>341052576
I didn't really pay much attention during that fight, it was over in like 2 minutes.
>>341052576
Can't agree with you. Firstly, I found Oceiros' voice to be amazing. It's deep and demonic sounding. As the fight goes on, I find myself swept up in the tragedy (and trying to avoid getting my ass handed to me) of our poor king's situation. Everything was taken from him in a quest for power.
>>341051556
the same argument could be applied to bloodborne's omnipresent baby cries, even after you beat mergo
where is it? oh, you don't know? welp, checkmate atheists
>>341053182
but what does that have to do with this
>>341053182
That's because you never 'beat' Mergo.
Also it's a literal dream.
>>341052446
I accept this as canon.
[APPLAUSE]
>>341053182
not even remotely the same thing bruh
at this point it's clear that no one can come up with a good reason for the cries aside from the baby being real, so this talk is pretty much over.
>>341053810
Just because there's no good argument that it isn't real doesn't mean it is.
>>341053810
at this point it's clear that no one can come up with a good reason for the cries aside from the baby being a hallucination and the cries representing Oceiros being haunted by it either, so this talk is pretty much over.
>>341053810
>my fanfic hasn't been refuted yet so it's officially canon
fuck off, Vaati
>at this point it's pretty clear that my interpretation is the only right one
high level discussion here
>>341042165
>listen to the vid
>0:15 comes up
>burst out laughing
>check the comments
>everyone is acting shocked
I think I have mental problems guys
>>341053550
Bloodborne's dreams are like Lovecraft's dreamlands. They're real places on different planes of existence. "Dream" and "reality" aren't mutually exclusive in Bloodborne.
Also, Mergo dies when you kill the wet nurse. "Nightmare Slain" doesn't appear when the wet nurse dies; it appears when Mergo's crying stops.
Reminder that "babby is real but invisible" fags are the same people who thought Solaire was Gwyn's firstborn.
>>341056112
same thing when you beat the orphan and it only shows up when you slice off the shadow that remains
>>341056962
it seemed plausible enough before DS3 brought up NK
>>341057947
NK?
wuz dat
>>341058635
nameless king
>>341057947
It didn't, and it wouldn't have even if Miyazaki hadn't already stated that Andre was intended to be the firstborn before the idea of representing him in-game was dropped.
>>341054942
Do you laugh when its not appropriate? If so you have a problem like most people do, it's nothing serious.
I smiled in disbelief, and shock when I heard 0:15.
>oceiros is imitating the baby's sound or oceiros is holding an invisible baby which he crushes every time you come back to fight him
Since when is /v/ this retarded ? Next time you gonna tell me aldritch swallowed an entire band to play the music you hear while fighting him
>>341060769
What is it then?
>>341046246
Sorry, I'm trying to get as hardcore as you are, senpai!
>>341056962
Ocelotte is obviously real. Just not there.
Probably in his very own painted world.
>>341060769
I best most of these retards also believed Aldrich ate Nito and Priscilla
>>341061568
It doesn't matter where the noise is coming from or if there is any noise at all, it's about creating the atmosphere for that boss battle and give you an idea of what happened, rather than just coldly explaining it in a description
>>341061678
Of course Ocelotte is real. You know that's not what I meant.
>>341061568
is the concept of a boss being batshit insane and the game showing what's going on in his head that outlandish to you?
does everything need to be thorougly explained in the pre-bossfight cutscene?
>>341047545
any way to figure out the model shape that would've fit this texture?
>>341061678
Why would he be? Ocelotte's death most likely contributed to Oceiros' insanity.
>>341054942
laughter evolved as a fear response
>>341061678
Ocelotte is Yorshka.
>>341063782
A key indicator of autism is an inability to perceive anything other than literally.
>>341064636
Fuck you.
>>341042165
Holy fuck, imagine ENB if that was in the game
>>341064649
I thought it was supposed to be the contrary, that they have synesthesia and are more prone to believe and react to illusory shit they come up with in their own distorted perception of reality
then again, maybe I'm mistaking this for schizophrenia
>>341064636
Nah
But Irithyll is actually the painted world of Ariamis.
>>341065273
That's completely wrong and that's also not at all what synesthesia is. Do you know anything?
>>341065735
I didn't describe synesthesia at all in my post, anon
did someone bully you?
>>341065686
You too.
>>341065686
>The only two snowy places in the franchise
>Had a church dedicated to a crossbreed
>You need a doll to get in
>It's the home to unwanted and forlorn souls, the invisible slaves and one corvian.
>Connects directly with Anor Londo's Cathedral
It's still a stretch
