Why is Warcraft 2 considered a better game than Warcraft 3?
Whenever IGN, Game Informer, etc. put together a list of top 100 games, Warcraft 2 always beats Warcraft 3.
Why?
Nostalgia
>>340883227
>Nostalgia
Is that really the only reason? Or is Warcraft 2 a legit better game?
>>340883321
Warcraft 3 is easier and focused almost entirely on heroes while Warcraft 2 is full on RTS with a bold and italics S.
>>340883108
hipster trash just ignore them they think having more obscure taste makes their opinions more valid or something
it's the same reason old XCom is always ahead of new XCom
>>340883108
>Why is Warcraft 2 considered a better game than Warcraft 3?
Uh, its not
>>340883108
2 had better music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKHQB1CLowE
I'm not saying it is better or not, just that I think WC2 is more of an RTS than WC3. WC2 was more about building up your forces, getting positioning and mounting strategic attacks on your opponent and their resources, whereas WC3 was more of a tactical game revolving around controlling your few hero units and getting them levels and items as opposed to the harvest>build-up + expand>attack formula we associate with RTS. Does that maybe help a little?
>>340883321
>>340883583
so yes, WC2 is the better game. WC3 is a gimped proto-MOBA piece of shit without naval combat and fucking zeppelin transports. It's ok playing through the campaign but I would never take it seriously as an RTS.
>>340883108
Warcraft 3 is useless game for people who like story. but 2 is an actually difficult and deep game for non-casuals. Especially the expansion JEEEEAZUS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vzKgD89oOE
>>340884409
>without naval combat
Good, naval combat is the fucking worst.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10467400
http://www.strawpoll.me/10467400
http://www.strawpoll.me/10467400
>>340884582
>doesn't want naga vs. [faction] fleet scenarios
>>340884957
I think custom maps allow for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-KLr7QXpQ0
>9 unit cap
>that pathing
>Have to manually set every worker to task without rally
Man, watching some footage again after so many years, I'm surprised me and my friends could spend hours on this.
I personally enjoyed WC3 much more than the past two games.
Warcraft 3 is a way better game than Warcraft 2. Anyone who says otherwise is feeding off nostalgia.
Warcraft 3 offers more RTS elements.
>>340884409
>WC3 is a gimped proto-MOBA piece of shit
How is Warcraft 3 a MOBA?
>>340885404
See that PROTO in there? It means it's the forerunner, not an actual MOBA, and if you don't know the history of WC3 to MOBAs, you really don't belong here. The emphasis on hero units, killing random NPC enemies for gear and items, as well as having personalized items on units and not general upgrades ALL became the standard for MOBAs.
>>340885264
Actually it doesn't. it's much more a RTT game than a RTS.
>>340883108
>Why is Warcraft 2 considered a better game than Warcraft 3?
I legit have never heard anyone say this, but I do think War 2 is more fun to play.
Warcraft 2
>fast paced and mechanically intensive
>can have huge armies fighting each other, and every unit dies very fast, forcing you to have a good control over it
>spell casters are high tier units that actually feel really powerful and can change the result of the game if used right
>fucking naval battles
>really impressive for the time it was made
>GOAT soundtrack
>no retarded upkeep system
Warcraft 3
>tiny armies, doesn't feel like a war
>units take REALLY long to die
>spend more time microing your heroes than your army/production
>spend more time creeping and doing PvE than actually waging war
>was liked more for the custom games than the actual game itself
>no naval battles
>fucking upkeep system
Now, I love Warcraft 3 and still play it from time to time, but I think it was a downgrade from the second game in many ways. Come to think of it, some of the changes might have been Blizzard trying to make Warcraft feel more different from Starcraft, but I'm not really sure.
>>340884409
>naval combat in WC2
>being good
I mean I like Naval combat but it wasn't even good in that.
I personally didn't like the heroes in WC3.
>>340886006
I'm writing a article on the history of PC games. This has been the best response, yet. I do appreciate the detailed feedback.
>>340885404
you do realize that DOTA was originally a WC3 mod?
>>340884870
Everyone is saying Warcraft 2 is a better game, yet everyone is voting for Warcraft 3.
>>340885404
They mean it invented it, but I blame custom map creators not the game itself.
>>340886812
Stracraft too had "heroes" and the original map inspiration Aeon of Strife was created there.
>>340886812
Bullshit
Try again, pleb
>>340886868
>Everyone is saying Warcraft 2 is a better game
Fucking where?
>>340885121
Neutral shipyards (unless you have a particular mod) and a lack of submarines and a dedicated resource unit don't really count, it was just half-there.
>>340886240
>no naval combat
>good
Options are always a good thing even if you don't like them. It definitely gave WC2 an extra layer of strategy on some maps that WC3 simply doesn't have.
>>340886006
>>was liked more for the custom games than the actual game itself
I don't think that's a good point to compare. WC2's editor was really limted, you could mostly do melee maps. Maybe there was something more, but I have never seen it.
>>340886372
>>340886006
Instead of whoever could expand the fastest and pump out the most overpowered units like in StarCraft, they introduced heroes which were an X factor.
WarCraft 3 is superior.
>>340886935
>Stracraft too had "heroes"
Doesn't really count, might as well count WC2 "heroes" and custom missions if you're going to stretch it that far. WC3 was where it really began right down to the "lane-pushing" missions.
>WC2
>has Cho'gall
>has Teron Gorefiend
>has Gul'dan
>WC3
>has none of those
the best one is obvious
>>340883108
Wc2 was a great game, it was one of the first to really push battle.net and bring competitive gaming to where it is today. Warcraft 3 is more refined and innovative, it is a better and more influential game. Stop listening to reviewers you sheepish fuck
>>340887110
Everybody who isn't an underage tard
>>340887165
And effectively turned the game to a tactics game (as the importance of tactics outweighed strategical concerns by a wide margin)
Although I do think that was for the benefit of the game, as I don't think WC2 formula made for a good strategy game either, while I think WC3 was quite compelling and was good at what it was.
>>340887116
Custom maps - are - mods in WC3.
Anyways here's it. Implements upkeep as oil and has naval support.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbIZn92ptF0
>>340887556
>Although I do think that was for the benefit of the game
It was a result of a confused dev period where they had to switch from CRPG to RTS. How it turned out is subjective, but it isn't really an RTS anymore especially with the weight heroes have. It still has that CRPG DNA and probably would've been better off as one.
>>340887480
>and bring competitive gaming to where it is today
As usual, blizzard is to blame for all the cancer of today, thanks.
>>340887116
>Options are always a good thing
For sure. I should have the option to shit on your lawn.
>>340883108
> World Editor
Competition over.
>>340888513
>starting the world editor
>lordaeron trumpet plays
glorious.
>>340883227
>>340884013
>>340885264
Bullshit. Warcraft 3 was the beginning of the end for blizzard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU-n8UZM5Cc
>>340888497
You do, and I have the option of turning you into a gimp in my basement. Life is great ain't it?
>>340888893
It interests me that your rebuttal went to a fag place immediately.
>>340884160
And based Bill Roper, the best voice that ever worked at Blizzard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpEXhNjEeHY
>Bought Warcraft 3 at Wal-Mart for like $10
>Played a little of WC2 and a lot of Starcraft
>They spend half the manual talking about heroes
>Realize the game revolves around keeping one unit alive and abusing their abilities
>Not war, not big battles
>Post the CD Key on 4chan and throw away the disc
>Warcraft 3 is just pandering to Dota players
It hurts.
>>340888765
Man, Warcraft I and II were fucking METAL. what happened?
>>340885183
>im a babby who needs the game to play itself for me
>>340888962
>It interests me
I bet it would bb
>>340888765
>that intro
Still one of the best for setting up the whole thing
Warcraft 2 sucked ass even at the time compared to C&C, 9 units max selection, units were very smiliar to each other, both sides were exact clones, the only thing it had over it was spellcasting units
Warcraft 3 was better because it was such a great modding platform but the game itself was awful with a focus on heroes and tiny armies and units with 10000 hp and 3 damage chunking it out
>>340883108
Extreme balance.
>Best orc dps is Death Knight
>destroys buildings in seconds
>Human mainline cavalry can upgrade to pallies and one shot them.
>Both pallies and DK's are high on the tech tree.
It's very rare to see an rts where low-tier troops can stand up to high tier without swarm tactics.
>>340888137
but blizzard made 3 RTS games prior and no RPGs?
(diablo was blizzard north, an aquired company)
>>340883108
One thing I will always prefer WC1/2 for is the campaign structure, where you lead the faction you chose to total victory. The kind of "old" RTS campaign style you also find in DoW Winter Assault and DoW2 Retribution. I love that kind of thing, because no matter what your favourite faction is, the campaign lets you play it, kick ass and stomp everyone else to the ground while the narrative tells you how awesome your guys are.
With the campaigns in WC3 all being canon and happening in order, that means someone's favourite faction is going to take a beating, and some will look better than others. In my case, the humans who get kingdom wrecked in RoC, and then in TFT the last humans in Lordaeron are squashed without even getting a campaign.
>>340887017
i don't even know why i'm responding to your obvious retardation but here you go
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_the_Ancients
>Defense of the Ancients (DotA) is a multiplayer online battle arena mod for the video game Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos and its expansion, Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne, based on the "Aeon of Strife" map for StarCraft.
Aeon of Strife was, as far as anyone can tell, the first "MOBA" custom map, but DOTA was and still is the most popular
>>340883108
the campaign was just better storytelling, the maps were larger, the graphics were amazing for their time. warcraft 1 was pretty much a ripoff of dune with warhammer mythology. warcraft 2 expanded on that with new units, and an entirely new system (naval combat)
>>340891053
So? That was their rationale for making it a half-RTS halfway through development, but I think it could've been Warcraft's Baldur's Gate if they had stuck with it. Anyway doesn't matter, Blizzard is fucking dead.
>>340886006
>Come to think of it, some of the changes might have been Blizzard trying to make Warcraft feel more different from Starcraft, but I'm not really sure.
Makes an immense amount of sense considering World of Warcraft was in the works at the time.
>>340891694
oh, I didn't understand
so WC3 was originally intended to be an RPG?
probably would have been better that way
>>340883108
The same reason why people consider vanilla WoW better than Wrath or BC, nostalgia makes you forget all the shitty parts.
Warcraft 2 sucks ass.
Warcraft 3 rules.
>>340883108
I remember when WarCraft 3 was announced; everyone said the graphics looked "cartoony".
Fucking plebs.
>>340891694
"Blizzard is fucking dead"
>Just had a movie made based on their most successful franchise
How does it feel to ignore reality?
Just going off story, Warcraft 3 was shit because it introduced that stupid fucking Blizzard trope where EVERYBODY bands together to defeat the ANCIENT AWAKENED EVIL.
God the success of Starcraft really made Metzen go up his own arse.
>>340883108
It came first.
2d > 3d
>>340894114
>scraping the bottom of the barrel from the days when they actually made neckbeard content
They're about as alive as Atari or Nintendo, it's ogre as far as game development is concerned. Enjoy your CORRUPTION
Because microing units with many different spells and abilities is harder then unit spam
Wc3 was a great game for it's time sad the series died and we are stuck with sc2
>>340883108
>Why?
No hero cancer
>>340883108
Because they are bad at their jobs, and they are looking for trendsetting games vs actual good gameplay. Just look at the unit list for Warcraft 2.
Mechanically Humans and Orcs are the same faction until you get to late game, and even then the difference is thread bare. As an RTS it was very simple for it's time, and almost laughable now. WC2 is shallower then Skyrim. You can play maybe 10 matches in WC2 and see all the tricks and nuances that game has.
The only redeeming factor is the BNet edition, and even that was broken as fuck. It was a trendsetting game, but being a trendsetter does not make it good.
Does warcraft 2 run on linux? Would love to throw it on my chromebook.
warlords battlecry series is honestly much better than the warcraft series.
>>340895476
Yes (https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=592).
There's also an alternative open source engine that allows you to extract the WC2 assets and then use them on a native engine (largely identical in terms of mechanics, besides having high resolution support, larger selection sizes and such like): https://github.com/WARGUS/WARGUS
>>340883108
Warcraft 2 had a better storyline but, warcraft 3 had better mechanics.
>>340896016
You star! Many thanks.
WC1 and 2 did a better job of making it feel like you were leading an army to victory.
WC3 had better faction diversity and mechanics.
>>340896262
The Wine functionality is for Battle.net edition, mind you, for the DOS version you're ought to use Dosbox/Dosemu.
I grew up playing warcraft 1 and 2.
Then 3 came out and I play it a little bit, but dropped it quickly due elves and other stuff
And wasn't even tempted to try wow.
Wc2 is the best game
>>340889303
>he thinks wc3 was pandering to dota and doesn't know that dota got started in wc3 custom maps
Next your going to tell us that call of duty invented the gun game gametype
>>340888765
Why can't we have intros like this anymore?
>>340889056
>That voice
Damn, why didn't we have this is WC3 again? Even if he was just a hero it would have worked.
wc3 was a fucking great game. i can still remember when it came out, and there was different boxes for each race. the fucking undead cover was so goddamn cool.
god. and the graphics for wc3 were fucking amazing.
wc2 was fun too. they're both good games, but wc3 has aged much better.
even if you revamped wc2, with new textures and made it look equal to wc3 in appearance, its mechanics would seem very shallow today because blizzard was still new to the RTS genre.
>>340883108
It isn't.
>>340900083
We still do, senpai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-00uQzXyujI
>>340900083
Cashest intro ever, reporting in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCr7y4SLhck
>>340900083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXq2EPyMbtc
So cash.
>>340900956
>That Firebat
Good memories. Too bad they don't have missile launchers in the game. Also, why don't we have mission briefings and criminals being forced into war like these games? Damn Metzen and his hack writing.
>>340883108
>Why is Warcraft 2 considered a better game than Warcraft 3
Said no one ever. Enjoy your identical factions. (orcs with bloodlust are OP though)
>>340910449
>Said no one ever.
>If I just ignore it then it won't be true
>>340910449
I prefer w3 but that's probably why niggers orbitate more for that, even if orcs get a easier time A-moving when compared to paladins and holy light, it's more "balanced" thanks for it being two factions and more simple, instead of 4, some matchups are really bad (talking about 1v1), tft tried to fix some stuff like BM actually gaining more value over FS harass thanks to truesight gem being removed but theye added ships with dust for instance
>>340910449
>Said no one ever
Did you not read OP's post? He said IGN and Game Informer ranked Warcraft 2 higher than Warcraft 3. He offered two examples.
>>340911402
>>340913235
>>340913386
He's just baiting.
