What went right with Ratchet & Clank?
What went wrong with Star Fox Zero?
>>340880576
Ratchet and Clank had a movie?
>>340880576
Ratchet is on PS4, Zero is on Wii U.
>>340880943
pretty much this
but also the demographic for shitfuck and crunk are the mid 90's babby faggots who's first console was ps2. the populace behind clank is bigger than fox not only because consoles but the generational difference
85? Should be higher, it's GOTY currently.
Ratchet & Clank is good, Star Fox Zero is shit.
>>340881073
>implying Starfox is remotely relevant
Here we go. New thread meme boys, get ready for this to be forced on this board for the next 6 months.
>>340881106
An 85 with 96 critics is pretty damn good everything considered, if anything I'd bump it up a few points but keep it below a 90.
>>340880576
People with actual good taste being a minority.
>>340881360
God damn it
>>340880576
I don't get why people like the new ratchet remake. I found the controls and most of the character design changes to actually be inferior to the original
>>340880576
Forced Gyro controls went wrong with Star Fox Zero
Ratchet & Clank acknowledges that it's a remake of a classicnotice how Star Fox Zero is advertised as "returning in a new adventure"and manages to surpass it in every way, shape, and form while Star Fox 64 is still better than Zero by miles
Nintendo may be losing their touch. I'm keeping my hype suppressed for Zelda this time. They can't help but make awful design decisions for some of their games, it seems. Like, most aspects of Zelda might be good, but then there will be something really gay about it that ruins the whole thing.
>>340880576
Everyone always seems to use pictures of Tools of Destruction with shit to do with the latest Ratchet and that really triggers my autism.
>>340881949
>manages to surpass it in every way, shape, and form
Except they fucked the story and characters
please make a full length ratchet game now
thanks
Safe sequel after years of fucking up.
Unsafe sequel after years of not having a proper sequel
>>340882472
>full length
It is? It took me about the same time to beat 2016 as it did the original
>>340881073
>implying
It is no surprise Star Fox failed. Even when fans "wanted" a new star fox, a short on-rails space shooter with talking animals has no place in the current market.
>Sony pajeets infest /v/ on the run up to E3 to shit up every thread
Looks like someone has a shitty conference. Imagine getting BTFO by just one Zelda game.
>>340882860
6 hours is not a full length ratchet game
2, 3, ACIT should be the standard
>>340880915
Almost no one saw it.
-Gimmicky controls with no option to change them
-No effort put into making the story bigger than 64
-Leon doesn't even get a fight to himself which makes you wonder just how much work was put into Zero before being rushed out the door
-No cool NG+ bonuses like Star Wolf Campaign
-No Online
-Parts of 64 like Forever Train and Brain Boss Andross are cut
-Miyamoto
>>340884052
Did they show the new Zelda? When?
>>340884052
no one gives a shit about zelda aside from /v/
This was one of my least favorite Ratchet and Clank games in the series. That being said, it was still fun.
Babbies don't like shmups.
>>340884921
Star Fox Zero was originally going to be rushed out the door with less than a year of development time. In hindsight, the delay was not worth it. The game was a big flop either way and Nintendo should have cut their losses on it.
In a better world Nintendo would have just given Star Fox back to Namco and Team Aces for a proper sequel to Star Fox Assault. Really though, I would rather have had Star Fox stay dead than have Star Fox Zero. A bad game is worse than no game at all.
>>340880576
StarFox Zero was made with arrogance and laziness. To think a barebones StarFox game would sell or be worth $60 is a huge load of shit from Nintendo.
Both games are rehash garbage. It just happens that ratchet and Clank is mildly fun to play.
>>340885737
I wonder what it'd look like with even less time put into it. Too bad, Zero could've been good if the people in charge of it actually cared.
Oh and
>"proper sequel to Assault"
fuck off
>>340884052
It's going to happen.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo starts to cut into interest from Bethesda products, since they have a hardcore RPG (Xenoblade) and a hardcore adventure game (Zelda)
>>340885737
Honestly the only way to get SF back to life is by making on-foot sections actually good and enjoyable to everyone.
Namco had a good vision of the franchise with Assault, but it was clear they needed more time and freedom.
>>340886206
Nigga, are you serious?
Wow, everyone who bitches about Zero really did not play it.
Zero, in case you didn't know, features the ability to change to a land mode to an Arwing mode whenever you like. This allows you to take what made the on foot sections on Assault interesting without compromising what makes Star Fox fun in the first place. Flying into space ships and then destroying them from the inside was fucking fantastic.
Zero was great, I hope Nintendo figures out a way to sell the idea to the public next time. An online mode would do wonders, I think.
>>340886206
All of the ideas Assault brought to the series were good ones. It just needed more polish and more single player content.
Star Fox Zero's only new ideas for the series were the awful gyrowing and robot sections, and shitty meme controls. If there is ever a new Star Fox game I think it's safe to say no-one will want those back (or the stupid chicken walker, which should have died with Star Fox 2).
>>340886678
That's not what they want
They want furry third person shooter
>>340886818
Pfft. Ahaha. No one believes that. Don't be such a fag.
>oh wait you thought zoness was over
>you have to autistically destroy every lamp if you want that medal
>k thx go fuck yourself
Zero doesn't even want me to have any fun
>>340886845
The only people who want that are the ones who never played the series in the first place and only know of it from Smash and fanart,
>>340880576
>reviewers and normies biased towards sony
what a fucking surprise
>>340881073
You are incorrect, faggot. Got about 10 friends that are into r&c and we all been gaming since the early 90s. Suck a dick and enjoy it, cum guzzeling pussy
>>340886678
The on foot sections were cool because we got to control Fox directly. The chicken walker misses that point. Also, the design of the walker was awkward gay and stupid, a stark contrast to the Arwing itself. Chickens are not cool, which is why the chicken walkers in Star Wars were the butt of physical humor gags.
>>340885737
Maybe the public's tastes changed. If 64 were released today it will get the same low scores than Zero, or even worse.
>>340887451
Technically it did with 64 3D
>>340886967
If the ideas weren't shitty the game wouldn't be selling like a hot stinkin log in a box.
>>340886845
>calling others furry for liking a game ablut a talking fox
Fags like you keep the game dead
>>340887158
Yes, the solution to all of Nintendo's problems is that the gaymurz need to stop being biased!
>>340887451
Adventures & Assault would too.
>>340887368
>we got to control Fox directly
How is this cool? What's the cool factor in that?
>>340887585
So how many copies did it sell in Japan in comparison to the amount of Wii U's purchased in Japan?
>>340880576
>R&C
>3rd person on foot shooter with platforming and some spaceship action
>Zero
>on-rail arcade-y shooter released in 2016
Wew you tell me
>>340887158
> nintendo shitty game is actually rated bad vs a decent title by sony?
> BAWW, THIS IS A CONSPIRACY
You literal nintencuck, NORMIES are Nintendos bread and butter.
>>340880576
TRANSFORMATION
>>340887451
Well duh. Standards are higher. You can't release a game with N64 era production values on a modern console for $60 and not expect a backlash.
>>340880576
Ratshit is a remake of an old game with missing content and bland music. I don't think neither franchise has proven their marks in more than 10 years yet.
>>340887837
Because Fox is cool and we liked seeing that he can kick ass even when he's not in his ship. It also made Fox feel like a real video game protagonist rather than an abstract who only appears as a little icon in the corner of the screen.
>>340880576
Not only Zero was a objectively bad game, the franchise was already lost and forgotten unlike R&C which is still relevant and has a fanbase.
And that the Wii U sold like shit.
>>340887845
Japan was one of the less shitty regions for the Wii U, so that's not good.
>>340888106
One of these days the public is just going to have to accept that demanding that the GDP of a small country be spent on every single game just isn't feasible.
>>340885737
I'd take what happened with Zero over a sequel to Assault any day. Assault stripped out all the arcadey qualities I loved in 64, and put together with the horribly awkward story it ended up painfully average and generally unappealing.
>>340887887
Without normies the Wii would have been as big of a flop as the Wii U.
>>340888539
>someone that can kick ass even when he's not in his ship
Sounds more like Wolf.
Thing about Fox is no he's not that cool.
His Arwing is cooler, his ace pilot is cooler, his dad is cooler, his rival is cooler but Fox himself is meh.
>>340888648
It's Nintendo's fault that Star Fox Is not more popular. They waited 10 ducking years to release a new game, and 12 years since the last full console game (Assault). No brand can survive that kind of neglect.
>>340889386
>No brand can survive that kind of neglect.
Street Fighter managed to come back after a 10 year hiatus.
>>340888783
Star Fox Zero is ugly, there's no online multiplayer, and the story part of the game is shit. There's no excuse for how lazy this game feels.
>>340889386
Except Metroid. And DKC. And Kid Icarus too, I suppose.
>>340889476
Yeah, because Capcom actually made a good game. Zero is just as mediocre as the game that put the Star Fox franchise into a coma (Command), and in some ways is arguably even worse.
>>340889737
The outlier here is that Star Fox Zero is shit.
>>340888798
>I'd take what happened with Zero over a sequel to Assault any day
So you're fine with a critical failure that potentially ruins a series rather than a commercially successful game that at least tried to push the series forward?
I can't tell if this is selfishness, stupidity, being contrarian, or all three. Doesn't matter though, because if Zero doesn't kill off Star Fox for good, Nintendo now knows people like you shouldn't be listened to.
Zero is far too stuck in the past, and it feels like 64 except on the Wii U in way too many ways.
Star Fox Assault may have had some crap in it, but come on, Assault was still closer to what a modern, proper sequel to 64 should look like. If it adhered to the same structure as 64, it would have been a genuinely great game.
>>340880576
who cares? They're both wretched furfag games
>>340890172
he's still butthurt about that one character
>>340890172
>tried to push the series forward
Assault tried to turn Star Fox into a single-play linear story told by shooting. Star Fox is about replays and making choices.
So yes, I'd rather a critical failure that at least acknowledged what actually makes the series tick and attempted to tweak that formula than a commercial success that abandons everything besides the set dressing and basic genre.
>>340890041
hello S&P fan
>>340890172
He's probably still in denial that Zero is a failure.
>>340890661
Zero isn't worth replaying and the choices are even more meaningless than the ones in Command. At least Command had radically different endings, even if they were all hilariously stupid.
>>340890661
>>340888798
you know Assault wasn't supposed to be single player-oriented in the first place.
game was suppose to be heavily multiplayer-oriented with single player being the last thing in mind
http://www.ign.com/articles/2003/05/14/e3-2003-star-fox-2-hands-on
>>340890557
It's amazing that one character could cause so much butthurt that it's driving people to defend a game as disappointing as Star Fox Zero.
>>340893228
She's not that bad.
I want to kiss Ratchet and Fox
>>340894282
I want them to kiss each other.
>>340892960
So what you're saying is that every single star fox entry after 64 was a trainwreck.
>>340887451
>>340888106
>If 64 were released today it will get the same low scores than Zero, or even worse.
except 643D had a good reception among people and reviewers. especially with the control options and the new multiplayer.
as a matter of fact, 643D was the only reason they even gave a shit about doing Zero. it even sold enough for a Nintendo Select. (inb4 hurr muh NoA)
Zero is just shit
>>340894967
where did you get that from?
>>340894282
>>340894763
I want to be in the middle of a spit roast between them
>>340888293
Some music that isn't just orchestra shit is pretty decent man not as good as David's but still ain't half bad, try to give it a listen sometime
>>340895842
>Adventures
Was supposed to be a different game by rare until Miyamoto decided to make it a star fox game. Third act is terrible.
>Assault
Supposed to be multiplayer focused, given a weak single player
>Command
Speaks for itself really
>Zero
A remake with less content and no love and effort put into it.
>>340880576
Ratchet sure does look like he takes BBC's in the ass every night. What a faggy looking character.
>>340896048
>being gay
>>340896048
I want them to comfort each over their respective failures (R&C movie/SF: Zero)
One thing leads to another..
>>340896883
they had a Star Fox game for Triforce (via arcade; see: F-Zero AX), but they supposedly cancelled it like after Assault was nearing completion
>>340897430
You know what I'm glad it's dead then
Nintendo simply does not care about this franchise whatsoever.
>>340893491
She's actually quite lovable. Unfortunately she triggered an unprecedented amount of autism from certain fans who couldn't stand seeing a taco in their sausage party.
>>340883323
Fans wanted a complete game without forced motion controls and with multiplayer.
Given they do have 2player but its frightening that Nintendo thought two people manning cockpit and lasers could be "fun".
>>340895662
It was a handheld game and wasn't a $60 release. Plus, they made some notable improvements over the original like better graphics and multiplayer.
Star Fox Zero was trying so hard to trigger nostalgia for Star Fox 64 that it lost sight of why Star Fox 64 was even good. Star Fox 64 had tight, intuitive controls, and at the time felt very ambitious. Star Fox Zero is notorious for its deliberate lack of ambition for anything to differentiate itself from 64, other than to force an intuitive control scheme down our throats.
>>340899712
Oh. I didn't mind her much.
>>340880576
One is a movie, one is a game that, as far as I can tell, shits on turbocasuals that play movies.
>>340898432
it's fine
i rather expect some Star Fox-like done by competent indie dev than Miyamoto trying to do another "experimental" title every time the new console hardware comes.
>>340900340
>other than to force an unintuitive control scheme down our throats.
Had to fix that for you
>>340881106
Uncharted 4 was better
>>340901242
No it really fucking wasn't, the game was ruined by Druckmann's raging boner for shit segments where your control is taken away after TLoU
star fox was waaay to hard it relly needs too be acksessible too peple like me if that wants too sell more
>>340885439
t. a stupid faggot
>>340885439
>>340885172
everybody, even NeoGAF, seems stoked about the new Zelda now due to this
>>340897215
>TFW no gay art of Ratchet and Fox undressing each other while kissing
>>340887585
this. i was going to buy but the shitty controls put me off
>>340896929
gay furry nigger detected
>>340900367
>heh, heh... g-git gud, casual fags, LOL!
>>340900916
That's what I meant. My autocorrect is being faggy and doesn't know words.
>>340908505
he's talking against Zero, senpai
you know how the game supposed to be cinematic and shit?
>>340904401
It's just a painting. It means nothing.
>>340908906
I find it amusing that Nintendo's defense of Star Fox Zero is that it's meant to be a "cinematic experience," and then the internet defense force is like "no no no, it's a serious, hardcore arcade game! If you don't like it, you're a normy pleb!"
And what's even more sorry is that for all the hype Miyamoto put into the story, it's pretty much exactly the same as Star Fox 64. And that's AFTER the delay. I can only imagine how much more stripped down it would have been if they hadn't missed their Christmas 2015 deadline.
>>340880576
Ratchet and Clank was a rehash so it was popular.
Starfox Zero used brand new gameplay ideas so it wasn't.
Also, R&C is a platformer shooter which is double normie and SFZ is a railshooter which is full niche.
Guys, please, stop. You're starting to make me feel bad about purchasing SFZ for no real reason. It's a fun game. I haven't played R&C, but I'm sure that's fun too.
Let's do something different and talk about the positive things of SFZ for a change.
>>340914938
One things for sure, 15 years from now it will be the must have game for wii u collectors. It uses the system's gimmick properly and because of that is pretty unique and has a fresh feeling among rail shooters too. Also since it sold like shit so it might become hard to find too.
>>340914938
I think some of the voicework and redesigns look great
Especially for Team Star Wolf
>>340914938
Bought it and have no regrets, the controls aren't even that bad. The final boss fight did seem like an abrupt spike in difficulty though
>DO YOU KIDS WANT STAR FOX
>"YEAH!!!"
>DO YOU KIDS WANT STAR FOX 64 WITH ARWINGS THAT RUN LIKE CHICKENS???
>"Y---what...?"
>HERE YA GO, FOR ONLY $60
Star Wolf's in-game models are horrendous
thought it was 643D's models when i first looked at it
>>340919574
So thats what he's wearing. Looks like a biker jacket.
Got the rest?
>>340920539
yeah
last one
>>340899712
>Majority that hate her are butthurt gay furshits that to this day still hold this autistic grudge over her confirming Fox was straight
>Phred hates her simply because it wasnt Fara Phoenix, a character much worse than any other girl introduced, she isnt even canon either as she came from a Nintendo Power comic
>Another guy who has the same reason as Phred, hates her because it wasnt Fara Phoenix. Though unlike Phred, this guy is a literal edgelord manchild who without fail WILL get triggered by any good image of Krystal and backpedal if he's called out. Ironically he has a major hardon for Fara.
>>340920683
>>340921587
>>340922210
Oh so it's a uniform then?
Interesting. Despite having no detail their outfits look snazzy.
I guess they have their own team thing now but I kinda prefer when they all had their own outfits in assault. Made them stand out from each other better.
Still though there are small details showing through.
Wolf's got the spikes, Andrew looks fancy, Pigma wearing an ugly shirt underneath is perfect for him and Leon's is tight and form fitting
>>340901960
100%agree, it also ripped off the goonies
>>340923253
>muh gays
At this point I don't even hate her. I think they could improve her if they ever felt like it.
I just hate you krystalfags.
>>340913760
>Star Fox Zero
>literally has the same story script as Star Fox 64
>not a rehash
>>340914938
Don't worry, you can sell it to some sperglord collector for $100 in 5 years.
>>340919574
>>340920683
>>340921587
>>340922210
>>340922660
So... this is the power of the Wii U.
>>340923647
>story
>relevant in an action game
>>340880576
why are nintendo such greedy bastards?
Im so glad Star Fox is getting rekt. Fuck you Nintendo for ruining another gem from Rare and sending them to commit sudoku with Microsoft. Star Fox Adventures flopped thanks to Miyamoto.
>>340917824
But how shit did it sell? The only numbers we know for sure are the Japanese sales. What about NA? Don't we have any hard numbers for this region (or even an estimate)?
>>340917824
>>340923790
That's one silver lining, I guess.
>>340923253
I remember reading about that second guy in the /trash/ thread and seeing the archived record of his activities. Shit was hilarious.
Shame about Phred though. He makes a great cartoon but he has to go and use it as a platform for his "not muh" bullshit.
Barely related, but on the topic of Nintendo allegedly dropping a carpet bombing of disappointments:
With Nintendo's performance of the last 5 years in mind, where do you see them 5 years from now?
>>340919574
>>340920683
>>340921587
>>340922210
>>340922660
Holy fuck
>>340887451
If 64 were released today, it'd get an 81.
In fact, that's exactly what happened.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/star-fox-64-3d
>>340924062
Star Fox Zero was billed as a "cinematic experience." Miyamoto hyped it up as a more in-depth version of Star Fox 64's story and it was exactly the same. If the developer is going to put that much value on the game's narrative when trying to sell it, I will judge it against other games that have done story well. Even Assault, which so many of you whine about having a "dumb Star Trek story" was better at storytelling than this game.
>>340923593
The fanbase is a mess, but trust me it's mostly from them, and it's twice as funny when you look at what's been made more recently and the kind of people they are.
>Fox, Falco, and Wolf on a recent standpoint get more messed up material than the girls do, this ranges from vore, inflation, hyper whatever, to scat
>The people that like this get immensely pissed if you say anything wrong about any of this, easily if you mention the guys being paired with their proper GFs...except Wolf because he has no GF, in other words they're spergs who're into messed up shit
>Krystal, Miyu, Fay, and Katt get a ton of regular to some messed up material, but on a more tasteful level, this is just your standard lewds, to preggo, tentacle, yuri, etc. For some reason it's rare that Lucy, Amanda, and even Fara get anythiing
>The people that like this is a slight mixed bag, but dont get easily triggeredThe post characters absence in Zero works in their favor because now they're acting all smug at Zeros failure
>>340924574
>uh muh nostalgia im going to give a good score to muh nostalgia
That's it.
>>340924375
quiting consoles and becoming a third party apple publisher.
>>340880576
>Content-less remake of a 20 year old game in a C-tier series.
Gee, I wonder what went wrong.
>>340924820
>I'm such a furry that I have knowledge of two distinct fanbases inside a furry fanbase
get a life or a girlfriend please
>>340924669
Pic related actually explains this, but of course some people will defend the lies Miyamoto and co made about it.
>Implying the Portals were important
>Implying the game's plot is new and not just a fanficcy take of Star Fox 64
>Implying the whole "is Pepper really the good guy?" thing mattered
>>340925156
this. star fox was never that great.
Starfox was always mediocre tbqh famitsu
The franchise is only notable for being nintendo and for the technology behind the first game. It doesn't have legs.
>>340924820
>Krystalfag points fingers at everyone else
Typical Behaviour from a krystalfag
>they're spergs who are into messed up shit
If they're going to sperg out about pairings then yeah they are indeed spergs. You could say the same about any sperg though.
>on a more tasteful level
>tasteful
I don't even need to post the webm do I? You are no better than the spergs you make fun of.
>>340924062
>story
>relevant in an action game
It's the same fucking game as well though. Most of the planets are the same, most of the enemies are the same, very little has actually changed outside of fucking stupid controls and terrible, absolutely awful vehicle transformations. It's Star Fox 64.5 AT BEST.
>>340925245
>opinions: the image
it even implies that SF64 was some kind of amazing achievement instead of just a pretty fun game. This is advanced autism.
>>340925923
>One old webm from years ago
>compared to the ass amounts of macro, vore, hyper, scat, inflation of the three guys, that's still being made
Ok there mate
There's a bigger market for 3rd person shooter/platformers than an on-rails arcade shooter. R&C has more depth to it's gameplay with rpg leveling elements and game mode variety. While Starfox just has a steep learning curve and a high skill ceiling.
>>340881949
>and manages to surpass it in every way, shape, and form
No.
I liked it, but no.
>>340881106
>GOTY
THIRTY FUCKING FPS. Fuck Insomniac for that shit. The entire time I was playing I was wondering what the fuck was wrong with the game. Until I realized it was that.
Also they did a shit job of making Quark tell the story.
They were both disappointing but at least SF0 tried something different with gyro controls.
>>340881106
>remake of a PS2 game with cut content
>GOTY
Dark Souls 3 is game of the year so far, this is how awful 2016 has been so far.
>>340901960
the gameplay's also subpar
>>340926351
Because it is better than Zero, you cant seriously think Zero is better than 64 or any of the other games for that matter, because at the end of the gay all it is, is just another shitty tech demo game that was directed by the same hack that ruined Paper Mario. Worse yet is he's gonna ruin F-Zero once he finds the necessary gimmick to even consider making it.
>>340926518
It still exists no matter what.
Just like with the tons of macro art commisioned and Lust Penis that Krystal vore webm is part of the fandom hall of shame.
In fact it sounds like you're exclusively looking for that other shit.
>>340927060
>once he finds the necessary gimmick
Are you a retard? Do you know how simple it would be to make a steering gyro control gimmick for F Zero? To compliment that, how fucking easy it would be to translate the game pad into a first person cockpit mode like Star Fox.
The reason F Zero isn't being made is because nobody bought the series. It, like StarFox is a niche series. F Zero on gamecube sold way fucking less than a million copies. I'm surprised they even made Star Fox with how shit every game has sold other than 64.
>>340927060
The control was better than 64
but I played 64 as an adult so I guess I don't have rose-tinted glasses
>>340880576
>What went right with R&C?
Lots of paid reviews like Sony always does
>What went wrong with SFZ?
Nintendo tax of minus 10-20 points per review because Nintendo doesn't bribe reviewers, like they always do. Also Reviewers are horrible casuals who need to be spoon fed these days.
>>340927895
>Burnout team was offered to make F-Zero on WIiU
>They rejected the offer, which wasnt known about until about a year ago, fans were infuriated by this as this would've given them something after a decade of nothing
>Miyamoto is hinting about F-Zero, but apparently hasnt found a gimmick good enough to make it
>Implying just a gyro wheel would be enough since MK8 already took that
>>340928054
That tinfoil hat is cutting the blood circulation of your head famalam
>>340928054
>Nintendo's shitty Mario rehashes get 95+ scores on Metacritic
>"Nintendo doesn't bribe reviewers!"
O i am laffin, nintoddlers are hilarious desu
>>340928745
>Implying Naughty Dog's existence isn't proof of paid reviews.
Let's not forget that Sonyggers got a negative review of Uncharted 4 taken down.
>>340927548
You're right, but the point was on a recent scale, the guys are getting a lot of messed up material than the girls do. Do I look for this exclusively? No, simply seeing if anything new in general was made of any of the characters pulls up these results, and the guys compared to the girls get more fucked up shit more frequently than they do.
>>340929019
Just like Zeldafags wanted to kill a man for a 8.8?
>>340928993
Yup, rehashes
Can't wait for Sony to run Ratchet and Clank into the ground a second time where they release a new game every 8 months.
>>340924170
>Implying DP would've been better on it's own, when many stated it wasnt anything special
>Being this retarded to not knowing Microsoft bought Rare on their own termsthey thought they'd get Donkey Kong upon buying them out
>Thinking Rare was good during the late 64 period
>Implying Adventures flopped
>>340926220
none of the levels are the same though. The planets are just a setting, the actual enemy placement is the level design.
>>340929449
Yeah, now repeat that for an entire generation of games. Two if you consider last generation.
>>340929449
Yes, I remember when they managed to get that review taken down because they created a massive media shitstorm and petitioned the hell out of people.
Oh wait...
>bwaah it's not fair Nintendo games are good, Sony is bribing reviewers
Just like they bribed journalists to give The Order and Knack for scores oh wait that didn't happen
Jesus grow up and learn to accept Nintendo is making nothing but garbage nowadays
>>340920683
>that texture seam
Holy fuck
>>340929978
That was 2006, where twitter was fucking nothing and everyone still used myspace. Social media wasn't even a buzzword then.
>>340930831
That's because those games were such irredeemable garbage, they'd be insane to give it high scores.
>>340931036
This
Watch ZeldaU get even a mediocre score and you'll see fans rioting on the streets
>>340929061
Damn near every character gets hardcore fetish art. That's just how it goes with furfags.
Fox, Wolf and Falco get more entirely because of Smash putting them into the spotlight.
This is why someone like Panther or Leon or Katt may get a fetishfag or two but not nearly as much as those three. Because they aren't known well enough by casuals. Hell in some art people refer to Wolf and Fox as "Star Fox" and "Star Wolf"
>>340919574
>>340920683
>>340921587
>>340922210
Maybe it's supposed to be a nod at how bad the 64 models were.
Right?
>>340931041
>That's because those games were such irredeemable garbage, they'd be insane to give it high scores.
And yet you're here crying because star fox got a shitty score despite being also garbage
Star Fox Zero is the third time Nintendo made a game with 64's story, meanwhile R&C is a reboot to tie in with the movie
Star Fox Zero takes gameplay people loves and shoehorns in god awful motion controls while R&C refines the original's controls with updated controls that evolved throughout the series
>>340931584
I thought it was because they're all in ships and you wouldn't even get a good look at them anyway. Why bother modelling what most people aren't even going to see? The most you see of enemies are quick faraway shots through their airwings
Wii U is dead, and it is 100% Nintendo's fault.
>>340932027
Reeeee fuck off this doesn't fit my narrative of the wii u being shit!!
>>340889350
Which is exactly what makes him cooler than the rest.
>>340934209
Do you mean Wolf or Fox?
>>340929546
>uncharted 2
>actually a picture of Uncharted 1
>killzone 3
>actually a picture of killzone 2
>>340934907
>Literally none of the series on the bottom are on the top
>>340883323
>a short on-rails space shooter with talking animals has no place in the current market
What the fuck does this even mean?
>>340936152
The genre is very niche that even aaa games know it wouldnt work as the main focus.
>>340936152
AAA and mature games are the only thing that should exist!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111
>>340881281
>Implying R&C is relevant after 12 games
>Implying it does something even remotely new
On top of that it is a reboot.
>>340894282
>>340894763
>>340897215
Does Ratchet have a rival he can sneak a few rounds of secret passionate hate-sex with?
>>340938297
Not really unless you want to see Ratchet fucking Qwark
The only Wolf style "rival" that could work was the thief from 2 who is revealed to be Angela, a lombax Ratchet hits and quits in between 2 and 3
>>340931379
>fans rioting
Nobody is as bad as modern Sony fans, so I doubt it.
>>340938598
You clearly underestimate Nintendo fanbase
>mfw they removed the best planets from the reboot and changed to music to generic orchestral shit
Still pretty good gameplay-wise but all the charm's gone.
>>340938553
Too bad, then.
>>340929546
These Sony-loving niggers will literally buy anything that pops out of that company's asshole, even if its the same shit.
>>340939343
WHAT IS YIFF?
>>340939426
Dumb frogposter
>>340929803
SFA was literally the last Star Fox game that actually sold shit
What if Star Fox was for mature audiences like every faggot sucking A Fox in Space's dick?
>>340924863
Zero is trash, son. at least 643D gave options to people that wanna enjoy it too.
Remember when Nintendo innovated? When they didn't just rehash 64? Why not use the 64 system but make entirely new battles and bosses and the like? Why Andross again? Why Star Wolf again? Star Wolf itself was a nice innovation in 64 and gave you someone to dog fight against but you don't need to cram them in every game.
>>340938598
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf3ebYRiLJE
>>340928549
Criterion was fucking up NoS to hell, why would you let them handle F-Zero?
at least Fast Racing NEO was basically a spare drink to F-Zero and Wipeout fans
>>340887585
>Venom isn't even a planet this time
Fuck you Miyamoto
PS4 owners by and large are much more casual and have much lower standards than Wii U owners
>>340939290
would've been nice for some Big Band stuff than Orchestra shit
>>340940975
>Fox High fiving Leon
>Fox fist bumping Wolf
That's way more bizarre than it should be
for a series that showcased graphics, sf0 looked horrible and the motion controls are awful
Ratchet & Clank PS4 was a good game for both veterans (through all the nostalgia fanservice and all the top tier treatment of the original) and newcomers (through all the optional handholding and exposition).
Star Fox feels like an incomplete game with no audience, meme controls (though I liked them) and shows up when the console is dying. Doesn't help that the game is less fun to play than Star Fox on Super Nintendo.
>>340941098
Andross and Star Wolf are fine, it's the fact Nintendo doesn't want to FULLY expand them like they did with Ridley from Metroid and Ganondorf from Zelda.
okay Andross does have a body, Star Wolf can transform into Lone Wolf walkers, that's not enough Miyamoto. How bout some backstory or stand alone missions on how Star Wolf came to be and James' mission to stop Andross?
>>340941965
Didn't it only showcase graphics for the original and Adventures?
64 was a nice looking game, but Command and Assault were not good looking games.
>>340941843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49o8k2Tmsfs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flnJlNkKGUI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqBSGCf4lg8
Fox in Wolf's outfit gets me.
>>340940975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49o8k2Tmsfs
If I were to get San Andreas during the Summer Sale, would I be able to use this mod, if it even still exists?
>>340942463
I don't see why it shouldn't. Model swaps don't really cause that many issues.
>>340942162
>Wolf: "Man nobody give a shit about the hood!"
I'm in for some fun aren't I?
>>340931584
nope
despite the shitty looking Star Wolf models, they did a great job on other characters like Andross
>>340941098
>>340942093
Andross isnt terrible, it's just reusing the exact same plotline is retarded.
>Andross dies in 64
>Gets revived by Captain Shears, at the same time Shears shows how fucked up Peppers army is because he was out to overthrow Pepper by using Andross, he dies again but Shears runs off somewhere
>Though really stupid, Andross revives himself, this would've been better if say Scales had a witch that used black magic to reviving him via: twinrovas means in Ages and Seasons.How they learn about him could be connected when Fox was captured. Dies again
>Doesnt show up in Assault, but could've taken over the queen upon picking up the memory of him, technically Andrew acted like him but was shortlived
>Doesnt appear in Command, but could've been revived by the fish people. Though stupid, Dash could've easily been Andross 2.0, like he's really butthurt you killed his grandpa, so Fox, Krystal, Falco, Slippy, and co kick the shit out of him. That or Dash revives him.
>>340943561
Shears gets crushed by Andross
I hope they bring Shears back though. A bad guy on the Cornerian side could make for an interest story.
>>340941590
>have much lower standards than Wii U owners
>when they have been hyping up a garbage game like TMS because they have literally nothing else to look forward to
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>340943923
Now on that whole "Andross vs Pepper" shit.
Shears could be foreshadowing this just based on how corrupt he was, one could say that despite Peppers sense of justice, his men are either with it or against it.
Not to mention that this shit was actually in Command, as stupid as it was you had that shit being explained. Though this is ironic because it was Krystal that was telling Fox that despite the conflict there was between Andross and Pepper prior to the Lylat War, she believed Andross wasnt that completely terrible, yet it was he that attacked her at the beginning.
Regardless, you had that shit there anyway. Even Metroid had it going right after Super.
>Federation is perceived as being the rightful group to keep peace in the galaxy
>Though in reality they're about as fucked up as the Space Pirates are, including Mother Brain, Fusion and that trainwreck Other M did it. They were doing some real shady shit to get around.
>>340943186
It's the same thing with if I would be able to use Doom mods if I bought it off Steam. Granted I can, but i'm not sure if it can be done with every other game. If I were to get San Andreas i'd love to be able to swap the models out with the crewI dont know much about installing mods other than the workshop ones
>>340929546
Funny how nintenshills shit on Nintendo whenever they actually introduce meaningful gameplay mechanics (Sunshine, Windwaker, Prime) but eat up all their diluted trash (Galaxy, Skyward Sword, Metroid: Other M)
It was Primefags fault Other M wasnt well recieved!! Right guise?!?!
>>340880576
god id love to dress ratchet up like a trap and cum all over his cute little face
I wonder how fluffy his ass would feel like after I fuck his asshole raw
>>340931041
Welcome to Nintendo!
>>340886031
>I wonder what it'd look like with even less time put into it
Judging by the E3 2015 footage, no smart bombs, and none of the teleporters would be present.
>>340945642
>It was Primefags fault Other M wasnt well recieved!! Right guise?!?!
only Metroidfags in /v/ think that
as a matter of fact, don't bring their autism here. can't handle another thread of some fag whining why there wasn't a 2D Metroid after Zero Mission sold like shit and blaming Prime's presence for it.and don't you damn dare lump Sunshine with WW and Prime, it was shit on it's own outside the bosses and secret levels.
>>340932027
That would make sense
Except for the fact Wolf gets a close up
>>340942094
Assault was great for its time and would be a prime target for a remake
>>340932027
even Andross, Pepper, and the entire Star Fox team got full models
I don't understand. Weren't the portraits taken from 3d models?
>>340946185
>only shills on /v/ think that
ftfy
And Sunshine was ahead of its time. Fludd might not have been for everybody but the game was beautifully designed and nonlinear.
Fite me IRL faggot. I sware on me mum.
>>340948020
Where did it all go wrong?
>>340880576
Price point and platform
R&C was on the more popular platform and cost 40 bucks
regardless how the game actually was, people expected less of it and were generally happy with what they got
Also the game is even more streamlined than the previous games, so its easy to pick up and play
Zero was expensive for a "remake" that every one and their mom with a N64 emulator that knew how short the game can be to beat depending of your path, regardless how much replay ability it holds as most players nowadays only beat their games once unless they are trophywhores
People were just not up to spend 60 bucks and in most cases, buy a wiiu for it
Nintendo should have priced it 40 or 45 bucks and have a no gyro aim mode for people who cant into it
>>340880576
>What went right with Ratchet & Clank?
Haven't played it, but that price point certainly helps.
>What went wrong with Star Fox Zero?
Making 60% of the game's minimal content uninteresting boss battle or side missions, rendering all but 3 of the game's branching paths entirely unfulfilling. I would have been very satisfied paying $70 for 15 quality levels instead of the six we got.
Nothing went wrong with Star Fox, Star Fox has always been the worst of nintendo's main franchises. It's mediocre.
>>340948337
Should have been a 3DS title.
>>340880576
R&C was a solid game in the series with appeal to both series veterans and newcomers.
SF:Z suffers from an Identity crisis. It doesn't know what kind of game it wants to be beyond 'A game like Star Fox 64'. In my opinion the biggest problem is that rail shooters simply cannot compete at $60, especially not with the amount of content SF:Z has. Either they had to take the series elsewhere or choose a lower price point. Unfortunately they chose to take a risk with an uninteresting walker mode and a gimmick minigame.
They should have stuck to the core Star Fox gameplay and went all out with the content so there was lots of replayability. That core gameplay is the main thing the series has going for it and despite some claims in this thread otherwise, I don't think a better story would have made the game much better.
Content + Quality + Value
In terms of content both are very short titles.
In terms of quality, R&C 2016 a much better game than Star Fox.
In terms of value, you're getting a better game for $40 (R&C) than you are with Star Fox Zero ($60).
It's really that simple. Had R&C been a full priced title its rating would've suffered.
>>340948174
Me Uh Moe Toe
>>340949601
That's horse shit, because it's not like the reviewers pay for copies.
>>340948337
>>340948464
I love how nobody ever mentions that Ratchet & Clank PS4 is actually a good game worth the $35 that it is now.
I believe even if you're a cuck that cant play the original you should at least see the story, so here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uOt8nXHQzY
Movie was inspired from the games , so know one thing the games are better than the movie.
>>340949783
They do tend to mention/consider it when a game is priced below the norm.
>>340949783
Not reviewers, but the user score would suffer.
And reviewers do dock games for being light on content and demanding full price. Just because they get a free review copy doesn't mean it's not a factor.
>>340880576
Star Fox is shit and always has been
Never played Ratchet
>>340926703
Compared to the original, other then nostalgic rose tinted glasses, how is the new game not better in every way?
>>340949783
There's been a number of games where the reviewers (some not official, like random people on Youtube) who drop a point or two because they felt like they were cheated out of sixty bucks because the game was 2-3 hours long at best.
A vivid example is Angry Joe going ballistic at the Godzilla game on PS4 costing $60 for an hours worth of repetitive, godawful content.
>>340880576
Star Fox Zero is my pick. 8/10 solid fun.
>>340950032
hello S&P fan
>>340950135
Honestly, story is the only place where the original would win out over the new entry without question. The focus on Drek in the original, the sidestory with Qwark was more developed, etc...
In terms of levels it's arguable, since we did lose cool places like Oltanis Orbital Base, Oltanis itself, Qwark's Umbris HQ, the logging planet, etc...
>>340950343
S&P?
