Well /v/, what do you have to say in defense?
I'm not a Cracked writer
>needing to defend your hobbies
I'm an adult and I do what I want
>>340861386
More like manchild
>entertaining yourself the creations of minds other than your own
grow up you fucking child
>cracked shitting on their main demographic
??
???
????
>>340861386
*bing bing yahoo*
>>340861123
You don't need a table like that if you fill over half of it with redundant informaiton.
Most books, music, and films are garbage fodder just like with video games. They're just more culturally entrenched, and people are willing to overlook things that are popular but have no artistic merit as a result.
Oh look it's Winston Rowntree the intellectual dishonest pseud who has a terrible case of crab mentality just like all other Cracked writers.
>>340863072
More like CRABBED, am i right?
![6-things-video-games-do-better-than-any-other-forms-of-art-credit-to-winston-rowntree_o_1717673[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KfKtTXZ.jpg "6-things-video-games-do-better-than-any-other-forms-of-art-credit-to-winston-rowntree_o_1717673[1].jpg")
>>340861123
You know, just three years ago Rowntree was all about the vidya, making comics about how much better Deus Ex Human Revolution was then Prometheus, and how much better Spec Ops The Line was than Apocalypse Now and even Heart of Darkness.
But, come to think of it, this is a man so traumatized by Weezer he doesn't even think the Blue Album or Pinkerton are good anymore. It's like the guy lives his life according to Pitchfork.
As much as I'd otherwise love to see him spiral ever downwards in his midlife crisis, I absolutely refuse to tolerate a single thought he has to convey ever since he talked shit about Bioshock Infinite. Good riddance for you going crazy and spiralling into irrelevancy you cucked fag - and I HATE using or even seeing the word "cuck" - and I hope you choke!
To think he was my favorite cartoonist and I used to defend him here and on /co/...
>>340863198
>Didn't like Django
>Didn't read the poems in the lord of the rings.
Man can argue for vidya all he want but he reveal he both has shit taste and makes zero effort. No respeck
>>340863198
>5 ways to cheat on Liara
>0 ways to stay faithful
Bullshit, I stayed faithful
Considering I still love Legos which count as brightly colored blocks I'd say I won't ever age out.
Great thing I also enjoy all those other mediums described in OPs pic. Music is perhaps my least liked one but only because I usually have very specific Idea of sounds I want to hear and finding someone that makes said sounds is time consuming.
>>340861123
By posting the same person's comic they did before that one.
>>340861123
I'd say "versatility of medium allows near-infinite possibilities for content" applies to video games moreso than any other thing on that list.
>>340868015
exactly this
>>340861123
>demean video games comparing them to "brightly colored wooden blocks"
>using brightly colored text boxes
He almost uses the exact same colors too.
>>340862447
literally the reason why i left like 5 years ago
THis shit became commonplace rather than niche.
It was like they were purposely trying to change their demographic to be more appealing to SJW
>>340868242
Pretty much.
Note how the author does not depict any particular genre with the literature, film or music, but depicts a specific childish activity for any kind of play, and a hackneyed and often criticised genre of video gaming.
It's not trying to be fair at all.
>games of words, moving images, and pleasant sounds
>this makes them worse than the other three
I'm convinced this is just well crafted b8
>>340868290
its almost like he was given a script to cartoon.
It seems so out of character for him as an individual to switch paradigms
>>340861123
How insecure do you have to be to make this image?
>>340868015
>>340868554
Not really.
There's only two types of games: branching path and spatial interaction.
Branching path is visual novels, RPG dialogue systems, teching in an RTS, "non-linearity", etc etc. It's just a glorified flowchart.
Spatial interaction is where you use your reptilian brain to make objects on your monitor interact with other objects on your monitor. Aiming in an fps, moving a unit in an rts, navigating a platformer, etc.
Literally every single game can be descriped within those two paradigms.
Video games are limited as fuck.
>>340870640
and all books are limited to linear progression. 2>1 friendo
>>340861123
that's one of the worst infographic designs i've ever seen
>>340870740
Nod really.
Books, art, movies, etc are all processed in the human brain. The medium provides the data. The human mind is the limit for those art forms.
Video games are limited by modern CPU architecture.
You can write a book about what it feels like to be in love, or make a movie or whatever.
The only thing you can do with video games is make a flowchart at the end of which you get a "You win!" screen where the anime lady shows you her privates.
>>340862675
but how else would I show off my art degree other than making a chart with brightly colored geometric shapes?
>>340862447
we want the buzuzfeed demographic
>>340862447
Let me fix that greentext for you friendo
>Cracked
>>340870640
>videogames are limited to making objects interact with other objects
uh
that's the entire universe
>>340871037
Are you trying to tell me that games cannot have the same words that a book can have or that it cannot convey the same meanings through visuals that a movie can?
>>340861123
>>340863198
What happened bros? Why does Winston hate video games now?
>>340871308
Have you ever read a book? Be honest.
>>340871370
I've read The grey Gatsby
>>340871037
this is becoming surreal
>>340861123
>This guy who jumps up and down to tout video games as art is now shitting on them and saying they're for toddlers
What the fuck
>>340871370
i can't tell what you're trying to imply but i bet it will involve cartesian dualism
>>340871442
>The grey Gatsby
How the fuck did you read an horse
>>340861123
This is the same guy who said Spec Ops: The Line is better than Heart of Darkness lmfao
>>340871037
ok what about the ms dos adventure games era? words processed in the brain. What now?
>>340871353
It can not convey them through gameplay.
Gameplay is the medium unique to video games, and it's the part least worthwhile for artistic expression. It's "entertainment", where you just distract yourself for a while doing a menial task. Every single "artistic" video game ever relied on the literary word, artwork or music to express itself, never gameplay.
All gameplay can be ultimately reduced to pong: make ball hit part of screen to make brain feel good.
You can't make a video game about anything other than winning: the fundamental nature of games is that you play them so that you win. You can't design gameplay around feeling lonely, guilty, in love, etc. Only about winning.
>>340871592
Someone add the bible with the lesson being "bad things are bad"
Pffthahahaha, what?
Medium: Webcomic
Features: Images and words
Main appeal: Something to read when you're taking a fat shit
Target Audience: Unfunny 14 year old Facebook user who shares unfunny shit to everyone while saying "HAHA SO TRUE LOL"
Cause of aging out: Mentally unstimulating; narratively lacking; Repetitive; Associated with Juvenilia
>>340871037
>read a book by some faggot about what it's like to be in love or some other gay shit
or
>savour the feeling of victory and anime pussy
You're not really making much of a case for literature.
>>340861123
here's my defense:
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>>340871739
I don't think you have the slightest idea of what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about gameplay, the part that makes video games a separate medium.
The gameplay in adventure games, and all non-action games, as well as all the non-action gameplay elements in all games is just a flowchart.
There's a set of choices that branch out and eventually lead you to win or lose states.
And all action gameplay involves you reacting to how objects move in 2D space. That about it, all games revolve around those two gameplay patterns.
>>340871926
Fuck off you degenerate, this discussion is beyond the scope of your intelligence.
>>340871845
>the plot is the female person is forced to wear ugly clothes and that is unacceptable. The female person is paralysed by these ugly clothes
Are you sure it isnt about sexism?
>>340861123
>Spending this much effort to say "video games are dumb, books and kino is smart"
>>340861123
I notice webcomics are not on his list. I wonder what he considers those to be?
>>340863198
>writes for cracked
WEW LAD
>>340871741
>Every single "artistic" video game ever relied on the literary word, artwork or music to express itself, never gameplay.
So you're telling me that every artistic video game relied on characteristics of a video game? This just in, paintings rely on paint!
>You can't make a video game about anything other than winning: the fundamental nature of games is that you play them so that you win
That's like saying you can't make a book for anything except being read or a movie for anything except being watched.
Games can do the exact same thing that books do, just with additional visuals and interactivity added (if desired). Games can do the exact same thing movies do, just without real life actors and with interactivity added (if desired). One might even argue that video games can go beyond movies as they aren't as limited. If you want someone to die you can have them actually die. No need to rely on "special effects" as anything in the game would be completely plausible.
>>340861123
https://discord.gg/012UrDuZq91P8vWzx
video games never gave me a panic attack like The Sacrifice or never really gave me an ego burst like watching end of evangelion on coke did but they sure are fun
but we all know the reason people demonize video games is they're considered childish and "real" men dont do things they enjoy, infact they forsake them and do the things that society says makes them men
amusing
>music
>features: pleasing sounds
fucking plebs, I swear of God
>>340872095
Prove it.
Once you guys hit 23, it all goes downhill from there.
You start to notice that games aren't made for you anymore and the target audience is the younger generation (Y). By playing their games, it's like saying you want to be a kid again or have a fear of growing up.
It's escapism guys, you know it's not healthy.
>>340861123
>went from defending vidya as a form of art higher than film to shitting on it and calling it toys for babies
This guy is so fucking butthurt god damn.
>>340872269
You're a fucking moron. There's nothing else to say here, honestly.
>>340872386
>Once you guys hit 23
more like 16
>>340872386
I'm 26 and it's BS.
It's a hobby, like reading a fucking book.
>>340872386
100% right. By the time you're 23 you should have at least graduated towatching animeif you want to call yourself an adult.
I thought that guy always bangs on how games are the best form of art and everything else is restrictive shit made by evil hollywood or so old that it's not worth seeing. What changed his mind?
>>340872437
You're the biggest one, honestly.
>You can't make a game about anything other than winning
>>340861123
video games are what they are, an escape from reality
listen to enough music watch enough film read enough literature, see it for what it is and you will learn to despise reality, video games are an escape, when you immerse yourself in a game you can pretend all the shit around you isnt there and its really the best option
>>340872469
reading books improves your vocabulary and intelligence
name one benefit of playing video games
>>340872437
Wow great argument fagtron you sure convinced me with those hot opinions
>>340872386
>>340872456
gee how insecure do you have to be?
>>340863198
Where in the fucking world are movie tickets $16.00?
>>340861123
>Well /v/, what do you have to say in defense?
>implying a troll deserves any response at all
>>340872469
It's like reading genre fiction or watching action flicks or listening to pop music.
Shallow entertainment for the culturally stunted.
>>340872581
You have literally never experienced art in your entire life, there's no point in talking to you about it.
>>340865921
The poems in the translated versions are unberable mate.
>>340872437
Try harder next time, champ.
>>340872386
>>340872765
unbearable*
>>340871741
Even if the eventual goal of a game is to win, it doesn't mean you can't feel different emotions just as much as another medium along the way. If a game relies on literary devices in order to do this, that doesn't mean you get to isolate those components and say they don't count as part of the game. It is an experience you can't have with a book, a simulated involvement in a story - in short - a potentially more meaningful experience than being a passive observer.
>>340872657
Hey look I have read like 100 books last year. I'm still horrible in my motherlanguage.
>>340872762
go back to /lit/
>>340872386
reality is a disaster, escapism is the best option and most happy way to live
>>340872846
Can we get tgis without Minecraft and that little line at the bottom?
>>340872657
>I read books to be intelligent!
You're stupid.
You don't do hobbies because it's useful, but because you like it. Not everything needs to be useful.
>>340872762
>Shallow entertainment for the culturally stunted.
So like reading.
Fucking people can't understand the subtle nuances of a play, these plebs shoudl kill themselves.
Fuck readfags.
>>340872762
>You have literally never experienced art in your entire life, there's no point in talking to you about it.
Yeah man, I'm just doing theatre since I was 8, I have like NO exposition on anything artistic!
You're so fucking dumb it hurts. And all the "artists" shit on you and play vidya all they want, you can be sure of that.
>>340872904
If a game relies on writing to convey its message, there's no point for it to be a video game.
Games are a redundant medium when it comes to artistic expression, any creative work is better off NOT being a video game.
And no, there's no simulated involvement in a story in video games. Gameplay is incapable of acknowledging the story in any way, they are completely separate systems. You can branch the narrative like in a CYOA book, but you can't make the gameplay interact with the story, simply because computers aren't capable of interpreting literature.
>>340872973
no you nerdget /fit/become the gameselect all the food
>>340873157
>theatre
haha faggot.
And no, no artist I know of wastes his time with video games. They all work hard in perfecting their craft and don't have time for shallow entertainment.
>>340873203
>exact same argument used against film and and photography
>We have theater, film are useless!
>We have paintings, photography is useless!
>>340873017
>Not everything needs to be useful.
the jews have corrupted your mind
>>340873312
>I don't like theatre
>I understand art
No, you don't.
>>340873312
>>340873348
Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time faggot
>>340872904
Don't bother replying to him, he's already outed himself as a mong that resorts to ad hominem when he gets btfo.
>>340873334
Except that theater and film are different mediums for the same art form.
Same with photography and painting.
Video games are the odd one out. They're about interacting with a computer, fundamentally. And they can only be as deep as computer technology is.
>>340861123
Most toys for young children are designed to aid in their mental development, particularly problem solving, hand-eye coordination, and spatial skills. Of course, the author of this article wouldn't know this because he's too busy sucking his own dick to care about how different media affects other people besides himself.
>>340873312
well quick, name 5 artist and what they do in their free time.
I know several small artists who love to play video games.
Most video game fanart is done by gamers.
So 5 artist and what they do in their free time.
>this entire thread
Top fucking kek
>hurr durr i read books im smart
literally the worst meme ever.
>People who legit think music is on the level of film and literature
Literally the most base medium of expression, can do nothing but stimulate emotion and cannot convey any complex ideas or really do anything
>>340872657
... it's like someone has heard these bullshit arguments all before and is still laughing at them.
>>340871741
>Gameplay is the medium unique to video games
lol
>and it's the part least worthwhile for artistic expression
lol
>>340872005
I don't think you have the slightest idea what you're talking about either, every action in someone's life can be limited to a flow diagram, that in no way limits the possibilities in that life barring opportunity costs.
>>340872735
NYC
And those are regular tickets, they're like 18 if it's 3D/some other gimmick
>>340863198
>Thetre can't attract an audience
And there goes any semblance of care I had.
>>340861123
^See Above
>>340873631
>game fanart is art
Retard. You actually think commercial illustration is art.
You are too much of a manchild to partake in this discussion.
I bet you've never seen a a painting IRL.
>>340863198
So is that Rowntree fellow bipolar?
>>340872386
hey dude, why are you even on 4chan or on /v/ if you don't play vidya. I mean this isn't reddit, so why act like it is and be a huge fag
>>340873674
Spoken like a true dum dum.
>>340873805
Tabletop games aren't art.
Posting one of the last good Cracked videos I remember.
http://www.cracked.com/video_18116_the-one-prize-at-arcade-worth-winning.html
>>340873536
>And they can only be as deep as computer technology is.
you should stop for an hour to consider what turing completion really implies
>>340872386
Better than cable TV and all the other bullshit.
>>340873831
>He doesn't know a lot of famous paintings were paid works with specific requests
pleb
>>340873536
Anyone who actually believes that level of drivel is too stupid and shallow to ever be able to appreciate the depth of true art... or debate (which you are failing).
>>340873954
"$VAR isn't art"
- anonymous
What happened to Cracked? How did it go from being comedy to just a joke?
>>340873831
5 artist and what they do in their free time. Dead artist are not allowed.
>>340872657
Reflexes and problem solving skills.
It is funny to me how a new medium has quickly become competitive with other art forms that have existed for hundreds or thousands of years, so people are naturally going to be butthurt
Daily reminder that words are unique to books and no other medium is allowed to use them.
>>340873831
You're like the most annoying kind of pleb from /ic/
I don't see why game fanart isn't art, sure it's no rodin or cezanne, but trying to narrow down what is "real" art is a lost cause, because for every rule you make, there will be numerous exceptions.
>>340874128
All pre-impressionist art is shit. It's the olden day equivalent of fanart.
>>340874130
You're the one who thinks video games are art.
>>340874180
>What happened to Cracked?
They are a "news" site. They attempt to reel people in with interesting stuff.
They die if they don't have enough viewers. So, they try to appeal to the largest demographics.
Which, at the moment, is Tumblr shit, they've known it for a while and slowly edged towards that, but most of said demographic doesn't care because Cracked is "that one site."
>>340874231
>It is funny to me how a new medium has quickly become competitive with other art forms that have existed for hundreds or thousands of years
you mean film?
>>340874060
best argument in this thread so far, I've gained a new perspective now
>>340873791
>accounting
>networking
>db
>public speaking
literally kekd & saved
>>340871363
LITERALLY Gamergate.
>>340874128
So was most classical music.
All the "great" artists were fucking sellouts (except Beethoven)
>>340873831
>the bookfag fell for the art meme
how surprising.
Playing video games is pretty sad to begin with, but comparing it to literature is just stupid.
Grow up
>>340872657
No, it doesn't. It only improves your vocabulary and intelligence if you go out of your way to find challenging material and bother to look stuff up afterwards, just like any other mediums work, and newsflash, almost nobody does that, no matter what medium you use
>>340872657
So every hobby needs to be productive? That's ridiculous.
>>340873203
If a piece of music relies on lyrics to convey its message, there's no point for it to be music. Might as well be a poem.
>>340874327
>"you're"
>on an Anonymous image board
Oh, Anon... you know not to go full retard, but you did it anyway.
>>340874369
Not him, first film was around 1895.
That's 121 years ago, which since it's over 100, qualifies as hundreds of years ago.
Video games have just the same versatility as music or literature
I think some games like Ace Attorney and 999 tell better stories than a lot of books.
>artFAGS
>>340874516
Correct, only instrumental music is true art.
Music that relies on lyricism is pop-garbage.
>>340874524
Said the guy who thinks video games are art.
>>340872386
what will occupy my time now?time alone with my thoughts?
we're all gonna die someday
>this is better
>no, this is better!
>fuck you
>FUCK YOU
jesus christ people just do your thing, why do you need the validation of others?
>>340874660
>consumeristFAGS
>>340874623
exactly, I enjoyed stein's;gate VN more than any book or film, which isn't to say it's the greater art, but it is certainly competitive in what it can arouse in the audience. It just felt more like I was personally involved because of the presentation of the medium.
>>340874708
define art.
>>340874875
Not video games.
>>340874708
You seem to be very invested into defining what is and what is not art.
That is not a fruitful endeavor.
>>340874708
>>340874875
yeah
>>340874828
VNs done right could be potentially better than books
>>340874828
>enjoyed stein's;gate VN more than any book or film
Good fucking god, this board
>>340875015
>I enjoyed the story in something with a story more than something with a story or something with a story
>It says here you spend a lot of time playing video games, anon
>You mind explaining how that improves your chances of being hired?
Gameplay isn't art. It's a means of interacting with the art contained within the medium.
Saying gameplay is art is like saying that turning the page of a book is art.
You beat the boss so you can see the cutscene. You turn the page so you can read the next page.
>>340862447
>>340868489
Pretty much why I and a bunch of others stopped going too.
>>340872657
Well I just finished 999 three days ago and I learned quite a lot of new shit thanks to that game.
>>340874369
Well, film was the youngest medium before videogames, so it's not absurd to think it went through this same shit in its early days
>>340866741
I was so faithful I stopped dating even her
... The first time happened on accident. I was trying not to hurt her feelings and then bam, sex scene
>>340875138
You're right, bossman. I should've watched Whiplash for the ninth time instead.
>>340875146
Who here has been arguing that gameplay is art?
>>340875148
>8 Racist Halloween Costumes People Apparently Still Wear
That can't be real. They posted shit exactly like that as "sexy" costumes, and that one specifically, years ago.
HOW THE FUCK DID THEY FALL THIS FAR.
>>340875148
>Why 'Back to the Future' is secretly horrifyingShit like this was the inspiration for Game Theory.
>>340875330
Gameplay not being art implies games not being art.
Literature is art, but books aren't art. Since a book can be a shower head instruction manual.
Video games can't be "literature". They can only be books.
>>340875536
So what you're telling me is that words in a book can be art but words in a video game cannot be art? A situation in which the only difference is your bias.
I'm still waiting for that dude listing 5 artists and what they do in their free time
>>340875536
what is the difference between a novel and literature?
Any arguing about which things are art and which are not is about as important as sniffing farts. It's just intellectual masturbation.
>>340874396
>MUH GUMARGUT BOOGEYMAN
UNIRONICALLY KILL YOURSELF AND FUCK BACK TO TUMBLR
>>340874558
>hundreds
Don't know where you learned english, but the "s" usually denotes plural, meaning more than one of.
If you're gonna be a smarmy fuck at least get it right.
>>340875802
I'm pro gamergate.
He's anti-gamergate.
Gamergate is what made him hate video games.
Fucking moron.
>>340875707
i still wait for someone to define art.
i swear to god its the biggest meme since the dawn of humanity.
>>340861123
>from the same artist who praises Beyond the Line but shits on Apocalypse Now and Heart of Darkness.
I get this is bait but still, this guy is 100% shit opinions all the time.
>mfw people compare anything to literature
>>340861123
>cracked being fucking wrong as usual
I'm32now, I've loved video games all my life and I don't plan to stop playing anytime soon.
>>340875692
Words in a video game can be art.
Video games can't however.
It's just nonsense, it's like saying a monitor is art because you can read literature on it.
>>340875919
>tfw Urk told me fire was just a meme
>>340875330
>>340875536
Me. I'm arguing that gameplay is art.
Since gameplay is always limited by the scope of the program, the "possibility space" created by the developers always carries some message.
Sometimes, that message is just that shooting monsters is fun. But that doesn't mean more interesting things can't - and haven't - been said using it.
>>340876290
There literally hasn't been a gameplay pattern in video games that wasn't about stimulating your reptilian brain with menial tasks.
Name a single video game that conveyed anything other than "victory in competition" in purely gameplay terms.
>>340861123
Winston Rowntree is a pretentious contrarian, and his opinions on how I spend my time aren't worth acknowledging. It's easier just to assume that he doesn't approve of whatever I'm doing because he unfailingly thinks he's smarter and a better human being than me. Strange that, for a guy who writes and/or makes art for a comedy website, 99% of his work is just him smugly chastising his audience.
>>340876479
Nier
>>340874660
>I spent lots of time on it and therefore it is good
The anon who made a the dragon is just as fuck of a faggot.
>>340875919
It doesn't exist.
Art is a function of perception, which is itself a function of individuality.
As long as we can think and have conceptions of ideas different from those of others, there will never be an all-purpose definition for "art".
>>340861123
>film on the same level as literature
toplel
>>340875536
instruction manuals also come under the term "literature" you fucking dunce.
>>340876583
https://youtu.be/9MZ8UU_9dG8?t=1m1s
Wow, this really does look like it has nothing to do with competition or victory, and it's not a menial task meant to be performed over and over for a shallow dopamine high...
not
>>340876479
How about "Papers, Please?"
That's the title usually thrown about in these debates. It uses the gameplay systems to transmit the brunt of its message about life in a totalitarian state. Most of the gameplay can't be considered "fun" or "enjoyable", so what else could it be for?
>>340876814
Give me your favorite book and I'll read a summary of it on sparknotes and tell you why it's shit.
>>340871592
He's a contrarian faggot. Spec Ops came out before vidya was all the way mainstream and it was chic for writers to make fun of games and gamers.
>>340876954
>Is the Discovery Channel unhealthy?
Remarkably so.
>>340872735
There like $22 here
>>340876863
I liked papers please, but it doesn't really use gameplay to convey its message, mostly visuals and dialogue.
The gameplay itself is just a shallow menial task, and THAT'S THE POINT. The point of the whole game is that performing your menial task job greatly affects the lives of others. The simple act of pressing down on a stamp for you, is a life changer for somebody else.
It's a game that uses the limitation of gameplay to its advantage, but it's also the only thing you can really do with gameplay: metacommentary on gameplay being shallow. All "artistic" games dance around that theme: they lampshade the shallowness of gameplay. Spec ops comes to mind.
>>340876927
Summary?
I literally linked you footage of the gameplay.
>>340861123
film is far less versatile than literature
music is even less versatile
videogames are far more versatile than music and maybe even more than film
I know it's bait but come on
>>340872095
you browse /pol/ /lit/ reddit and like disdain for plebs on facebook don't you?
>>340877431
>videogames are far more versatile than music and maybe even more than film
HURRRR
Actually, I'd sort of agree with film.
Film is visual storytelling, and video games can do that rather well.
>>340870640
Don't both these constraints provide limitless possibility?
>>340877393
I provided what you asked for and all you're doing is the equivalent of judging a book by its cover.
>>340872657
http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/surgeons-play-video-games-to-prepare-for-surgery/
But sure, knowing more words is more important than surgeons improving themselves. You majored in English, huh?
>>340872735
in england they're like 10 quid so it is here too
>>340876479
Literature isn't art, you're just reading words.
Paintings aren't art, you're just looking at colors.
>>340875919
Art is a concept made up by hippies who do nothing productive with their lives. Thus, in an attempt to protect their fragile egos from the truth that they're a burden to everyone around them, they attempt to give their meaningless drivel a semblance of significance by labeling it as art.
>>340877393
There is absolutely no reason why the same thing could not be done with a more complex gameplay system. "Papers, Please" is so limited largely because its a one-person effort.
Gameplay can be used to simulate the circumstances and possible choices of a character, and put the player in their shoes. Make the player see the world from their perspective - the game world, which the developers also define. If you don't see the potential here, I don't know what to say.
>how not to draw charts: the chart
Dumb nigger needs to study pic related a little closer. It's the best chart ever made.
>>340861386
This. Why the fuck would the cracked writer give a fuck what his readers do in their spare time.
>>340877393
what about rez? The gameplay seamlessly ties in with the music and visuals to create an experience akin to playing a jackson pollock painting. Sure you could argue the merits of abstract expressionism as an art form, but it is undeniably an art form.
>>340877769
Nod really.
What kind of artistic expression can you expect from a flow chart? There's a reason CYOA books are juvenile schlock.
And physical interactions in 2D space? All action games can be reduced to pong. Again, what sort of artistic expression is controlling objects in 2D space is capable?
Gameplay is abstract and mechanical in a not-good way. It's like you're toying with fundamental mathematical concepts, they're far removed from the realm of individual expression. You can no more make artistic gameplay than you can make an artistic equation.
>>340877915
Anon, you're retarded, stay out of this.
>>340877393
>Horror games use camera angles and clunky controls to convey a real sense of panic
>Spec Ops uses it's gameplay to show how brutal your character is becoming over the course of the game
You're b8ing. You have to be. No one is this stupid.
>>340861123
Nothing. I don't feel the need to respond to facebook strawmen memes.
>>340878253
Prove me wrong.
Games aren't art because gameplay isn't art, you're just doing menial tasks.
Literature isn't art, you're just reading words.
Paintings aren't art, you're just looking at colors.
>>340865921
Django was not that fucking good. I don't know why everyone loves that movie when it was just a really average action movie.
>>340862748
Ironic how a lot of people who look down on video games in this sort of manner are often the kind who listen primarily to classic rock, which 99.5% of the time is functionally junk food.
Aren't comics supposed to be a visual medium?
>>340878423
Music isn't art, it's just things vibrating at different frequencies.
>>340878359
>Horror games use camera angles and clunky controls to convey a real sense of panic
Not really.
Horror games use scary imagery and sound to convey a sense of panic. If silent hill was a game about beating up pinatas, gameplay unchanged, it wouldn't be scary.
>>Spec Ops uses it's gameplay to show how brutal your character is becoming over the course of the game
Not really. It uses story to do that. It also uses the story to comment on the fact that due to the limitations of gameplay, your character didn't really have a choice.
>>340878570
Actually, music isn't art, it's just listening to noises.
>>340878463
>projecting this hard
Retarded weeaboo faggot.
>>340873816
>>340877262
>>340877860
Shiiiiiet. I usually pay $4.00 for regular seating, $10.00 for wannabe IMAX, and $12.00 max for 3D wannabe IMAX. Texas here.
I think I'd pay $16-17 for actual IMAX at the Silverado 19 in Tomball.
This is all excluding concessions.
>>340861123
really makes you think..
>>340878423
What the fuck? How can you say that? Art is a form of expression for the artist, not for the viewer. The viewer interprets the art (words on a page, colors on a canvas) and the painter expresses whatever he wants to express through those things.
So no, the act of viewing art isn't art itself. But the person who colored that painting, or wrote those words, created art.
>>340861123
>I grew out of caring about music and films as anything more than background noise but only started to get into games more seriously in my 20s
I don't give a fuck. That cover is funny as hell and accurate about many games
>>340864142
>I absolutely refuse to tolerate a single thought he has to convey ever since he talked shit about Bioshock Infinite.
But B:I wasn't a good game, senpai.
>>340878621
You literally have no idea what you're talking about. The creators of Resident Evil have outright said that the controls contribute the feeling of panic, and anyone that's played it knows that's true. You don't play games. You don't know what you're talking about. You're b8ing.
>>340878115
>Gameplay can be used to simulate the circumstances and possible choices of a character
Which wouldn't be art in itself, just a different medium for the art, which is the story.
As I said, it would be like claiming that the act of turning a page is art.
>>340874258
Threadly reminder that if the artistic merit of your game relies on the words in it, not the gameplay, you should have written a fucking book.
>>340872328
>2015+1
>Listening to music with sounds
>>340878423
>>340861123
>Shitting on colored wooden blocks
What a faggot
>>340873923
He's got a point. I used to read about a book per week, I loved to read. Then 4chan and having a job shortened my attention span to insect levels and I can't get into a good book. Hence, I'm not the brightest bulb.
Many idiots read.
>>340878463
What did someone call your taste in music shit anon?
>>340878716
>implying everyone who uses anime faces is a weeaboo
I don't even watch anime, desu.
>>340878814
i am expressing myself through my posts on /v/ is shitposting an art?
>>340878814
And yet video games, a medium which utilizes words, visuals, and music, cannot be used for expression?
>>340875138
I'm pretty sure saying you read books or paint pictures would have the same affect of saying you play vidya
>>340878621
And Schindler's List wouldn't be quite so dramatic if the soundtrack consisted entirely of wet farts.
I see that you're arguing that since the whole message of the game cannot be carried by the gameplay alone, gameplay is irrelevant. This sort of all-or-nothing argument seems inane to me. In a good game, film, music, anything, all parts support the whole.
>>340878838
Go to bed, Cracked.
>>340878621
>If silent hill was a game about beating up pinatas
Then it would compromise the artists intended vision, this kind of thing has been said a billion times, but gameplay does not exist in a vacuum, it interacts with the environment and story to create an emotional impact on the player.
>>340878895
You're fucking retarded.
Poor controls might enhance the feeling of panic, but the feeling of panic itself comes from the visuals, which is the art.
The poor controls aren't the source of your emotional investment. If the scary visuals weren't present, the poor controls themselves would not convey any sense of panic.
Because camera controls is not a medium of artistic expression.
>>340878253
But art is just a form of expression. All it needs to do convey a message, whether it be an emotional message, or imaginative me. Whether or not something is linear doesn't really matter.
For example, there's only 1 way to view a painting, but countless ways to interpret it, thats part of what makes it art (in my opinion, I suppose that could be debated.)
Certainly the same could be done with videos (whether it has or not is another story) where a single thing happens in a video game, mechanically or otherwise, but it can be interpreted in different ways.
>>340863072
What's weird is half of his stuff is heavy handed tripe but the other half is pretty damn good. A lot of Subnormality is very grounded, optimistic, and poignant as well as being well drawn- I love how his background extras are all unique.
But somehow he picks up that busted up pen and shits out these shallow and uninformed infographics two minutes later. What the fuck
>>340879034
technically yes
Its very very bad art but its art
>>340878968
How is that proving me wrong exactly? All you've done is shown be a definition which is applicable to video games.
>>340879036
I didn't say that? I agree with you, and think they can be
So glad I grew out of children's games like Deus Ex and am now a high culture consumer of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the writing of John Green.
>all these /lit/ fags trying to defend their hobby
you pseudo-intellectuals are the biggest of keks
>>340873816
Depends on where you go. In Staten Island the tickets are 10 bucks, but in the nitehawk in brooklyn it's like 18
>>340874762
Oh, no fucking way. No fucking way is a corporation every going to make me do a dance in my fucking living room for them in order to end an advertisement. That'll be the fucking day. Is this a real patent?
That's almost as bad as
>drink verification can to continue
>>340879263
this, nothing more laughable than a 30 something neckbeardo pretending his fantasy books are above video games while he wanks it off to lotr or some other useless book
and the best part is THEY THINK THEY ARE INTELLECTUALS
>>340879116
Oh, but they are. You might as well be saying that the framing of a shot and camera techniques in film aren't artistic expression, which is just inane.
>>340878429
Because an average action movie is better than the no blood, no consequence, overdone cgi shit we've been putting up with for last several years. There's a reason the raid did so well for a modern gook action movie. Django, dredd, the raid, mad max fury road and hardcore Henry have been the only Acton movies in recent years I have enjoyed and can watch more than once.
>>340879116
Gameplay is to art as a frame is to a painting. A bad frame can make a good painting look out of place, swamped, too big, or any number of things. But a bad frame - or a good frame - has nothing to do with the quality of the painting itself.
Gameplay is the medium by which the art is conveyed to the world, much like a frame is the medium by which the art is conveyed to my fucking wall. Convey it well and the art shines - convey it poorly and it falls down. But the gameplay is not the art.
>>340879247
Ah, okay. I was being a smartass with the first post you replied to in order to make the point that oversimplifying things can make anything seem stupid. If video games are just menial tasks then music is just a bunch of noises.
>>340879116
And Saw wouldn't be scary if the whole movie was muted. Things come together to make something greater than the sum of their parts. Games are a mixture of writing, gameplay, visuals, and music, and all work together to create artistic expression. Holy fuck, a urinal on a podium is called art, there's no way you can say no video game can be.
>>340879073
No, I'm saying that gameplay isn't art, not that it can't contribute to the emotional impact of the piece.
Creative page and paneling layout in a graphic novel can enhance the reading experience, but again, turning a page isn't art. It's a medium. A vehicle for the art.
Video games are no more art than a stack of papers, a VHS tape or a framed canvas is.
>>340879008
>implying I said classic rock is bad
You're talking to somebody who loves the shit out of junk. But at least I admit it.
