What makes these games good?
>>340858947
Lolis
>>340858947
It's a really well done dungeon crawler.
That and waifus. EOV when
>>340858947
Strangely enough, its rehash series done right, and its fucking amazing.
Thrown in some new classes, maybe some old ones as well.
Put it in a different setting but have tie-ins to the older titles for continuity.
Expand on the systems a little bit to keep it fresh.
And of course, make a bitching soundtrack to go with it.
Easily in my top 5 vidya series
It's an okay dungeon crawler but its fanbase acts like its the only good dungeon crawler to exist and refuses to acknowledge other good drpgs
Maps are fun to draw
>>340859345
EO V comes out in Japan in August, so earliest would be next year in spring.
>>340858947
The allure of drawing your own map is appealing at first, boring in execution. Maybe if it wasn't all square tiles.
I wish they would expand on the maps. add more forms of motion/direction/whatever
its more like
>I don't own a vita or psp so I can't play the other good dungeon games.
I like EO a lot but its average at best.
image related is a real fucking dungeon crawler with a really fucking good soundtrack.
>>340859507
Name any modern dungeon crawlers worth their salt
>>340859507
Wanna recommend some others aside from Wizardry?
woops forgot to choose the english image
>>340859647
Filename shoulda been dankestspire.jpg desu.
played one EO game
died in less than 5 fights because everyone was weak as shit despite being a recommended party
no healing or anything and first enemies just rape you in the ass before you can even level
terrible dungeon crawler game, I've played far better ones
when do you think the FOE design will come full circle and there will be a superboss that's a literal FOE ball again?
>>340859539
More like summer
>>340858947
Bosses, FOE's and classes are great, don't like anything else about it though
>>340859656
>>340859659
Dungeon Travelers 2
Strange Journey
>>340859023
First answer was the correct one.
The series is shit, and isn't popular for any reason besides the pedophile content. The music is generic RPG maker shit, the combat is garbage, it's just a bad game in general. If you were only given the option to make a party of old men no one would have given the series a chance.
I think I must be the only one who hated strange journey. I got to the third floor or some shit and just got sick of grinding. Maybe I should go back and give it another shot, but I just remember it being awfully grindy from the get go with no option of choosing better shit/classes to mitigate it.
>>340859861
>Dungeon Travelers 2
Yes, this is clearly better than all the other EO killers Vitagen loves to shill
>>340858947
Lolis.
The dungeon crawling is mediocre, graphics are shit, it rehashes classes and skills out the ass, same story over and over again, autistic mapping (can't believe they haven't made this automatic already), decent at best combat system, awful 3D...
I could go on.
>>340859861
>DT2
>better than EO
nigga what?
>>340859993
So you haven't played it.
Typical EO baby.
>>340858947
Autism.
Autism makes them good.
>>340859861
Dungeon Travelers 2 gets praised a lot but I felt it wasn't that great honestly. It was a lot better than Demon Gaze and Operation Abyss sure but still wasn't good. SJ was great though
>>340859861
Stranger of Sword City is also really nice
I saw a trailer for a Vita game, it kinda looked nice with a a bit of horror mixed in there as well, but I forgot its name
>>340860078
It has far better maps than anything EO does.
EO has better class selections and party building.
>>340859539
Just watch, it's going to come out before Persona 5
>>340860051
I bet you think that Sorcery Saga is the best mystery dungeon don't you
Etrian Odyssey is a poor man's 7th Dragon 2020.
seriously though the dark spire is better than every eo game.
Fucking two graphic sets and audio sets : dank/10. Non linear exploration choices. Sick OST.
Only real problem is the game flat out required you opt into magic for the later stages/post game. Fucking massive swarms of enemies.
Also game follows the classic rule of being way too fucking hard at the start for babbies as well as having some serious luck bullshit early on that can ruin casuals(low hp rolls).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIXedqHyWNY&index=9&list=PLD1229B92C0B05387
Basically man up and put it on your 3ds cart.
>>340860195
Haven't played it.
Haven't really played many mystery dungeon games, actually the only ones i've played are Pokemon ones. Super was pretty good.
>>340860202
7th Dragon was fucking ass.
Sell me on 2020 and that new one coming out soon
>>340860260
The new one sucks.
>>340858947
Music, loli's and map drawing
>>340859450
They don't rehash labyrinths, which is what the game is about.
>>340860241
It's actually not terrible. If you can pick it up for cheap go for it. It's got some nice humor that makes up for the piss easy gameplay.
>>340858947
Its fanbase doesn't understand proper dungeon crawlers like Ultima Underworld or Legend of Grimrock. They prefer dumber and easier games with lolis.
>>340860260
7th is worse than EO.
7th 2020 is the one you should be looking to get into. Better dungeons, characterization, plot, party building, pacing...
Is just a lot better.
Im at the final secret dungeon boss at eo4 and I cant really beat him. I went through the game without any crowd control other than poison circle so I cant deal with the tentacles fast enough. Is it possible to do this or do I need to finally change my team for this boss?
>>340860474
Either reincarnate until you win or swap class comp.
>>340859450
Pretty much this. EO is my madden. The core is so rock solid that all you need to do is change up the classes and add some QoL stuff and I'm game for another year.
>>340860465
Is 2020 the one that's already leaked for pirate fags and is coming out in july?
>>340859861
Strange Journey was great, but the combat of EO is much more fleshed out. Also, I love drawing maps and marking them myself. Teleporters in SJ were fucking hell because I couldn't make markers.
I'm doing the postgame of EO3 and I'm getting pretty frustrated. I remember that in EO1 you basically needed a very specific party to take on the extra bosses, is that the same case here? I managed to kill the fire dragon but the Kraken, Anemone and that other plant girl thing are basically one shotting me.
>>340860724
That's 2020-III.
2020 is the one that got an english patch a few months back.
>>340859647
Got any more recommendations?
>>340858947
Cartography, really nice difficulty curve.
>>340860890
Grimrock was great.
>>340859981
You're meant to fuse and recruit demons anon.
From the games I've played in no particular order
>Good
EO series (3 > 4 > U2 > U1)
Dungeon Travelers 2
Strange Journey
Dark Spire
Legend of Grimrock 1
SMTIV (if it counts)
>Bad
Demon Gaze
Operation Abyss
Unchained Blades
>What the fuck were you thinking
Class of Heroes 2
7th Dragon
What next famalamalams?
>>340861052
Grimrocks combat makes it autistic as fuck. That said I enjoyed 2 a lot more than the original.
>>340861185
Stranger of sword city?Sakura dungeon
>>340860890
may be outdated~
>>340861185
Why was Demon Gaze bad?
I would be more into EO if building your characters wasn't a fuck. Skills that are only worth it in their first level and anything else are wasted points, respecs requiring grind to get back up to spec, among other things. Pretty much forces me to look up guides, which I don't want to.
>>340861185
Eo 1 and 2 are better than the untold editions.
Stupid balance changes desu senpai. Only advantage is sidestepping making shit faster.
>>340858947
Top tier gameplay, music, art and waifus.
>>340861346
>played king's field 4
>get really fucking hyped about demon's souls release
Holy shit man, it was like perfect timing that this series I just played got revived out of fucking nowhere.
>>340861432
I could autobattle through the first 1/3 of the game on the hardest difficulty which was Hot or something like that. Got boring as fuck super fast.
>>340861516
muh immunize
>>340861516
>Stupid balance changes desu senpai.
Yes, having immunize as the win button is a much more well balanced game
>>340861516
EO2 had sidestepping if I recall correctly. And they're both clearly worse than their remakes despite grimoires being stupid as fuck
I got EO4 recently and I find myself slowing down to a crawl to mapdraw. This is fine but I'm afraid I'll be progressing at a snail's pace because of this. Any tips on how to efficiently mapdraw and progress at the same time?
>>340861743
Can you completely ignore Grimoires and be fine?
>>340859993
It's actually legitimately good. You'd be surprised by how deep the mechanics are. I don't know how it stacks up against EO but it's not bad by any stretch
>>340861849
Yeah, I did just that in EO1
>>340861827
I learnt how to do it really fast after the second stratum, but now I spend all the time looking at the bottom screen instead of the top screen, which is a shame. Don't try to force yourself to draw faster, that'll only make it boring, but you will get better.
>>340860260
>>340860465
>tfw the original had so much potential to be a great hidden gem
>the fucking flowers bullshit ruined everything
>>340861917
It's probably the best Vita dungeon crawler I've played. You should really play the EO games too though if you haven't already.
>>340861827
I just auto map because I'm lazy
>>340859925
>The music is generic RPG maker shit
>>340861185
Yo, is class of heroes 2 really that bad?
I really enjoyed number 1
>Etrian Odyssey U comes out
>It isn't on the Wii U
EO Untold 3 fucking when?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEsgRhIhHf8
>>340862259
I never played 1 so I don't know how they compared. The fact that your characters could lose stats when they level up and no BGM when dungeon crawling made me drop that game fast
>>340861346
Oh shit. The Keep looks neat.
>>340862396
2 bombed in Japan apparently so who knows
Does dungeon travellers 2 work on vitatv? Also is there a chink import with english that doesn't cut out the retarded lewd shit that I need.
Sometimes I want to buy a vita but the fact that I'd probably pay more for a memory card than the console bothers me.
>>340862396
Luckily we got that track in IV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw6Wc3VzNzE
But yeah, 3 is pretty broken
>>340862529
It did?
Of course things had to go wrong when it was the best EO game's turn to have a remake.
>>340862537
Yes, it does work on the Vita TV.
If you're using a Vita TV, you can just connect the console to your network and swap games on/off the console as you want to play them.
Sell this game to me /v/
I have decent standard and I don't buy games just for loli waifus
>there will never be a Strange Journey remake on the 3DS
>with mapdraw, an orchestral soundtrack, additional demons from SMT4 (Final), an extra dungeon
>all on the EO Untold 1/2 engine
This is painful
>>340862629
Do you like dungeon crawlers? No? Fuck off to another series because you definitely won't like it.
Never tried one? Give it a shot
>>340862646
I'd love an SMT 1 and 2 remake in the EO engine honestly
>>340862593
They decided to release it the same week as Smash 4 and ORAS for some reason.
>>340862629
The loli waifus don't even matter. They're just character portraits who never say anything.
The game is nothing but solid dungeon crawling, and that's completely fine.
>>340862629
Dungeon crawling with pleasant music, while drawing maps and using your imagination.
>>340862687
>>340862629
Also, you can try them through the demos for the 3DS games (which let you continue the game if you purchase it). Or pirate the DS games. Or pirate the 3DS games if you got the right 3DS
They're on sale often enough
>>340862646
Make it happen yourself.
>>340862537
They only edited 3 CG and it was relatively minor. It's not exactly something worth trying to bypass considering an uncensored English version doesn't exist. I'd say just get it (used if you wish)
If you want a lewd DRPG, get Moe Chronicle. It's pretty damn good. Not as deep as DT2 but still good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTU-jTmWr-k
I love this theme.
>>340859861
None of the games mentioned have combat as good as EO.
>>340862396
Never, hopefully. Untold is trash and was a mistake and cancer.
>>340862860
>>340862586
Why was IV's soundtrack better than the other games?
Like the other games had great tracks like Cherry Blossom Bridge, EO2's first battle theme, EO3's battle theme, boss theme and FOE theme and EOU1's final boss theme, but overall their tracks weren't as solid as EOIV's.
>>340862687
I'm a huge fan of old school dungeon crawlers but liking dungeon crawlers is not a reason to buy every dungeon crawler I see
>>340862780
>>340862745
Well now were talking
Comfy dungeon crawlers are definitely my thing
#1 dark spire dick sucker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioRpxc4yXvU
>>340862995
I liked it.
The banter on quests, especially the one where you have to spend several nights in the dungeon, was great.
>>340863046
Yeah it's pretty comfy. The defining feature is the mapmaking but the newer games' QoL features almost make it redundant if you so choose.
If you have a 3DS, get the demo of EOIV. If you don't, then maybe get EOIII.
>>340863046
You can pirate it or you can buy it right now during the discount sale in the nintendo e shop but you should hurry.
>>340862995
How? Their Classic modes were inoffensive
>>340861326
How is Strangers of Sword City. Looks like a more serious Demon Gaze.
Which wasn't that good
>>340863190
>>340863296
Yeah I bought it, but I guess I'll start with the first game in the series for the sake if the story
>>340861849
define "fine"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSe36ZBrldw
>>340863467
Story doesn't matter at all. In fact the very first title is so archaic and glitchy, it's probably better just to play Untold on classic mode than ever touch it.
What Dungeon Crawler games have combat that's on EO's level.
The games I've played haven't really had combat as synergistic as shit like Linkshark parties, WM parties and interactions like Imperials in EOIV
>>340858947
Synergy between the different classes and challenging but not unfair combat.
>>340861827
I just walk a tile at a time and turn to face the walls once on each tile, then draw them in. It's slower than just walking and then drawing lines for walls at each turn but it ensures I miss nothing that could be relevant in future sidequests and you only ever need to do it once, when you've mapped it, you've mapped it and can just breeze through
>>340863848
>tfw I cheesed EO3 with a Ninja/Zodiac spamming free mana for my backrow of Zodiac/Gladiators
>>340858947
Lolis, your own characters and party composition. Slowly crawling and mapping dungeons is strangely satisfying.
>>340862646
>tfw the director forgot he did Strange Journey
>>340861185
What's wrong with Class of Heroe 2?
>>340862687
Which EO game should I start with?
Imperials in EO4 were fucking dumb.
>>340864259
EOIV is the best to start off with. You can move onto either 3 or Untold 1 afterwards.
>>340864284
You could abuse the fuck out of them. Though I think Linkshark parties still out damaged Imperial oriented parties
>>340862646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxQmXWVU0GA
>>340864259
4 probably. 3 is very good too.
1 and 2 get into the realm of should you play the remake or not and that's a hard question to answer because unlike the above faggots they changed and ruined a lot more things then just balancing Immunize.
But 4 is probably the most beginner friendly and its dirt cheap for digital copies? like 15 bux or something. If you have a flashcart you can just get the ds versions of 1-3 and try those.
Also the story mode in untold is fucking dumb.
>>340863042
Those are some strong opinions
I find EO4's labyrinth 2 and 3 (and I guess 6 but that was the whole point of it) music to be strangely slow and ambient compared to the more melody-driven stuff in the other games. I'd say EO4 has equally as many 'hits' on its soundtrack as all the other games, there's always a couple that I'm not too fond of (EO3's Undersea Grotto comes to mind, jesus that got old fast)
Series favourite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDORH_UbQUE
>>340864259
Get the demo of 4.
If you like it get the full game.
>>340864452
How spooked were you by EOIV's 6th stratum battle music?
This is an important question
I'm just as excited for EO 5's soundtrack as I am for the game.
>>340864582
Why did those spooks leave a fresh meal for my party?
Were they just friendly ghosts?What were we actually eating?
>>340863943
>This
This is exactly how I did it when I learned most floors had shortcuts
>>340864582
>Dun! Dun! Dun! Dun! Dun! Dun! Dun! Dun!
>it's a couple golden beetles that my party dispatches easily
it got scarier as the dungeon went on.
>>340864831
>>340863943
Why dude?
The shortcut walls have visible anomalies in them that you can see without turning towards them.
>>340864412
>they changed and ruined a lot more things then just balancing Immunize.
What are you talking about
>>340865317
They didn't in the earlier games
>>340865317
I think that's only on the 3DS titles
But then again, you can guess which walls to check anyways.
If I'm not mistaken, quest-related spots were either at corners in which you run into anyways or at dead ends
>>340865317
The first game in the series I played was EO2. The abnormalities weren't yet in the series and the habit stuck
Is Ray Gigant any good?
YUZO KOSHIRO
So 4 and Untold just had a huge price cut on the EU Eshop and I'm considering buying one.
I played a little of EO1 on the DS but never got too far into it because I accidentally built the worst characters possible and didn't want to grind forever or start over. Do Untold and 4 alleviate this issue? Is it possible to beat them with shitty suboptimal characters or do I need to be asking /v/ for tips every time I level up?
>>340859925
>The music is generic RPG maker shit
>>340867053
I've only played 4, but as long as you don't go full retard and try to play without someone who can do some healing (Doesn't really have to be a Medic) you should be fine.
And between resting and retiring, mistakes are easy enough to fix.
>>340867053
You can beat them with sub optimal characters. The games are better balanced that the DS games
>>340867053
Resetting your skill points costs two levels in the 3DS games, so it's not a huge deal if you fuck up (and I'd say there's less opportunity to do so than in EO1&2).
Give me a good console dungeon crawler to play.
>>340867486
The Dark Spire
>>340859345
Are you going to include sub humans in your party?
>>340867639
on a console, not on a handheldPSTV is cheating
>>340867714
Stranger of Sword City
>>340867409
You basically want to build your party like an MMO, right? Tank, healer, the rest DPS with an offtank and offhealer in the mix?
>>340867447
>>340867465
Thanks pals, that's good to hear. I guess I'll pick up 4.
想像力
>>340867836
I'd argue tank + healer + offhealer is too defensive a party. The best parties usually kill the enemy before they take too much damage for the tank and/or healer to handle
>>340867698
>FOUR SWORDS
You mean super humans.
>>340867836
>You basically want to build your party like an MMO, right? Tank, healer, the rest DPS with an offtank and offhealer in the mix?
You can, but after a while you can transition into a more offense heavy party.
The party I ended up having for the second half of the game used the first unlockable class and a dancer to do most of the healing in battle; and the rest were damage dealers.
>>340868161
Super cuties
>>340868016
>>340868291
Thanks for the tips pals.
Really love the games. I adore the monster designs, the cute girls (even the guys eventually grew on me), THAT FUCKING MUSIC, the dungeon crawling aspect, the map making aspect, the challenge, the classes, everything real. Only thing I'm not a fan of is the skill point system which simply doesn't seem all that flexible. Also posting best boy and best girl in same picture.
>>340870901
Oh and FOE
>>340859925
this is some good bait
>>340870901
>Also posting best boy and best girl in same picture.
Where's Teach in that picture?
>>340871082
Not really a fan of teach. She just looks too generic.
>>340858947
Wizardry with moe.
>>340871184
She is the face of the series.
>>340870901
>best boy
he got quite a makeover in EO3, didn't he?
>>340874434
Well they both use guns...
>rolling for stats
This alone keeps me from playing Dungeon Crawlers yhat aren't EO.
>>340859647
I own an Xbox and can play the extremely over hyped Sword of Strange City and every EO I played so far is better than that game.
Apparently SoSC is one of the best DRPG on the Vita, so.
CUT THE THREAD
POST MUSIC INSTEAD TO SHOW THE SUPERIORITY OF YOUR GAME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fexF_XJCRQU
>>340860161
>better maps
>switches between perfectly symmetrical caves because ??? to rural villages that are mazes of one-way walls and explosive traps because ???
The maps are all clusterfucks and the only thing they really have going for them is that they are large. Puzzles punish you by forcing you to walk 100 steps to get back to where you were, and the high-regen system means that these steps waste only time, not resources. The only area that really felt like the floorplan matched the dungeon style was the lower and upper floors of the holy tower, and even then the middle ones were still a bit of a mess.
>>340876160
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPvBxglPNRI
Cheating mode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_0TeykT5NA
>>340876531
Wait, wrong link for cheating mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArWXf8-5ZxI
>tfw a fucking Japanese dungeon crawling loli game is one the first ever games to get "dragoons" somewhat right.
Can't wait for 5
