WTF I hate Morrowind now
They are quite different games. I liked them both.
>>340855738
That's the point I guess, whatever each game has to offer the other one falls short or don't offer it at all.
Though at the end of the day Gothic 2 is the better game. The idea of replaying Morrowind now gives a stomachache.
>>340855573
>not night of the raven
u fucked up op
>>340856119
>The idea of replaying Morrowind now gives a stomachache.
Probably because G2 is much more approachable - smaller map and less RPG elements lets you jump straight into game without really worrying about character creation and the build route; the quests are simpler. Also, you are much more familiar with the world and mechanics since people who play G2 most likely played G1 already.
>>340856610
>Gothic 2
>Quests are simpler
>Don't need to worry about character build
Could you try to hide a bit more you didn't play the game?
>>340856827
Now comapre these things to Morrowind.
>>340856610
Yeah and actual characters, actual fun quests that you can approach in different ways and no fucking cliff racers
It's all about which your prefer better lore or better gameplay. Gameplay always wins.
>>340856610
delete this shitpost and go play this game
>>340856989
>boring tedious """gameplay"""
Play Dark Souls if you want actual good gameplay autist.
>>340855573
So you prefer bland standard fantasy over something unique and different.
>>340856983
Yeah? Quests in Morrowind are simple as fuck. Meanwhile Gothic 2 is probably the game with the most ways to finish certain quests and find solutions to problems. Along with Deus Ex.
You do have to worry about character build in Gothic, in fact you really have to because you have to commit to your choices and if you go with magic the game can be very unforgiving in the beginning. In Morrowind you have a lot more of flexibility.
>>340857178
roll roll roll roll roll
or pick fucking mage and game is ez
truly top gameshit
>>340856827
But he is right unless we're talking about NOTR that is balls to the wall insane and unless you carefully hoard every stat boosting plate and minmax your build to shit and exploit the ai whenever possible you will have your shit kicked in brutally. Vanilla Gothic 2 is incredibly easy. NOTR Gothic 2 is on the opposite end of the difficulty scale.
>>340857178
Oh I see what's going on
What's Gothic 1 like? I haven't seen much discussion about the first game.
>>340857178
Lmao. All those games have for quality is setting. Nothing more.
>>340857392
Same as 2 but simpler
>>340857392
Gothic 1 has better atmosphere than 2. The controls are absolute shit but you'll get used to them and they may even really grow on you. It's almost as good as Gothic 2. Gothic 2 just has more (great) content.
Quality thread guys.
>>340857392
Simpler as far as mechanics go, arguably better in terms atmosphere.
>>340857392
Gothic 1> Gothic 2
They play exactly the same though. The first one just has the better setting and overall story.
>>340857392
Better story/climate, much less sidequests. Recommend playing in the Old Camp first. It's pretty easy if you know what you're doing though, unlike NOTR.
>>340857728
>atmosphere
God, I loved that feeling of being fucking stuck under a magic barrier and doing shit to get out while also trying not to die.
I remember playing Gothic 1 as a kid and roleplaying as a guard from the old camp that would work in the mines and watch over things. I would literally slow walk from mine camp through the forest to the mine, talk to people/kill bugs till night and then go back to my house in the old camp.
Fucking best game
>>340858102
Old camp are bitches. #newcamp4life
>>340857392
It's good with a little more difficult control scheme but still an amazing game. Reminds me of Deus Ex.
>>340858160
well fuck you buddy
This fight was a bitch. I'm almost certain only my critical hits got through this thing's defenses.
>amulet with 20 fire protection
Wew, thanks game. Is there even anything in this game that attack with fire aside from like five lizards?
>>340855573:^)
>this thread
IT'S LIKE I'M YOUNG AGAIN AND /v/ WAS STILL GOOD AND LANCED JACK AND DK WERE STILL HERE SHITPOSTING AND I DIDN'T WASTE MY LIFE YET
>>340855573
Welcome to the world of Gothic, anon. Remember, the first one, the second one and Night of the Raven are the best cRPGs you'll play, but don't dare venture past that.
>>340858709
/thread
>>340858709
G3 with community patch is good
>>340858783
G3 is never good, it's awful
>>340858783
Don't fucking start.
>>340858783
Not really, the world is way too big and the combat is the worst thing in this universe. The quests were terrible as well.
It still looks very good in my opinion and has the comfiest soundtrack in any game ever
>>340859026
Combat was always the bad part of gothic games.
>>340858783
It's bland. Quantity over quality.
Gothic 1/2 were about quality over quantity with its handcrafted and extreamly detailed world full of unique locations and quests.
>>340859242
>implying
Combat in 1/2 has an actual learning curve. Fights can be either hard or easy depending on your understanding of the mechanics.
Meanwhile combat in 3 has no learnnig curve at all, it's piss easy from the start to finish, only archery was fun.
![1295060-960338_20100423_004[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PT8QyPb.jpg "1295060-960338_20100423_004[1].jpg")
>>340859242
No, the combat in Gothic 1 and 2 is actually good, but super clunky. 3's combat is just terrible in every single way.
Also, how fucking cool it would be if Gothic 4 wasn't fucking linear action shit and was an actual open world RPG? The game looks absolutely beautiful and has a decent combat system. Such a shame, I was so hyped for that shit
>>340855573
TES sucks compared to Gothic. what else is new?
>>340859565
>Gothic 4
>has a decent combat system
It's such a rollspam it puts Dark Souls to shame.
>>340858783
>that one guy
Well 1 & 2 are the best games ever made so...
>>340859441
In 1 you can win almost everything just by holding block and attacking only when enemy is moving, provided that you can actually damage them. Or you can climb some weird ledge and murder everything with bow - that's how I killed entire orc camps in 1 and 2.
In 3 it's best to just kill with bow.
>>340859873
>In 1 you can win almost everything just by holding block and attacking only when enemy is moving, provided that you can actually damage them. Or you can climb some weird ledge and murder everything with bow - that's how I killed entire orc camps in 1 and 2.
This still requires some degree of understanding the mechanics.
>In 3 it's best to just kill with bow.
It's actually best to just keep spamming fast attack.
>>340858208
You're supposed to kill him with a spell as part of a quest later in the game. Don't sell the amulet, you need it for a quest, too
>>340857301
This.
I actually prefer Vanilla Gothic 2. Most of all because I don't think they implemented the additional territories that well into the game. It feels very tacked on and fucks with the pace in my opinion.
I'd recommend everyone to beat the regular Gothic 2 before playing the addon.
>>340860223
only NOTR is worth playing vanilla g2 is far to easy
>>340859873
The thing is combat in Gothic 1/2 is simply satisfying. Different enemies behave in their own specific ways and even your own moveset changes as you advance.
Recall the feeling of killing your first orc or discovering that with each new rank of weapon proficiency you now have a totally different moveset. It gives a sense of progression and achievement that G3 simply doesn't have.
>>340860382
>to easy
Plus, you're on /v/. I'll be glad to see them not get shitslapped by G2.
>>340860223
The problem with vanilla G2 was thar once you could reliably kill orc the game was basically over as your character snowballed in unstoppable god. NOTR """""""""fixed""""""""' it by making the game anus-crushingly hard and character progression slower than ever. Its basically unplayable for anyone but hardcore fans who know all ins and outs. Early NOTR levels are great though, no RPG makes you feel like such a wimpy bitch
Was ended up happening plot-wise in Gothic 3? As a kid my computer could not run it and when I tried playing it recently it was awful.
>>340860703
That's what fans wanted though :) everyone complained to the creators that G2 is too easy.
That was fixed in the most German way imaginable.
And Night of the Raven is not as bad difficulty wise as you make it up to be. If you know some tricks (give Darion the Fire Mage 50 gold until you can't anymore - there, your HP is doubled! Join Militia/Paladins and get gold which you really won't need much during the game to pray to Innos) it gets easier
>>340860703
You can still kill orcs relatively safely 1 on 1 from the start because of their retarded combat ai, it just takes like a million hits
>>340861047
You and Xardas destroy all of the Gods influence in the world to stop them from using humanity as a proxy for their retarded conflict.
I'll forever love Gothic.
>>340861047
xardas full on betrayed you, like the g2 outro implied. you search for him and rebel against the orcs. you take the throne in the end.
What's better
Witcher 3 or Gothic 2
>>340861287
I'd say Gothic 2 myself but I can see why someone would disagree.
>>340860218
That explains it. I thought quest locations were only the locked places, and everything else is fair game. Is "Value: 1000" the game's way of warning me about not immediately obvious quest items? I picked up a few such items and was wondering about the strangely high value.
>>340861175
>>340861187
So how does Arcania: Gothic 4 fit into the equation?
>NPCs live on schedule, they take breaks to piss or eat something
>city residents throw parties with weed in the evening
>various monsters sleep or hunt at night
>goblins take shelter in caves
>scavenging types get distracted by corpses
>some monsters are lone types, some attack in herds
These are such meaningless details gameplay wise, but I love how vibrant the world feels thanks to them
>>340861660
It doesn't.
>kill Thorus in all 3 games
>suddenly dude main villain
What
>>340857178
Almost got me although I must say that this wasn't a particularly good bait. Props to catching me off guard for a sec there, though.
>>340855573
So much more entertaining than Morrowind.
>>340861287
Gothic 2. But Wittcher 3 is the most "gothic like" game, maybe because its made by eurofags
Name a comfier game.
You can't.
>>340861287
g2
witcher 3 is only good if u care about lore gameplay suck dick
>>340862234
It's made by Poles and Poland absolutely loves this game. Love to Gothic can also be seen in Russia and most other Slavic countries.
>>340861763
I love how replies like this practically scream "I know it's not actually bait but I'm incapable of or too lazy to defend my opinion, so I'll just call bait!"
>>340861697
but then you kill all of the creatures nearby and there is suddenly none left.
mobs only spawn after each chapter or smth. like wtf
I LOVE to play as a mage in RPGs
Was the hottest shit in Gothic
Didn't play Gothic 2 as a mage though
How are mages in G2?
Where should I start if I want to play Gothic 1&2 for the first time? Where can I get them, are there any required patches/mods?
>>340862602
G2 vanilla it's pretty much the way to go - there's enough LPs so you can become as good as any warrior, but you also get access to spells. You can max both Mana, Strength and everything you wish pretty much.
In NOTR, however, you start weak as hell, there's lots of problems early on, it's hard to decide what to spend LPs on because they're so stingy with them and everything costs so much.
But once you get to good spells, you once again become a pure beast.
gothic/risen games are really nothing special. I don't get why some people like them. germans do not make good rpgs. they suck an innovation.
>>340862775
Grab the GOG version. Community patches are not necessary, but many prefer to play with them.
>>340862904
btw I'm not Todd Howard
>>340862775
Poles made a few fan expansions to Gothic 1 and 2. It has legendarz status in Poland. My two brothers played it alot.
Just pirate it if you are not in USA/germany.
>>340862836
>good spells
just get fireball max mana and its more ez then any warrior
more mana = more dmg
>>340862775
You can get both of the from Steam also.
>>340862836
I just invest in Dexterity in NotR. There were 2or 3 swords that use dex and it helps immense as you not need to rely on strenght tfor damage.
>>340862234
Witcher 1 is the most Gothic influenced of all 3, Witcher 2 is the closest in gameplay and Witcher 3 is on the opposite end of the spectrum and is pretty much the Gothic 3 of the Witcher series.
Damn I want to play Witcher 1 again.
>>340862775
DX11 mods is fucking core to both
>>340862935
>>340863041
>>340863219
>>340863313
so there are no game-breaking bugs that need fixing or anything, I can just grab the games and play vanilla?
>>340863268
I may be wrong by I think rapiers still used str to calculate damage
>>340863551
the controls are a game breaking bug
>>340863268
> you not need to rely on strenght tfor damage
You do. Your melee damage is derived from your STR regardless of the weapon requirements.
>>340863551
There's a bug where the game might become unbeatable if you slay the dragons in incorrect order, so do it in correct order
>>340863551
If you want to play through Steam you have to download some small patches. There is a guide how to do and what.
>>340863620
Once you get used to them (takes an hour in G2, about two in G1) they're fine.
>>340863620
I think it has more to do with your inability to adapt.
>>340863620
>>340863732
both in G1? is there a mod or whatever that makes the controls better?
>>340863756
I'd probably rather not play on Steam, actually
>>340863620
>I literally can't adapt to video games
>>340863620
go back to ur meme souls
>>340863732
lol no
>>340863838
I played the games at release.
The G1 controls are pure shit.
G2 fixed it.
>>340863864
controls is no problem if u are not mentaly challenged
>>340863620
There is nothing wrong with the controls. They seem unusual at first, but once you get over the initial shock it's very intuitive. The only time when it genuinely sucks is if you try diving. But why would you?
>>340864187
aight.
>>340863919
>>340863979
>>340863838
>>340863783
Everyone knows the controls are the worst thing.
Why so defensive?
>>340864124
I liked G1 controls. It recall felt like you're picking up shit and opening chest.
>>340864279
You are not everyone, Anon.
Therei is literally nothing wrong with them and you can't name a single thig wrong with them, you are just unable to adapt to anything different from what you got used to.
>>340864348
Inventory and trading felt like chores
>>340864279
we know its worst but not fucking hard to use jesus just spent 10min adapt and its ok
>>340864443
in g1 g2 fix it
>>340864239
The only issue with the controls is that the game doesn't even attempt to communicate them to you and teach you how to use them. So unless youread the manuallook up a guide you will be sitting there thinking "how the fuck am I supposed to pick up items?"
>>340864425
>>340864501
>adapt
I played the games 14 years ago.
They shaped me.
The controls are still bad.
>>340862542
This was done to keep your character progression in check. You can't powerfarm in one or two areas near the start on respawning enemies and tackle the first chapters with a more powerful character than intended. Likewise, the mobs spawning later can be scaled up t keep the challenge up .
I'm not completely satisfied with either, but it's the best compromise between game balance and believability the devs could come up with.
>>340864676
In what way exactly?
>>340864845
In g1 you have to press 2 buttons to pick something up.
>>340864845
Gee, I wonder why no game besides Gothic made you hold ctrl and tap forward to perform an action.
Oh right, because it's a fucking terrible idea.
>>340864937
Yes, and?
>>340865028
It makes the game playable on keyboard only.
>>340865047
Why?
>>340865138
Make a "use" button. Lets call it E.
Press E to use stuff.
Not ctrl+w.
how much nostalgia you need to have to pretend gothic controls weren't always shit until risen
>>340865154
who care im not playing game for fucking comfy controls just deal with it also u can change it to g2 controls
>>340864443
it felt comfy
>>340865243
Gothic 1 controls were good with some adjustment.
Gothic 2 controls were good because they adjusted it themselves
>>340865243
how were Gothic 3 controls shit?
>>340864443
Okay you have a point here, inventory management really sucked.
Combat was good once you read the manual though.
>>340865242
But the controls in Gothic actually allow you to need a minimal amount of keys. You can left click or whatever to tell the game you want to use something. You then give the direction of wanting to do something, with the same keys you use for movement. Then you use the same logic for everything, ranging from trade, combat, picking and dropping items, and so on. It's unorthodox, but it's not bad.
>>340861697
They are only as meaningless as you make them out to be. Fuckign Oblivion release had everyone "excited" with Radiant AI and it was worse than that of Gothic, and Pyranha Bytes did it earlier and first.
>>340864279
what the hell is so bad about them? directional arm movement in combat is not a bad thing. go play dragon age 1 on consoles. that are bad controls. gothic just isn't like the rest. but perfectly playable once you take the time to learn it and not just rush in, die and scream shit game.
>>340864636
that's what manuals were for back then. prefer it to a thousand on-screen messages and HUD hints any day.
>this game sucks because I suck at it
>this game doesn't have the casual standards that were set by games released years later
>I wish this game was more like Skyrim and CoD
>Hardcore? I know a thing or two about hardcore: Dark Souls and umm the list goes on.....
>>340860703
I played a russian addon that went full hardcore even beyond NoTR.
I literally wasn't able to kill a single wolf or goblin without scrolls at the beginning, it was that hard. Was worth it though, it had a shitload of extra content.
>>340855573
Good job anon you developed taste
>>340865843
Ultima had NPC schedules in the '90s. Bethesda is just shit.
>>340865895
The combat controls are fine.
You know exactly that we dont talk about them.
>>340866458
what is it then? the extra ctrl press? yeah, that could've been a one-button solution, but come the fuck on. it's not like they make the game unplayable.
>>340866121
G2 Returning?
The devotion of the Gothic fans all over the world can be seen in the fact that mod-making kit is shit but they still don't fuck around.
>>340866121
you mean the l'hiver mod with new textures, armors, weapons, difficulty etc.?
>>340865895
The controls are fine. You move with keys, look around with mouse and interact with clicking. What the fuck is wrong with that. People say gothic 1 has worse controls but it is basicaly the same thing. You just have to click and press forward to pick up shit instead of just clicking.
The only thing that is "bad" is the combat. The combat system is really good if you fight againts one enemy, but goes to shit the moment you fight more than one. You can only damage enemy you locked on to. Otherwise your sword just goes through everything else so you end up killing enemies one by one and tanking all the damage from others. Thank god risen fixed that shit.
>>340855573
G2:NOTR has been my favorite game up until Witcher 3 came out. You can see why Witcher 3 took its place - it's basically his big bro. Love european RPG, especially since i live in eastern EU. These games hit home so hard.
>>340866651
...The problem is the same description fits the Returning mod as well, except L'hiver improves graphics more but as a tradeoff its gameplay is worse.
>>340866635
Yes it was that one.
All areas from G1 were reimplemented, though they were swarming with lol2strong4me enemies and it somewhat felt like a chore to clear them off for xp.
My favorite feature was the redone magic system. You can choose to be a magician of any of the three gods, or even a guru in the sect camp, and you can only learn the magic of the god you serve. There are a lot of new spells though so it really doesn't feel like a restriction, and adds a lot to immersion.
>>340867102
>live in Eastern Europe
>your country only ever produced a single good game and even that is debatable and was more than two decades ago anyway
Embarrassing. I wish my country would get its shit together.
>>340867423
>live in Eastern Europe
>your country has not produced a good game, ever
. . .
>>340867654
Guess which country.
>>340867423
nah bro, i didn't say i live in Polan. I live in fucking Romania, it's a shithole. People are religious fanatics, we produce kitch music/TV and the lack of civilization outside the big cities boggles my mind. Nevermind the corruption.
The best part is the extremely low crime rate i guess...it's pretty chill and comfy here cuz guns are rare as fuck. Good food too.
>>340867654
Er, let me think, Slovakia?
>>340868158
Nah,a Baltic country. I mean, it still counts as Eastern Europe, right?
>>340868068
are you a Gypsie? What's your opinion on Bozgors?
>>340867102
Witcher 3 is nothing like Gothic. If it was, I might've actually enjoyed it.
>>340868324
Latvia?
>>340868434
this. you can't even attack who the game doesn't want you to.
>>340868450
Yes.
>>340868356
>are you a Gypsie
idk why you assume that, they are a minority here and you won't find many on the internet.
>Bozgors
that's a pretty offensive way to call a hungarian person (it means man with no country or something) but i did call a few of my HU friends that jokingly, the cool ones.
I'm romanian by the way.
>>340868068
At least Romania is a really beautiful place. Wish your country would finally make some decent motorways, though. Traveling there by car is a pain in the ass for no good reason.But then again, we never had the friendliest of relationships, so it's understandable.
>>340868557
I know that feel mans draugs, how the fuck has this country not produced any decent video games yet
>>340868068
>implying guns are related to overall crime rate in any way
Don't start, you can buy black powder guns without any permits where I live and cases of crime commited with them is extremaly low. No connection.
>half of this thread is from eastern yurop
why am I not surprised
>>340868653
>idk why you assume that.
cause /v/ is mostly comprised of racist fucktards
>>340869247
i was just saying we have low crime rate and almost no guns. Take it however you want. I wasn't associating the two.
>>340869607
Yeah, why would a German game be well known in areas near Germany?
>>340857178
>Dark Souls
>Good gameplay
Even Morrowinds shitty combat is better, fuck off.
>start G1 for the first time since ever to finally finish it
>almost at the end
>orc temple
Fuck that place, it's not even hard, it's fucking boring.
pic unrelated
>>340869751
what drugs do you need to take to believe that? besides, they're fundamentally different. wouldn't even compare them
Alright you faggots convinced me to play it. Are there any mods I should get for 2?
>>340870464
no mods needed
>>340869734
we only get brown romanians here to be honest.
>>340870464
Play 1 first with the system pack then play 2 with NotR and the system pack.
>>340870464
Complete on novice difficultly with the crosshair enabled
>>340855573
GOG bundle when?
>>340871025
I'm sure they'll have one during the sale. It's too much of a fan favorite, they always have a Gothic bundle.
Anyone else holds on to torches like a fucking autist instead of just dropping them?
>>340872570
i can't let them just lie on the Floor, m8
they will burn there forever
>>340872570
At night I enjoy being comfy
>>340872570
>using torches
But light spell is objectively superior and very common.
>>340870464
You can install L'hiver if you're fine with everything killing you in two hits.
>>340872878
Me too. That's why I sleep at night instead of wandering out there.
