>Doing this in a $40 game
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD REEEEEEEEE
>>340759847
$60 on Piss4
:^)
I've already bought a couple of $10 ones and a $20 one. Please send help.
I think the only people buying these are no life neets or kids with daddy's money.
They have to make money somehow, stop being entitled.
>buying it
RREEEEEEE
Don't buy it ya fagoloid
>>340760056
or completionist autists with a tugboat
>>340760056
No-life neets can't afford that.
Why would you buy them when you can get them for free? You aren't even guaranteed anything good.
>spending actual real money on virtual cosmetics
Maybe get some self-control?
>>340760056
Thats always the case.help
What exactly is the problem?
>>340759847
It's just cosmetics, don't be a stupid faggot, go fucking play the game and level up you sad sack of shit
How long till it goes F2P?
Do people really want skins that bad? You don't even see it 99% of the time you're playing. People who pay for cosmetics are total idiots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9RjDRLBWio
>WHY MUST THIS COMPANY FORCE ME TO BUY THIS ALTERNATIVE COSMETICS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>340760257
Hopefully never. I don't want BR's and CYKA BLYAD's infesting this game.TF2 going F2P was the final nail in it's coffin desu.
>>340759847
cucks will defend this
But hey, they need all that money to fix the "hit boxes"
>>340760185
I didn't buy them you autist.
>>340760056
no-life neets have all the time in the world to get everything by leveling up though
>OH CHRIST NO NOT COMPLETELY SUPERFLUOUS COSMETIC ITEMS FUCK
It's hilarious how far you faggots have to stretch to try and shit on Overwatch. Because POPULAR THINGS JUST CAN'T BE GOOD RITE GUYS?! EVERYTHING IS TORTANIC NOW!
>>340760487
The word cuck means nothing anymore
>>340759847
roooooooOOOOOOOOOO
>haven't bought a box
>level 54
>have gotten like 5 legendaries and have 600 gold after buying a bunch of dumb shit at level 45
One of the legendaries was actually a gold drop after spending like 400 gold and i felt the salt flow after that.
>>340760579
No, I like overwatch, and I'll still play it regardless. i'm just miffed at blizzard being corporate dickheads.
>>340760579
Weakest bait today
>>340760503
Well why are whining about it then?
They don't give anyone else an advantage for wasting their money.
>>340760653
>giving people options makes them dickheads
>>340760257
Never
>>340759847
>buying skins in an fps where you barely even get to see said skins.
K E K
>>340760056
More money than time.
>>340760675
rot in hell stillborn cuck
>>340760703
>defending microtransactions in priced games
Go fuck yourself. That's the only valid response to your shit.
>>340759847
>before release
>N-NO CASH SHOP, NOT 100% CONFIRMED YET, T-THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE RETAIL PRICE!!
>after release
>W-WELL IT'S JUST COMESTIC'S E-EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING TO BE FREE FOREVER Y-YOU'LL SEE!!
damn am I laughing
>>340760653
If you keep playing it, you get boxes. If you bought boxes, it'll not be fun to earn boxes. Get mad at blizzard all you want, they're still a bunch of people trying to make money, this is the best way for everyone to get what they want overall.
>People actually spend money on lolrng boxes they get by playing the game for free
I will never understand millennial cucks.
>>340760675
>O-h shit, he's r-right. Uh, better resort to using m-my bait card. Hehehe that'll s-show him.
>>340760868
You keep throwing insults but you've yet to explain why this is a bad thing
>>340760703
Charging for shit that should have come with the asking price does make them dickheads, yes.
>>340759847
I'm actually impressed by the fact you called it a forty dollar game instead of sixty
>>340759847
>>Doing this in a $40 game
Its okay when BDO does it
Its okay when FFXIV does it
Its okay when <shitty multiplayer game> does it:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)
They are cosmetics that don't change the game in any way. What is the problem?
J U S T
F U C K I N G
B U Y
T H E M
Y O U
S P A S T IC
If you go to an amusement park, you can buy Speed Pass for more than the entrance price and go to any ride you want first.
You pay 60$ to get in the amusement park and then 80$ to go in front of everybody.
Isnt that the same concept?
>>340760923
You get them for free you autist
>>340760923
It does come with the asking price though. You get a box every level and there is infinite levels.
>>340760056
You're wrong.
The people who buy these are those with jobs and tons of disposable income because they only get to play for an hour every other day but can easily afford buying loot boxes
>1990-2016
>buy game, get all the content
>2016+
>buy game, basic features/items locked behind gambling paywall
>>340759847
people defend this stuff now. even on /v/. dont even try OP
Honestly i'd probably buy some boxes if i had some more spare change and the bought boxes had a better chance at giving good shit.
Money is a bit tight right now though so just getting them from leveling up will have to do for now. Already got two legendary skin drops and the legendary 500 coins drop and i'm only lvl 30. Bought the Lucio hockey skin and now all i need is the legendary safari Winston skin and i won't really care about skins at all.
>>340760257
When hell freezes over.
>>340760886
This.
>its better than tf2, you get cosmetics through the games unlike jewlve where you need to buy keys
Now
>shhut up it is just cosmetics, nobody force you to buy
Delusions I tell ya. At least tf2 items can be sold.
>>340759847
>bought 400 loot boxes and livestreamed opening them
My 23 viewers loved it
So is someone going to actually explain why this is bad or are we just going to throw buzzwords around for 300+ posts?
>>340760895
DUDE I HAVE A LIFE I CAN'T SPEND TIME PLAYING VIDEO GAMES LIKE A LOSER TURBONERD
>>340760019
Congrats you’re an idiot and a tool. The exact kind of people Blizzard’s jews are targetting. Don't come back here to cry afterward at your useless spraypaints sucker.
>>340761135
False.
Also, the game is not locked behind a paywall. You unlock cosmetic items. Just like in Diablo 2, you dont get ZOD runes for free, you have to "grind" them.
>People giving a shit about purely cosmetic stuff that has no actual impact on gameplay
>Meanwhile TF2 and CSGO have loot crates and keys and whatnot and people eat that shit up
>most of the legendary skins are divisive
>most of the blue skins are barely distinguishable from the base skin
>purple skins are generally okay
>boxes are like 60% white-white-blue-white anyway
>the skins you actually want can be bought with in-game currency, which is very easy to accrue once you have the level of dupes typical at about level 50 or so
There's literally no reason to buy the boxes unless you are like level 10 and the most impatient person ever to exist.
I'd buy some if there was literally ANYTHING special coming out of those boxes, like in Valve crates where you have a fraction of a percent of a chance of getting something.
But there's not. It's just skins you've seen a hundred times over. No unique items, no special snowflake stuff, just the skins you see over and over again. Kind of like LoL.
>>340761358
>I'd buy it if it made me a special snowflake
You are the worst type of consumer
>>340760923
>b-but microtransactions, guys! they're all ebil!
Die in a fire, faggot. Nobody with a brain gives a shit about entirely optional cosmetics that you can still get by just playing the fucking game.
>>340760886
>mfw
Wait till Blizz start charging for new characters or maps.
I have no idea why people either complain about this, or actually buy into the boxes. I'm only level 27 and I've gotten a ton of good shit. The exact Mei skin I wanted, a good Symmetra skin, the absolute best sprays for my most played characters, Chill Out for Mei and Play Nice, Play Pharah (the two indisputably best voice lines for them). Lots of other good shit. And even if I make it another 27 levels without getting the few remaining things I want, I have enough in-game coins to just buy them.
I guess it helps that I have better taste than almost everyone, and therefore realize that 90% of the skins are inferior to default.
>>340760923
It does come with the asking price you mong. What you don't like the fact that they gave an option for the people that are impatient, when literally everything can be earned without paying an extra cent?
The main problem I have with paid cosmetics in a pay game is that I'd consider these cosmetics to be part of the buying price. You can earn loot boxes with play time but I feel like the upper limit on points required is a bit high and it's easy to see that they'd make loot boxes take a little longer to get to encourage you to just buy them.
It CAN be done just to give people an additional option, but the fact that you can't just buy currency doesn't give me much faith in that.
>>340761584
>and therefore realize that 90% of the skins are inferior to default.
>being that guy
>>340761574
Already confirmed new maps and characters will be free and you can download them right from the get go, unlike something like Battleborn that has their characters locked behind timegates
>>340761019
No because that actually changes core mechanics instead of just aesthetics. If you were able to pay to change the color of the coasters you're riding on it'd be the same concept
What is it about Overwatch, and Blizzard in general, that triggers /v/ so fucking ridiculously hard?
Claim
>It doesn't affect the game!
Reality
>Mere existance of a pay2notgrind system causes the game to be designed in a more grindy manner
>>340761828
Popularity.
/v/ is full of tryhard underage contrarians. Always has been always will be, there will always be dumb children.
>>340761828
They got scammed by WoW
>>340760056
I bought some because I'm a richfag and I just want my goddamn mariachi Reaper skin. I make that much money in an hour.
>>340761341
It's becauze TF2 and CSGO don't have the hype and mainstream popularity of Overwatch, and /v/ is hipster as FUCK even though they'll never admit it.
If it's a popular game, /v/ is going to shit on it regardless, no matter how nitpicky they have to get, or otherwise they won't be "real hardcore gamers who don't eat up that casual normie AAA garbage," even if the game is actually really great.
You can get everything from the boxes you want in time by just playing the game. People without that time can just buy them
>REEEEEEEEE BUT I PAID FOR THE GAME AND WANT EVERY SINGLE SKIN THE SHILLS OWE ME!
Possibly, but the route Blizzard is taking is by selling random boxes that retards can buy for free updates to the game. EX more heroes and maps down the line. Piss and moan all you want about how blizzard is lying and updates wont be free, they haven't given any indication otherwise and it isn't a counter-argument.
I am happy with this system, because many games with skins are only unlockable via cash.
>>340761574
>W-WELL IT'S A NEW GAME MODE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE --BASE-- GAME ACTUALLY, O-ONLY NORMAL TO CHARGE FOR NEW CONTENT LIKE THIS, A-AND WE CALLED IT EXPANSION PACK'S IN 1970 YOU UNDERAGE NEW-FAG'S!!
>>340760385
>Implying it isn't already filled with BR's.
>>340761809
No. You pay to have more "fun" faster.
>>340761828
Western company, 4chan is a weeb hangout and always has been.
>>340761914
>Grindy
What are you grinding for anon?
Theres no additional/loss of gameplay if you grind harder/slower
Its literally just cosmetics.
>>340761914
>the "grinding" is literally just playing the fucking game
What the fuck.
>>340760056
Rich streamers buy like hundreds of dollars worth of them and earn it all back almost immediately
>>340761828
Maybe it's the 100 fucking daily threads about the same waifus over and over again?
I have a friend who keeps looking for my validation to buy a bunch of cosmetic loot crates
How do I stop him?
>>340761645
The problem though is that it's easy to see some of the F2P model potentially leaking in. Like if there were no pay option, loot boxes being earned 20% faster for everyone. It gives them an incentive to dilute the game to encourage you to pay more money. None of that is provable for Overwatch but I do think loot boxes could stand to come in more frequently by a little bit more.
>>340760257
never
less than 10 second queues and good games
queuing solo is fucking retarded though
I bought two $40 packs.
>>340762132
As if /v/ didn't have hundreds of waifu threads before Overwatch?
>>340759847
>REEEEEEEEE
What is this? Some sort of mating call? Never seen a human make that sound before
>>340761723
>I'd consider these cosmetics to be part of the buying price
That's your problem, then. It was never once implied or advertised that you would get a bunch of skins for every character unlocked from the beginning.
>>340762041
How is changing the way your character looks when you can't even see them for 90% of the match considered the fun part of the game?
>>340762354
Its the autism screech.
>>340762354
Blame /r9k/ and frogposting
>>340762130
>and earn it all back
Yeah just with the video they record unboxing all of them.
>>340761914
How so? It only takes like 22k xp to level up after about 30, and it doesn't increase from there until at least 60, probably further than that too.
22k exp is barely 5-6 long games, equivalent to roughly 45 minutes to an hour of play.
This "grinding" is also just playing the damn game, it's not like you're going far out of your way to kill level 2 boars in a forest for a week to get a box.
>>340762141
Tell him that it will fuck up his sense of progression and kill his desire to keep playing and gaining levels. It will only make the game less entertaining.
what's even the point for skins in an FPS?
You won't be even seeing them for 90% of the time
>>340759847
>mfw I don't even have enough money for the base game
>>340762141
Hard lines help. You might need to compromise something like "You can get 10 but absolutely no more. I don't care if you only need one more D.Va skin to complete the set, no more after 10 period."
>Buying crates
>Buying crates when most golds and pinks are shit
>>340762407
Exactly? You pay to have access to stuff other people will get for free later. You pay to go fast.
All of you are faggot niggers and i can objectively prove it because the only thing blizzard did wrong was
>have a model viewer for the characters
>only allow view rotation on one axis
>>340762486
Show them online.
>>340762486
Changes the view model, some voice lines and you look cool in potg.
>>340762486
What's the point of wearing nice clothes? You won't even see yourself in them 90% of the time.
>>340761914
>causes the game to be designed in a more grindy mannerNice bait
>>340762572
I've caught myself staring at Mei's ass in the hero gallery more then once.
>>340761224
But you do get cosmetics by playing.RNG drops are shit anyway
>>340762535
>buying sprays
>when achievement sprays are better
>>340762662
except if you look down you'll see your clothes, if you look down in this game you won't see anything
>>340762486
are you retarded? do you also think yuppies buy their posessions to enjoy them themselves?
>>340762465
It doesn't ever increase. You get to level 101 and it starts all over again until level 22 and then it remains the same experience gain until level 201 and it resets again at that point
>>340762160
Why would it even fucking matter at all if everyone earned loot boxes 20% faster?
NONE OF IT EVEN FUCKING MATTERS AT ALL IN THE SLIGHTEST. That's what people have been saying over and over.
>Oh no what if they slowed down the xp to sell loot boxes
WHO GIVES A SINGLE SHIT EVEN IF THEY DID. IT'S FUCKING NOTHING.
>buy 11 boxes
>fist time ever buying cosmetics in a video game
>all I get is a couple skins for characters I barely use and a bunch of emotes or whatever
Welp, learnt my lesson. Not doing that again.
man, imagine if the microtransactions weren't in. then people would have a reliable way of getting the skins they want
>higher in-game currency rate
>cheevos for using the character e.g."freeze 50 enemies with mei to earn the legendary skin"
instead, people have been conditioned into believing cosmetics is optional in games. as if customizing how your character looks has never been a big thing in videogames. pretty sad
>level 30
>Haven't bought any loot boxes
>Already have more than half the skins I want.
>>340762465
Not them, but personally I'd prefer the EXP cost to be about 20% lower. Especially considering it's a rarity system so a lot of boxes are going to be the 3 greys 1 blue ones. It'd be nice if the pay system were a little more disconnected, like having an option to just buy currency for those people that want a specific skin.
I don't think the option to buy lootboxes is the worst thing, just not the best.
>>340759847
>he buys optional unlock boxes for cosmetics
wew lad.
That said, the game is pretty expensive for the given content. I can't blame them though; raking in that casual money.
>there's people actually defending getting fucked in the ass
>they are literally on all fours saying it's alright for activision to shove their dicks up their asses
You guys are either very apologetic or simply that dumb. Everything you parrot about it being just cosmetics or you can get them free in game is everything the companies themselves have said. You're following their line of thinking, which is exactly what they want. I expect no less from the ignorant gaming populace.
>>340761979
>lying on 4chat
If you could buy in game currency instead of boxes would you /v/.
>>340762816
Screw achievements to get skins. SFV does this and it's horrible.
>>340761475
>JUST SPEND MONEY ON THINGS THAT EVERYONE ELSE ALREADY OWNS
Lol, that's what poor people do.
>>340762551
Ah I get it now, but I still think with theme parks you're doing nothing but standing in line unless you have the fast pass, but with overwatch you're still able to play the game normally and the skins don't affect it nearly as much
Blizzard is not to blame for this, it's the stupid that buy them that are to blame
TotalBiscuit literally made the best point and argument about this whole thing
>purely cosmetic
>funds later content
There's a lot of things wrong with the game, this isn't one of them
>>340762860
Or
Or
I don't give any fucking shit about fucking cosmetics because I'm not a petulant child. I haven't even fucking opened any of my loot crates and I'm level 73.
>>340760608
>Don't get a yellow til level 32
>Get B.va
>I don't play Dva but whatever
>Get another yellow at 47
>Another B.va
What the fuck
>bought 50 loot boxes.
>got everything i wanted for characters i liked via drops and currency.
>end up playing different characters, now i want theirs.
I had to remove my bank card from my account to stop me.
>>340759847
>People still getting angry over this
I'm not getting it. It's all cosmetic shit that you get out of it, not something that gives you any kind of advantage. It's not like you HAVE to buy any of those crates either, you're kind of a retard if you do, considering you can just earn them over time.
So why are we getting mad over stupid normies buying these crates?
>>340762860
the only ones getting fucked in the ass are the idiots who buy these things, which no one is defending
>>340761983
>CS:GO
>Not mainstream
Kill yourself neet faggot
>>340761914
Grinding how, when all the stuff is cosmetic that LITERALLY has no effect on the gameplay?
>>340759847
>Optional extra lootbox DLC
>Bad
Did you forget you can get them for free Opie?
>>340761293
Alright.
>>340762962
Well sure, standing in line is not fun, but let say that Standing in line was the "game" and the rollercoaster was the lootbox.
>>340762784
This is why the system is stupid.
You don't even have the option to buy the ones you want. Granted most skins are terrible and simple reskins but if you want Paragon Reinhardt you'll have to sit there box after box hoping you get it.
>>340762979
>Check his videos
>Decide to watch it
>40 minutes
Oh.
some people go to vegas, gamble, and lose a hundred bucks. autistic nerds gamble on digital cosmetics.
I wouldn't mind so much if they just called it gambling instead of 'microtransactions' but I get they are trying to squeeze through some legal loopholes.
>>340763048
>I don't care about them, but Im still playing the game. I-I havent even opening any of my loot crates!
>>340763158
it's finally become a decent analogy
>>340762995
Purely cosmetic isn't an excuse because it's still a reward for the game, it's something desirable like a lot of rewards in most games.
People confuse the f2p argument too far in the wrong way, the problem isn't "it's always okay to charge for cosmetics" it's "it's almost never okay to charge for gameplay".
The argument that it'll fund future content is pretty hollow considering we've already paid just to start playing.
>>340763220
He makes a lot of good points and BTFO's Rustled Rodriguez and Jim
>>340761828
General contrarianism, mainly.
It doesn't help that people who have bought the game are making hundreds of threads about it, and people who haven't bought the game are assuming that they're all paid shills.
popularity itself is triggering to some. Overwatch doesn't cater to try hards so that offends many people as well. Try hards get very offended when more casual games become more popular and successful than others. They feel that their try hard attitude should make them invincible and ultimate's in overwatch ensure that noobs can get kills as well regardless of skill. There are many reasons for them and hipsters to get upset.
Just ignore the try hards, they'll go back to stomping pubs and feeling good about themselves whenever the hype for overwatch dies down. Overwatch offers enough of a skill ceiling to be enjoyable and allows for you to stand out while not entirely destroying the match for the enemy team fun wise.
The thing that triggers them the most is that they can't stop it. This game is fun, gambling micro transactions for insignificant skins is appealing to some and doesn't effect gameplay at all and this game simply is not objectively bad enough to matter. It triggers them so much that it makes people want to spite them further for their impotent rage.
Same thing happened with DOOM, /v/ wants another tortanic so bad that they are autistically raging mad that good games are coing out in 2016.
Same reason they're triggered over every other popular game: contrarianism
This is a board obsessed with wanting to see things fail so that it supports their cynical worldview
any popular games gets triggered here. it's the norm of this website
It's just nerds without friends crying.
>>340762816
Except all of that shit is just hypothetical stuff you made up. Not only hypothetical, but also not mutually exclusive with the system they have now. There's nothing stopping them from having loot box skins AND achievement skins if they wanted, so the only logical conclusion to draw here is that achievement skins were never part of the plan to begin with, so you haven't "lost" anything.
>>340763075
But people are defending its availability in the game. You all are defending that you'll get them for free. You may think you hold the higher moral ground, but you're still just as much of a slave as anyone else playing this game.
>>340759847
I don't understand this shit.
It's a fucking first person game who fucking gives a shit what your skin is. At least TF2 hats were tradable, these skins just turn into currency when you get duplicates.
Plus it sounds like the dominant strategy of the game is to use all heroes as the situation calls for, so you won't get to use your favorite skin most of the time.
I've bought some because they're kind of fun to open and a lot of the cosmetics are pretty cool.
You aren't so poor that loot boxes break the bank, are you?
>>340760089
I haven't bought a single box and I'm rolling in content. It's not that bad since past level 20 something they all take the same amount of experience to get. I play enough a day to get 1 box and hang it up unless I'm specifically playing with friends.
>>340763406
you're making a big issue out of a non-issue. they're just fucking cosmetic boxes in a stupid little video game, why the fuck does anyone care so much?
>>340760056
no life neets cant afford overwatch
source: no life neet here
>>340763406
>but you're still just as much of a slave as anyone else playing this game
Nothing to say to this but lel.
>>340763332
Angry Joe is a complete nigger idiot
he complained that Dirty Bomb was pay to win because he paid an absurd amount and still wasn't winning because he didn't understand that skill is the primary factor. Now DB has 1m+ people who watched that slimy mexican's videos who will never play DB just because he said it was pay to win when it really isn't.
>>340763332
Jim made a video too, it has counter arguments that are also valid like saying "I don't agree that 'it's only cosmetic' is an excuse because it's still a desirable reward in the game"
They both also agree on a lot of points like "The presence of the pay system incentivzes devs to make loot boxes rarer"
>"reee it's a buyable box"
>majority of what you get is shit sprays
>been playing passively since day 1 and got a nice handful of legendaries
>can't tell who's the whale in game because everyone's got decent skins but mine's almost the best
I praise a decent game that leeches on retards, i keep getting updates and short movies for free while retards go broke because they have no self control and they don't get an epean boost since literally everyone's got decent shit.
Are the people complaining the same people who have no self control and want blizzard to not sell them shit because they know they won't say no?
>>340763425
>>340762995
>being this brainwashed
i guess StarCraft 2 was literally abandoned after release with no content updates because of no microtransactions. same for diablo and older blizzard games
>>340763282
Yes? Because I enjoy playing the game. I know, astonishing and new to someone as new to /v/ as you, but there are people here who do, in fact, enjoy playing video games.
>>340763517
Because people care about cosmetics. And if Activision intentionally locked them behind a chance gate knowing people would shell out another $50 for them, then that means there must be a good sum of people who actually care for it. You know business 101
>>340763559
Fucking love this image, but it's kinda irrelevant nowadays.
>>340763608
>someone cares about it
>therefore I must argue about it to death
The simple fact is /v/ is just a vocal minority full of poor, young children and teans. I'm a rather wealthy 19-year-old gamer, and I love microtransactions. They aren't forced and they only give you a way to save time, which I need to stay wealthy. I spent $400 on Loot Boxes and I will have a lot of fun using skins, while the rest of you poorfags will endlessly bitch and shitpost on /v/ instead of playing video games. Don't be mad just because you can't afford it.
>>340762860
>it's the publisher's fault I have no self-control.
>I wish someone could make all my decisions for me.
Goddamn you're pathetic.
Don't you just love jews?
>>340763771
No one is arguing jack shit. The fact people are buying them already shows how little of an argument you could make anyway. Cosmetics sell. Been this way forever since the dawn of fucking time.
>>340761914
Reality
>games will continue to have grinding for weapons or loot because dangling that carrot is an easy way to keep people playing without having to pump out new content all the time
>All of these poorfags that actually have to bullshit themselves into believing Overwatch isn't going to be good.
Yeah, sure, you guys are totally not missing out on anything.
>$40
>raping wallet
Everyone bitching about loot box prices pretty much wished they have a job.
>>340762885
>I can't work in oil and gas and post on 4chan
Any other company they released this game would've had to release it for free. Blizzard gets a free check for $250 million because Blizzdrones.I fell for the meme and bought it too ;_;
People seem to be complaining a lot about the loot boxes. If they didn't add something like this, Overwatch wouldn't have continued updates. Creating content is expensive. When a game releases microtransactions, it needs money to pay for the development. The content they will add is DLC. They need money to pay for it. They are not doing this through monthly fees, they are not doing it through paid updates, they're doing it through microtransactions. Yeah, it sucks, but it's sure as hell better than the alternative.
>>340763809
Nothing in that post elicited a cry for self control or corporate parentage. It's the exact opposite. But continue with your ad hominem.
>>340763837
>No one is arguing jack shit
>"You may think you hold the higher moral ground, but you're still just as much of a slave as anyone else playing this game."
sounds like an argument to me, faggot. a bunch of pseudo-philosophical bullshit pertaining to a fucking video game no less
>>340763158
>When do we get to the ride?
>This is the ride! Wooo
>>340763928
>he actually fucking wants Russians and Brazilians to be able to make new accounts and continue playing after they invariably get banned on their main account
>All these autists
Tell me how this is any different than keys in TF2?
>>340763774
>needs time to be wealthy
son, you don't know what wealthy means
>>340764120
This shit's purely cosmetic
>>340763928
Free hasn't been doing well lately. Look at all of those f2p mmos that turn to shit because they aren't making enough money. They gotta go p2w as a result.
>>340764120
You can sell keys on the marketplace and also earn (or buy) cosmetics you want directly without having to rely on randomized loot boxes.
Also TF2 is a free game.
>>340759847
>Bliz/Act
>not jews
Pick one.
Free market
>>340763186
Yes you can retard, there's literal currency you get from boxes and dupes
>>340764120
It's better because the crates are not locked behind a $2.50 (or, if you're into doing economy bullshit, a fucking 20 REF) paywall and can be obtained at a reasonable rate
>>340763990
>muh $15 a month subscription fee is so that they can pump out a new update every 9 months and it only contains a selfie camera
blizz is notoriously slow and wasteful
ITT:
Fact: Having a pay for lootboxes option incentivizes devs to make the free option less enjoyable so the pay option looks more convenient.
Fact: There's no actual proof how much this was a factor in the EXP requirements to level up.
People who like the system don't think it's touched the game design process at all and welcome having an additional option to get loot boxes. People who don't like the system think it has indeed touched the design process and the game is slightly diluted because of it (say levelups require 20% more exp).
Both are valid opinions.
>>340763928
>create product and sell it to people
>free check for $250 million
What are you talking about?
>>340764050
There is no level limit either. The ride never ends.
>>340763990
>People seem to be complaining a lot about the loot boxes. If they didn't add something like this, Overwatch wouldn't have continued updates.
Once upon a time, when a game was done, it was made in full. All its content existed in the game, and the next one was worked on. As time went on, business suits got smarter.
>Hey, instead of making a full game and giving it to everyone to enjoy forever, why don't we make video games into a service? We give them a base game, then we use microtransactions and expansions to keep more money coming in for the game. We can sell it for the same price and make a lot more money.
So they did this.
>Let's also tell people that we need this money for continued support. Now we can tell people that they have to buy this stuff to get more stuff, and in truth, we just get more free money. They already bought the base game. This is just profit for us at this point.
And so microtransactions were born. But it didn't stop there. Oh no. They were too clever for that.
>You know, since people are now hypnotized by thinking DLC is a good thing, why not have it so people pay us early for future DLC. We already choose what the price of DLC and its delivery will be anyway. A season pass will have people give us guaranteed money. So even if we release DLC that undervalues what they paid for, we still win. The player will never be the smarter.
And so season passes were created.
In summary, jews gonna jew.
>>340764271
The currency's random too which isn't good. There could stand to be an option to just buy currency or to give you a small amount of guaranteed currency per box.
>>340763309
>Purely cosmetic isn't an excuse because it's still a reward for the game, it's something desirable like a lot of rewards in most games
It's 'desirable' for retards like yourself. It literally affects nothing and can be get by just playing the game.
>The argument that it'll fund future content is pretty hollow considering we've already paid just to start playing.
You paid for the game as it is, you didn't pay for future content, which will be free.
>>340763554
Here's another valid point then: The fact that not everyone has them is what makes them desirable in the first place. Removing microtransactions and increasing the drop rate would inherently make them less desirable.
Jim Sterling is a fat cuck with stupid opinions.
>>340764001
Then whos getting fucked here? People who give a shit about skins, people who are patient and realize you can get several of the skins they want, or people dropping 1USD per box? Who are you defending in your original claim?
And certainly the devs/pubs aren't "surely the consumers will realize they can get this all through playtime". More like "we got idiots to pay 25USD for a mount in WoW. This means they will throw us money if we give them an option to do so."
>>340764289
It's just simple math. How much time does it take you to level up vs how much time it takes for you to earn enough money to buy an equivalent number of loot boxes
this is a very simple concept
What remains of the child in me doesn't think "they're holding off stuff from us behind this!", it thinks "if I buy this, I get even more stuff!". And when it comes to vidya, I like to rely on the child in me, because things just end up more enjoyable that way. It's entertainment, I don't see the need to get too worked up over it all.
If I think something isn't worth the time or money, I just won't spend the time or money on it.
What do you get, really, from these boxes? You're not that desperate for cosmetics with no gameplay impact, are you anon?
If they had to add "microtransactions", then a retard tax on extra cosmetic loot boxes is by far the least intrusive way to do it. Let me know if they actually do something that affects the balance or entertainment value of the game.
>>340763990
I wouldn't say that it's as much as needing to pay for updates and it's more like it's an avenue to keep artists on the payroll.
>>340764120
>TF2 is free
>You can sell them on Steam
I literally made my money back on CS:GO with the item drops.
>>340764436
>small amount of guaranteed currency per box.
confirmed for sub level 30
after you start getting all the sprays and voice lines you'll usually get 2 duplicates per box
desu the games kinda fly by if you're playing with friends
playing solo is hell though
>>340764435
>MUH JUICE
Why is it such a big deal to people? If you don't want to buy loot boxes, don't buy them. I seriously don't understand how it affects the core game. People are saying the game itself sucks because of loot boxes, that makes zero sense.
>>340763563
>comparing totally different games with different models
Do you know what false equivalence is, retard?
>>340764227
Keys existed before TF2 went F2P
>>340764279
Exactly my point, while Overwatch charges for loot boxes, the ones they give you are free to open, unlike TF2 where they bog down your inventory uselessly and you have to pay or trade to be able to open them at all
i wonder if blizzdrones defend microtransactions in WoW as well. that game requires buying the base game and a subscription as well. does that lead to great many content updates?
>>340764579
the only reason why I play this terrible game at all is to unlock skins
>>340764480
>Removing microtransactions and increasing the drop rate would inherently make them less desirable.
>less desirable
You're equating cosmetics with achievements. Achievements are about going after challenging scenarios and getting a trophy for them. You WANT the cosmetics. They let you customize your experience. Increasing drop rate doesn't hurt anyone but shills who have been brainwashed that grinding is a good thing.
>>340764480
>The fact that not everyone has them is what makes them desirable in the first place.
Now you're just being a hipster. People pick the skins they want, if availability is your motivation then that's the cuck opinion.
Personally I'd prefer to get loot boxes about 20% more frequently and I think that'd be the sweet spot between earning and grinding.
>>340764617
The artists who help create future content, a good chunk of which is going to be free anyway.
>>340764635
Keys and crate boxes existed before TF2 went F2P, and before trading was a thing.
>>340764635
>I literally made my money back on CS:GO with the item drops.
>steambux
>money
Do they also give cosmetics for achievements?
I dropped $100 on them
being a person with disposable income makes living a lot more fun. saying that to this crowd tho, lol.
>>340764837
sprays, yes
>>340764579
You're misunderstanding the original f2p argument. It's that paying for gameplay is bullshit. Cosmetic things can be done good and done poorly, it's not a free pass.
>>340764838
>SPENDING MONEY ON THINGS
B L I G H T O N T H E I N D U S T R Y
>>340764641
Go away blizzdrone.
But to humor you, this stuff affects everyone because it incentivizes devs to continue fucking everyone in the ass by holding back content and keeping all the fun stuff behind an additional paywall. Monetization is the new video game element instead of gameplay.
>>340760385
>Implying it isn't already filed with russians
>>340764984
>waaaah i'm too poor to afford my hobby
that's a great arguement. you want to try and make another one?
>>340764901
Only?
Why not link everything to them as well?
Alongside RNG level up/cash shop crates I mean, people will still buy them right?
>>340760019
useful idiot spreading cancer
>>340764984
except in this case everything that actually matters will be free
>>340765060
Good thing Im smart enough to not fall for meming. I rest my case.
>>340765161
>will be free
Is that what your activision lords tell you? Free like the skins? Cause from what Im seeing you have to pay in game currency to buy said skins. Don't look so free to me.
>>340764984
>a company wants to continue making/make more money
Holy shit call the fucking cops
>>340765164
hey thanks for joining the discussion. try to make a post where you're actually communicating next time tho.
>>340765258
>I've never played the game but that won't stop me!
>>340759847
I don't understand whats wrong with people when they have OP's opinion, would you just prefer if the ability to buy them was taken out? In that case just don't buy any and you're having the experience you wanted. Or maybe you want them all by default, with no progression system at all? Considering that the current cosmetic based progression system also has no gameplay implications all I can say to that is why do you give a shit about a progression system thats irrelevant to gameplay? Or maybe you want both the removal of any ability to buy cases, and you want a progression system but you want the cases to come more frequently to make up for it? Well i'd say what about the people who like the current amount of time required to get one case? Or what about the people who want to just buy the cases to get what they want?
This is like all the Bayonetta 2 shit that went down after it was announced that it would be a Wii-U exclusive, in the same way that Bayo 2 would not exist without Nintendo the skins would not exist without the cases, only retards are salty about Bayo 2's exclusivity, are you a retard OP?
>>340765164
Good thing I'm a well-adjusted adult with money to spend on entertainment as I see fit. backing a game and playing it through development will be exciting.
but carry on guys, let's get some "epic" images and great memes going in this thread on a board about video games!
>>340765260
Video games is an entertainment business, not a utility. Water and electricity is a utility. The internet questionably is a utility. A video game is not a utility. When the entitlement rests on the dev rather than the consumer, then you are no longer playing a video game made for the consumer. You are playing a service made for the developer. We also call those casino games or lotteries.
>>340761293
Its a predatory system designed to take advantage of people like.him. dint fully blame the victim sonce the way the thing is designed pwople lile hime stand little to no chance against it.
>>340765367
>Considering that the current cosmetic based progression system also has no gameplay implications all I can say to that is why do you give a shit about a progression system thats irrelevant to gameplay
Because content is content no matter how you try to spin it.
>>340765412
I don't understand your argument. Are you saying that it makes sense to charge more for water but not for video games?
I like this and ill let you know whats the real problem here.
Getting stronger and getting an 'unfair' advantage is the ultimate reward imo. this is competition on another lvl most of you are just scared to lose, be the last one in a race or the fifth wheel ... some might even feel that they are behind in hots already bcs they didnt get to play the alpha version you know.
This system is the essence of life, if i work more i get more cash and yea for lots of people this is a problem they whine and cry instead of getting them hands dirty ya. I got a kid to and i won't be the first but i for one don't care who's got the advantage. This isnt even rl ...how did you people get so far in live is the real question here.
There is a point where the advantage stops ,everyone who wants to go for ranking will get the 'best' stuff .For some it will just take longer and you will be owning those who still didnt get that grind going.
so what if your neightbour gets it the week the game go's live ? He is allowed to pwn noobs the first 3 months just for he's dedication..dare to lose i'd say you will win more eventually.
Great addon it gives alot of depth and options imo
Ps: Those people crying for fairplay are usually the biggest rats you come across they dispel all advantages of other people and by that they get an unfair advantage themself
>>340765258
No you literally just get them for free in the loot boxes. You only have to pay in-game currency if you want a specific one. And that applies even if you paid real money, you still can't just buy specific skins. Maybe if you spent more time playing videogames instead of complaining about them you'd know that.
>>340761828
Nothing its just at times rampant shit posting that people validate by repsonding to. Long gone are the days of self moderation and a shame they are too.
>>340760257
>Blizzard
>turning paid games in F2P
>>340765762
>>340765593
Nice copypasta, but it doesn't apply since all unlocks in OW are 100% costmetic.
>>340765547
I do not support charging more for water. If anything, I support charging less. That's a whole different situation, but the general cause behind charging for it is inherently the same. But for video games, there's a contract between the consumer and product maker where if I give my cash, I receive the game that I paid for. Unfortunately, over the years, developers have been rewriting this contract, the very contract our government tries to keep enforced so companies do not take advantage of these things (but even then it's shit cause of shit like high internet bills and car insurance). At the current moment, many games are making their products a service, and this is not being enforced as it should at least in America because of corporate lobbying. Europe has things better as they've been cracking down on digital monetization. Japan has recently started to do the same, as they are targeting schemy gambling pachinko machines right now. No video game should charge you after you have bought it. Once it passes that route, one can make a claim in court that they were not given the entire product.
>>340765367
Being cosmetic isn't a free pass, it's desirable content like anything else. What you're thinking of is the inverse, that paying for gameplay is bullshit, which it is.
The argument is that having a pay option gives them a reason to make the progression system take longer than it should be. Personally I think receiving lootboxes at about 20% less exp would be the sweet spot between earning progression and grinding.
An option should exist like you said, but I think it would have done better if it were more disconnected from the progression system, something like being allowed to buy currency directly. If you're going the "I have more money than time" route then you'll want to just grab the skins you want. Having the pay and play rewards both being the same thing is a bit too much and the randomness of "You can ONLY pay for random boxes" doesn't build much consumer trust since that's much more obviously "Keep buying until you eventually maybe get what you want"
>>340764757
I'm not arguing it's not that, just saying that it's a bit more of a "support the people who get their job done a month into the year development time". That's usually the case with a lot of cosmetic shops in games. They totally fund actual updates but like any shop, a good chunk goes back into expanding the shop itself.
>>340765060
>i eat shit because i can
That's what you sound like.
Monetization in tf2 and cs:go is fine because they're the only games i've made money playing.
>>340762096
Ay man people have truly forgotten what grindan means. It used to mean un fun play done to help set up actually fun play. Now its just used to describe anything that takes some ammount of time.
>>340765509
You're making it sound like you can't get every cosmetic in the current progression system.
>>340765954
>>i eat shit because i can
>That's what you sound like.
Strange how every fps game I've played hardly have skins.
Then when companies start adding hundreds of skins, then having them unlock through normal gameplay, then allowing the unlock process to be sped up with cash, they're now evil.
>>340760385
BR already haveplenty of ways to get the game for cheap.
Besides we have our own servers believe it or not so you are safe.for nowalso, gibe me skin plz
>>340765896
>I want it so they should just give it to me for free!
>What? It IS free? But I'd have to actually PLAY the game to get it? FUCK THAT GIVE IT NOW
The DEFINITION of entitlement. Holy shit.
>>340765615
>you get them for free from a loot box
You have a "chance" of getting them for free. It is not the same as them being free. You have a system that chooses what you get. Whether you get something or not by an RNG effect is what powers most chance games. The smallest forms of these are candy machines. Maybe I'll get the red one. Or the white one. Or the blue one. This comes more in effect for the small toy machines. Then it grows from there into what one calls a lottery. And finally actual slot machines.
You are also paying something to get these skins. You either pay with the in game currency you may eventually get. Or you pay your TIME. Most of you don't realize this, but when you're playing someone's video game, you are essentially giving them your time. This is valuable because it increases your attachment to their video game. The more you play it, the more you become comfortable with it, and the more likely you become a long time customer. This is the basic psychology behind service games.
>>340766002
You reasonably can't, it would take an unrealistic amount of grinding especially consiering the frequency of dupes.
>>340762141
tell him seeking validation from you is retarded
if he honestly thinks the crates are worth buying then why should he care about your opinion
>>340766175
Literally not the definition of entitlement
>>340766047
Man, I remember when you had to download FPS "skins" yourself, then the other players might or might not see them at all depending if they downloaded them or not.
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