It's shit. I've seen this game being shilled over the past few weeks on /v/ and decided to get it over Odin Sphere because I'm a damn poorfag but it's one of the biggest buyers remorse I've had since Awakened Fate Ultimatum.
Obviously the game just didn't match your tastes. I've been enjoying it immensely.
Ateliers are good girls, you just have shit tastes.
>>340732208
Why is Escha so smugShallie+ in english when?
To be fair, you should have been cautious after seeing everyone constantly talking about how shit the two preceding Ateliers were.
>>340732034
Aren't both the same price?
>>340732316
Escha and Logy and Shallie are the only two Atelier games I've played and I enjoyed both of them immensely, I don't know what you're talking about.
>>340732316
>Escha&Logy
>Shallie
>shit
Pick one. They are the peak of the series, gameplay wise.
I got the game today and can't even fucking play it. Did the start where you make Berg Medicine and as as soon as you leave the house I get hit by a loading screen that just never loads.
The fuck is up with that?
>>340732208
So the sole reason to play this game is just for girls? Because the gameplay sucks,characters are bland as fuck and the story is boring as hell. The only saving grace is the character design and the ost which I like a lot. I wanted to like but fucking hell man
>>340732587
>Because the gameplay sucks,characters are bland as fuck and the story is boring as hell.
You've never played the game.
>>340732316
>>340732487
>>340732510
E&L didn't pull me in but I thought Shallie was pretty good.
>>340732034
I guess it's just a game for waifufags.
>>340732487
Maybe the earlier games are vastly better and you don't even know what you're missing, then. Have you considered that?
>>340732510
Escha and Logy is really let down by the time system being so bad. It gives you vastly more time than you can possibly use so you end up needing to sleep because there's nothing else to do. Totally ruins the pacing.
I don't know if Shallie is good or not since I never played it, but popular opinion seems to be that it's bad too. I can believe that seeing how bad E&L was.
>>340732663
>>340732487
Escha and Logy was the first one I played, and I thought it was so great.Then I got destroyed by the second to last boss and got too stressed out with the day limit to continue it
I loved Shallie start to finish though.I know I'm casual scum,but I like my alchemy to be comfy
Maybe you should have done some research on the game before you bought it, ya dunce. It's a niche game for a reason
>>340732487
E&L has the absolute worst pacing issues, leaving you with nothing to do for months at a time, and the plot barely exists until you reach the end of the game. The battle system is great, though some of the balance for the superbosses is super whack, but the battle system can't save the insanely slow pacing that many people just found boring. I love E&L, and it has my favorite OST in the franchise, but the game has major issues.
Ayesha also set up Dusk really, really well, and a lot of people were disappointed with how hard the next two dropped the ball.
>>340732587
>Gameplay sucks
>Character design is good
I think you might have accidentally bought Shallie and thought it was Sophie.
Why the fuck is Logy in this one anyway?
Agree with op
Even Shallie kept me playing until the terrible ending, despite of bad characters and shitty outworld
Sophie is meruru level of pointless and forced fanservice, and even gameplay wise it's just plainly boring
There nothing good about it
>>340733212
>Meruru
>bad
Shit taste
>>340733073
New Pamella
Be real with me here /v/ I've only played Atelier Rorona on the Vita and I enjoyed it, it wasn't a masterpiece but it was a 7/10 for me.
Would I enjoy Sophie?
>>340732487
Well that's probably because you have no idea how much worse they are than the previous games, idiot.
>>340733279
Probably
>>340733263
Gameplay was good
Everything else was shit, after rorona+ there literally no reason to touch this garbage again
I thought Sophie sucked too. Way too much platforming.
Sophie is a pretty fun game.
>atelier games
>good
cannot stop lmao tbqh.
never again will i fall for the atelier meme after playing the two *best* games in the series
>>340733279
Play Totori and Meruru first.
They're both great games. Plus they're sequels to Rorona
>>340733467
>Meruru and Totori
>two best games in the series
>>340733553
Don't respond.
Just report and ignore.
>>340732034
>It's shit.
Consider suicide my man.
I thought it was great, probably not the best in the series but easily one of the highest. You have shit taste.
I just want Ayesha atmosphere and world back
How the fuck it was even possible to fuck up 2 sequels so badly?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDYmNrKwouk
>>340733272
Yeah, but at least she is hot and a ghost.
>>340732828
That poor Puni Puni... ;_;
>>340732557
There's something very wrong with your ps4/vita. Try reinstalling?
OP is a faggot, should havepiratedOdin SPhere
>>340733467
I know this is bait but, Gravity Rush Ys, nd FFX are good as fuck. Dragon's crown is objectively good as fuck.
This is a case of you only enjoying certain genres.
>>340733684
>pirating vanillaware games
What's wrong with you
>>340733553
That guy autistically posts that same shit for literally hours at a time with nothing but bait, don't reply to him
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/0wi-KYFbvt4kcLJVZOd8CA/
>>340732828
The pacing issues aren't even E&L's biggest problem, it's the shit world design where everything is just brown ruins and all locations branch out in 4 directions from your town so you're constantly going back and forth with no planning of your route for efficiency which is what made the world map in Ayesha and Totori interesting.
>>340733702
The mere fact that you think Celceta is good is reason enough for me to completely disregard your shit opinions.
Nobody in the Ys Falcom threads likes Celceta. It's by far the weakest game in the entire series. Even fucking Kefin is a better game than Celceta.
>>340733702
Don't respond.
Report and ignore.
>>340732034
Just play the Arland trilogy and then run the fuck out from the series.
>>340732034
>decided to get it over Odin Sphere because I'm a damn poorfag
But they're exactly the same price?
I'm starting to question your consistency
>>340733950
The arland games are worse than dusk though, and easily worse than sophie, just because you have ADD and dunning-kruger syndrome doesn't change it objectively
>>340732034
>past few weeks
>shilled
>the game has been out for 3 days in the US and 1 day in EU
Anon, stop shitposting
>Ayesha had the best world and characters, gameplay was OK
>E&L had the most fun combat, Escha was super cute and the OST was okay
>Shallie had some nice colors, combat was okay, alchemy was okay, no time limit though
I think the Atelier games I've enjoyed the most were the ones that I had to do a ridiculous amount of planning even on the first playthrough, stuff like that made the games really fun.
Funny thing is Ayesha was the one that I had the most issues with time, since I missed one key event (a fucking spice quest from the bar) I was only left with ONE day with a lot of planning to make it work.
E&L on the other hand made it seem like you were in a hurry but once you streamrolled all of those guild checks through you were left with ~10-15 days per month of free time and around 3 months in the end of the game.
Shallie on the other hand, even though you had no time limits you could still mess around with the difficulties and alchemy, it was overall a pretty fun game.
>>340734019
>Dusk
>good
cant say about Sophie but im not going to waste another dolar on atelier
>objectively
objectively you are full of shit
Ayesha + runs like shit and E&L has horrible pacing and nonexistent story
also Arland has better music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDV7V54ziP0
so fuck off with your objectively opinions faggot
>>340734228
Ayesha only runs like shit on the vita and you literally just took that E&L opinion from this thread, you've clearly never played either
The flaws and archaic mechanics from totori alone were immeasurable compared to dusk games
Is this game still good if you're not a waifufag?
>>340734417
Do you have a ps3?
Try Rorona Plus first.
You can get it cheap.
If you like it play more Arland games or move to Sophie
>>340734019
Arland starts off slow because Gust were trying to remember how to make good Ateliers after the shitty PS2 ones, but it gets better with every game.
Dusk came out after Meruru so they knew what they were doing but somehow got worse and worse with each sequel. How is that even possible? Were they trying to do a bad job? Were they rebelling against TK buying them out? I don't get it.
>>340734417
Yes, just take it easy, make your self comfy and enjoy the warm story and characters bundled with a fun game play.
I've always thought Atelier games as the Aria of video games.
>>340734402
>Ayesha only runs like shit on the vita
And the PS3 version is dub-only garbage.
>and you literally just took that E&L opinion from this thread
It's a common sentiment because it's fact.
>>340734417
Depends what you mean by waifufag. Are you afraid of cute girls because you're insecure and underaged? If so stay away.
The gameplay is solid in itself if you enjoy what it has to offer.
>>340732034
Do you order these shitty weeb games online? Cause if I saw someone actually buying one in person I would make fun of them hard
>>340734526
These arguments holy shit
You can't actually offer any real criticism because you don't know anything about the gamesThe ayesha dub is alright, quit being a weeaboo faggot
>>340734547
>The gameplay is solid
>>340734632
You sound like you're 14 at most
>>340734526
>And the PS3 version is dub-only garbage.
Not with CFW~
>>340734402
>>340734648
hes not me, faggot.
I would post a picture of my Vita but im not going to get up at 6:40 am so fuck you
>archaic mechanics
sorry you were to dumb to figure shit on your own. glad they casualised it for you. I bet you enjoyed the no time limit on Shallie too faggot
>>340734648
>Defending a shit dub
>Defending a shit PARTIAL dub
>>340734654
For what it is, it's better than most
It excels in crafting and task-based gameplay
Unlike OP who is indeed a faggot, I'll be honest about Sophie. Game feels wierd as fuck after playing Ayesha amd E&L. Story is so-so, but enough to get me abit interested on what's gonna happen next. Time phasing is all over the place, sometimes feels inconsistent to the story since you need to do some odd jobs and research to progress and events can trigger whenever the hell you feel like it because theres no restrictions, ect.
Battle system is a letdown, too easy and straight forward. Game literally plays by it self. Blah blah blah pretty colors blah blah blah not much in character build up amd back story. Like where the hell does the blondy come from? Why is she a fencer in the first place? What's even her status? Why is Oska such a pathetic fatass?
>>340734648
>The Ayesha dub is alright
Fuck off, undubbed Ayesha was the ONLY reason I bought my Vita and later on a CFW PS3 just to play the game undubbed, the dub is fucking garbage.
>>340734648
Like two thirds of the lines that are voiced in Japanese are silent in the dub because they were too cheap to pay enough for the VAs to do the full job. That isn't exactly an indicator of quality work, dude.
>>340734707
>having less general mechanics, shallow gearcheck bosses that rely on things like block rng, a much more shallow combat system, and next to no inventory sorting
Golly so hardcore
I'm sure suckered by how they casualized the synthesis and combat system to be more involved
So... should I play atelier undub?
>>340732034
Stop buying shit just because you see it on /v/. 5 minutes on youtube would have showed you pretty much all you need to see from the game.
>>340732208
They're seriously fucking boring, but I can see the appeal.
Why has Atelier been the target of shitposting the last couple days?
Because it's a ps4 game?
>>340735112
because sophie is shit?
>>340735112
If it had a PC version, something like croxlieur sigma, it would receive almost none
I wonder why that is
I can't wait for Firis. Going to buy Sophie one day along with Shallie +.
Stuck in EschatoLogy + right now because I find that I have too many days, no idea how to get weapon drops reliably and properties are quite confusing in this one.
>>340735112
Because neo /v/ is basically just reddit, and reddit hates weeb games
>>340735228
But it's not.
>>340735112
Most likely. The biggest shitposters are from ps4.
>>340735112
Because it's now on systems that isn't filled with circlejerking children who think every game on the vita is good, when in fact 99% of them are shovelware garbage.
>>340735112
Meruru kids and others neptunia fags who left series because of Dusk, returned together with English Sophie release
>>340735386
>>340735386
Kill yourself.
>>340735236
Just rest on the couch if you have leftover days after completing all your assignments and don't have access to lategame areas yet, it doesnt really matter what you do at that point.
When you get access to areas like dragons nest and lab of eternity you can start farming relics with endgame properties by activating relic change and using a dowsing rod with amazing relics and farming areas with relic objectives
>>340732034
I had high expectations for this series but it just keeps getting worse and worse with every installment
And what exactly is wrong with Sophie? Can you even name any problems that don't include the words "cute girls"?
>arlandbabbies
Loving every lel
>>340734968
They're all dual-audio except for Ayesha PS3.
Where do I start with this series?
>>340734769
Characters do get more development as you progress (except that blonde dyke) and the combat opens up gradually, but i do agree that it feels weird. Late game feels a lot more like a tactical rpg than a standard atelier combat, but I'd say it's good in its own way when you get into it. The worst part about it is building into it and the pacing, early game just feels automatic.
>>340735592
Meruru but even worse
>>340732034
Its like the "Tales of" series.
Its a long line of mediocre at best games kept afloat by a fanbase that's just here for the waifus.
>>340735592
It's anime and not on PC
>>340735593
You can't really use an MK picture while calling Arland players babbies. If someone who started with Arland plays MK then they do fine, just they possibly get bored by how little thought it takes and how bad alchemy is. MK players going to Arland games tend to freak out over not being able to grind an infinite amount is and complain about how stressful the game is since you can actually lose if you're incredibly terrible.
>>340735858
It does not really matter that much with the Atelier + games, but the chronological order is mostly the best way, (rorona->totori->meruru->ayesha->e&l->shallie->sophie).
>>340735858
Sophie
>>340736107
You should clarify Rorona plus
>>340736337
Can you still find plain Rorona ps3 copies in commerce?
Weren't destroyed?
>>340736502
Engrish?
I love most JRPGs but I for the life of me cannot get into Atelier. How do you guys force yourself to enjoy this? What do you actually see in it?
>>340736701
Eh?
I meant if old Rorona copies were still sold.
Physically or on PSN
>>340735918
excepts tales was once upon a time good. Ateliers always been meh
>>340733959
60 euros both faggot. At least where i live
>>340735858
>>340736841
Resource management is fun. I like games where I can plan out what I'm going to do.
>>340736107
what's the deal with the plus games? I'm about to buy some and I'm wondering what the difference is.
>>340734149
There has been threads hyping and talking about the game.Be fucking quiet faggot
>>340736841
I love the formula of chill task-based crafting, progression, and resource management gameplay
It's very unique in that some people will not like it, like disgaea or something
>>340737153
Most of them are just Vita ports with slightly more/rebalanced content. If you don't have a Vita you won't really miss much by just getting the regular versions though.
Rorona Plus is a remake of the first game and is better in lots of ways. It has a PS3 and a Vita version and they're both identical, so you can just get the one for the system you'd prefer playing it on.
>>340737153
More content, more characters.
>>340737153
Dusk Plus series have added content.
Like the jap dub for Ayesha and story contents for every title.
>>340737153
They only exist to add games to the vita library dont bother
>>340736915
Lies.
Any advice on which titles to download to start playing this serie? I don't necessarily want to play them ALL as I have the feeling they are mostly derivative.
Maybe I could use the most accessible one to start and familiarize with, and then the most deep/complex one.
>>340737623
Shut the fuck up you stupid faggot.
>>340737623
Just get Rorona Plus. It's accessible but still deep.
>>340737623
Look at the post 10 posts above yours
>>340737618
At least post Elie
>>340737153
Totori+ and Meruru+ are ports.
Rorona+ is a full remake and is much better than the original.
Ayesha+, E&L+, and Shallie+ all have notable new content.
>>340737709
That's even better. Thanks.
>>340738101
Totori and Meruru have a new area in each of them iirc
I fucking hated totori orthogalaxen so much
Do these games ever go on sale? I got Rorona Plus for full price but can't imagine doing that again for each other entry.
>play Escha and Logy as first Atelier game
>fun and deep crafting
>fun combat with crazy team combo
>play Shalies
>combat even more fun with burst and shits.
>browse /v/ and everyone here say both game are shit and Arland are wayy better
>tried Rorona plus
>crafting is just pick item and mix it, no skill use. everything rely solely on material
>combat is absolute shit.
>tried Totori plus and Meruru puls
>same shitty combat and crafting
why u guys lied to me?
is it because Arland has superior waifu?
>>340738719
Yes, almost every week
>>340738872
>crafting is just pick item and mix it, no skill use. everything rely solely on material
Pretty much this, just make weapon with rainbow effect and rape every boss
Not sure why arland kids defend this so much
>>340738881
Whenever there's a sale, I check, but have never seen one listed. Are there other sales that I just don't know about?
>>340738872
It's because of the girls, I guess. The games became really popular here when Totori was released. She was posted everywhere. She revived the series.
>>340738719
The Arland bundle went to $40 two times already during a flash sale.
>>340738719
There was a couple of sales, the problem is that the plus trilogy went on sale for $59. The publisher is one of the biggest problems with Japanese gaming.
>>340738872
arland games have a fun plot and funny character and a pacing that's bearable
in E&L everyone is boring as fuck and there are huge stretch where you have the fuck nothing to do
>>340732034
can i get some honest opinion about this game? it has been 3 days out and i still haven't heard anything about it that wasn't shitty bait
>>340739092
>>340739097
Shit. Oh well.
>>340738872
Losing the crafting minigame isn't really a big deal since it gets old really fast anyway, and alchemy is way more complex in return.
The only difference in combat is that you can't switch people in and out, and there was barely any strategy there anyway.
Everything else is better. The game is better.
>>340738872
People played arland first and think higher of it out of nostalgia
It's like the people who think das1 is a masterpiece
>>340739078
>bought ps3 for rorona
>all this neptunia fans who came into series with totori and meruru
;_;
>>340739145
>Meruru
>good characters
>good pacing
You fucking do nothing for months because of timegates and every character except totori was garbage in this game
No different from AL,Shallie,Sophie at all
>>340739209
No offense, but have you watched any YouTube gameplay videoes? The game is not worth $59.99.
Also a lot of the trolling is from customers that bought into the hype of games with very little to do in the way of content, so I understand their frustration.
>>340739353
Kill yourself
>>340739078
Well to be fair Totori is extremely cute
>tfw E&L+ will never be on salein Europpa
>>340739425
In a thread of trolls, you think you are helping?
>>340739454
You know nothing about atelier
Fuck off and hang yourself
>>340733467
>buyers remorse
>Dragon's Crown
>Muramasa
>Miku
>Meruru
>Totori
>TxK
>Soul Sacrifice
Just kill yourself anon. You hate all video games.
>>340739447
It will be (sad) interesting to see how Europe's late summer sale will work this year. American PSN only offer discounts on previous PS Plus titles and physical retail prices on most of their games during this year's Golden Week sale.
>>340739353
The game is objectively fine and has genuine effort put into it by gust and their small staff (not KT and their pathetic dub though)
kys
>>340739425
>>340739502
Listen, faggots. How about actually listing reasons why the Atelier games are worth playing and paying full price for instead? It hasn't been a true JRPG since the PS2 days.
>>340732316
Shallie was great, you FUCKWIT
>>340739686
How about you fuck off and kill yourself?
>>340732034
Atelier is only good if you like the alchemy system and some of the new features they add with every iteration. Everything else is incredibly low budget. People shill the game because it has cute girls.
You should've known better. But you fell for the "Hurr durr Odin Sphere is a $60 "remaster" meme.
>>340739337
Meruru timegates aren't that bad. Nowhere near as awful as E&L where you have to constantly start and stop since you finish every assignment with months left.
I enjoyed seeing Esty/Gio/Astrid again. Also watching Sterk's life fall apart was good too.
>>340739209
Uninteresting characters. Terrible combat. Somewhat interesting crafting, but no incentive to make good items due to terrible combat. If you need to ask, don't buy it.
>>340739735
>people liking and discussing a series is shilling
You're fucking retarded
>>340739621
GUST needs to take a step back and try making a game with continued stories from both Arland and Dusk. Continuing to split their audience is just silly.
>>340739686
>it hasn't been a generic JRPG since the PS2 days
What a shame
>>340739745
>Esty/Gio/Astrid again
I didn't
All characters were changed compared to their rorona versions, and not because of "character development", but because they were made into simplistic, fanservice versions of themselves
Mimi from totori was hit hardest by it
>>340735112
No because Atelier games are shit. This is coming from someone who considered buying this game. I'm gonna buy Grand Kingdom instead. Everything from the art assets to the gameplay is already there.
Atelier Sophie looks like it needed more time in the oven and a much bigger budget.
>>340740190
>i know nothing about it
>it's shit
Hang yourself
>>340739850
When somebody tells you a game is good and you should get it for $60, and its NOT good that's shilling.
>>340733467
>>340733869
Don't reply to this faggot, check his images on the archive
Report and ignore avatar shitposters
>>340740324
Fuck off and kill yourself
>>340740190
Having actually played it, the game is pretty well developed all in all for the budget it had as a niche game. Compared to compile heart scam games, it has significantly more assets and effort put into it.
>b-but I watched a youtube video
>>340740481
Hey anon, its not for me. But I'm glad you like it. Don't get all asshurt because I don't find the game interesting.
K
>>340732487
>Escha and Logy
>good
I honestly one hit most enemies in almost every chapter.It was a fucking joke.If not one turn beat everything.Finished most quest from the last chapter so i didn't have much to do. Didn't even play shallie.
>>340740636
Then don't voice your opinion on shit you don't know about.
>>340740636
You've been arguing for two hours about how a game you saw a youtube video of is bad because you said so, I just offered my opinion
There is no need to project your frustration
>>340738872
>praising burst
>not realizing it makes non-burst moments in combat a huge annoyance where attacking is useless if it doesn't build burst.
>>340740703
>>340740762
Don't tell me what to do. I saw the games assets, the barren wasteland of a town, the dull fucking NPC's that have one line they repeat whenever you go and talk to them. And the reused assets.
I'm not paying $60 for that.
>>340740652
It's clearly balanced for the most casual players to breeze through the story. The optional generic bosses kept it interesting for me until they just stopped getting tougher long before the endgame.
>>340741245
No one give a shit
Go fuck yourself
>>340741245
Even souls games have NPCs that repeat the same line whenever you talk to them when there's nothing there at the moment, I don't understand how that's a valid argument.
The assets are unique to the game and reused within itself about as much as necessary
>>340732304
Photoshop
