Imagine a 3D action game, where instead of health points and whittling away at your opponent's health and vice versa, every enemy and yourself died in one or two hits, either by bullet or by sword slash or whatever, and sword fights or gun fights were amazing spectacles of parries, blocks, and dodges.
Things like Souls, DMC, Ninja Gaiden, or Various TPSs/Hack n Slashs
I'd love a game like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB8tiSMCwRE
>>340730287
It would be a boring game of "keep you shield up and strafe around enemies" or "be an archer and win the game from a distance". There's a reason bow and arrow are the deadliest weapon for thousands of years.
>>340730287
So you mean Bushido Blade?
Sounds gay.
XIV sucks shit and isn't successful.
sounds like for honor
>>340730287
>he didn't play the NiOh demo
>>340730287
WOW! You must be the first person to ever think of this!
>>340731104
XIV is more successful than your favorite video game
>>340731237
>it's successful because Yoshi "the big fat liar" P. says so
kek
>>340731229
Ok, show me some examples where you or the boss die in one hit and a match between the two of you comes down to who can overcome each other's blocks and parries.
>>340731271
it's Square Enix's top earning game according to their financial quarter reports.
>>340730287
so, Mount n Blade.
There's tons of games like that or trying to be
>>340730287
I was thinking that it would eliminate combos but then I thought
>use a launcher
>opponent blocks it
>the impact causes him to lift up
>can continue ramping up that combo
>opponent has to time his blocks instead of just standing there taking the hits
It could work wonders if done correctly.
I think the game just needed to be balanced around combo starters being hard as fuck to land. Or have some kind of meter/resource which was needed to use it.
>>340731372
Actually it isn't. Their MMO department - which was credited the success - consists of more than one game. And between DQX, XI and XIV they have a combined total of less than 1 million subs.
It's dead, Jim.
>>340731351
I never said it's been made, I'm saying one of the million ideas tons of studios thought of but scrapped because it couldn't work ou.
>>340731471
that was back in 2014, it's 2016 now.
XIV is worldwide and pulling subs from all other dead MMOs, DQX is Japan exclusive, and XI is dead now
>>340731351
Titan souls
>>340731495
Well I also never said I was the first to think of it either
>>340730287
>where instead of health points and whittling away at your opponent's health and vice versa, every enemy and yourself died in one or two hits, either by bullet or by sword slash or whatever,
We have the game already, it's call of duty.
>>340731517
Except it isn't. Remain delusional.
>>340731557
Point is there's a reason why almost every game has health bars. There's no sense of progress if your opponent blocks everything but the one fatal hit, and if you introduce stuff like armor you have to hack off first, you're back at hitpoints in a different form.
That would require one, good VR, and two, actual combat skills, which hardly anyone who plays vidya has. Especially if it's not a rapier duel but some crazy fightan with magic and shit. Literally nobody has those.
So, to make it actually possible, you'd need fully immersive VR which could inject those skills right into your brain and improve your physical capabilities. Wait until we get something like this, then come again.
>>340731704
>VR
Why the fuck would you need that?
Perhaps this would be better as a multiplayer game, as developing an AI who almost perfectly blocks every thing but also has to be programmed to slip up every once in a while might be too difficult or just a retarded idea in general and rely too much on RNG.
>>340731796
Because with normal controls, it would either be terrible and unsatisfying or not work at all.
Just take DMC4 on Hell or Hell. Here, the thing. You want every game to be like this by default?
>>340731683
Well that's why I felt like I should open this to discussion so that we could come up with ideas to make this sort of thing work instead of just dismissing the idea altogether
Oh boy, it's time for anti-FFXIV autists to start shilling that people shouldn't play it by spreading lies thread
>>340730287
>gets his arm sliced
>"I needed that cut to awaken me"
fuckin kek. old shows are always entertaining
>>340731704
>VR
>>340731891
Of course the game would have to be designed like that from the ground up. I can't think of a single existing game that would great with this kind of system.
>>340731605
except you're the one being delusional. feel free to show proof that XIV is failing
>>340731969
>lies
What lies? I'm not even telling people not to play it. All I said was that it sucks shit and isn't successful. I know the truth hurt sometimes.
>>340732015
>less than 1 million subs divided by three games
Now show me evidence of its huge subscriber base.
Pro Tip: There isn't any.
>>340730287
The meta game would just be dodging until someone gets hit
>>340732102http://wccftech.com/final-fantasy-xiv-has-almost-5-million-subscribers/
http://m.gamerevolution.com/news/final-fantasy-xiv-has-had-5-million-subscribers-is-second-most-popular-subscriptionbased-mmo-33713
Latest lodestone census puts the game at 700k active characters above level 20
>>340732102
>What lies?
>it sucks shit and isn't successful
but this one especially
>isn't successful
You can think it's shit all you want, but to call it unsuccessful is a lie.
>>340732125
Which would mean the dodging mechanics just needed to be in more depth. Different dodges with different properties and with different risk management.
>>340732269
Wow, two guys who don't know the difference between "subscribers" and "accounts created."
>>340732346
>to call it unsuccessful is a lie
There isn't any evidence to the contrary.
>>340732269
Also the census is bullshit because the guy conducting it doesn't give any details about what he does and doesn't filter. It's not an accurate way of determining concurrent subscribers.
>>340732407
>shows proof that game is successful
>b-but it doesn't count! trust me the devs don't know what they are talking about!
>>340732494
There's a difference between "Payed Subscribers" and "Concurrent Subscribers." It's the same difference between "Accounts created" and "Concurrent subscribers."
Why are XIV players the only ones that don't seem to understand something as simple as this?
>>340732407
>There isn't any evidence to the contrary.
There's actually plenty, but on the other hand, there isn't any evidence to support your claim that it's dead and unsuccessful.
>>340732463
The results are parsed directly from the public lodestone database. It's like the armory system from WoW. You can access it and check it if you want to.
Not quite 3D action but
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p-B4AwgArwA
>>340732576
What the fuck are you talking about you dumb as nigger
Go play the game yourself and see that there's a ton of active and concurrent players, servers are still backed up with queues since patch 3.3 dropped.
>>340732580
>There's actually plenty
So post it. It's on you to prove your game is a success because:
We know it didn't top any sales charts
We know they're afraid to give us accurate subscriber numbers
We know they hired 350+ chinks around the clock to make this abomination (chinks cost money)
We know it cost millions to make the CGI advertisements.
We know it damaged the Final Fantasy franchise measurably.
We know that Sony sold all of its stock it previously had in Square the moment ARR bombed.
>>340732693
>play shitty WoW clone #2939532
No.
>>340731104
butthurt WoWfag or FFXIfag detected
>>340732603
And the guy that parses it doesn't give enough details as to what he's looking for to determine concurrent subscribers.
>>340732817
Shit-licking XIV shill detected.
>>340730287
>Mount and blade series
>Chivalry
Really original idea
>>340732850
u mad?
>>340732759
>We know it damaged the Final Fantasy franchise measurably.
Why are you saying things that are only true for when the originaL FFXIV came out?
Why do you always come to threads to shit them up and anti-shill FFXIV?
Jesus Christ, the OP isn't even about FFXIV and people can't fucking restrain from shitposting. You guys have some severe mental problems if nothing more than a pic from the game triggers you into a shitposting fit.
Seriously, seek help.
>>340732850
>comes into threads to shill people not to play FFXIV
>gets mad when people defend it and calls them shills instead
Pathetic Why do you do this all the time?
>>340733039
>only true for when the original
Except it isn't. The time and effort put into ARR took resources away from other titles Squeenix was working on. It's why XV has been in development for 10 years.
>>340733110
Why do you shill shitty games?
>>340730287
What a terrible fight scene to choose as an example.
Now something like this, however... Would make a fucking excellent fighting system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEyQ0AjggLk
>>340733107
this triggers /v/
>>340733156
>Except it isn't. The time and effort put into ARR took resources away from other titles Squeenix was working on. It's why XV has been in development for 10 years.
I guess you missed the part where FFXIV money is literally funding things like FFXV and the FF-7 Remake along with all the other spin-offs they're doing.
>>340733225
so you got what you expected?
>>340733225
>expected XI-2 from XIV
First retarded mistake
>gets bored and tired playing a game that's significantly faster than FFXI
doesn't even make sense
>>340733174
When is that from?
I'm still playing but 75% the people I knew have quit gradually since christmas.
>>340733107
Nice on-topic post.
>>340733174
>600k
Believable but still a bomb.
>>340733246
>XIV money
XIV money - what little there is of it - is going into all of the damage XIV caused in the first place, including ARR's lackluster subscriber base and retention rate. After XIV / ARR became the sole reason why Sony dropped its stock in Square, Square has had to shill itself to Sony for console exclusive bucks.
>>340733312
So you're saying that he shouldn't have expected a good game, and that faster always = better. Got it.
Fucking moron.
>>340730287
>DMC
so heaven or hell
>>340731081
my friend beat the challenge mode on that when we were kids, I'm still baffled as to how
>>340732407
>There isn't any evidence to the contrary.
Final Fantasy XIV, as of 2.0
>Running for almost 3 straight years.
>Steadily increasing sub numbers.
>Still pushes out content, and at a rate much faster than most MMOs. Including WoW, the decrepit king under the mountain.
>Is still popular enough that they haven't made it free-to-play yet, something most other MMO's do by the end of their first year now, give or take a month or two in either direction.
>Has three yearly fan festivals.
>Is getting it's own E3 panel this year.
>Still has active servers.
It's successful enough.
More successful than the majority of other shitty MMO's that get pushed out to make a quick buck.
>>340733429
>600k paying $15 a month not including cash shop and expansion sales
>still a bomb
>>340733429
>ARR's lackluster subscriber base and retention rate. After XIV / ARR became the sole reason why Sony dropped its stock in Square, Square has had to shill itself to Sony for console exclusive bucks.
You are trying really hard to force this, and to force something you really don't have the slightest clue about yourself no less.
>So you're saying that he shouldn't have expected a good game, and that faster always = better. Got it.
>implying XI was entirely a good game
>implying that it wasn't about faster = better, but that faster is more attention retaining than the slowest shit ever.
>Fucking moron
Says the autist who religiously anti-shills FFXIV as if he's paid to do it
>>340733665
>>600k paying $15 a month not including cash shop and expansion sales
Don't forget those extra retainer fees.
Pretty much every crafter in the game is paying at least 4 extra a month.
>>340733608
>Running for almost 3 straight years.
True. Doesn't really prove much.
>Steadily increasing sub numbers.
No evidence of this.
>Still pushes out content
Doesn't prove anything. especially since most of that content is shit by ARR player's own admission. If you don't believe me just visit an XIV thread and listen to the whining.
>they haven't made it free-to-play
Doesn't prove anything.
>Has three yearly fan festivals.
Doesn't prove anything. These often double as advertisements for other (better) games.
>Is getting it's own E3 panel this year.
Doesn't prove anything.
>Still has active servers.
So does Vanilla WoW and GE and XI and Runescape and AO etc. etc. etc.
>>340733781
XI is the magnum opus of Final Fantasy. No other FF comes close.
>>340733892
>Pretty much every crafter in the game is paying at least 4 extra a month.
>micro-transactions
Literally profiting off stupidity.
>>340734005
YOu're literally insane, completely in denial that you'll spin anything positive into a negative if you don't just outright ignore or dismiss it, and you're delusional enough that you think FFXI is the best Final Fantasy of all time.
>>340734223
I'm just simply pointing out that those "positives" don't count as evidence towards its success. The only thing I'm concerned with is its subscriber numbers - which square will not give - and its sales numbers - which are poor.
>>340730287
GAME OVERLost to the Zone
>>340730287
what is skyrim with deadly combat mod.
it affects the type of armor and weapon you and the enemy use. for example, if you are wearing full heavy armor and use a sword and the enemy is in leather armor and use a sword, you are gonna fuck him up in 1 max 2 slashes while he does vry little dmg to you.
>>340734342
>The only thing I'm concerned with is its subscriber numbers
And what, pray tell, would you consider a successful subscription number?
>>340734005
>XI is the magnum opus of Final Fantasy
LOL
IT
WAS
LITERALLY
EVERQUEST
FOR
WEEBS
AND
NEETS
>>340734506
I think 500k could be considered a very mild success.
>>340734506
Anon, just fucking ignore him. It's obvious he's a butthurt FFXI who feels nothing but disdain towards the game that replaced his shitty grinding simulator he invested so much time in. He has nothing to do but shitpost to give his life meaning now.
>>340734605
>>340734618
>I think 500k could be considered a very mild success.
Really?
Because if you're the same Anon that we've been calling a retard this entire time...Then why did you say 600k, 100k more than what you consider a mild success, is a bomb in this post >>340733429 ?
>>340734663
I wonder if this is how Star Wars Galaxies and City of Heroes players acted when their games were pushed aside for SWTOR and Champion respectively.
>>340734605
>AV
Literally cherry-picked every time. I won't deny that it had a bit in common with EQ. There's a difference between cloning EQ (a good game) and cloning WoW (not a good game) though.
>>340734663
>Blah blah blah ad hominem
>>340734738
I said it's believable. That's the same as "it's fact." Square hasn't released any subscriber numbers. The only thing we know is that their three MMOs have less than a million subs combined, and its more likely that DQX has more subs than XIV.
>>340734801
You don't remember how that went down? People watched ToRtanic sink while Star Wars die hards clung to it, just like how XIV faggots are still clinging to their shitty WoW clone.
>>340734882
>That's the same as "it's fact."
Not the same*
>>340734882
>I said it's believable. That's the same as "it's fact." Square hasn't released any subscriber numbers. The only thing we know is that their three MMOs have less than a million subs combined, and its more likely that DQX has more subs than XIV.
In one post you said that 600k is believable, but still a bomb.
In another post, you said that 500k would be a mild success.
600,000 = Failure
500,000 = Success
Everyone thought you to be a troll. But you're not a troll at all. Just mentally retarded.
>>340735082
It doesn't have 500k subs so who cares?
>>340730287
It has been my dream for a while to make a game with this kind of action but 1 or 2 hits is not enough. Regardless, the journey towards the completion of this goal is marred by language and tech limitations that i'm working to overcome.
>>340733276
I don't get it.
>>340735194
lodestone census proves otherwise
>>340731104
lol
>>340730287
Way of the Samurai has 1-hit modeit's shit
>>340739369
see
>>340732850
>inaccurate data proves otherwise
>>340730287
This is what the Nioh demo was. Unfortunately the final game will be massively casualised garbage if the survey results are anything to go by.
