>The NCR has all of the problems of the ancient Roman Republic - extreme bureaucracy, corruption, extensive senatorial infighting.
>Just as with the ancient Republic, it is natural that a military force should conquer and transform the NCR into a military dictatorship.
>Thesis and antithesis. The Colorado River is my Rubicon. The NCR council will be {beat} eradicated, but the new synthesis will change the Legion as well...
>...from a basically nomadic army to aNew Vegas thread.Do not respond to bait.
Fallout 4 is the best Fallout game
>>340716917
>Not Fallout 5
Caesar had a very surface-level understanding of Hegel. Absolute pleb.
Reminder
POST IT NOW NIGGERS
>BEST QUEST
>BEST WEAPON
>BEST COMPANION
Killian is still best husbando. Try to prove me wrong, faggots.
What is the best gun and why is it knock knock?
>>340716869
>there are retards who would rather side with a bunch of edgy, machete-wielding savages then a functioning democratic republic
ok, someone respond to my bullet points (for why New Vegas is worse than Fallout 3)
let's have an actual fucking argument this time, no shit-flinging
>New Vegas has 0 atmosphere
>mediocre gunplay (modifications dumb down the combat)
>an awful setting
>terrible music
>>340716917
Nah fallout shelter is better
>>340716869
>Yfw being pordoned after bombing arizona.
what mods should I look for if I want to make my Courier a slut with a huge butt? I did some independent research but a lot of those mods seem to have vanished from the internet
>>340717056
I can't hear you over my SPURS
>>340717056
>notthisshitagain.jpg
>>340716980
Not the reboot known only as FALLOUT
What's the best order to play the DLCs and at what point of main quests should I do it for maximum immersion?
>>340716980
>Not playing Fallout Seattle and pretending to be a beatnik smacking down the man with your Chinese comrades
>>340717006
Well, most of Hegels works are probably lost to time/nuclear fire.
>>340717013
>ARIZONA KILLER
>PACIENCIA/LUCKY/CHANCE'S KNIFE
>CASS
>>340717113
>>340717127
present an argument, I know we can find objective truth eventually
>>340717013
>BEST COMPANION
Better yet, who is the best non-companion NPC?
>>340717113
>>340717127
Literally stop responding. He's going to reply to each of your posts and he's going to get more replies.
>>340717078
Why is this spess mahreen so smug?
>>340717056
Jesus you derailed the last thread to shit
Stop shitposting faggot
All authoritarians can gtfo my Mojave
YOU WA SHOCK
>>340717013
>QUEST
beyond the beef
>WEAPON
Scoped hunting rifle
>COMPANION
Gannon
>>340716869
He is right, and also displays an unusually indepth knowledge and understanding of Roman history and structure. Surely most of that information would be lost in the bombings.
>>340717051
>functioning
lol
>>340717065
I will say only that, having played through the DLCs recently, I think you should start at like level 15 and go through them all in release order. You could probably even start sooner than that. Just don't make the mistake I did, going into Lonesome Road with a level 45 character killing everything in one shot from the Holorifle.
>>340717056
>an awful setting
Much better than fallout 3
>terrible music
Much MUCH better than fallout 3
>mediocre gunplay
Absolutely the same as fallout 3 + iron sights
>(modifications dumb down the combat)
What
>New Vegas has 0 atmosphere
Well guess how I know you're a retarded normie?
>>340717149
Furst Honest Hearts.
Second Old world Blues
Third Lonesome road
And finally Dead money to get an orderly immersive experience.
>>340717149
If it's your first time going through them, just do it in release order. The game recommends you start DM at level 20.
>>340717056
Honestly I felt NV had worse atmosphere for a while. I don't really know why, I guess 3 resembled an actual post apocalyptic setting a whole lot better than NV (because Fallout isn't supposed to be post apocalyptic) and the Capital Wasteland seemed to be more filled than the Mojave.
Both had great music though. Maybe I just think that because listening to the same songs over and over again on console made me go crazy.
>>340717216
see
>>340717187
I believe I can prove New Vegas is objectively better, present an argument or fuck off
>>340717149
Honest hearts, old world blues, dead money, lonesome road.
Maybe move old world blues and dead money around.
Dead money has a weird difficulty, and the general recommendation is to be a bit overleveled for it.
>>340717206
Because he got away with bombing all of legion and NCR territory and Ceasar forgives him after destroying his rome.
>>340717163
>Well, most of Hegels works are probably lost to time/nuclear fire.
The problem is that his reading of Hegel can't be found in Hegel at all. It's as if Caesar found a copy of Karl Popper, saw his strawman of Hegel and thought "Wow, this is so convincing!", like Caesar was purposefully being an edgy faggot.
>>340717051
>NCR
>Functioning
>>340717262
You're the worst kind of person
>>340717264
Also what the fuck is this order? Yeah okay lets finish with Dead Money even though it foreshadows Lonesome Road.
>>340717187
here's an argument:
go fuck yourself
>>340717262
I completely agree
> Horses are extinct in Fallout
Por que?
>>340717065
I always went with Honest Hearts first, it's kinda easy. Then Dead Money, then Old World blues, then Lonesome Road.
Play Honest Hearts after dealing with the Boomers, play Dead Money after dealing with the Brotherhood, play Old World Blues after doing Khans/etc. and do Lonesome Road before Hoover Dam.
>>340717247
he explains how he learned about it while growing up in the followers of the apocalypse
>>340717056
Even though the thread not to respond to bait
>Zero atmosphere
I got the atmosphere of a western cowboy on a lone trail.
>mediocre gunplay
It is like 3 but with modificationsand funner weapons. Wut.
>an awful setting
How is a desert an awful setting? Metros are an awful setting.
>terrible music
>Hating on Johnny Guitar andI GOT THE SPURS THAT GO JINGLE JANLGE
Now for why I like New Vegas more:
>Better story
>Better characters
>Far, far, far more choices
>Interesting tibits of lore
>Actually faithful to original games
>>340716869
Meanwhile in fallout 4
>Far harbor
>Muh synth story carried on from the main quest
>Want new? No, ghouls
>Want new? No, milurk
>Want new? fuck you
>Radiation ghoul zombie milurk fish theme
>Fucking lobster crate as a helmet start printing money right now
>Still no sea life in a sea themed dlc just fucking kill me already
>>340717051
>functioning democratic republic
lmao if the NCR doesn't engage in mass expansion or a complete change in infrastructure, both impossible because of how impotent the government works, the NCR will collapse from famine
Is Old World Blues worth finishing if I didn't like the first hour or two of it?
>>340717149
I planned this shit out a while back, nigga. Do HH after you deal with Benny, but before you side with any faction or even entertain them much. You can RP it as "wanting to take a break from it all." Get back, and pick a side. Then, you'll want to do OWB when the game sends you back to that side of the map (which it will if you're doing Veronica's or Cass' quests). When you get back, work your way up to Arizona Killer/whatever the gay alternative is. If you kill/fail to save Kimball, it serves as a perfect excuse to leave the Mojave and visit the Sierra Madre. Get back, resolve everything, then head off for one last confrontation in the Divide.
>>340717350
Alright switch four and three if you want a proper finish. No need to have an autistic sperg out.
>>340717382
>>340717408
explain why 3 is the better game without petty ad hominem attacks
>>340717056
Music is great.(it has memorable tracks on the radio)
Gunplay is the same if not better than fallout 3's
>vegas
>an awful setting
Because changing coasts was so much better,right?
It's closer to the originals,and still has an identity of it's own.
Unlike D.C which was just a rehash of the originals in a shallow manner.
>>340717390
in the graphic novel preceding nv, there's ncr guys on horses in his flashback to bitter springs
though that might be due to being strung out on tons of drugs
>>340717457
suck my dick
>replying to bait
pls
>>340717264
Dead money last makes a lot of sense because of how much truly imbalanced shit it gives to a player.
You want literally INFINITE .308 ammo, stimpacks, weapon repair kits and other goodies? Lol okay here they are.
You want a weapon of mass destruction that has absolutely fucking ridiculous damage per each shot, that's basically impossible to miss with because of the size of the projectile, that uses MFC which is the most common type of energy ammo in the game and that's one of coolest looking weapons in the game? Here it is bruh!!
>>340717338
Functions about the same as modern society does.
>>340717425
What didn't you like about it? It's my favorite, and I'd argue it is most people's favorite. Though you have a few Dead Money fanatics.
>>340717457
When did I use an ad homenim you bastard?
>second reply
>REMINDER
REMINDER
>REMINDER
REMINDER
OP here, as said in the OP, do not respond to posts talking about 3 or 4 or any other bait.
>>340717390
>>340717463
the original Fallout at least alluded to Washington DC. New Vegas wasn't mentioned at all, Obsidian pulled the setting out of their asses
Fallout 3's setting has more steam behind it
>>340717502
>letting go
Nah, thanks to mods I can keep all my gold and bankrupt the entire Mojave.
>All these Fallout 4 fanboys ITT latching onto the NV bandwagon
Loving every laugh
>>340717425
Might as well finish it, you can proper rush it if you're not feeling it.
>>340717578
forget about him, it's just bait
>>340717618
Are you retarded bruh?
Who keeps making threads about this shit game?
>>340717065
levels don't matter because New Vegas is easy, but most people recommend starting at level 15. Just make sure you have the right stats or whatever.
Dead Money before meeting Benny.
Honest Hearts after starting Act 2.
Old World Blues in the middle of Act 2.
Lonesome Road right before the Battle for Hoover Damn.
You have to choose. Fallout new vegas with fallout 4's graphics or fallout 4 with fallout new vegas gameplay designs?
>>340717390
Horses are the one retcon I wouldn't mind. It's not like it would be hard to do for Bethesda, seeing as they have them in TES.
>>340717728
People who enjoy video games.
>>340717728
Everyone because it keeps being discussed a lot more than fallout 4 even though it's 6 years old.
>>340717618
>New Vegas was first mentioned as Las Vegas by Tycho in Fallout,
>>340717750
New vegas with fallout 4 graphics and gameplay anyday of the fucking week.
>>340717728
I did. Wanna fight faggot?
Not that guy but I actually don't understand the hate for Fallout 3.. can anyone explain it to me? I prefer it tenfold to New Vegas for a huge variety of reasons, mainly story. The consensus seems to be that New Vegas has better gameplay with a pretty mediocre story, is that true here too?
>>340717056
>>340717728
>>340717553
>You want a weapon of mass destruction that has absolutely fucking ridiculous damage per each shot, that's basically impossible to miss with because of the size of the projectile, that uses MFC which is the most common type of energy ammo in the game and that's one of coolest looking weapons in the game? Here it is bruh!!
In my current playthrough, I just noticed the Holorifle stopped taking durability damage for some reason. Now I can just use MC cells with impunity.
>>340717750
First all the way
>>340717750
Who cares? I want Fallout 4 with New Vegas's writing.
>>340717750
The first choice easily.
You never mentioned story, so I assumed they were the same as they were.
>>340717750
FO4 with NV gameplay because then it would actually be somewhat of an RPG.
The former is just an ugly game slightly uglier.
>>340717801
>>340717825
>ad hominem attacks
>arguments
pick one
>>340717814
Piper's replaced Cass for ultimate waifu.
>>340717750
I care less about the graphics and more about the animation. F4 may not have caught up with other modern games, but the animation is still smoothest to play of all the TES/Fallout games.
Just imagine the shotgun and repeater animations for New Vegas weapons?
>>340717573
It just feels really disconnected from the rest of the game in a way I don't like. The only other one I played was Honest Hearts and that feels more in line with the rest of the game. OWB feels like Far Cry Blood Dragon more than Fallout.
>>340717618
The government wasn't even in D.C by the apocalypse.
Enclave Oil Rig.Does that ring any bells?
Also,obsidian made NV from the scrapped fallout 3's design documents.
>>340717895
not here to argue, I'm here to tell you to fuck off
>>340717898
Cass was never a waifu. Cass is an old hag but a prime drinking buddy.
>>340717013
>GHOST TOWN GUNFIGHT
>BRUSH GUN
>CASS
>>340717819
The story is dumb, but not as dumb as Fallout 3. The factions are better, the side quests are better, the gameplay is better.
New Vegas is a straight upgrade to Fallout 3, even if it is far from perfect.
>>340717750
If someone remade new vegas with fallout 4 graphics and gameplay i would cum so hard i would need medical attention afterwards
>>340717149
DLC order you should play in (for level and lore purposes): Honest Hearts, Old World Blues, Dead Money, Lonesome Road.
You can play them as long as you play them before the final battle of Hoover Dam and you'd do well to play them before fully committing yourself to 1 faction. You should be pretty familiar with every faction before playing the DLC though.
>>340717898
Oh please Piper a shit.
>>340717051
>there are retards who would rather be taxed by corrupt merchants and lorded over by unimpressive and unefficient bereacrats than live peacefully under a safe, military dictatorship that provides clean water, food, electricity and protection for all of its citizens and whose economy and worldview isn't predicated on finite resources
>>340717819
The hate for Fallout comes from the people who played the originals.
Not only did lore get stuffed up, but Fallout 3 was already in production by Black Isle studios (Who went on to become Obsidian). Also, the rehashing of stuff that did not need to be rehashed (Super Mutants and Enclave)
>>340717939
well then go back to neogaf if you want a hugbox
>>340717931
>The government wasn't even in D.C by the apocalypse.
yeah, source?
>>340717941
True. Cass was the kind of fugly ginger hag that I use to carry my shit and give it a bottle of whiskey as a treat.
>>340717956
Reminder that gameplay =/= gunplay and if that were the case NV would lose shit like skills and checks and DT.
>>340717895
Do you even know what "ad hominem" means?
>>340717895
I didn't do one.
Here>>340717408
Read again.
>>340717778
Fallout 5
There's a vault that preserved animals before the apocalypse.
There, I made your game, get to itObsidian
>>340718012
STOP REPLYING TO THIS GUY
>>340717971
>Muh raunchy damaged goods
>Drug riddled fixer upper DIY job for me to work on
Not only do you sound like a woman, but I hope you're into being cucked.
>>340717971
>Liking the drug addict
What a fucking nerd you are
I'll take Piper or Cure any day over that Irish man cunt.
>>340717998
>>340717946
I don't think Fallout 3's story is dumb. I always loved the sequence in the vault, New Vegas' intro is really bland
>>340717012
>being part of a spartan militaristic society
>cucked & edgy
sure thing buddy
>>340717974
>there are people who would rather be press ganged into the military and their family killed/raped so you can go do the same to the guys in the next valley until you eventually die in some meaningless gunfight trying to keep the pattern going instead of actually forming a society where people can live.
>>340717895
>telling someone that they are wrong and giving them a reason for why they are wrong is an ad hominem.
>>340717056
why are fallout 3 babbys so fucking dumb? It's hilarious
>>340717910
OWB got on my nerves with all the constant "humor", too. You start with your first conversation with the Think Tank, and that's fine, but then it keeps on going with the jokes and non-sequitur, until it consumes all the dialog. Then you walk outside and they start blasting more HILARIOUS banter over the speakers.
That said, the "twist" is pretty good so I think it's worth finishing.Dead Money is best
>>340718121
There was literally no reason for anything that happened in Fallout 3 to happen the way it did. Every single faction wanted the same thing and it didn't fucking matter who turned on the purifier since it just purified all the water in DC no matter what.
The entire battle was meaningless, your dad had no reason to sacrifice himself. YOU had no reason to sacrifice yourself since there were like 3 companions that could have done it and walked away without a scratch.
>>340718121
It's dumb on a meta kind of level.
In Fallout New Vegas, you are told you are a courier and shot in the head. This allows you to be any person you want.
In 3, you are told where you grew up, how old you are, who father and friends are and it gives you a rail roaded reason to complete the game.
At least being shot in the head would piss any one off.
>>340718121
>oh good you're awake
>how about sqeezing my carvival machine handle ;)
>ok now take this ink blot test because that's how you treat gunshot wounds
>while i'm at it i might as well give you a pip boy so you can manage your inventory
>oh and my nasty ass jumpsuit from ages ago because vault suits are Iconic
>go get em sport
>>340718054
yes, those are ad hominem attacks
>>340718061
>I got the atmosphere of a western cowboy on a lone trail.
this is generic. Fallout 3 actually invents its own style, New Vegas steals it from 1950s western cinema
>but with modifications
modifications destroy the bullet physics in New Vegas, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9THgQOdDN8
>How is a desert an awful setting
it's just not very iconic.. DC is DC. Vegas is a dull setting.
Johnny Guitar is the perfect example of why NV's radio is terrible, repetitive nonsense
>Actually faithful to original games
this doesn't matter
>>340718249
>In fallout 4 settlements have their own purifying machines
Did Bethesda retconn their own story? Did Project fucking Purity no have to happen if everybody has wells and purifying machines?
>>340718160
>>340718219
>insults rather than arguments
okay then
>>340718121
Yeah dude, I loved a bare minimum 30 minute sequence over a maximum 10 minute one every time I wanted to replay the game.
>>340718121
>New Vegas' intro is really bland
It is but I don't think it's a bad thing. You can run off and start having fun in the wasteland within like 5 minutes.
If New Vegas had an intro like Fallout 3 or Fallout 4 I'd probably just mod it out.
>>340718140
Are you actually a retard?
The Legion only captures/enslaves tribals and whores into their military and breeders. Every day citizens are left alone. Women are granted the exact same rights as men in their hometowns. They can even set up their own business.
>>340718265
Nah, it made me want to sleep with Benny and murder him in his sleep
>>340718352
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>>340718249
>There was literally no reason for anything that happened in Fallout 3 to happen the way it did. Every single faction wanted the same thing and it didn't fucking matter who turned on the purifier since it just purified all the water in DC no matter what.
Oh boy, I bet you just LOVE that image don't you? You know the one I'm talking about
Maybe if you thought for yourself for instead of parroting something you read in a 4chan screenshot you would realize the very obvious fact that CONTROL of the purifier is what the battle was about, not just activating it
>>340718352
>This doesn't matter
>A sequel not taking into the consideration what happened in the previous games doesn't matter
>A NUMBERED SEQUEL
>>340718121
>New Vegas' intro is really bland
fuck you.
the zoom out strip sequence showcasing almost EVERYTHING you need to know about the world is 10/10,
>>340718364
iirc Megaton had a purifier, it was just old as fuck and needed you to fix a few leaks for it to work well again. Aside from the dehydrated beggars and that one random encounter with the fridge, thirst wasn't even really an issue in FO3.
>>340718436
>implying I give a shit of enough to argue with you
go play some fallout 3 and pretend it has great atmosphere faggot
>>340718518
I think he means the part where you actually play the game buddy ol friend ol pal
>>340718364
Megaton had a water purifier too you know. The idea of Project Purity was to make a big enough water purifier that it would purify ALL THE WATER, just fucking scrub the radiation from all the ground water in the capital waste. So that any random jackass could take a pot of water from the river, boil that shit and drink it, and not get radiation sickness.
Which is I guess a good idea, but they used a GECK to do it, which is either pointless (in some cases the GECK has just been a suitcase full of seeds and shit) or idiotic (in cases where the GECK is a miracle machine that can turn several square miles into a perfect wonderland of fruit trees and happiness).
So if the GECK actually does what it is said to do then they didn't need the purifier because they could just use the GECK as a GECK, and if it doesn't do that then they didn't need the damn thing and WHY DID YOU SEND ME TO GET THIS?!
>>340717081
Please respond, this is VERY IMPORTANT TO ME
>>340718596
i never really considered doc mitchells house an "intro"
its more of a 3D character creation screen
>>340718265
Tried the alternative start mod for fallout 4 so I could roleplay as a child of atom member, survived the glowing sea for a while until I got caught stealing and somehow made it past all the death claws and radscorps and started doing missions
>Try to play as a violent zealot with no worldly values like currency or impracticalities
>Only covet nuclear materials and melee weapons
>Full survival playthrough so scavenge or hunt for food and water
>Start going through some missions
>Forced to go through before the war, muh son shaun, wife, how sad I am and how I want revenge and to find him
>Completely ruins my characters personality
>Don't feel like roleplaying any more.
Fuck.
>>340718518
lol yeah, the strip sure looks great
Reminder
>>340718641
shut the fuck up, we're busy replying to obvious bait
>first time playing
>Pump most of my stats on luck
>Can't use most of the weapons
You guys said Luck is the best stat, you guys lied to me.
>>340717012
>Trusting technology you did not develop yourself to save humanity despite it being what caused its destruction in the first place.
I'll stick to the NCR thanks.
>>340718684
this is pretty much proof of 3's superiority to New Vegas. jesus christ, Obsidian had no fucking clue how to play to that engine's weaknesses
buggy ass game too. fuck new vegas
>>340718667
Yeah, same. Not much story.
>you're shot
>choose your special
>tag your skills
>any traits?
>okay here's your pip-boy
>go on
All you need to know, just integrated so it's not just staring at a screen doing nothing.
>>340718738
Not our fault you have no idea how to build a character in one of the simplest RPGs ever.
>>340718352
I wanted to respond to your retardation but
>Actually faithful to original games
this doesn't matter
is so retarded that you kinda just shot your own bait in the foot.
>>340718738
Set CHA to 1, set LCK and INT to 9. Get to NV as fast as possible. Get a tremendous fortune gambling. Buy INT and LCK implants. Collect perks and weapons that increase crit chance/damage. You have broken the game.
why dont you just fo3/4 people make fo3/4 threads
>>340718684
better than anything in 3
STOP FUCKING REPLYING TO THE FALLOUT 3 FAG
THIS IS HOW THE LAST THREAD DIED
>>340718457
>>340718581
>le just ignore him bros!
learn how to argue
>>340718471
Fallout 3 is a reboot, and I'd say it actually did a better job communicating its themes (loss of innocence, death of society, coming of age) than the original games
>>340718747
>trusting the old world style of government that caused the destruction of the world in the first place
God tier future fallout locations if someone other than bethesda publishes it
>Tennessee
>Louisiana
>Texas
>Oregon
Where else?
>>340718840
Because they either fizzle out or turn to shitposting.
>>340718825
see
>>340718879
Fallout's themes were better portrayed by Bethesda than Black Isle themselves
>>340718879
We don't want to argue New Vegas vs. 3, we want to discuss New Vegas with each other.
You can make a Fallout 3 thread if you want though!
>>340717957
What game is that? That looks really nice. I just spent a few hours modding my game with MO, and I guess that's the wrong thing to do because the Type 3 Mod Author doesn't provide a fix for fucking MO.
>>340718879
>did a better job communicating its themes (loss of innocence, death of society, coming of age)
i thought you said we should argue without mentioning petty shit like "lore" and "writing"?
>>340718879
>loss of innocence, death of society, coming of age
Oh boy we're championing the exact same cliches as nuanced themes again.
>>340718879
fuck off you autistic prick, no one here wants to argue about anything
>>340718879
>learn how to argue
No one wants to have a fucking argument. We want to discuss New Vegas.
Fuck off. Go back a 3 VS New Vegas thread and get your ass handed to you.
>>340718895
>>340718747
>trusting either of them
FYI, the NCR relies on old-world tech as well.
The only one that doesn't is the superior Legion.
>>340718938
Hawaii
Gotta be some weird shit going on in Hawaii
>>340717013
one mod adds a 5mm hunting rifle its breddy gud
>>340718968
so you want a circlejerk reddit-esque hugbox? no thanks
explain your reasoning or fuck off
>>340718938
None of those locations and instead China.
>>340718938
One set by the southern border of Canada would be cool
With a lot of lore about the American invasion
>>340718129
>spartan
If a spartan was unable to make a child, they had some one else impregnate their wives. In order to make sure it was a big healthy baby, they wanted the biggest men to do it. So yeah, cucks.
>>340718938
Idaho/Utah
>tfw glorious Khan Empire
reminder: every faction other than NCR is doomed to failure due to being based on the "great man" trope
>caesar's legion: will collapse after caesar's death, House and other characters admit this, Lanius cannot hold it together
>Mr. House is one giant cult of personality and eventually will die, no matter his plans for mortality. Benny got close, the Courier can do it himself, if the Courier chooses not to then someone else will eventually
>Yes Man: falls apart when the Courier dies, if it's even a success in the first place
>>340719040
what mods that?
>>340719012
>>340719018
STOP RESPONDING TO THIS GUY'
>>340719054
No, we're free to argue if it has to do with New Vegas. I'm not here to start an argument of NV vs. 3, you can start a thread for that if you want. But I'd like you to stop derailing these guys.
>>340718938
Florida
Replace super mutants with gators. No mutations, just a lot of them.
>>340717056
>>New Vegas has 0 atmosphere
>>mediocre gunplay (modifications dumb down the combat)
>>an awful setting
>>terrible music
These aren't points. They are opinions.
/thread
Holy fucking shit he is using the exact same answers from last thread and people are still falling for his shit
How dumb one man can be to fall for the same bait twice in one day
>>340719054
no one has to answer to you
>>340719012
themes are overarching and conducive to gameplay/atmosphere, not just writing
>>340719018
those are the themes of Fallout 3, and they're far more universal than anything present in New Vegas. New Vegas is essentially a post-apocalyptic cowboy story, there isn't much to it in terms of critical analysis
>>340718436
If you want to argue, then present an argument you manchild.
New Vegas having terrible music, a bad setting, and a bad atmosphere are all OPINIONS.
>>340719054
Eat shit. I actually hate you so much.
We spent the entire last thread arguing with you, debating our points and proving you wrong while you kept attempting to negate them with "I DON'T BELIEVE YOU. IT'S WRONG" esque arguments, and now you're shitting up this thread.
Go to fucking Fallout General or go make a fucking Fallout 3 thread. Fuck.Off.
>>340719092
You don't know shit about Sparta but it was a dysfunctional state that only got worse with time
>>340719139
>Yes Man: falls apart when the Courier dies, if it's even a success in the first place
Yes Man isn't even about the Courier leading so much as it's about maintaining anarchy and independence. The Courier staying or going doesn't really matter.
Quit replying to bait
>>340719262
>mad because cuck
oi anon
>>340717149
Best order to play the DLCs is in release order. Why you'd play them in any other order is beyond me. Play them in the order the developers intended you to play them in.
>>340719092
Well you got me there, they are technically cucks then. Pragmatic.. but still cucks.
The argument to that though is there any evidence that anyone from the Legion ever did anything like that though? doubtful
>>340719187
>>340719198
>>340719248
>>340719251
YOU ARE ANSWERING HIM STOP REPLYING TO BAIT
>>340719301
>ate a whole box of donuts
jesus christ
>>340718895
I'll take individuals who know the outcome of nuclear catastrophe over AI any day.
>>340719036
Legion takes its ideals from the Roman Empire- you'd be hard pressed to find a more violent civilization to base your ideals on (Huns and Mongols, sure).
>>340719310
I bet you think all ancient Greeks were faggots too huh
>>340719327
>any evidence
It's implied Caesar can not bare an heir to his throne. Bylat.
>>340719219
>there isn't much to it in terms of critical analysis
>>340718364
>>340718631
Project Purity purified the whole river. Research on the Project happened in less than three years, and most of the scientists believed it was a waste of time.
James wanted to realize his wife's dreams, and his time in Vault 101 just made him obsess over the prospects out of all the time he spent in reflection. Even if they did remove the GECK from the purifier, what would be the point? Either soil which can be used to mass produce food from plants, or a large source of fresh water, both of which are rare as it is.
Besides, what matters more than the Wasteland having pure water is that the Enclave didn't genocide everyone by corrupting the water with FEV.
>>340719359
They weren't any more violent than other ancients especially after they finished conquering. They had a militaristic streak is all
>>340719446
>Project Purity purified the whole river.
No it didn't, it only purifies the basin.
>>340719219
>implying the hamfisted script from fallout 3 had any subtlety or nuance at all
you're a funny guy
>>340719446
>>340719369
Zeno of Citium cool man.
>>340717163
Based Slavoj
>>340719171
fuck off that's what mod
>>340719248
>>340719187
No, they are not. Art is objective in many ways. those statements are facts when viewed through the right lens
Respond to my claims (tell me why I'm "wrong") and then we can get somewhere
>>340719179
>>340719198
>>340719251
if you can't argue properly fuck off. Give me your points or leave the thread
>>340719596
yeah but what do they eat?
>>340719402
He can't have children so he's automatically a cuck? Yeah nah
>>340719628
stop replying
>>340719596
>Respond to my claims
Cyka bylat.
My babushkas kompot is better than your babushkas kompot. Objective fact.
>>340719596
STOP RESPONDING TO THIS GUY THANKS
>>340719530
I actually had a pretty emotional reaction playing Fallout 3 (especially when the father died). New Vegas did nothing for me emotionally, it's way too jokey/insincere and just mindnumbing as fuck
I'm at the "point of no return" right before the dam fight after only 20 hours
i thought this game was supposed to be like 100 hours long
Another thread derailed because idiots can't spot obvious bait even when it's right in front of them.
>>340719716
if you end up siding with yes man on your first playthrough which you shouldn't, you're gonna miss out on a lot of sidequests for factions
>>340719171
hes having fun get out reeeeeeee
>>340717413
>no sea life
What the fuck was Bethesda thinking, I wabted to fight a leviathan
>>340719716
>didn't do sidequests
>didn't explore companion quests
>complains the main story is 20 hours
O blin.
This why none of you play STALKER, too fucking stupid.
>>340719716
It can be pretty short if you just do the main quest.
You should do the side content, it'll give you a way better understanding of the factions.
>>340719505
If I had to choose between trusting the NCR or the Legion with nukes, NCR always wins..
>>340719775
Boris go home.
>>340716869
>Do not respond to bait.
Your implying as if its that simple OP, bait was never meant to be ignored. Ain't that a kick in the head huh?
>>340717906
But the animations are terrible in Fallout 4,when they don't bug out
>>340719689
tell me why I'm wrong about New Vegas and then we can have an actual discussion. Art *is* objective, read this: https://www.amazon.com/Art-Illusion-Psychology-Pictorial-Representation/dp/0691070008/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465630925&sr=1-4&keywords=art+subjective
>>340717039
Thats not This Machine
You know, I always wondered why they decided to change the design of Vulpes, of all people, so late in development, seeing as they apparently had him set as a blond up until the the ending slides, making of movie and collectors cards were finalized. Considering the fact that the team was strapped for time, it just seems like an odd thing to make the effort to change the appearance of one Legion character who most people killed the first time they met.
>>340719775
>This why none of you play STALKER, too fucking stupid.
not him. i play stalker, but what makes you say that?
>>340719716
>20 hours
Did you just run to Vegas and skip every side quest?
>>340719914
>one Legion character who most people killed the first time they met.
I think most people who kill Legion at sight at Nipton are probably really dumb, like CoD kiddie generic Michael Bay trash dumb.
Same type of people who kill Crestfallen in the Souls games.
>>340719914
>who most people killed the first time they met.
Do they? I hear a lot about people fucking Vulpes up on subsequent playthroughs but I'd assume he's not LOTTERY levels or anything.
>>340719708
That's great, friend. I had the exact opposite reaction to you.
After having grown up playing Fallout 1 and 2 I was really disappointed and unconvinced by any of the (barely there) roleplaying and story elements of the game.
>>340719890
>Art *is* objective
New Vegas start game.
You fucking die, atmosphere made boom fucking everything want you dead.
FO3? I am baby, fucking bull shit, you show me being powerless by being baby? I am dead in start of NV, fuck you.
Atmosphere?
FO3 is like fucking matrix, atmosphere only exists in your crazy head.
New Vegas you have warring factions
you have angry settles
you have vodka
you have dog
its like real life
FO3?
Fucking baby shit
You are psychologically inferior to me, you objectivity is meaningless.
>guy mentions his preference for Fallout 3
>gets attacked, insulted, no one actually argues his points
holy fuck the fanboyism in these threads
>>340719890
It doesn't matter. Listen kid you don't want to see my other side. I have a wolf inside me with a muzzle on, but the muzzle is about to come off. You broke her heart, and I will break yours. She is a nice girl, how dare you use her like this. How come people like you get to date her? Then people like me have to sit in the shadows and be the shoulders to cry on. Listen Kid, I don't have time for FUCKING games. I am a nice guy, but when you make a nice guy angry; the world shakes. Don't do it again.
... You will regret this the next FULL MOON. You mess with me you mess with the pack bud. FUCK you. Get ready.
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>>340720010
I didn't kill him either, but from what I've heard a surprising amount of people did.
>people comparing Legion to Sparta and debating all that shit
>when it's obviously Romans
REEEEE
>>340720031
>You fucking die, atmosphere made boom fucking everything want you dead.
At this point I'm not entirely convinced that you're not a bot.
>>340720028
Fallout 3 is commonly referred to as the best RPG of the 2000s, though. I can't imagine what would make those elements "barely there"
>>340720087
i havent seen this copypasta before
this is pasta right
>>340719930
In STALKER no body argue about dumb shit. Nobody pretend to be better or worse than anybody. In STALKER you just do what you do. These people have no direction in life, true STALKER wanders with purpose. Existential STALKER always on duty.
"Atmosphere" bylat poor man excuse for not knowing where to go.
FO3 linear like sonic compared to STALKER.
Like being tucked in bed by babushka
STALKER is more like babushka left you in dessert with AK47 and pack of mutant bear pigs. Fuck you, figure it out, that is Zone.
>>340720043
i'm objectively pretty attractive. 6'1'', fit, facial aesthetics, and have a large number of friends. BUT, my little dicklet is laughable. 5 inches long, and a mere 4 inches of girth. to be honest, it hasn't seemed to matter that much with girlfriends. i am enthusiastic in the sack, can muster serious stamina, and know my way around a cunt.
YET there is nothing more i love doing than going to some barslut or tinder whore's place and revealing my pathetic pissclit. i'm sure they expected the whole package with me, so the look of defeat is palpable. it is an amazing sort of bathos that plunges them into a chasm that only a mind addled by hunger for BIGCOCK can appreciate.
i then fuck them poorly for a hasty 5 minutes, achieve my climax, and make my leave, knowing i've done right in this world.
>>340720043
You're missing the context of an entire other thread derailed.unless you've been here since the last thread you inflammatory faggot
>>340720109
I started the argument accidentaly by just using the word 'spartan' I didn't mean literally based on Sparta... forgive me anon.
>>340717006
Hegel can be quite a difficult nut to crack.
>>340720010
>>340720092
I'll confess I did. Only later did I discover Nipton was basically a town of assholes and thugs.
Fucking smoothskins everywhere in this thread. It makes me sick
>>340720198
Yeah, I saw it. No one responded to his points directly.
>>340720161
Go home Ivan
>>340720121
>At this point I'm not entirely convinced that you're not a bot.
At this point your ideas seems to fundamentally exist in realm of narcissism and shit taste. Just like your KOMPOT.
>>340720196
MY FRIEND 4 inch girth is no joke
you could stir even the finest of soups with that.
New Vegas has a MUCH better storyline and is for the most part the better game.
Fallout 3 however isn't bugged to shit, has a much more open and enjoyable world to explore, and the mainline story quests are more enjoyable.
3 wins.
OP here guys.
I thought we could let go and begin again with another thread. It hasn't done so well. Hopefully tomorrow it will be better.
>>340720242
>his
Funny way to spell "my"
>>340719745
ncr
>>340719786
where is all the side content? ive done shitloads for almost all of the fations just following though the main quest
>>340720161
I agree, Stalker is honestly one of the best games I've played in a long run, like GOAT of all years material.
But I cant really compare it to NV, it's apples and oranges.
People saying gun play is bad, dumb, gun play is fun.
>WHY DONT MY GUNS ACT LIKE LASERS!
>>340720243
Ivan took my vodka with Friedrich
do not say his name
Throw up is fucking everywhere always
>>340720230
why don't you go jump on a rocket and blast out of the fucking thread then?
oh wait thats right, your bitch boy bright left you behind FAG
haven't played New Vegas but 3 easily beats the original two IMO, gameplay is much more fluid and fun
story's obviously better too given it released in 2008
>>340720297
Nobody can fault you for trying. Nighty night anon.
>>340720291
>isn't bugged to shit
>bethesda game
>not bugged to shit
>>340720308
>People saying gun play is bad, dumb, gun play is fun.
People dont get how gun work, you dont point gun and shoot.
You point gun and wait for fucking ever because velocity of bullet when shooting up hill towards anomaly is like the root of pi multiplied by infinity.
NV not comparable to STALKER at all
FO3 is a little bit, but FO3 is only second worst next to FO4.
NV take skill, NV take desire to explore, just like STALKER.
Add mod to NV for bullet damage
good fucking game.
>>340720297
Thats what you get for trying to start a general on /v/ you dumb shit if you thought you could get away with this minus the shitposting then you really need to lurk moar. Theses threads are just beacons for the shitposters to converge on and you are at fault for creating it.
>>340720357
how does being released later make the story better?
>>340720402
New Vegas is unplayable at times. 3 is at least palatable.
>>340720357
>story is better
>because it's older
god damn I know this post is bullshit bait but it got me real mad
Fallout 1 alone has story atmosphere and villains that shit all over Fallout 3's cardboard motherfuckers
>>340720440
Courier vs Strelok
Who will win?
>>340718160
>responding to bait
anon why
>>340720242
People in this fucking thread have addressed hid exact points, he's either ignored them or just swept them under the rug with, "a-ad hominem!"
>>340720291
>much more open and enjoyable world
Boy do I fucking love subways and the same ruins every five blocks.
>isn't bugged to shit
Fallout 3 doesn't even run properly on windows 7, and is even more buggy than New Vegas.
