Why do kids today prefer SMT and other Atlus games to Square -Enix JRPGs?
>>340631382
Because Square Enix barely make JRPGs anymore.
Also, personally I find a fantasy twist to a modern real world setting to be really compelling and a lot of Atlus RPGs do that.
megaten has that cunning edge we all love
Because MT is more fun, has far more interesting story and settings, and has much better atmosphere and world-building than any SE game.
>>340632069
Their Dragon Quest games are solid though
>>340631382
Have you played recent Square games other than DQ ?
>>340632471
MT
>set in the real world
>you are the MC
SE
>set in a fantasy world
>the MC is not a self isnert
>>340632578
No but the FF legacy should be enough to maintain some goodwill?
>>340632582
>MT
>>set in the real world
lol
confirmed for never having played a Megaten game
>>340632582
>MT
>set in the real world
>you are the MC
nigga what
>>340631382
Square-Enix doesn't make fun games anymore.
Except for Dragon Quest, sometimes. But even then you need a break from Dragon Quest.
>>340632681
The name alone has been carrying that franchise for the last 6 games. It's starting to run out of steam.
>>340632681
It maintains some goodwill, just not enough to consider the games good.
See FFXV, it'll sell a lot but it'll be a disappointment.
>>340632791
Well most of thr time its the real world if demons invade
Isnt Raidou set in real old timey Japan?
>>340632961
>last 6 games
FF X-2
FF 11
FF 12 (was actually better than it got credit for at the time)
FF 13
FF 13-2
FF 13-3
FF 14
>>340632681
That goodwill ran the fuck out for me when they made THREE games for XIII and an MMO. Fuck Final Fantasy. XV better be the greatest game to ever goddamn exist.
Demon fusion is fun.
>>340631382
smt has alwas been better than ff
I can't wait for SE to fuck FVII remake and stop making FF titles.
>>340633106
Correct.
I never found SE games to be that good, the game that I've enjoyed the most is probably KH2. Atlus' games always manage to give me an erection, I like everything about them.
>>340633159
/thread
>>340631382
wouldn't you want to play a game with a character that looks like this?
>>340633154
meh, you fight many of the demons before you can fuse them
>>340633301
They're pretty standard, you can't fault them
decent characters
decent combat
decent world
>>340633369
but have you ever made the PERFECT demon? With all the skills you wanted on it? Using Incenses on them to make them MORE perfect?
>>340633484
That's post-game autism like with all monster games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmqbhyS-BK8
>>340633631
>not fusing a good demon from the start and upgrading it later with better skills and incenses as you go along
you're missing out
>>340633631
Not really, you can fuse tons of bosses shortly after you defeat them, besides, NG+ is a thing.
>>340633484
>Spend an hour backing in and out of the fusion result screen to get the skillset I want.>FUSION ACCIDENT
I do not miss being unable to manually choose which skills carry over.
>>340633484
I made theabove averagepersona
>>340633809
Where the fuck is your Mind Charge
>>340633809
>No 99s in every stat
>Weak to darkness, not resistant to phys
>No mind charge
Shit sucks.
>>340633787
>fusing on a full moon
there's your problem
>>340633484
Perfect supportI wasted hours to get all those skills right
>>340634073
daisoujou breaks nocturne lucifer's call edition so hard, probably biggest mistake they made in the whole thing
>>340633993
>implying its a problem
i fused some weak monsters on a full moon (around lvl 20 in Raidou 2) and ended up getting a Rider
>>340634073
That's a solid Daisoujou, would reject gods with
>>340634159
He really shouldn't get prayer it just makes it too easy then again you can easily make Daisoujou lite by fusing life drain onto your healer
>>340634260
so many of the bosses you can even drain all the mp from lol
>>340633913
>>340633931
sheesh, I already told you guys he was only above average
>>340631382
What good RPG has Square made in the last decade?
>>340633931
>>340633913
you guys forgot
>6 obsolete skills
>>340634307
>>340634260
That is a solid strategy in many of the new games, I know for a fact that since the first DeSu I puit drain on the MC because of the sheer damage and heal it deals, it also makes it so you always have MP/HP to use your strongest attacks
>>340634602
true, Morning Star can fuck up anything that isn't a boss, might as well save that for some physical skills/ Salvation and Buffs
>>340631382
Because Atlus actually makes RPGs.
>>340631382
Because people have finally gotten sick of Warrior of Light + kidnapped princess + crystal story that squenix only knows how to write
>>340634571
Lightning Returns, Nier, TWEWY and Bravely Second.
Not bad, but not great either.
>>340634917
Man, I'd take the old "protect the crystals" plot over most of the post FF5 stories anyday.
>>340635257
>Bravely Default
I wouldn't be so sure
>>340634917
That is the one thing I want though, I'm tired of this bullshit about modern world FF, I liked FF when it had full magic or at the worst something like FF7/8 tech level
>>340635349
Bravely Default would have been fine if they had reduced the number of worlds they passed through and made them a little more different. The way it was handled made it seem like very obvious padding.
>>340631382
>why do people not like what I like
Let SMT stay niche. If the demand shifts to an even broader audience we'll see slower releases of mainline and more saturation of Persona.
>>340635084
>Lightning Returns
I wouldn't say so.I'd say 13-2 is the good one from the 13 games
>Nier
Ok
>TWEWY
I thought it was older than that. my mistake
>Bravely Second
Haven't played it yet desu but I'll take your word for it
Ok I guess I was thinking more in the lines of FF than SE as a whole
>>340635413
I don't agree (although i wouldn't want to return to the game of these games) the cyberpunk quasi-technofantasy was a good decision choice which distinguished final fantasy from other jrpgs.
Edge
>>340635687
>muh sacred mainline and shit Persona
Can you stop saying this? SMT IV was easy and casualized compared to other mainline games and Final is even worse off.
>>340635995
a healthy dose of edge, with a side of humor
>>340636117
Did I say they were bad? No faggot, I said it was saturated. Take a look at all the P4 spin offs and the fast releases.
>>340631382
Well I've always preferred them. Etrian Odyssey, DeSu, SMT, they've always been good. I've never played a Squeenix game.
>>340636117
On that note, I hope they learn one thing from IntSys and implement a classic mode to appease older fans and casual mode for the braindead ADHD ridden audience they're obviously trying to grab.IntSys and Persona can keep the waifushit, though Final isn't making me hopeful for SMT V
>>340631382
Because they are better and have better combat.
>>340633716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U84zAfb4b58
>>340631382
They like to go on the same dungeon design for 40 hours straight. Just like Skyrim.
Because the last time a SE-published JRPG had a unique plot, it blew its load too early and ruined the gameplay for a good chunk. Ending was great though
>>340638295
but the repeated worlds was nothing but for the sake of gameplay.
How else would they have implemented boss rush mode.
>>340638295
People give BD far too much shit than it deserves. the setting, the characters and the world building are still great but all the people do is bitch about the second half.
>>340638496
dont forget the music was fucking awesome
>>340638569
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xsXXOnlOgA
>>340638496
I do agree for the most part but the second half was just THAT poorly implemented. On top of that, some characters like Agnes are bland as shit
>>340635676
Story in BD was not good
>>340638496
>Had about 35 hours game time when I got to the time loops.
>Second "half" only took me like two hours.
>>340631382
>better music (though that is a preference thing)
>usually has more depth
>bosses are more likely to have an interesting gimmick and don't make all status effects useless
>the monster system adds tons of variety to how you play the game
>multiple endings
>waifu bait
>>340635084
Nier was only published by SE
>>340638768
It wasn't, but there's a simple fix to make it passable. All those resets were just tiring.
>>340638768
Neither it was bad, plus most of the good writing was in the journal but gamers nowadays can't be bothered with anything that isn't a cutscene, wich is why we went full animu bullshit in Second and the journal was removed as a narrative tool.
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>>340638768
Considering it was a throwback to old games I wasn't expecting anything outside of minimalism.
>>340631382
I'm only looking forward to more NieR/Drakengard from SE. Atlus has been putting out some consistent good games but I really haven't been interested in them besides DeSu.
>>340636117
IV was harder than I and II though.
>>340639432
To be fair you're supposed to get the bad ending the first time and then the true ending by persevering.
It doesn't make sense from the charactes' prospective but it makes sense from the player's one, who was meant to represent the "celestial being" inside Till before it was retconned.
And it's not like it doesn't make sense, the fact that past Agnes held a fragment of a crystal and was found half-dead should've been a dead giveaway that breaking the crystals wouldn't work.
>>340634437
Autistic minmaxers will never let a chance to wave their virtual dicks go by
>>340636808
What would be the difference between casual and classic mode?
>>340641763
Saving anywhere/saving only at terminals, free skill passing/limited skill passing, Party death = game over/MC death = game over. Stuff like that. People call IV easy, but in my opinion it's mostly that easy because you can save any time you like and the game over trigger was made more forgiving.
is this the hoy thread
>>340642069
No.
>>340642069
>>340642153
Leave at once.
>>340631382
Because no FF lets you side with Lucifer and lead his armies against God.
>>340642069
yes
>>340631382
What has Square-Enix put out in terms of JRPGs besides Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts recently?
Not even trying to be an ass here, I'm trying to rewind my memories, and I'm coming up empty-handed.
>>340636117
SMT 4 is only easy if you know to build your MC as a mage with all magic, if you never get special fussion you can say goodbye to game breakers like concentrate, salvation, and debilitate
>>340642069
you got it
Do you honestly with your heart believe that the average 14 year old kid with a 3DS playing SMT games? Cause if you do, then you're fucking delusional
Kids these days DON'T prefer RPG's at all. Atlus and Square Enix games are made for people like us, not them.
>>340642783
I made a fucking St build and I got through the game pretty easily. Pluto was probably the hardest boss for me. Lucifer was a joke.
Got a gameboy color for 50¢ the other day and I want to play some SMT. Is Revelations worth the $19 asking price?
>>340644376
>making sweeping generalisations
>legitimately believing in the concept of "generations" and "those pesky millenials"
hi red.dit
please get off my board
>>340642783
I used physical and smashed through everything with Power Charged high crit rate skills.
Is it bird posting hours yet?
>>340646514
Post any demon you like
>>340634073
Daisoujou is so broken. You can get him so soon in the game and even at that point he's an amazing demon. I had to stop using him because he's too overpowered. It made virtually everything so easy because he fully heals the party and cures all ailments with Prayer and never runs out of MP with Meditation.
post yfw you get the fusion just right
>>340632791
Real-ish world at least. Tokyo is an actual city unlike what's in FF games.
>>340632791
this picture is retarded
>>340649269
What's wrong with it?
>>340648429
>1 hour into SMT 1
>my mom's already dead
This game is going to get much worse, isn't it?
>>340632791
>>340632813
smt1 literally has you play as a nameless guy in tokyo
>>340650226
Of course
>>340650226
Yes.
>>340634159
what makes him so game breaking? I just finished nocturne/lucifer's call and kinda passed him over. none of the fiends seemed especially useful to me, except for a rider and mother harlot for a stretch
>>340650550
MP recovery with a full heal/cure aliments very early on, also his resistances are great
>>340650550
I've yet to play Nocturne myself, but I have literally never seen a video of the game without Daisojou
>>340650550
>starts off with Meditation and learns Prayer after only a couple levels
>Meditation saps HP/MP from enemies, even bosses to never run out of MP
>Prayer fully heals the party and removes all ailments
>no weaknesses
>repels death and expel
>drains curse/mind
>nulls nerve
>can fuse after the second fiend battle once you have a Deathstone
>requires only level 37
>>340631382
Because FF is shit and we didn't get enough DQ till recently.
>>340650629
>>340651426
makes sense. now i wish i had given him a shot, but i feel like it probably would have made that middle stretch pretty boring. the early-middle game was the only part where i felt the difficult was more like smt1/2 level
>>340651753
You're probably better off honestly. Daisoujou is so overpowered that it gets boring for a while.
>>340651426
>not using mana drain
>not spending 30 minutes depleting bosses of their MP before they can transition to another phase
>>340650457
That's actually quite refreshing. The whole series is pretty much depressing, right? SMT IV is on sale on the Eshop and I might pick it up since I'm enjoying SMT 1 so much.
>>340652241
IV has its flaws, such as being a bit too easy, but don't minmax and you might enjoy it. Imposing some arbitrary restrictions on yourself can be fun
>>340652241
>The whole series is pretty much depressing, right?
Kind of? The tone is all over the place in these games to be honest.
>>340652241
i'd say the setting is always bleak, but the games are not too depressing in tone
>>340652578
>bit too easy
fuck that, it felt short as hell
Nocturne managed to feel a hell of a lot bigger despite, I'm assuming, covering the same damn city more or less.
>>340653872
Nocturne felt bigger because it had far more streches of nothing while being significantly harder as you really needed to level up because just fusing some demons wasn't going to help as the needed skills had to be gained through level up and they had a xp rate bellow the MC, while I really like Nocturne, it was the one that had the most grind to do anything
>>340631382
Because SMT isn't filled with a bunch of homosexuals dressed like they're getting ready for pop concert.
>>340653872
Nocturne felt bigger because it has pretty lengthy dungeons like the Obelisk or Kabukicho Prison. When SMT4 had actual dungeons that weren't that demon domain shit they tended to be pretty short.
fuck i think naraku might have been the biggest dungeon in the game and that was right at the start
>>340654707
Mostly.
>>340654889
Judge Zelenin is beautiful!
They don't especially not the devil summoner games they can't break 200k square could shit out anything and have it hit a million in sales.
>>340654973
>siding with Zelenin
>ever
