Since there are people(like me)who compares TF2 with Overwatch due to reasons, I want to ask you something.
Which of the two do you believe is more enjoyable and better?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10446532
http://www.strawpoll.me/10446532
I'm with TF2 for this one.
I'm not saying that Overwatch is bad but the game feels mediocre in terms of everything, ranging from gameplay to the music. Game feels hollow to me. The fact that there's only 6 people per team and the lack of proper game modes makes the game even more hollower.
And with that in mind, I can't believe that Blizzard got the balls to make it cost $40. It doesn't deserve that much money.
TF2 for me just serves plenty of good things in the plate. Enough for me to enjoy myself from time to time in a decent duration.
I honestly can't think of a single thing that Overwatch does better than TF2 besides waifus
Can someone help me out?
TF2 is fun but its also a cancerous as minecraft
OW is nice but I got bored pretty fast
I voteneither
>>340630732
TF2
I don't like the idea of hard counters that Overwatch has. In TF2 any class can beat any class if the one at disadvatange is able to compensate with skill.
you cucks are still giving blizzard your money? get real
Overwatch. I've never played it, but it can't be worse than TF2.
>>340631783
>this is /v/ in a nutshell
There was an open beta, how could you miss it?
>>340631783
TF2 is a better and more balanced game, but I enjoy Overwatch more.
>>340630732
Tf2 just because hearing the same two catch phrases over and over in overwatch has made me want to strangle someone at blizzard.
>>340631620
>4 snipers on offense
>2 captures
>2 defenses
>b-but look at all my headshots!!
Truly a credit to his team.
>>340631874
You should post an example that isn't a projectile weapon
See pic related
>>340630732
vanilla TF2 is a fairly balanced and solid gaming experience. every class has worth. When the updates started coming out the variables were out of control, it was nigh impossible to keep balanced.
Overwatch is unbalanced right off the bat with way too many classes. Many of the classes are designed just to have sex appeal, where every tf2 class is designed and shaped to be recognizable from a distance.
TF2 is obviously shit now and has been for some time, but it is still a far more solid and fun game than overwatch.
>Blizzard got the balls to make it cost $40
So quick question, do you guys think this game should be free? That all the time the devs spent on making this game is not worth a single cent?
That blizz doesn't deserve to get any money even knowing than you can get all the in-game accessories for free by playing instead of paying?
This is the only thing that has been bothering me for a while. I don't mind paying for something I know people spent time doing.
>>340632163
Also this
>>340632163
reminds me of pudge
>>340630732
TF2 'till TF3
>>340632303
Roadhog is based off Diablo's Butcher (which Pudge is also based on)
>>340630732
You're too late, Ruski, TF2 is dying and your inventory full of items is depreciating faster than a McMansion in a recession.
>>340632195
If they truly want to earn my $40, they have to step up their game. For starters, how about giving each characters more lines and the guns better sound effects.
As for what it is right now, the game is worth $20 or below for me. TF2 on release costs like $15-20 from what I remember yet it still gives me plenty of things.
I'd vote for TF2, but I played the fuck out of it and get bored long ago. Overwatch is similar in experience but is something new and refreshing. So decide for yourself.
>>340630732
I am absolutely certain that at least 80% of the people who vote for overwatch either never played TF2 to the extent of properly understanding it and becoming good at it or is simply trolling.
>>340632154
We won with crushing advanatage though. Goes to show my point.
Also
>I-IT'S ALL ABOUT THE OBJECTIVE KILLS DON'T MATTER
Yeah, you are trul credit to the team by sitting next to the cart doing fuck all while everyone else goes forward to actually make the push a possiblity.
This is how every successful offensive match looks like, good players go forward and kill shit. Play the fucking game.
Both of those 2 captures were on final. At all other times the point is to kill shit and make it stay dead and let people who are not as good at killing shit push undisturbed.
>>340632586
...or simply tired of playing the same game for 9 years.
>>340632427
TF2's playerbase has been about the same for 4 years
Meanwhile, where is Overwatch's concurrent playercount? Do you even want to argue that popularity is a reason for whether a game is good or not?
>cuckwatch
It's a casual shitty cuckgame that blizzcucks drool over because of their dumb purple fat waifus
Anyone with a brain knows this shit is cuckshit
>>340632154
Does anyone else made an observation that Overwatch gave birth to the
>SNIPERS SUCK AT OFFENSE
and
>KILLS DON'T MATTER
memes?
It's so obvious it's their first time playing a game like that, it's almost funny.
>>340632482
TF2 was also bundled with the Orange Box, which was a pretty fucking solid deal
Cuckwatch will never get anything like that
>>340632662
>Overwatch is the better game because it's only out for 1 month
Are you not able to objectively compare the features and mechanics of both games?
That's like saying any game you've played for 5 minutes is the best game in the world.
>>340632962
I voted TF2 (also not the guy you're replying to) but this isn't about whether which game is better, it's about which game is more enjoyable (see the poll)
TF2 is almost 10 years old. Its user base and basic meta has revolved several times and it's essentially a different game at this point.
I loved the shit out of TF2 back when it was relatively new. Hell, I loved it for years, but the user base got worse and worse (especially with F2P), it became harder and harder to find servers that weren't garbage due to player count, community, or map selection (not to mention broken shitty sourcemods), item and cosmetics ballooned unreasonably as all the profit from TF2 now came from the item shop, etc.
Overwatch is only similar to TF2 in that it's a class-based shooter. Pretty much everything about its design is in stark contrast to TF2.
>>340632154
He has only 62 headshots out of 100 kills actually, which means he doesn't really give a fuck about them.
>>340633052
Yes I also enjoy shit games more than good ones.
Also read the text in the OP right above the two poll links, literally says: "enjoyable and better?"
>>340632749
When you evaluate the whole package, I think TF2 comes out ahead.
Overwatch is fun for 5 hours but then you're done with the game.
I've been playing TF2 since 2009 and it's always been a fun game throughout.
>>340632749
That doesn't look like the player base staying the same, that looks like people leaving and enterprising third-worlders coming back every time there's new valuable cosmetics to hustle
>>340632283
To be fair you should post some webm depicting facestabs, fucked up hit register, dying due to lag compensation and other fun stuff valve did not and will not care to fix ever either.
>>340632962
TF2 **was** better. It still will be for new players probably. But personally I can't play the same game for 1/3 of my fucking life.
Playing Overwatch makes me itch for TF2. That said, I stopped playing TF2 for a reason and every time i've tried to get back into it and failed was because of that reason.
It's a bloated fucking mess filled to the brim with a completely intolerable community of children, bronies, sharkers, redditors and just generally unlikeable people.
>>340633498
>To be fair you should post some webm depicting facestabs, fucked up hit register, dying due to lag compensation and other fun stuff valve did not and will not care to fix ever either
The thing is that while those things suck and should be fixed, they are bugs.
While overly huge hitboxes are most certainly intentional.
>>340633498
>To be fair you should post some webm depicting facestabs, fucked up hit register, dying due to lag compensation and other fun stuff valve did not and will not care to fix ever either.
But those are random occurrences. The posted webms are obviously very controlled.
>>340633498
>TF2 **was** better. It still will be for new players probably. But personally I can't play the same game for 1/3 of my fucking life.
And that's exactly why you should vote for TF2.
It was better, it still is. It just got old for you, one day overwatch will also grow old for you. And when that happens TF2 will be the clear victor.
TF2 for me, but OW had some good ideas that valve should poach. I've been playing TF2 for a few years now and it's gone stale
>>340633498
>>340632283
>>340632163
>>340631874
Literally the exact same thing happens with Huntsman arrows.
Only an idiot would say that TF2's hit detection and interp is good or better than Overwatch's. Not only are the hitboxes in TF2 massive and horribly misaligned, the way interp works is completely fucked to the point where the best solution is to have two completely different settings for projectile and hitscan weapons. The hitboxes for hitscan weapons completely separate from the model under default conditions, it's disgusting.
People can complain about "favor the shooter" and misunderstand what tick rate is as much they want, Overwatch's hit detection systems are superior to TF2's.
>>340633637
Those bugs became a part of meta, were not fixed for YEARS and never will be. Intentional or not they are part of the game.
I don't like hitboxes in overwatch too. But that does not make tf the perfect game. Hell it's getting so infested with bugs it feels more like playing pirate wow server by now.
![Hit[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/jrMhpcD.png "Hit[1].png")
>>340633637
Does it hurt, being such a retard?
>>340633726
>Literally the exact same thing happens with Huntsman arrows.
Huntsman only vs. every single weapon in Overwatch.
There is a reason why it's called "Lucksman".
>>340633726
>Literally the exact same thing happens with Huntsman arrows.
That's one weapon in the game. Every ranged weapon in Overwatch is affected by huge hitboxes/autoaim/whatever it is.
>>340630732
If Overwatch implemented private servers half it's problems would be instantly fixed and this would be a no brainer. As it stands though, tf2 is clealy superior even with the f2p crap
>>340633810
Are you trying to prove my point or what? Because those are nothing compared to hitboxes in Oberwatch.
>>340633810
Are those supposed to be huge compared to >>340632163
>>340633654
>>340632283
?
>>340633860
>>340633835
Come on, kids, I know reading is hard but you can get farther than the first sentence.
>>340631874
Oh wow what a shitshow
>>340633982
Everything past the first sentence is garbage not worth referring to.
>>340633969
They're about the same size, actually. Projectiles in both games are also gigantic.
Oops, you're a retarded memester who knows dick about game design
>>340632786
Cuck needs text filtered on this board already.
>>340634070
>They're about the same size, actually
The projectile in >>340633654 literally hits right between the legs and it still counts as a hitand it's the case with every weapon in the game, including hitscan.
Why are you being delusional?
>>340634070
Pretty sure that if I would make any of those shots with the sniper from TF2 to the scout in the same angles and positions, that I would miss all of them.
t. Sniper main
>>340633835
Better to have inconsistent hit detection, surely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqSrBiucBYw
![Lag_compensation[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FWdaHr1.jpg "Lag_compensation[1].jpg")
>>340631874
>>340632163
>>340632283
>>340633654
>>340633860
>calling this bad
>while saying source games work better
Full fucking retard
Apples and Oranges.
I had fun for almost 10 years now with TF2 and Overwatch feels like the next step.
Never cared nor invested money in the cosmetic crap so I don't have a problem moving on.
>>340631620
>ctf
>be red
>blue team has the top two with 150 points while our top two are about 60
>still win because the >150 are two shitty snipers who don't actually contribute at anything in the match
The butthurt was glorious
>>340634195
Hitbox that extends past the model + large cylinder on hitscan and projectiles + tracers drawing separate from aim = this behavior
If you're trying to say TF2's hit detection is better you're full of shit. TF2 has had busted hitboxes and lerp from day one. But then, I bet your stupid ass doesn't even know what lerp is.
>>340634226
You realize that TF2:How to" is a series about rare ly occurring bugs right?
Shit like this almost never happens while grossly oversized hitboxes in Overwatch are always the case.
>>340634619
>Apples and Oranges.
>still compares OW to TF2 and says its the next step
>>340634676
ctf is a terrible game mode for snipers in general.
Was it 2fort? Because 2fort is all about sniper duels and fucking around, no one gives a fuck about the objective on 2 fort.
>>340634779
>rarely occurring bugs
Nigger have you EVER played a Source game?
That's typical behavior of source hitboxes. Not only does that video perfectly display how terribly the hitboxes are aligned to the models, the engi getting headshot also shows how the hitboxes move completely off the model on default interpolation settings.
You're retarded, anon. Hit detection in source games has always been garbage.
>>340634779
I played the game for years, dingus. TF is bloated with bugs and glitches, some of witch became fucking meta. Not mentioning that source lag compensation is pure shit from the start.
>>340634676
>comparing ctf to pl
>anyone taking ctf seriously enough to care about objective or even get butthurt
It's all in your head Anon.
Early TF2 was better than Overwatch. TF2 today is a fucking mess. I'd rather play Battleborn.
>>340635132
>I'm a huge faggot.
What's making tf2 so terrible? Let me guess the hats right? And it does not have a paywall. Don't let the door hit you on your way out kid.
>>340635027
>source lag compensation is pure shit from the start.
This this this a million fucking times this.
I will always and forever prefer Blizzard's "favor the shooter" philosophy over the retarded hitbox behavior in source games.
If we were talking 2009-2010 TF2 compared to Overwatch TF2 would win for sure, but I have to assume it's modern TF2 you're discussing and I mean I can't even fully explain why but it just feels like TF2 has lost its spark and its enjoyability over the years hard.
>>340632154
>M-MUH OBJECTIVE
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Community_Badwater_Basin_strategy
>Taking control of the ridge provides you with overwhelming control of the first point, and is more important than pushing the cart at the very start of the game
>Taking control of the roof prevents RED from defending the third point. Until this is done, you have virtually no capability to push the cart forward.
Have fun being useless pushing the cart at all times while others actually win the game for you.
>>340635564
It lost its spark because you've been playing it for nearly ten years.
Modern TF2 is just as good as classic TF2 for the sole reason of if you hate any of the new features that they added there's always mods and vanilla servers.
>>340635826
>>340635564
>HURR DURR IT SAME GAEM AS LAUNCH
The meta has changed considerably due to balance changes, bugs, and new items. The aesthetic has been completely trashed. Most servers are now 24-32 players, trading dominates the user base moreso than the actual game, the maps after the first few updates lack the charm and polish of the first sets. Custom maps suck, custom modes suck, and the game runs worse and worse with every update.
>>340630732
OP why are you asking dumb questions?
OW is a mediocre non finished game, even the word "game" is debatable, is it only a waifus gallery
Old TF2 > OW > New TF2
>50/50
>>340635826
I only played it for about three and a half years though. Haven't touched it since late 2012/early 2013. There's a reason I said 09-10 since that's when I first got it/got into it.
I think a lot of it has to do with how shitty the community got over time, how obsessed they were with showing off e-peen and arguing about cosmetics instead of just playing, how the game was (and I have to assume still is) a bloated mess after a certain point, etc.
>>340630732
this just makes me want to play OW even more
>>340630732
I voted Overwatch. Going back to a bit of TF2 last weekend felt awkward as fuck. It seems that every single decent player that used to play TF2 is now playing Overwatch instead, because I effortlessly hit 30+ kill streaks every single match for the two or so hours I played until I literally got bored of how stupidly bad people were.
Overwatch has a lower skill ceiling, but people are far more dangerous.
>>340636173
We have a winner.
>>340636173
nostalgia goggles
>>340636367
>nostalgia goggles
oh yeah because autistic furry hat trading simulator: F2P edition is so much better
>>340636303
TF2 has been nothing but pennyless BRs and Ruskis for a long time now.
>>340636342
marathon reboot in the style of that art never
fuck my life
>>340636516
But BRs and Ruskis don't even play onStockholm servers
>>340636303
>I LIKE the rock/paper/scissors gameplay of Overwatch
I dunno, I kinda enjoyed TF2's ability to use weapons that countered your counter. Nothing's better than shitting all over a team of Soldiers as a Pyro.
>>340636031
>The meta has changed considerably due to balance changes, bugs, and new items.
>Vanilla servers
Oh whoops, looks like you're a retard.
>>340634523
>Posts a screenshot from a 12 year old game
>Thinks it represents the quality of source games now
No, you're the full fucking retard, anon.
>>340636680
>rock/paper/scissors
What
I fuck everyone up with Genji, that's what I do. They may be the ones who can't counter me at all, I guess?
>>340636707
>bugs don't effect vanilla servers
Oops you're retarded
>>340636792
>I've literally never played a Source game, have no idea that you can turn on hitboxes with a console command, and I think the word interp means someone with a learning disability
Good to know, dipshit.
>>340635826
>Modern TF2 is just as good as classic TF2 for the sole reason of if you hate any of the new features that they added there's always mods and vanilla servers.
Modern WoW isn't just as good as Classic WoW because vanilla servers exist (well, existed.)
>>340636928
>bugs
Oh I'm sorry, one party of your twelve part tard argument still stands. Do you want to keep arguing with that one shred of stupid? I assumed you'd shut up if that's all you had.
>>340636928
Are you actually mentally disabled? Where did I say anything about turning on hitboxes through console? I'm talking about you posting screenshots of CS:S, which is 12 years old at this point and pretending like it represents the hitboxes of modern Source games, ie CS:GO.
Please exit the genepool you inbred fuckwit.
>>340637147
>bugs that change the meta don't matter
Ignoring that vanilla servers aren't popular or common, the bugs have a huge effect on the game regardless.
>>340637184
Holy shit, you really don't have two brain cells to rub together, do you? Does everyone always have to spell out everything they say to you?
Go into any Source game at all right now and start a local server. Turn on cheats, turn on hitboxes, simulate a reasonable amount of latency, and have a bot move back and forth. Look at the hitboxes.
Source games are fucking notorious for having terrible hitboxes and interpolation
>>340637459
>Source games are fucking notorious for having terrible hitboxes and interpolation
And what I'm telling you for the third fucking time already is that it's no longer true. Hitboxes are no longer rectangular and they no longer lag behind the player model.
>>340638357
>it's no longer true
I don't know if you're lying or just an idiot.
Either way, pic related.
>>340638441
CS: GO hitboxes have been fixed for 8 months now, you stupid fuck.
>>340638642
They changed the boxes for capsules, they didn't modify interp. In fact people complained right after the update because the smaller hitboxes combined with the hitboxes coming off the models means even MORE shots that should be hits were now misses.
Source interpolation is garbage, anon. Kill yourself.
You're an idiot.
>>340638642
why are you even bringing up CS:GO in a thread about TF2?
>>340632586
I've got over 3000 hours in TF2. Old TF2 is better than current Overwatch, but current Overwatch is better than modern TF2. F2p ruined this game
>>340638972
that "shitty interpolation" is still a lot better than having to look at killcams where you didnt do X even thought you did so in your screen because of the slow tickrate.
>>340633726
>arrows are the same as bullets
>>340639623
Oh hey, you posted another example of how fucking stupid you are.
Tick rate in overwatch is 60Hz. Your client is updated at 20Hz. Your client updates the server at 60Hz.
Getting killed as you get behind a wall has dick to do with the tick or update rates, it's simple latency.
>>340639752
Never said they were. One is projectile, the other is hitscan. You're also reading the first sentence and missing the actual point.
>>340640136
Yes and currently Blizzard lets you hit 100% accurately even with 500 ping. Guess whats the drawback? That you can kill people up to 500 milliseconds "too fast". I've watched their blablatalk. And I know that the system is "attacker friendly" but currently its just over the top and they should balance it better.
>>340633982
Because it's not true?
>>340636501
>caring about cosmetics
>>340630732
You realize tf2 was not always f2p?
And cost almost as much as OW (cant remember if it was more or less) with far less content
>>340640837
>Yes and currently Blizzard lets you hit 100% accurately even with 500 ping
Hit detection is not client side.
That's THREE posts showing how stupid you are with completely different content!
You gonna shoot for four?
>>340632163
finally. A casual game for casual players.
>>340642238
No it didn't. The orange box was only 40 dollars. Overwatch is 70.
>>340642238
>And cost almost as much as OW
Are you stupid or just underage? The Orange box had 3 times the value OW has. And TF2 didn't have a cash-shop until many years later.
