Is buying DOOM 4 a cancerous thing to do due to Denuvo?
>all these people who have issues with legitimatly buying a game because it uses a nonintrusive anti-piracy tool
Denuvo is only cancer to poorfags
I bought it forXbox One.
>>340614875
I got gifted it for my birthday and I'm having a blast. The way I see it, if you're already using steam then you're submitting to DRM which is just as bad as Denuvo desu. Either go full piratefag and stick to your principles and don't ever buy and DRM products, or stop giving a shit and buy games if you think you'll get your money's worth.
>>340614875
Buy it already faggot, I don't give a shit if they keep Denuvoing these products as long as they realize that DOOM is a great game and they continue to produce more games at this quality level.
Vote with your wallet, if you want more of these kickass games then buy them, as this anon touched on >>340615183 It's already on steam, you can't escape at least some form DRM any longer. What's it to you if poorfags aren't able to pirate good games?
>>340615428
I purchased it, but I'm also upset at the DRM situation, as it basically closes off any kind of serious modding that could have happened.
Yes.
>>340614875
the only thing that should stop you from buying it is the idea of spending 60 bucks for a videogame
Delicious piratefag tears
>Playing on Nightmare
Okay, so the gigasoldiers can charge up and blast you for 80% of your health and are all fucking deadeyes. Is the idea that instead of going sanic fast I just kite the demons around corners for the whole game because one to two hits will kill me?
>>340614991
and modders dick head
Well not buying it because of Denuvo won't discourage developers from using it.
>>340614958
>supporting drm in any way
>>340617802
It will if Denuvo games sell like shit
Look at Hitman, Far Cry Primal, Just Cause 3, Batman Arkham Knight etc.
Meanwhile Fallout 4, Witcher 3, and even fucking Undertale outsold all of these
Best selling Denuvo game was cracked fast, MGSV, but it still didn't break 1 mil on pc
>>340614875
>Is buying DOOM 4 a cancerous thing to do due to Denuvo?
buying games is ALWAYS cancerous
>>340614875
>Is buying DOOM 4 a cancerous thing to do due to Denuvo?
Not only that but if you buy a physical copy it gives you a steam code so you can't even sell the game or lend it to your friend later!? What gives! I can lend out my copy of Doom1/2 whenever I want wan\abvdwautrwt seryt4syotpudwa daSTUPID FUCKING PC GAGGOTS FUCKING GAVE AWAY YOUR FUCKINGWARDADW RIGHT TO DAWUOID HAWD AW GIVE A HGWADA WDFUCKING A DA DADAWD USED GAMES AWD AWD AWD AWDAFUCKING XBONE DWAD WA DAWD AWDNO TRADING AG AEMS ON A XBOENAWA EBAWE UAT WAD ABUT THE AWDE AWD AW PS4 YOU cAEW NBDAAWD AWD ATRADE GAMES A DFABDWA THE NAD AWDAWDW
You cant play it if you dont buy it
Steam has refunds i dunno what the problem is here
>>340614875
I bought it for PS4
>>340618453
>not supporting good game devs
>>340619930
>implying good
I'll buy it when it goes on sale instead
>>340619930
>Denuvo
>Good game devs
I don't think so, Bob
>>340614958
>non intrusive
>no mods allowed
>no mods in a fucking doom game
>no intrusive
Burn in hell
>>340620159
So someone using something to protect thier work makes them bad? Guess we should stop using car alarms and locking up the house then with that logic.
>>340620418
You just compared buying a thing and not owning it to buying a thing you own and keeping the doors open
>>340620232
That has nothing to with denuvo. id could still let you modify assets and make map creation more accessible if they wanted too, Denuvo only touches the game executable.
>>340614875
>Game is decent
>Has a cancerous attachment to it
Why is it so hard bros? I want to buy the game to support the developers to make more grander games but don't want to support the shit that comes with it.
>>340621346
What is cancerous about denuvo? The main argument against drm is that it's a hassle for for legitimate customers while being incapable at serving its actual purpose. Denuvo is the opposite.
>>340614875
Buying anything from Bethesda is already a cancerous thing to do, Anon.
It's just hilarious to me how many people on /v/ fell for this. Anyone who tries to say that it doesn't do anything is just brushed off as a shill. They've probably even played Denuvo games without knowing.
>>340621543
Simple: You can't mod it.
Doom was one of the first games to have a "modding" community and still has one to this day. If the modders of Doom could have tried their hand out at making their own DOOM "wads", I would've enjoyed it. But now, I can't.
Developers should protect their IP, but not at the cost of one of the best things of the gaming community.
>>340622350
I don't know if it's true or not, but according to >>340621240, lack of mod support has nothing to do with denuvo.
>>340623840
And according to >>340622350, it does.
>>340622350
>>340623840
>>340624039
Denuvo stops some unofficial modding, modding that requires you to modify the exe.
Developers can still allow official modding. It was just lazy of them to not allow it, and think SnapMap was good enough.
It's the best shooter í've played in a few years.
Worth the pricetag for the single player experience.
Fuck the Denuvo meme.
I think that choosing not to support a good Singleplayer FPS game because of it's anti theft protection is just silly
>>340624205
>stops some unofficial modding
So any actual modding outside a shitty walled garden made by those jew devs
>>340624603
No. Anything that only modifies the assets and doesn't touch the .exe will work.
So in Skyrim for example it would break all mods that require script extender.
>>340624874
>modifying assets
That's not what true modding is, even OG Doom had more modding capabilities without the source code than this turd.
>>340617802
>>340618618
Wouldn't that just encourage them to stop making a PC version in the first place? Especially since Steam and other services like it take a pretty big cut of the profits.
No, it's a cancerous thing to do because it's Bethesda.
>>340625032
Nope, because publishers have dug themselves in such a deep hole with graphics and world sizes, they've made game development stupidly expensive, and now because of this, they have to branch out as much as possible because otherwise they wont turn a profit or a sizable enough profit.
>>340625116
Bethesda publish it you fucking idiot.
>>340625025
Old doom wads were exactly that. Replacing maps, weapon sprites, menu screens etc
>>340625276
so? giving any money to bethesda is cancer
>>340625348
Fine, enjoy playing fuck all made by nobody. I hear it's a great game for tightwads.
>>340625312
You can't do that in bethesdoom and snapmap is the most powerless tool I've ever seen.
>>340625413
>>340625436
You can't do that in snapmap. If making maps didn't get 1000x harder since 1994 you could replace the maps in campaign.
One thing is defeding the game
Yeah I know this is your first Painkiller I get that
But another is defending denuvo and bethesda's antimodding posture
You are a fucking cuck if you do this
I got one for gratis after buying asus monitor. Does this count as supporting?
>>340617306
Real talk /v/, Doom 4 would have a minimal at best modding scene. Look at the mod scene for Doom 3, there's pretty much nothing there. Sure the DRM is a big fuck you to what could have been but ultimately it probably would have had a very minimal modding scene.
>>340617128
Stop playing on Nightmare then
>>340618618
You would think that fallout 4 and TW3 would sell better than any of the other games listed above regardless of whether they had denuvo or not since they're just a lot more popular on PC in general. Total Warhammer was recently released and that's apparently the fastest selling total war game ever despite using Denuvo.
>>340617128
The difficulty curve in this game does seem too forgiving on UV and too harsh on nightmare.
>>340625587
Actually yes
>>340625436
Again, that has nothing to do with denuvo, the games assets are locked down with proprietary encryption. Wolfenstein is the same way, no denuvo
>>340626870
I don't give what's the cause.
It's not a Doom game, it's a fucking disgrace.
>>340614875
>bwuuuaaahhhh wuuaahh Denuvo banned muh pirate torrent of NuDoom because I'm such a poorfag I can't pay for it
Off yourself
>>340626000
Trips of deception
Tell me again how Undertale was this superpopular pc franchise
Or dying light, life is strange, rocket league, cities: skyline etc.
Fucking niche new ips completely annihilated juggernauts like mgs, batman, far cry, tomb raider, etc.
I wonder why
Oh yeah they were sold without malware attached
>>340626968
Well that's fine, but this argument was specifically about whether denuvo prevented modding for D44M.
No one intelligent is buying Doom at full price, you can get it on G2A for $38 after payment fees, and it will probably go down even lower when it comes closer to Steam's own Summer sale
>>340628324
>Doom
>released as shareware
>a few years later the source code is released
>modding community still active over 20 years later
>D44M
>released with super tough drm
>source code probably never
>no modding community
I'll buy it for 20 eurobucks.
>>340625809
Pretty much, this thread is literally just people looking for reasons to hate the game
>>340614875
I'd say it's good enough to justify a purchase, however not at full price. AT LEAST 50% off
>>340628683
That's like saying getting rid of toilets in India makes sense because people shit in the streets in any case
>>340624874
Could they not let you link with a .dll to mod it?
Reminder that HITMAN™ uses Denuvo. Reminder that HITMAN™ is coming to Linux. Reminder that Denuvo doesn't work on Linux. Reminder that this is the year of the Linux desktop and Windows users are getting cucked.
>>340628521
Yes, Bethesda's attitude towards modding in its published games are to blame, glad we agree
>>340628683
They're not wrong honestly. I really, really liked Doom 4 but the lack of mod support is a huge bummer. I don't regret buying it but I really hate anything that limits modding for no real reason.
>>340628569
Solid idea.
>>340614875
How does Denuvo work? Is it just some kind of user end encryption or something?
>>340626000
>warammer branded game sells more than generic romans/europe/medieval/jap civil war shit
wow how could it happen
>>340628958
that defeats the whole point of denuvo
I wish there was a difficulty level between UV and Nightmare. I was dying a fair amount on UV towards the beginning but by the end it was easy as shit. Nightmare is just stupid, you die in one hit from shit that would maybe do a quarter of your health in UV.
>>340629750
warhammer fantasy doesn't sell you know
>>340629586
encryption based on your hardware config, it has been cracked but you would need to make a specific exe for every single hardware parts combination
also you need to reactivate the game every time you change eg. ram or video card
one day denuvo servers will die and unless you can keep your specific pc indefinitely you're fucked, at least steam games have the generic crack and that's it
>>340629839
git gud
run around
lower the music so you can hear shit coming
glory kills with more than 1 demons in your sight is dead trap
>>340629839
D44M Ultra Violence is harder than Doom 1 Ultra Violence. But D44M Nightmare is easier than Doom1 Nightmare. When you get used to the dodging and constant controlled movement that UV requires, Nightmare won't give you that much trouble. I died to the final boss at least 3 times on UV but killed in one go on Nightmare.
wait till gog picks it up
![flat,1000x1000,075,f.u1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XUuMF0h.jpg "flat,1000x1000,075,f.u1[1].jpg")
>>340630170
dont make me say it
>>340629974
>one day denuvo servers will die and unless you can keep your specific pc indefinitely you're fucked
why lying, anon
i have lotf on both machine and can play it in offline mode in both machine
it run better than fucking dark souls 2 3 while being superior technology wise.
doom run flawlessly as well at 50-60. sometime the framerate dip but my rig isnt some rich kid shit. and i didnt turn off all setting.
>>340630123
doom 1 2 is trivial with mouse if you didnt install mods that buff monsters and improve their behavior. The challenge come from nacigating the mazes and surviving ambushes.
>>340630308
>why lying, anon
i'm not lying, it's you failing at undesrtanding basic english
one day you will upgrade either machine, and without denuvo servers to give you the new key, no more lotf/d44m for you
Literally who gives a shit?
Doom is a good game. If devs make good games, I'll buy those games. If they don't, I'll pirate them. If they use extreme DRM? I just won't even bother with them.
See what I'm saying?
>>340630479
>doom 1 2 is trivial with mouse
original doom and "doomlikes" with same engine had (horizontal) mouse aim so that argument doesn't hold
>>340618453
m8 physical media is a form of DRM.
Shut up.
>>340630896
where do you get it all from?
After all you anti denuvo lied about performance issue and denuvo bloating game space.
>>340614958
>nonintrusive anti-piracy tool
My old SSD drive says otherwise. Or it would if it didn't catch fucking fire.
>>340630994
no, doom 1 2 monsters are slow, have slow projectiles, slow windup time before attack, simplistic ai and two at most: range and melee. all very predictable. try playing classic maps in nu doom. They are much harder.
![12074241364l[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tWEbQhM.jpg "12074241364l[1].jpg")
What is actually wrong with DENUVO? Aside it being DRM ofc.
>>340632198
Makes modding impossible
