So why aren't you playing the best metroid game ever made, /v/?
>>340599817
wheres the link fagget
>>340600168
http://metroid2remake.blogspot.com/
Where Nintendo fails, the true fans succeed.
I played one of the betas up until the end and it was awesome, but I refuse to play it again until it's complete
>playing a metroidvania RIGHT NOW
>never actually played a full Metroid game
Is there rape?
>>340601469
Outside of Super and ZM they really aren't that great
The Prime series is a different kind of beast and really never clicked with me
>>340601528
This isn't Federation Force
>>340601586
I played some of Fusion on a field trip bus ride in middle school but didn't play long enough to encounter spooky parts, thankfully.
I rented Prime: Echoes when I was 14 and got to the... first major boss, all I can remember are a bunch of 'tentacles(?)', couldn't beat him. Tried to play it years later and couldn't get into it.
That's all my experience.
>>340601586
AM2R is better than both ZM and Super from what I played. And its not even finished yet.
>>340599817
I just got done playing Prime, thanks
Do we have a release date yet? This shit makes me giddy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYMfWX4MrPc
I really hope this gets an expansion/remake once Fed Force releases.
>>340601973
Christmas.
>Liru was completed before AM2R
Shock.
Also Zero Mission > Super Metroid
>>340602339
For me it's
Prime 1 > Super > Zero Mission > Prime 2 > Prime 3 > Fusion > OG > Pinball > Hunters > Anal sex with severe hemorrhoids > Other M > Federation Force.
Christ at least Other M respects Metroid's aesthetic to some degree.
>>340601902
It's definitely a great game from what I've played but it's not better than the Super. The very nature of the way the M2 map is set up prevents that from ever happening.
>>340599817
>Playing incomplete games
I'm just want it to be finished before I get invested in playing it.
>>340601902
The bosses are great so far
The maps leave something to be desired, design-wise. Graphics and music are on par
Overall it's incredible for a free fan game, but I wouldn't pay more than a couple bucks for it
>>340602668
So the reason you like Super more is "muh sequence breaking"?
That's a pretty shitty reason.
>>340602884
I don't think the guy making it is going to charge anyone once its done.
That could get him in some heavy legal trouble.
>>340602897
It's not a shitty reason at all. Sequence breaking makes the game way more interesting.
>>340602585
So you never played II?
>>340603119
Whoops forgot it, slap it behind Fusion. It may be harder to navigate than OG, but at least you can crouch.
>>340602897
>Nonlinearity in a metroidvania is bad
>Replay value incentive is bad
>A malleable design is bad
Go back to Fusion.
>>340603212
You mad that a fan game is better than Super Metroid?
With each passing year it becomes more and more obvious to me how lackluster and sometimes downright bad Fusion was.
It's the only metroid game I have played that I would safely say is average at best.
>>340603062
I realize this, I'm talking more in terms of its value to me. I would actually pay for it it's so good, but not more than a few dollars
I also paid $4 for Environmental Station Alpha and I feel like I got a game I would have paid 10 times that much for. Now that's one hell of a metroidvania
Is it actually complete and done?
I don't care about this "i added 3 hallways here is a new version" bullshit.
Is it complete? If not, fuck off.
>>340603375
If you want a really amazing metroidvania check out Strider (2014).
>>340603327
It's not better than Super Metroid though. It's very very good, however.
>>340603375
>tfw pirated Ghost 1.0 and ended up buying it
>>340603561
>It's not better than Super Metroid though
Yeah it really is. Super Metroid is really good but its not amazing like Metroid 2 remake.
Super's horrendous physics drops it a notch in my book.
>>340603687
Super Metroid's physics are fine. A bit floaty, but it controls tight as hell despite that.
>>340603519
This. I cant believe in the modern age of video games that a game like Strider would have ever been released. Its fantastic.
>>340603212
To be fair, Super's nonlinearity was completely accidental. Zero Mission is what we got when they actually set out to accomplish what you're describing.
>>340603763
The floatiness is the worst part of the physics.
That's why Redesign is such a good Super hack.
Fucking insane. Can't believe it's finally happening.
How long has this been in development?
>>340603905
Jokes on you fag it's not even complete ;_;
>>340603941
Its close tho. Dude is balancing the Metroid Queen and then its pretty much done.
>>340601469
You know, the question has been bugging me for a while, what, if anything, separates Metroid games from Metroidvanias? Symphony of the Night had RPG elements, but I don't think this is an universal factor shared by games in the genre
>>340603941
I know it's not done just yet, but by the look of the blog it's gonna drop this year. It'll be the best Nintendo-related thing to happen all year probably.
>>340603892
Redesign's physics aren't very good; you fall way too fast. He tried too hard to correct the floatiness and just went overboard. Project Base is the best compromise in terms of physics.
>>340603817
>completely
Bullshit. Most of the bigger ones that involve shit like mockball and quick shinespark, sure.
But they definitely knew what they were doing with infinite bomb jumps and wall jumps.
>>340604043
I think it mainly has to do with
>variety of upgrades
>important ones being vital to progression
>some nonlinearaity
>>340603519
>>340603787
I feel like it starts real strong but gets really bogged down in stupid bullshit like different plasma types and enemies who can only be damaged by certain plasma types.
There's not much enemy variety either, so it gets pretty repetitive , especially if you do much backtracking.
The bosses are pretty lame as well.
It's amazing how well it turned out, especially being a modern western metroidvania sequel in an old Japanese arcade action game series, but I'd still rather play Strider 2.
>>340604043
>what, if anything, separates Metroid games from Metroidvanias?
Nothing except name.
>>340604114
>You fall way too fast
That's cause it was written by speed runners who get annoyed at all of the nothing you can do in Super while waiting to fall.
Any risk of a shutdown by nintendo? They seem to not like fans doing a better job than them .
>>340604273
At this point, instead of shutting it down completely, they'll just commandeer it and release it on their eShop.
![tired-man[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mcGENvJ.jpg "tired-man[1].jpg")
>>340601902
>better than super
yes i'm sure an indie is better than one of the best games of all time
>>340604245
>That's cause it was written by speed runners who get annoyed at all of the nothing you can do in Super while waiting to fall.
That's the same intention behind Project Base, and I think it accomplished it a hell of a lot better than Redesign.
>>340599817
Is it done yet? I've been waiting for years.
>>340604245
>That's cause it was written by speed runners who get annoyed at all of the nothing you can do in Super while waiting to fall.
they can't rationalize that the player should have to hold down to fall faster?
fucking copy tetris. jesus christ game designers are dense.
>>340601902
Dont embarass yourself
SM is better than it in atmosphere alone family
>>340604376
Me too anon.
>>340604376
>one of the best games of all time
>super metroid
Pick one. Its a good game but no where near one of the best of all time.
>>340604570
I was born in the 1980s, so fuck your opinion.
>>340604635
nigger, who cares how old you are?
what does that have to do with anything?
>>340604635
I was born in 1980. That has nothing to do with how good Super Metroid is.
>>340604570
I'd say it's definitely one of the best games ever made. The amount of freedom you have to traverse the map, whether wholly intentional or not, is remarkable.
>>340604716
>what does that have to do with anything?
you think there are games on the "Best games of all time" list that are nowhere near it
OOT, a game with garbage controls and laughable vomit graphics when it was released, is widely considered the best game of all time. Think about that.
People actually consider OOT a better game than LTTP. This is because they were too young to appreciate the better thing
so yes age matters. If your life doesn't encompass most of the history of video games, you don't really get to talk about them.
>>340604842
So 1 tiny part of the game that relies on glitches and bugs is enough for you to name it one of the best games of all time?
>>340604959
>is widely considered the best game of all time
>ocarine of time
Absolutely no one thinks this.
>>340604959
>i WAS in 5th grade when that game came out
Sounds like your bitch ass wasnt even born when the game came out
It was the best graphics for a game in that year numbnuts
LTTP is a good game
So is OOT
this anon >>340604959 is either
a: nostalgasming over a different thing than most of the modern world on accident
or b: intentionally trying to be contrarian, possibly due to some kind of age complex
in either case, his posts are worthless and i hope none of you take it seriously
>>340605008
It's not a tiny part of the game at all. It's a huge aspect of it that totally changes how you can play the game. You can go through the game normally or try to beat Ridley before Kraid. It opens up tons of possibilities.
>>340605084
yeah I guess in elementary school when everyone in the school wanted this game
FF7 and Pokemon it was a bad game
Not to mention the fact that me and my friends played OOT till 2005
Guess it is shit huh.
>>340599817
>http://metroid2remake.blogspot.com/
You piece of shit I thought it was out
eat a dick adn never post this game again until its released
>>340601528
>Is there rape?
Of the franchise? Plenty. The whole FPS trash series plus that GoW ripoff. Enough to put any game six feet under for good.
>>340605084
yeah except the multiple huge surveys of tens of thousands of people where it wins every fucking time, even here
OOT is widely considered the best game of all time statement of fact
>>340605185
Its a tiny part of the game because no one does it.
>>340605258
Did I say it was shit? Anywhere? I said its not the best game of all time.
>>340605084
No one on /v/, contrarian capital of the internet, you mean. Among most other places it's rated as one of, if not the best.
>>340604959
>you think there are games on the "Best games of all time" list that are nowhere near it
I do?
What are you basing this on?
Frankly, I think ALttP is overrated. It's a solid game, but it was the first big step for Zelda toward being easy as fuck and telling you exactly where to go and what to do all the time that plagues the series and prevents it from feeling anything like an adventure today.
The original and II are better, and I started the series with Wind Waker for fuck's sake.
>>340605117
>It was the best graphics for a game in that year numbnuts
HAHAHA haha oh young anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nedohYSmXLY
>>340605325
>Its a tiny part of the game because no one does it.
So what? I'm not allowed to factor that into my opinion of the game because some people don't bother trying it?
>>340605453
>1080p in 1998
Nice joke
>>340605431
>The original and II are better
yeah be actually young so have hipster opinions
thanks for playing, come back when you develop your own thoughts
ps zelda ii was universally reviled in its time. the game is fucking beyond awful.
I played the demo and I loved it.
I'm waiting until the final release before I play it again.
>>340605431
>The original and II are better
Agreed there.
Zelda II is one of my favorite games of all time and probably my favorite zelda.
>>340605117
>It was the best graphics for a game in that year numbnuts
Hold on now, this isn't true. It might have had good graphics as far as N64 games go, but games like Half Life were out before it.
Seeing as everyone else is biting obvious b8 here, I guess I will too.
>>340605291
>FPS trash series
Fuck off acfag
>>340605523
click the gear and watch it in 480p then you stupid faggot duhhh
resolution doesnt really amtt
>>340605601
Mah nigga
>>340605584
>ps zelda ii was universally reviled in its time. the game is fucking beyond awful.
Why the fuck are you lying?
>>340605613
Sometimes even less then 480
Remember it is 1998!
>>340605584
>ps zelda ii was universally reviled in its time
LOL
>>340599817
post more screenshots and enemy sprites you nigger
>>340605805
lol. i was there kiddo.
universally reviled. worst reception of any game on the nintendo.
>>340605613
I forgot what magazine it was but they rated the best graphics as oot
>>340605584
>ps zelda ii was universally reviled in its time
confirmed for not knowing fucking anything
>>340605885
I took that screenshot myself but I finished the game already.
Only takes me about an hour and a half to go from start to the end of the demo.
There better be a sticky after the torrent is out. We've waited for this for over a decade.
>>340605910
Either your brains gone rotten or you're lying.
If I'm wrong, prove it.
>>340599817
You fucking shit, i thought it was out already
>>340605997
yes i'm going to prove the popular opinion about a video game from like 1990 anon
picture if you would a world with no internet and no video game magazines in stores
picture a crowd of children who all played zelda, excited to see that zelda 2 is coming out
picture the crowd of children when zelda 2 has nothing to fucking do whatsoever with zelda 1 has trash gameplay
among the worst reception of any game ive ever seen, and #1 on the nintendo.
the more you know. you can revise history all you want but I WAS THERE KIDS.
>>340605991
There probably won't be a torrent. The game is fairly small.
Current version is only 50 MB.
>>340606050
It sort of is. You can play all the way up to the point where you have every beam and power bombs.
Second to last area I believe.
>>340601528
That's what Samus usually does to the local wildlife of whatever planet she lands on.
>>340606156
I was there too mother fucker and me and my friends loved Zelda II.
It was not reviled in any way, shape or form.
yeah have this in the meantime
http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=18620.0
>>340606262
>those graphics
neat
>>340605910
Just because you and your friends didn't like it doesn't make it "universally reviled." It had high reviews, it wasn't.
And don't try to convince me that you think that your opinion as a fucking child counts more than anyone elses, your opinion is worth shit.
>>340606241
>It was not reviled in any way, shape or form.
and yet it's the lowest selling major zelda except majora's mask.
the game was reviled. Your friends liked it because you were friends so one of you liked it and then all the other ones shared the opinion. that is what children do.
>>340606156
>among the worst reception of any game ive ever seen
You mean, among your small group of friends. Idiot.
>>340606397
>the game was reviled
Prove it.
>>340606374
>nintendo power reviewed zelda ii highly
will wonders never cease. Do you want to name another magazine that reviewed nintendo games in 1989 and had any significant amount of circulation?
>my friends
i didn't have any friends. fucking disparate-ass groups of kids hated the game.
>>340606397
>and yet it's the lowest selling major zelda except majora's mask.
So I guess Majora's Mask was SERIOUSLY reviled, then?
That's what you're implying, right?
>>340606397
>Your friends liked it because you were friends so one of you liked it and then all the other ones shared the opinion. that is what children do.
I agree
So why the fuck are you trying to pass off your opinion as a child like it's a fact, you retard?
I played Super first but after playing Zero Mission, Super's controls just feel clunky to me now. I can still play it to completion it just takes me longer to get used to the controls and get into the game now. While with ZM I can just hop in no problem.
>>340605008
The sole idea of sequence breaking and how the game is built around optional hidden mechanisms allowing you to postpone entire parts of the game make it a better game than the 3/4 of what you can find on the market.
>>340606564
no, majora's mask was released years after most people sold their N64s. Just a dumb decision. Why isn't it a gamecube game?
Guess what: It's possible to evaluate individual instances of things happening and rationalize what happened in each instance. I know people here are bad at that, or even understanding the possibility, but I assure you it's there.
>>340604273
Considering the guy is planning to release it for free I don't think Nintendo really cares. Now if money got involved or he tried to pass it off as an official Nintendo product then you should get worried.
I don't have Metroid in my NES right now, OP.
>>340606518
>>340606518
>do you want to name another magazine that reviewed nintendo games in 1989 and had any significant amount of circulation?
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://geimin.net/da/db/cross_review/
>>340606908
>it sold a lot of copies
on its name. of course it sold a lot of copies.
>reviewer scores
lol, i forgot that neo/v/ thinks those are important
oh look, sandy petersen, someone i immensely respect, thinks zelda ii is mediocre what a surprise
of course you wouldnt know who that is.
>>340607069
Nigger move along and quit ruining my AM2R thread.
>>340606968
>zelda 2
>36 points
>famitsu
>40 points
man what happened to them
i'll tell you guys something interesting, in the 90s receiving a 40 from famitsu was considered like receiving a blowjob from god
>fast forward to 2011
>5 40s awarded
what the fuck 0 good games whatsoever came out in the year 2011
>>340607069
man, just fuck off already
go be wrong somewhere else
>>340599817
I was actually playing Super Metroid over the past week. Never played any Metroid game before, and I thought it was pretty cool. I can see how it built the following it has.I'm sorry Federation Force exists.
>>340607069
Do you know what the words "universally reviled" mean, you senile fuck?
You've been proven wrong and you're moving the goalposts.
>>340607198
err that should read
>nintendogs
>40 points
sorry im tired
>>340607201
>you're wrong because of my revisionist history! I was told to like this game by /v/ and I have good opinions on old video games!
I could tell you like 20 games that are better games from the era than Zelda 2 and you've never heard of them but you just want to argue over meaningless shit
>>340607198
2011 had SpaceChem and Rayman Origins.
Looking forward to this one when it's actually finished. Metroid II is one of my favorite games in the series. I like it more than Fusion and possibly even more than Zero Mission.
>>340607303
No one is impressed that you dislike a well-liked game, that you know the names of NES games, or that you know the name of an ID employee (what the fuck)
Shoo.
>>340607425
Well the metroid 2 remake plays pretty much just like Zero Mission. Without the statues telling you where to go.
>>340607303
>I could tell you like 20 games that are better games from the era than Zelda 2
Your opinions on what games are better than Zelda II are irrelevant to the idea that Zelda II was universally "reviled."
>>340607547
it's not about impressing you, what i'm trying to tell you is that if you pulled your head out of your ass there are better games.
How many of you have played actraiser, i wonder. It's like a 100 times better version of zelda 2
>>340607559
>Without the statues telling you where to go.
Weren't you able to turn those off in ZM?
>>340607303
>I could tell you like 20 games that are better games from the era than Zelda 2 and you've never heard of them
I doubt you could name even 5 NES games I haven't heard of.
>>340599817
Because backtracking is a trope born out of cartridge's limited rom space and not a design paradigm that should be in any modern game.
It's a hack around shitty technology, nothing more.
>>340607683
Nope, but you were able to skip/ignore all of them except the very first one.
>>340606836
>years after
>a year after OoT
Stop talking.
Zelda has never even had a good game. What the fuck?
>>340607762
Nice bait.
>>340607673
When the fuck did I say that there weren't better games than Zelda 2? I'm aruging with you about your nonsense claim about Zelda 2 being hated, but I guess you already forgot what you were talking about.
Yes, I have heard of and played the very well-known NES game Actraiser.
Get some sleep, you're cranky.
>>340601469
Just play fucking super metroid sean you fucking faggot.
>>340599817
Because he still hasn't fucking finished it.
It sounds like he's coming close, but then he did two years ago also.
Well, still going to be a masterpiece compared to anything nintendo has shit onto a plate in over a decade.
Sure there's the prime games, but that was retro.
>>340607819
>a year
2 years, anon. two years makes a pretty fucking huge difference when playstation 2 is out and the internet is spreading.
go ahead and tell me that playstation 2 didn't affect n64 game sales after 2000 though. go ahead.
>>340607902
>we were only talking about nes games
i said from the era. 8 to 32 bit is a contiguous era.
>>340607673
Actraiser is an SNES game that came out years after Zelda II, nig nog.
The combat's pretty shallow and the game pretty easy compared to Zelda II as well.
It's also not even remotely obscure.
>>340608156
>actraiser is easy
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahha
"challenge" coming from bad controls and design isn't difficulty anon. actraiser is one of the hardest snes games which you'd know if you had ever played it
>i watched a let's play!
>>340608096
that's actually wrong, 8 to 16 bit is one contiguous era.
>>340608096
I didn't say that we were only talking about NES games.
I can also name 20 better games.
Adventure of Link was not 'universally reviled' just because you didn't like it.
You're wrong and you're making up things to argue against.
Take your pills.
>>340608296
>actraiser is one of the hardest snes games
If you fucking suck at video games maybe.
>>340608296
You're a crazy person speaking crazy words
Actraiser wasn't that hard.
>>340608296
>actraiser is one of the hardest snes games which you'd know if you had ever played it
Fuck off, retard.
>>340608461
bruh i doubt you could get past stage 3 legitimately
go ahead and tell me how easy it is after you youtube/FAQd patterns for every boss though
>>340608573
I rented Actraiser and beat it over the weekend you delusional shit.
>>340608573
Nigger I'm the person who was born in 1980 and I bought Actraiser when it was new.
No guides no nothing and I schooled the shit out of that game.
It was not hard.
Now get out and quit ruining my thread.
This isn't an average Metroid thread at least, but that seems to be a mixed blessing.
>>340608096
>1885-2000
>3 different console generations
>shift from 2D to 3D
>shift from no space to enough space for video and voice acting and other cinematic stuff
>one single era, within which everything can be compared to everything else easily
WAT
>>340608296
>actraiser is easy
I said compared to Zelda II.
Overall it's just sort of average.
>actraiser is one of the hardest snes games which you'd know if you had ever played it
Are you maybe thinking of ActRaiser 2? That one's fairly difficult, though even that ain't shit compared to stuff like R-Type III, Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts, or Umihara Kawase.
>Zelda II
>bad controls
How?
>i watched a let's play!
Oh yeah, that's probably the explanation right there.
>>340608673
wow you beat a game over a weekend in which you probably played it for 16+ hours? a game that's about 2 hours long?
>>340608986
>1885
just kill me
Please stop responding to the mentally ill old man. He probably has it hard enough and we're just creating extra stress for him.
>>340599817
Maybe because the demo hasn't been updated in ages and it's not complete yet.
>>340608696
fuck your thread bitch, you made me click on it by deceptively acting as if the fucking thing was out. this is my thread now
remember this shit the next time you decide to waste someones 7 seconds
>>340608986
>Umihara Kawase
we aren't discussing games that you would've had 0 chance to play, ever, during the era.
>>340604504
this is why they didn't get paid for it
>>340609227
>we aren't discussing games that you would've had 0 chance to play, ever, during the era.
Why not?
And either way, what of R-Type III and Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts?
But I am.
>>340609324
What of them? Darius games are a lot harder than r-type 3. SGnG is very hard, but GNG is designed with quarter-muncher design so it isn't really challenge but bullshit. You have to acknowledge the differences in design intent.
>>340609341
This game could use some custom textures.
Then again they'd probably fuck up the art style.
Every time i try to play this, it freezes on the main menu a lot. If it doesn't freeze on the main menu, it freezes anytime i try to save. Every time it freezes i have to restart my pc.
>>340609704
Then fix your PC?
>>340609704
try running in compatibility mode for windows xp and disabling desktop composition/aero or whatever. its in the compat settings.
ive never opened the executable and i bet that will work. 'cause i'm good.
>>340604132
>But they definitely knew what they were doing with infinite bomb jumps and wall jumps.
Some of it, sure. But I doubt they intended for you to be able to jump across that grapple beam room on the way to the pirate ship without even getting the high jump boots.
>>340609520
>Darius games are a lot harder than r-type 3
Well okay, but there are no Darius games worth talking about on the SNES.
>SGnG is very hard, but GNG is designed with quarter-muncher design so it isn't really challenge but bullshit
Only the random elements are bullshit, and only sometimes. The games are generally pretty reasonable otherwise.
But I dunno, I've beaten the games, and I play through Ghouls 'n Ghosts for fun every handful of months, so my perspective here is maybe a bit fucked.
quick what's the best super metroid romhack?
>>340609972
gng is cheap and if you've played it over and over (for some reason) it's worn off on you.
>>340610207
Super Metroid Redesign.
>>340610207
Super Metroid Phazon
>>340610186
I wish that the ice section of bryyo was longer. That part of prime 3 was so damn comfy. Too bad you spend like 5 min in that area.
>>340610207
Hyper Metroid
Best boss in the 2D metroids.
>>340610072
It really is the most atmospheric game on Gamecube. Still my favourite game on that console. Maybe even of all time.
Amazing.
>>340611909
nah
>>340599817
What's your idea for a Metroid game after Fusion, 2d or 3d?
>Implying this will come out
You retards never learn
>>340614271
Why would it not? Looks like it's in the final stages.
>>340614262
Metroid Prime Trilogy but with good controls pic related
>>340614271
The game is practically finished. Only the final boss needs to be worked on.
>>340614262
2D handheld. preferably still pixelated. But if they can make 2,5D work like the old games, then it's fine.
3D would be amazing , but I would only accept it from Retro Studios. Here's hoping for an NX Prime revival.
>>340614262
Alternatively, post the craziest idea you've seen.
>>340610207
Super Metroid Redesign or Cliffhanger.
>>340614391
I'd like to see Klonoa style 2.5D. Have the 2D paths weave around and branch and connect in 3D space, and have a crazy 3D map, rather than just be a 2D game with 3D graphics.
Might be cool.
>>340601778
Super is easy, but for my kindergarten self it was the hardest game I ever played. Zero is good balance
>>340604842
The Elder Scrolls series must have you shitting diamonds if that's the case.
>>340599817
can't be the best if it's not done.
>>340614567
It's just that working that the pixelated style works so well for hiding secrets. In blocks and the like.
Having that kind of 3D environment would make it pretty hard for that kind of gameplay. Since it wouldn't really feel like that kind of metroid anymore.
But still, Prime is an example that metroid-style secret hunting can work very will in a 3D space.
>>340614479
>space pirates in reverse engineered chozo suits with all of samus' abilities
jesus christ
>>340614701
Kind of a retarded comparison to make, since Super Metroid is open-ended in a very different way than an Elder Scrolls game is.
>>340616170
>I'd say it's definitely one of the best games ever made. The amount of freedom you have to traverse the map, whether wholly intentional or not, is remarkable.
>>340616376
Yeah, and I stand by what I said. But the way in which the game gives you that freedom is important.
>>340616539
How is it any better than an open world RPG? It's only more restrictive.
>>340616657
Because you actually have to figure how to get to where you need to go? In Elder Scrolls getting to a certain location is just a matter of checking your map and walking there 99% of the time. If you want to get to Ridley's lair before Kraid, it requires a great deal of knowledge and skill on the player's part to make that happen.
How is Prime Trilogy on WiiU eshop? Is the resolution better?
Any nice Metroid-hack recommendations?
>>340617075
Hyper Metroid, Project Base, Metroid Phazon are all good
>>340616801
>it requires a great deal of knowledge and skill on the player's part to make that happen
a.k.a. reading it up on the internet
>>340614262
Let's have a Metroid game without metroids, or at least even fewer metroids than Fusion. I think we could survive one. I don't know if the Federation coming after Samus is likely because Nintendo wouldn't want her murdering humans. But you could use the Federation hunting Samus as a reason for her to go seeking bounty hunting jobs in a seedier part of the galaxy, and maybe treating human federation troopers she wouldn't want to kill like SA-X/Zero Mission Zero Suit sections, possibly made easier later in game once you get the Ice Beam. It'd be a way to have a new setting for the franchise, a populated city/colony/station and you could introduce lots of new sentient species and maybe reference the species in scans and mangas that haven't been in games yet.
It should be 3D and 3rd person, since that'd be novel for the IP. The game plays like the Jango Fett Star Wars Bounty Hunter game updated and with a grapple beam hookshot/whip a la Skyward Sword, maybe the dodge mechanics and melee ideas from Other M, and an apartment Samus rents out as a place for thematically noir scenes where she narrates about what clues and leads she's discovered between missions.
As for the overall plot, maybe someone hid the reasons that justify her actions in Fusion, so it's similar to her being framed in that evidence that would exonerate is being withheld. So she's on a mission to clear her name or uncover a Federation conspiracy. I'm spit balling here and it'd certainly be a departure from the established Metroid form/s, but I think it makes a lot of sense in terms of story post-Fustion and while adding new things that haven't been in other Metroid games.
Basically my idea is just a combination of the early versions of Prime and her origin manga.
>>340617191
lolno, that just tells you the route. You still need to know how to get through there without getting ripped apart, which is where most of the skill comes into play. Not to mention the fact that just getting into Lower Norfair at all with minimal equipment is an ordeal in and of itself.
>>340617191
>a.k.a. reading it up on the internet
Only if you suck at videogames.
>>340617497
Just like in any decent open world game.
>>340617559
Tell me more about those amazing speedrunning glitches you've found as a 7yo
>>340617794
I didn't play Super Metroid until I was 19, senpai
>>340617165
Thanks, I'll try 'em all, specially Hyper metroid, witch looks pretty neat.
>>340618135
Sounds like you suck at finding videogames
>>340617376
great game
>>340617794
>Just like in any decent open world game.
No, not really. There's not many open world games that let you do crazy shit like that from the get-go.
oh boy, a non-shit/GF_Sybb-free Metroid thread
time to finally post this
>>340618487
cute, fascinated with round objects Samus is better than serious, violent Samus
What will happen once fed force fails?
>>340618880
everything's right in the world
Tanabe will fuck off like Sakamoto and come back when he's in shape again.which he need to do the same for Paper Mario
>>340614262
This might be heresy to some, but I'd like a 2D game starring a new character. It would be nice to see some new abilities and some new designs. This could be accomplished with Samus too, technically, but it would be neat to play as some other bounty hunter. Like one of the guys from Hunters or something. I don't think Samus herself is all that vital to what makes Metroid special.
>>340618880
you're implying FF will be a success anytime?handheld Primes were never good
>>340619052
Also, to clarify: I think a new character would motivate the developers to freshen things up, or at least give them some more flexibility.
>>340618649
Most of them do actually.
>>340619187
wat
>>340619423
Most of them let you reach and defeat the penultimate boss with a gear setup you're not even intended to have, requiring brutally difficult techniques, shortly after beginning the game? Really? Not many like that come to mind, tbqhwyf.
>>340618880
>Metroid fans celebrate
>assblasted Nintendrones will be the only ones defending it like Star Fox Zero and soon Color Splash
>anti-Metroid shitposters in /v/ go out as doomsayers saying this marks the end of Metroid
>or disguise as Mario thread purists bitching about Prime
>Tanabe will be sent to the mobile department like Sakamoto
>both of them get whipped by General Manager of SPD, Shinya Takahashi, telling them to stop fucking up.
>couple of years later, on the 35th/40th anniversary,Metroid 5: Dread and Metroid "Beyond" Prime have been announced for the NX>Shiggy, after learning his mistakes, starts his 3rd Person Metroid project with Retro
>>340610207
I liked Darkholme Hospital
>>340620114
that was a shit Super Metroid hack tho
>>340620230
Fuck you.
>>340602585
fed force isn't even out so you can't judge it yet
>>340620335
it's doomed as fuck anyways so no point of defense
NLG shoud've done a new Punch-Out or Strikers than wasting time with another 3DS game.
>>340599817
Nintendo should file a lawsuit. This isn't right what they're doing. literally illegal.
>>340620674
no, Nintendo should license it than take it down. Would be a fantastic PR strategy to win a couple of fans back to Nintendo.
>>340616801
> it requires a great deal of knowledge and skill on the player's part to make that happen
Because you arent supposed to go there first you dense motherfucker.
The gameplay in metroidvania games is literally walk until you hit locked door. Repeat until door not locked.
Sequence breaking is not deliberate. It represents a failing on the part of the developer to restrict the player in the way they clearly intended. And before you make the stupid fighting game combo comparison, yeah sometimes developers embrace what was originally a mistake and make it into a game mechanic. That hasn't happened in metroidvanias making it clear that you stupid fucks are obssessing over some minor autismal detail that motherfucking no one else cares about.
>>340606778
>is built around
Except it's very fucking obviously NOT "built around" sequence breaking. If you think it's deliberate you're a moron.
>>340617497
>>340616801
You can ignore the objective if you want nigger. You can walk into the area that's full of FUCK YOU monsters and get chewed up and find powerful weapons because you ventured into the unintended areas. But you don't have to exploit developer oversights to do so.
>>340621043
>Sequence breaking is not deliberate. It represents a failing on the part of the developer to restrict the player in the way they clearly intended
What does that even matter? If it makes the game more interesting, who gives a fuck if it was intentional?
>>340621434
You're judging your subjective experience of the game. Saying
>Super Metroid is the best because sequence breaking
Isn't fair to the other titles. You aren't actually judging "Super Metroid" as it was intended to be played. Which is fine I guess but completely unproductive and retarded to expect devs to replicate.
If you want to masturbate to playing Super Metroid over and over for the rest of time fine. If you think it has a meaningful bearing on a fair comparison to any other game then you need to check in to a psyche ward. I might as well say a game has brilliant artwork because of a texture giltch I thought looked cool.
>>340621727
I don't give two shits about how a game is "meant to be played". I judge games based on how interesting they end up being, whether that's by design or by accident. I also never said I expected devs to try replicate it, I don't know where you got that shit from.
>>340622078
I got it from all you stupid fuckers and your ceaseless bitching whenever something doesn't live up to the messianic image you've built up of a game based on its fucking glitches.
And whether you give a shit about how stupid your criteria are does not make them less stupid.
>>340621043
>The gameplay in metroidvania games is literally walk until you hit locked door. Repeat until door not locked.
That's sadly true of the actual Metroid game's I've played. I've said it before, but the better Zelda games are superior to Metroid in any way you can think of, as they are deliberately structured to be open ended and make more creative uses of your abilities intentionally.
>>340599817
But anon, I AM playing the best Method game ever made.
>>340622307
Jesus what are you even talking about anymore? I gave my opinion on a game I like, not issued a decree about how all games should be designed. Calm down.
>>340619868
You haven't played many games, so what do you expect? Yet you imply that some do, ergo that SM is hardly somehow special in this aspect.
>>340622762
Yeah, there's a couple that do. I don't think the way they do it is as interesting as the way SM does, though.
>>340622695
Stop responding to it.
>>340622949
>I don't think the way they do it is as interesting as the way SM does, though.
Why though?
>>340606515
TAKE A POOP IN FRONT OF US
>logbook updated
Oh, fantastic. Another game ruined by prime fags and their lore and scanning autism. At least this is a fan game and I still have the original metroid 2 to play (which is coincidently my 3rd favorite metroid game)
>>340599817
Metroids are too much of a pain in the ass to kill in this. Seeing missles bounce off almost everywhere on the alpha metroids was annoying
>>340622695
Don't pretend you don't know the type of tard I profiled you as. The general anger and impatience comes from the hordes of those autists found in EVERY Metroid thread. Every single one.
They circlejerk over sequence breaks so hard that I wouldn't be surprised to find they have descendants from /a/ judging by their extraordinary dicksucking prowess.
>>340623160
Because a lot of the cases where you can do that, it just involves making a beeline for the main quest/ final boss location, and the way it plays out isn't radically different. You're just cutting out all the bullshit in between. In Super Metroid, going through Lower Norfair as soon as you can requires you to play way differently than you would if you had the intended items. You need to use a bunch of different techniques to make up for your lack of abilities.
>>340599817
>new log entry
This shit is anti-metroid. Developers should get fucked.
>>340623458
Should have specified that it's Super Metroid sequence breaking they fawn over, but that was probably obviously implied anyways.
>>340614479
>>340623841
>There are people in this tread right now who don't think that Prime series is the best thing that happened to the Metroid IP
>>340599817
I thought AM2R was out.Fuck you op
>>340611909
>http://metroid2remake.blogspot.com/
he still gives me the creeps.
