>mccree nerfs because E+Rclick kill combo is too toxic
what if I told you there's a mccree with 600 health and an equally reliable kill combo that works at any range and does more damage
yeah but fuck you mcnigger can just right click all day
>>340573284
>More damage
Not true, McCree does about 500 dmg Roadhog does 150 or so
>>340573284
Who? You mean roadhog?
Mcree can kill every hero in the game with his combo while roadhog can't.
>>340573284
roadhog is gigantic and slow as shit, and his hook is on a delay unlike mcree's hitscan bullets
>mcree shitters on full damage control
Nerfs can't come soon enough for you fags
>>340573717
>hitscan bullets
More like huge hitboxes
Roadhog has to actually aim his hook
>Playing Overwatch
you have already lost
>>340574040
>aiming a 40ft wide hook
>>340573284
Roadhog's hook and gun isn't nearly as powerful as WHOA THERE, EASY. Fuck off, McCreefags.
>>340573883
That's Hanzo. McCree's revolver is hitscan.
>>340573596
Roadhog's full combo tops out at around 350-400 damage with headshots
This is assuming you are good enough to right click while throwing your hook at perfect range though.
>>340574240
>McCreefags desperately trying to convince people their easymode character doesn't need to get nerfed
>>340574187
>Implying the hook is 40 feet wide
>>340573284
Let me guess, McCree player.
Enjoy your future confirmed nerf,
>>340574569
not a mccree player, just a fatass hater
>>340573284
PLUS THE GOOD ROADHOG PLAYERS ALSO THROW IN MELEE HIT
I don't play McCree but he doesn't need nerfing. If you nerf him he'll end up useless, you can counter him if you're smart, the game shouldn't be balanced around 1v1, it's a 6v6 game
Hey Lucio players,Mercy is an objectively better pick for payload.
So the hook has infinite range?
>>340574914
Hey Mercy players, your character has the lowest skill ceiling in the game
>>340574730
The nerf they say they are implementing is perfect, he could still kill any hero except a full health tank. It's bullshit that a McCree can take down a Reinhardt in one combo it's absolutely ridiculous.
>>340574914
Well that makes sense because the payload does group healing to top up the only minimally damaged and Mercy can concentrate on the heavily damaged
>>340574914
>>340574953
No, not at all.
>>340574972
And what does that have to do with her being the optimal choice when transporting a payload?
>>340574972
Not a Mercy player, but it's pretty easy to tell the difference between a good Mercy and a bad one.
>>340574730
>the game shouldn't be balanced around 1v1, it's a 6v6 game
This, sick of sperges shouting for nerfs because they're dumbfucks who get separated from their team and keep dying
>>340574972
Ahem
>>340574187
>long
>>340574914
Fucking this
Lucio offers next to nothing in terms of extra damage and his passive heal is shit for active combat. His ult is almost on part with Mercy since it can be deployed proactively to counter team wiping ults but that requires the Lucio to be good. Most are fucking not.
Meanwhile Mercy heals far better and her damage buff outputs more damage on average then stray Lucio beats. Ult is also very strong since it can be used AFTER the team fucks up to save the day. Making it far more forgiving and it charges twice as fast.
If you are going to take the healing role don't be a nigger, pick Mercy.
>>340573284
stun 6-shot roll 6-shot
probably 900+ damage
your only defense: be to far away
>>340573717
>slow as shit
Do Overwatch characters even have different movespeeds?
>>340573284
Except Roadhog is pretty much useless until his hook recharges (outside of nailing people with fragmented trashballs at a very specific range) where McCree is good at any range.
Even Roadhog's shotgun regular fire is awful due to the massive spread, you do barely any damage with it unless every single pellet hits, which can only happen at point blank range so never happens so is only ever really good for finishing people off.
>>340574102
>stop liking what i don't like
Honestly his fan fire doesn't bother me nearly as much as his flashbang does that thing is just straight up annoying. Why would they assume something that removes all control from a player is fun the only time that should happen is when a player's dead. While Mei can be annoying Reinhardt has a very limited use of his stun but McCree is just awful with that grenade the majority of characters just have no counter to it.
>>340575338
nope.
I honestly think roadhogs cone should be smaller or at least a longer cooldown.
>>340575338
Yes, absolutely. A lot of them have their own movement ability as well and Lucio can provide a group based speed boost aura which can even be temporarily amplified
>>340574387
do you have a video of someone doing it?
I want to learn it.
>>340574972
That's not McCree.
>>340575238
Mercy Main here, the only place I see Lucio being better is on king of the hill because things tend to be a clusterfuck and you can get better coverage with the passive.
And
>It's a team all goes in one at a time episode, negating the entire purpose of even having a fucking healer.
>>340575471
Flashbang should have a .5 second delay primer that lasts for 6 seconds and detonates on proximity. If it lands directly on an enemy the next shot detonates it.
>>340575238
Except Lucio can
>heal the whole team at once with his aura
>speedboat most the whole team with his aura
>knock people off the map
>avoid being hit with his manlet hitbox
>deal the same amount of damage as a mercy if played correctly
>prevent massive damage ults and push aggressively with his ult
Mercy is only good for her ult. Lucio can do so much more. Speed aura is broken if used correctly.
>>340574914
>mfw Luciofags on /v/ keep spamming that he's the best support and Mercy is useless
>mfw his pick rate in tournaments dropped from 100% and he's rotated out with Symmetra of all people on some maps
>>340575651
At least McCree has to get close enough to people.
Mercy just hides behind a corner holding heal indefinitely, not even aiming properly
>>340575612
You are meant to shoot the trashball at them, have it blow up and hit them, throw the hook at them before it blows up, pull them in, meatshot them then melee them.
>>340575701
that is one upset horse!
>>340573596
McCree's combo does a maximum potential damage of 865. (25 from Flashbang, 420 from each Fan The Hammer)
>>340574914
But Lucio's speed mode speeds up the payload.
>>340573284
you mean widowmaker bodyhit spam?
>>340575471
>>340575706
Because if there's no immobilization skills then characters with insanely high mobility like Tracer and Genji will be over powered.
You ever play against a good tracer on KOTH? That bitch drags over time out FOREVER.
>>340575651
McCree has a substantially high skill ceiling.
That's part of his problem. Even if you remove his flashbang he's still very good in the hands of someone who can hit his shots. His flashbang just lets retards get easy kills without any retaliation.
Grandpa 76 is the best meme to come out of Overwatch
prove me wrong
>it's an 'a bunch of idea guys spout their shitty uneducated opinions' episode
>>340574972
Lucio takes way less skill to be good at than mercy.
>>340573284
>>>/vg/
it's a nice place
>>340573284
>>>/vg/
go here
McCree's combo does about 800 damage and can one-shot literally everything, including Roadhog, Reinhardt (can throw the flashbang above his shield) and molten core turrets (flashbang works on them)
Roadhog's combo only reliably kills squishies, or at the very least doesn't instantly murder tanks
I don't understand how people think McCree isn't broken and he's supposed to be able to 100-0 tanks with ease and win 1v2s
>>340575925
The babby Dva ones are better.
>>340575985
>>340576071
>17:43:33
>17:44:34
>>340575985
>>340576071
You're too late for that janitor position, Mr. Freeman.
>>340575967
Lucio involves actual aiming and can't keep somebody up if they're <30% health taking damage.
Mercy is way too much of a safety net
>mfw people get emotionally invested with characters in a game where you're supposed to pick the best hero for the job
>>340576180
why not both?
>>340575985
>>340576071
Holy fuck dat salt.
>>340574914
Hey Mercyfags, how does it feel being useless aside from your ult.
http://www.pcgamer.com/the-stats-dont-lie-lucio-is-overwatchs-most-valuable-hero/
>Symmetra is currently sitting pretty with the highest overall winrate at 61.7%, but is also the least picked of any hero. Meanwhile Mercy is bringing up the rear with a 48% winrate, despite being the most-picked hero in the game followed closely in popularity by Lucio who, as mentioned, is near or at the top of pretty much every column.
Stop complaining about 1v1 faggot, the game will never be balanced around that
>>340575745
>heal the whole team at once with his aura
At a piddle pace. As I mentioned, useless in combat. Kinda handle post fight but all it takes is a Mercy changing targets for half a second.
>speedboat most the whole team with his aura
Sounds incredibly useful. Only used a single team the entire match at the very beginning. No one ever switching to speed in fights and 1 person if you're lucky died at the same point you did to get back into the fight at faster pace.
>knock people off the map
Very very map specific. More of a perk then a strength.
>avoid being hit with his manlet hitbox
The only fucking reason this piece of shit character is even remotely viable.
>deal the same amount of damage as a mercy if played correctly
Not exactly a huge plus since Mercy is a heal slut and Lucio is supposed to be the "offensive" healing support. Also it usually isn't even true if you have a half decent damage dealer on your team. That damage boost is fucking nutty on someone who can aim.
>prevent massive damage ults and push aggressively with his ult
Already covered this. Lucio has to be proactive with his ult which means the player must have his shit on a swivel. Mercy can just fly in and rez the entire team after the enemy expends all their ults.
Overall Mercy is better.
>>340575886
>Have a McGree owning snipers and other people at long range.
>Enemy team McGree gets a card because he had the intelligence of a 4 year or to spam flash and right click.
>The game actually rewards you by using McGree as a retard.
>>340573284
Dude just use junkrat.
And stay at a relative distance from any McCree.
>McCree trying to "whoa there, easy" me
>deploy bear trap and bombs and explode the fuck away
>kill the fucker with bombs
>>340576232
>>340576221
>Mercy's main advantage means she doesn't take skill.
>Lucio's passive AOE heal requires aiming.
>>340574102
But I win most rounds.
This game needs a bunnyhopping railgun using hero.
>>340576345
where the fuck is the uncensored version
>>340575884
True. I bring Mei for that but I see your point. Issue is he terminates tanks like nothing with that same flash/fan combo. It doesn't just rekt squishy fast mover. It fucking bends over the entire roster.
>>340576490
but it already has mccree
>>340575442
Liked it for a week then I realized it's a casual shitfest. Any mechanic worth actually learning is countered by the press of a button.
Denying it's a shitty casual FPS just makes you even more autistic
>>340576194(you)
>>340576217(you)
>>340576243(you)
>>340576345
>competative teams run 2 Lucios on KotH
>anon on /v/ claims Lucio is barely viable
>>340576508
In my folder. Cannot post because I like this 4chan pass.
>Overwatch
>competitive
>>340575192
Isn't Reaper useless as fuck until he gets an Ult?
>>340576624
>koth
>game mode where pushing or defending isn't relevant and the only objective is to stay alive the longest in a particular area
>horseshit hitbox wall riding self healing Dj pollywog is popular
You don't say?
>>340574102
>>340576624
Anon they'll just say the competitive teams have no idea what they're doing, while at the same time not getting a team together and winning what should essentially be free money to them.
>>340573284
Look forward to about 5000% more Roadhogs who can now heal through any damage in the game with mcree nerfed
>>340576345
>Not exactly a huge plus since Mercy is a heal slut and Lucio is supposed to be the "offensive" healing support. Also it usually isn't even true if you have a half decent damage dealer on your team. That damage boost is fucking nutty on someone who can aim.
>Damage boost a widowmaker as the round starts on hanamura.
>4 assists in 30 seconds.
>>340576781
so is Lucio good or is he not
you seem confused
Roadhog's hook has to be on point and he's a big target with no mobility ability.
McCree is a small target that can roll and his flashbang only need to be aimed in the general direction of his target.
>>340574914
I tend to have more fun withZenyettaon payload attack
I kick ass with Junkrat on defence though
>>340576419
And it does such little healing it's fucking useless in an actual battle if somebody is being focused down
>>340575564
everyone has the same movespeed except for genji and tracer who are slightly faster
>>340576345
If you believe that speed boost is only viable at the beginning of the round, then you obviously haven't played long enough to see a good Lucio.
>>340574387
> With Headshots
McCree's does that much without the headshots.
>>340576624
>Saying Lucio is barely viable
>The original post said that Mercy is a better choice for Payload.
wew
>>340576898
He is good at staying alive while doing nothing.
>>340576723
Reaper destroys snipers for the team
>>340575192
How does a character with a teleport move have a low skill ceiling?
>>340575165
Not a 1v1? Tell that to the paste eaters I have been stuck with the past 35+ levels as they go chasing after Tracers, Widowmakers, and anyone else who can easily get away while I just cleared the point/payload.
>>340576817
thx
>>340576969
Level 72
When do the "good" Lucio's show up?
>>340576345
Post the D.Va one.
>>340573284
Roadhog has zero longe-range options.
>>340573284
No, McCree needs a nerf badly. I got sniped by his "HIIIIIGH NOOOON" in Temple of Anubis from half the map away.
>>340577036
>not dieing is essential to winning
>Lucio is great at not dieing
>therefore Lucio is shit
>>340575564
No. Genji, tracer, Lucio have faster speed. Everyone else is the same
Lucio's healing isn't strong enough to be effective, Mercy will always be better
>>340573284
>equally reliable
you have to aim the hook, you dont have to aim the flashbang
also the hook is far less reliable, sometimes you won't kill sommeone with 1 flak gun shot for some reason, or the hook will fail to pull them directly in front of you and put them to your side
also max range hooks give you enough time to back away or use an escape ability before roadhog can instakill you
if you actually play roadhog you'll find the hook is really not as good as you think it is
>>340577071
>Trying to capture the point after clearing it out with Zarya ult and a Soldier 76
>team is running around trying to chase a Genji
EVERY.
FUCKING.
TIME
>>340577049
The teleport move isn't even remotely hard to use or tactical
>>340577203
>hook
>>340577126
You're not level 72
>>340577278
>or tactical
Except when clearing out snipers or healers
>People crying for Mccree nerfs
>Mercy's ult generation rate is still fucking insane
>Widowmaker charge time untouched
>Zenyatta still allergic to existing
Not that Mccree didn't need it but Blizzard hasn't even addressed the rest.
>>340577206
should've taken cover faggot
>>340577126
When you get out of your shit skill level.
>>340577235
Lucio can actually do some sick montage plays instead of being a bitch
>>340577280
It doesnt have as good a range as people seem to think. Plus at a certain distance its easy to see it coming towards you.
>>340577203
It'd be hilarious if Valve added a kiwi hero and he had a similar aesthetic to the two australian heroes
>>340577213
>who is better at helping the team?
>champion that heals the front line and buffs damage along with reviving fallen friendlies
>champion that is hard to kill does mediocre healing and must ult before the enemy to prevent wipes
Gee wilikers I dun no
>>340577278
Okay, that means it has a low skill floor, not ceiling
>>340577225
Is that only Lucio with his movement aura though?
>>340577280
That's mid range
>>340576723
He melts tanks if used correctly.
>>340574914
I'll be happy to pick Mercy as soon as she gets a singing voiceline of "MOVING WITH DA PAYLOAD"
>>340577341
>>Mercy's ult generation rate is still fucking insane
She needs something over Lucio.
>>340577341
There are two ways to buff zenyatta
Either give him armor or increase his health by 25
Both will allow him to survive one widow bodyshot
>>340575238
>one of the most famous "military strategy in a nutshell" quotes ever written is "get there firstest with the mostest"
>pretty much lucio what lucio does in a nutshell
Mercy has no reliable escape and can easily be singled out and rekt by any flanker. Lucio can bug out at any time and also has his knockback cannon.
Mercy is pretty much a Bastion-tier "OP" gimmick for nubs that don't know how to counterpick and focus.
What the fuck am I supposed to do when the team on defense has 2 torbjorns and a Bastion this is beyond retarded why haven't THESE faggots been nerfed yet who gives a fuck about Mccree
>>340577341
I hope Blizzard addresses a lot of dumb shit
>Soldier 76 has a pistol he never uses
>Symmetra turrets can be destroyed through walls
>Zenyatta can trigger junk traps (this nigga's floating how the shit)
>Zarya's M1 sounds incredibly pitiful even when fully charged
>Hanzo hitboxes
>>340576578
>casual FPS
I like those. You can't say i don't.
Widowmaker is the biggest threat you will face, people over level 40 knows this.
>>340577540
>Mercy has no reliable escape
Holy shit have you ever played Mercy?
>>340577542
use 3 genjis
>>340577637
>There's always a teammate nearby that's not behind a wall
Did you think before you posted?
>>340577606
It's fun
Well, most of the time
>>340577385
>mediocre healing
>still out heals a Mercy player every game with his aura
Mercy is so shit that she needs her ult to revive the people she fails to heal.
>>340577542
>Pick Reinhardt
>stand in front of team with shield up
>they blow up the turrets/Bastion
Wow that was fucking hard.
>>340577542
Junkrat
>>340577393
I've never seen one Reaper player being completely better than another
The skill floor is the skill ceiling for Reaper
Mercyfags in denial,
>The most popular hero and has a shitty winrate.
>lucio is the only popular hero near or ontop of every aspect in the game
>Muh mercy is better buaaah.
>>340577542
Soldier 76 is pretty good agaisnt them
>>340577540
>one of the most famous "military strategy in a nutshell" quotes ever written is
>one of the most famous
>famous
>"get there firstest with the mostest"
There is no cure for autism. You must kill yourself.
>>340576687
You forgot to add:
"pick one"
*cough* 20 tickrate *cough*
Why is everyone so "me, me, me!" in this game
>>340577540
>Mercy has no reliable escape and can easily be singled out and rekt by any flanker.
lolno.
Unless you're a dumbfuck who for some reason is separated from your team as a healer
Enjoy watching your team die with your pitiful healing Luciofags
>>340577542
Winston is good at taking out turrets.
Hes completely fucking useless against Bastion though.
>>340577792
Yes, that's the line. Read a book faggot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest
>>340577606
More power to you
I just keep getting told:
>its not a casul gaem XDDD its viry hard
>>340577734
I honestly don't think I've been outhealed by a Lucio in a match. Can someone who mains Lucio toss me their average healing per match? I'm genuinely curious now.
>>340577601
>Soldier 76 has a pistol he never uses
Characters having weapons on their model that they don't use is nothing new. Junkrat has pipe bombs on his harness, but he doesn't use those. There's an armor in Dark Souls 3 with a knife on the belt that you can't use. Sometimes stuff is just there for aesthetics, try to not let it trigger your autism.
>>340577540
Lucio vs Mercy is fucking pointless because you want BOTH on the team unless it's KotH, at which point Lucio is obviously better.
>>340577850
Wow another person who underestimates Lucio. What a shock. Stay free. :^)
>>340577740
Is that even possible
>>340577740
More like
>Pick Reinhardt
>stand in front of team with shield up
>my teammates nowhere to be found running around playing solo
>die in 2 seconds because broken fucking damage
yup it really was hard anon
>>340575338
>>340575564
>>340576945
When it comes to base movement speed:
Tracer and Genji = 6 meters per second moving forward
Everyone else = 5.5 m/s
Add in movement abilities and each of them become significantly different.
Lucio with Speed Aura (and those in range) move at 7.1 m/s
Amped Up, that speed boost becomes 11.666 m/s
Soldier 76 using Sprint = 8.25 m/s
D.va while shooting is only 1.25 m/s
While Boosting, 12.5 m/s
Reinhardt's charge makes him the fastest moving hero in the game at 16.666 m/s, but of course he can only use it once every ten seconds.
In comparison, Tracer's Blink instantly moves her ahead several meters and recharges much faster, still allowing her to outrun everyone.
>>340577928
Lucio when amped up still seems to have less healing than mercy, but mercy can only heal one at a time
Mercy has better raw numbers, but lucio's versatility is unmatched
>>340578008
Then you weren't going to win anyways.
>Be Mercy
>Oh shit our best DPS is getting focused down
>Don't worry i'll just heal him all the way back up
>Now i'll give him damage boost to tear them apart
>Hey look, somebody else was a retard and died. Here's a res
>Be Lucio
>LISTEN TO MY SICK BEATS BRO
>GOTTA GO FAST
>LOOK AT MY AOE HEAL
>oh shit they focused that dude down and it's too late to save him
>>340577875
I know it was said.
You made the claim it was "famous". It isn't and by and large is a retarded strategy to boot.
>>340577126
When you quit being shit son level has nothing to do with match making. Speed boost can make it even harder to hit lucio then it all ready is.
>>340577779
no quints
>>340577727
>Letting yourself get cut off from the rest of the team.
>Not always near the center of the team to best be able to zip around and heal who needs it.
Choosing to be stupid doesn't mean the character can't reliably move with a lot of freedom.
>>340576850
>implying McCree is Roadhog's only counter
>lose match
>I'm the only card on my team at the end
Was it still my fault we lost?
>>340577341
Forgot about the terrible tickrate
>>340578151
again
>HE IS ***REALLY*** HARD TO KILL SO HE IS BETTER!
Dipshits. The lot of you.
>>340574972
>Mercy is bad
>I can't get easy kills constantly while buffing and healing my team
The playerbase is absolutely braindead and nobody sees you as a threat. 90% of players probably don't even realize she has a gun.
I've gotten 20 kills in a game that lasted like 4 minutes.
Mercy is free wins, people see boombox nigger as a threat and play more cautiously against him.
They'll chase mercy around a corner at 50 hp because they don't realize she can shoot them.
>>340578140
>Autists really can't see the utility of both healers varies by situation
You fags will argue about anything.
>>340577949
What do you think Junkrat drops when he dies?
>>340578291
>I know better than competitive players!
>>340577341
>>Mercy's ult generation rate is still fucking insane
don't know about that one.
>>Widowmaker charge time untouched
>>Zenyatta still allergic to existing
yes please
>>340578050
Does Lucio's speed boost affect 76s sprint?
>>340578291
>Contesting the objective and payload solo to hold off the whole enemy team
>not useful
Nigger please
>>340577036
You haven't played with a good Lucio then because I've had many games where my team won simply because I chose him. Average eliminations I have on him are at 17, constant healing that leads me to Believe that the shitters in this thread don't even understand how good his healing is in Combat and if you're good he can 1v1 any non tank character with ease. While mercy is great you forgot or don't know how amazing a team can be with both.
>>340578140
>Be mercy
>be only viable in low skill level games because team is dying constantly
>Be Lucio
>be viable in high skill level games
>team has just enough healing to stay in the fight at all times
>speedboost keeps us from getting hit
>ult allows us to push hard objectives without dying
>>340578369
>don't know about that one.
>heal 3 people from moderate damage
>ult
I'm a Mercy slut and even I know it is fucking ridiculous. I've ulted 3 times in a single fight. Not normal but 2 ults is.
>>340578183
You'd be amazing at what fucking bullshit pubs will pull on you. Most times they're on other sides of the map.
>>340575884
This is sort of a consequence of how shitty overtime is.
>>340577241
>It's a "hooked Genji ends up behind me" episode
>it's a "hooked Pharah gets stuck on level geometry" episode
>it's a rerun
>>340574914
Lucio is more fun and cooler than Mercy.
>>340578302
People don't think Lucio even does anything, period. Mercy has her giant Heal Ray drawing attention to her. Lucio just skates around and invisibly makes the entire team bulletproof.
Maybe they'll start to focus him after word gets around, but he is probably the most subtle character in terms of function there is. He just runs around and runs away and shoots his annoying globules. Both Mercy and de-meched D.Va have surprising damage output though.
>>340574914
>Mercy is better than Lucio
>Implyingthey aren't both good in their own separate ways
>>340578075
I don't know, being able to focus on who needs health when they're critical and under fire is pretty versatile, especially since you CAN keep someone alive when they're being focused on in comparison to others. Mercy has a ton of tools at her disposal when it comes to genuine healing, especially since she has balls to the fucking wall mobility. I'd take a Mercy in defense any day, if only because if it's a more small area you can cover your Reinhardt and the DPS and still sling over to the Widowmaker when she gets chipped somewhat.
Not saying Lucio is bad, but I'd still rather have Mercy in anywhere that isn't king of the Hill.
>>340578369
>>340577465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r4ldCRrkp4
>>340578687
>invisibly makes the entire team bulletproof.
Except if any competent team actually focuses on somebody.
Lucio doesn't heal enough to keep somebody up facing major damage, Mercy does
I'd rather play Lucio just because it's easier babysitting rando dumbasses with an AOE heal.
>>340578834
You seem to be forgetting Lucios fucking amp.
>>340574914
There's no reason not to have a Mercy and Lucio for every team, especially defense. The two combined are extremely powerful and make the game agonizing.
>>340578771
She's supposed to be "PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEE I SHOOT A BIG BEAM" focus bait like Bastion/Widowmaker/every other OP character to make up for her heal output and constant rezzing.
>>340578140
>Be mercy
>Oh shit our best DPS is getting forcused down
>I can't do anything because i'm too busy healing him and McCree, Reaper, Roadhog, Junkrat, Pharah, and almost every character in the game outdamages my heals
>He's dead, better use my ult!
>Oh i died, and my entire team is dead because a Lucio ulted.
>>340578840
Plus you actually have a chance of escaping if all your teammates bite the dust. Sanic speeding away from an entire enemy team is incredibly satisfying.
>>340577949
I'd just prefer to have more options.
I'm starting to hit that point in Overwatch where it's starting to lose any semblance of depth.
And just because other people do it doesn't excuse bad design
>>340578941
>It's ok to have a team rezz ult up 24/7
No
>>340578924
It honestly makes me wonder if heal classes shouldn't be abolished. They're pretty much essential and no one reaalllyyy likes playing them. They limit composition choice more than enhance it.
>>340579000
Unless the guy you're healing is a total fucking retard, like single digit IQ, he shouldn't die with you focus healing him
>>340579000
>I can't do anything because i'm too busy healing him and McCree, Reaper, Roadhog, Junkrat, Pharah, and almost every character in the game outdamages my heals
>And almost every character in the game outdamages my heals
Anon you really can't be this wrong.
>>340579126
Mercy can't outheal a mcree and reaper or any of those combos. Phara and junkrat alone will two shot anyone who isn't a tank if they can aim.
>>340578941
And she has a stupidly strong tool to get out of those situations, don't even fucking try to tell me that a resurrection skill is allowed to charge that quickly just because she has a target on herself.
That shit needs to charge a fraction of what it does currently, because it's annoying for the enemy team to pile in, all die to kill half our team, to have Mercy pop in and instantly res the entire enemy team with zero counter play and after 30 seconds of healing and damage buffing.
Literally every other ult has some form of counter play or way to deal with it. Mercy's doesn't.
>>340579093
Speak for yourself mang, I pretty much exclusively play healers and support classes. In most other games I played getting a good tank has been much more difficult
>>340577889
Mechanically it is pretty casual but superior teamwork will beat out mechanically skilled players every time. And that is where the skill comes in. Just look at that recent tournament where all these quake all-stars with impeccable mechanics lost to people who were just better at coordinating.inb4 >tournament/competetive
>>340579000
>I can't multitask! Mercy is shit!
>>340579126
Good luck outhealing damage that exceeds their max HP in a second.
>>340574730
Then why does Mccree need to be able to instant kill every character in the game 1v1?
>>340579303
Well yes, if you get McCree'd then Mercy can't help you, but that's true for any character.
But in most situations, with a good player, you're able to outheal
>>340579297
Exactly. Mercy can't multitask. That's the fucking point.
>>340577341
>Mcree didn't need it
are you shitting me?
He can practically one-shot every tank hero in the game.
Every tank hero has a huge hitbox so all of his fan the hammer shots are going to connect if you just M2 in their general direction.
His fan the hammer needed a nerf. He needs to be able to win duels with smaller heroes but be unable to fucking faceroll a tank
>>340579297
Nigger that is what this discussion is about the Aoe healer who can multitask or the one who can only heal one person at a time. Are you retarded?
>>340579447
>Bad mercies can't multitask
I fixed that for you anon.
>>340578389
Yes it does. I'm pretty sure that D.Va booster and Reinhardt charge are unaffected by it, though.
>>340573883
no he meant hitscan bullets
dumbass
The only people that complain about roadhog are people that don't want to switch the offensive hero they are playing to something else because 'muh main'
>>340579549
Reading comprehension nigga
>>340574387
>Overly complex combo doesn't even do as much damage as a mcree
Fuck it
>>340579261
You're right, but without that aspect it is pretty much casual trash
>>340579434
It's not just McCree, it's Widowmaker too, and that's if they don't just try to kill you instead. Good luck dealing with two Winstons.
>>340575769
that is in no way reliable, if it was the pros would use him more, but hog almost never gets picked in comp. the only combo thats reliable with hog is hook+meatshot+melee and the shit is like 200ish.
>>340579562
Nigga you can't keep the whole team up at once as mercy that is not an option. That is why she has a rezz she has to pick priority's on who to heal first and who might bite the dust.
>>340579261
Got a name for the tournament?
I'd like to see high level Overwatch, genuinely interested in seeing how it plays out.
>>340579560
I'm arguing that Mercy can heal quickly enough and a good one will prioritize who needs to be healed and when to be able to best support their team. Mercy can choose who to heal very fucking quickly and covers a much further range than Lucio. Sure, you lose people, but in all of those situations you lose people as Lucio as well.
>>340579609
It's not like you can't outrange Roadhog and ruin his day due to his giant as fuck hitbox. It's very easy to charge your ult off of him.
>>340578771
Holy fuck that streamer has pure concentrated autism
Honestly I never had any problems with mcree once I learnt that Genji can reflect his flashbangs.
it works heaps more often than it should since mcfucks are predicable as all hell
>>340579609
Roadhog is a great offense hero though
>>340579934
Same problem as with McCree VS Tracer or Genji VS Bastion
Tracer can easily bait out McCree stun if the player is good
Bastion can wait until Genji stops and instagib him
>>340579783
http://www.gosugamers.net/overwatch/events/513-esports-arena-s-agents-rising
VODs are on the right hand side and the quake guys are on a team called Sill Here (SH!).
>reinhardt shield
>people go in front of it to shoot
>>340579686
I agree. And I play it for the same reason I played Dota and LoL when they were new. It was easy to get my friends to hop in and play with me and just fuck around.
>>340580218
Some people don't think you can shoot threw it. I have had to tell people that more then once.
>>340578389
I believe so. If the multiplier is constant, then 76's Sprint combined with an Amped Up Speed Boost would give him 17.5 m/s movement speed.
>>340577928
Assuming the team sticks together, Lucio can heal more than Mercy as his Aura will be hitting everybody. In any big battle, Lucio will be keeping everyone healed, even if each person is getting 12.5 healing per second compared to Mercy giving 50 healing per second to one target.
Because Lucio is ALWAYS healing everyone in range, he immediately starts recovering their health. A Mercy Player is far more likely to focus on keeping one hero topped off, not gaining any more heal points since they're still full and potentially missing the opportunities to heal the others.
Add on Lucio's Amping Up his healing to 40/sec and it's not surprising to see how easy it is for Lucio to match if not best Mercy in healing output.
Tactically, Mercy is a pocket medic for one or a few nearby heroes when a fight breaks out. Swapping back and forth in anything other than ideal play means downtime of people not being healed. She can't heal and shoot at the same time. Her damage buff is again the kind of thing where you want to stay focused on to a single hero for when they perform an attack. Her Ultimate cleans up messes with resurrection, but it's a reactionary skill. People can die at any inopportune time in any place, dying is not a thing you'd deliberately do to setup a gameplan.
Lucio is more viable in high skill play because he can fight and support everyone all at the same time, granting a great deal of survivability and the ability to get to the objective more quickly. His Ultimate is an active one that helps in a push. You organize with the team, go in and LET'S BREAK IT DOWN to buff up your next charge. A Lucio doesn't even have to be doing anything and he will still passively be helping the team.
Fucking Hanzo is such bullshit and I love it
I can't even get mad at him after playing him
>>340573284
3/10 bait. Got me to reply.
McCree has has no survivability whatsoever nor an ability to flank or escape, no mobility, no self heal, no damage block, he is completely carried by a good tank protecting him, and teamwork is always OP.
>>340580307
kinda wish he wasn't a bargain widowmaker. edgy and cool design, but he's not as op as the other option. fuck his scatter tho
>>340580115
I never really have any problems with Genji vs Bastion either since I always reflect from right next to cover so I can get away once reflect finishes or if possible I do it from right next to the turret fuck so that I can jump around like a spastic monkey on cocaine causing him to miss due to needing to spin and look up/down constantly to hit me
>>340580282
>A Mercy Player is far more likely to focus on keeping one hero topped off, not gaining any more heal points since they're still full and potentially missing the opportunities to heal the others.
I have to call bullshit on this, you're supposing that the Mercy player is playing poorly and everyone is receiving enough damage all at once while also supposing that the team is clustered together.
>>340579713
Yeah, that's meant to be the ideal combo but it doesn't always work out. I play Roadhog a lot and I don't really bother with it, I usually just go for the hook, meatshot, melee combo most of the time.
>>340580563
Widowmaker at least takes some modicum of skill with a mouse, Hanzo is just fire and forget AND ON TOP OF THAT is his OP scatter, his amazing enemy scan ability, and his piece of shit through the walls ultimate
If he had some kind of health nerf or something I could see him being more balanced, as a character who's designed to stay back and just fire arrows, he doesn't need the extra hp
>>340580781
Are you retarded? Hanzo is one of the worst characters in the game.
>>340579713
whatever the combo is, it oneshots reaper and mei at full health before they can shift out
>>340580845
he is both terrible and incredibly irritating though
>>340580781
>Hanzo needs a nerf
>a-at least Widowmaker takes skill
Do widowfags honestly believe this?
>>340580781
He needs more HP to be considered viable actually. He has shit mobility, mostly why he's considered trash in competitive.
Though, I don't exactly think 250 HP would fix him. They balanced him around having literally Tracer's ult on E probably lol
>>340575859
Is this true?
>>340574914
Ohh baby these doujins
>don't get close enough to McCree to allow him to pull it off
>Don't get separated from your team
Hey look you survived
>>340581160help me out, anon.
>>340580961
He's considered trash in competitive because:
A) Squishy
B) Zero mobility
C) Less damage than Widowmaker and his arrows aren't hitscan
D) Zero ability to duel like Widowmaker or McCree
E) His ult isn't anything other than area denial against a coordinated team
F) Sonic arrow is redundant AND worse than Widowmaker's ult, which charges ridiculously fast because of her bullshit damage.
There is no reason whatsoever to take him over Widowmaker.
>>340581343
>Just don't take damage ever :^)
>>340574914
What if I'm part of a Lucio/mercy tag team who's coordinating together?
