So did he redeem himself since the hate from MGS2?
I never did, only autists that unironically worship Big Boss hate Raiden.
In MGS4? No. He was trying way too hard to be cool.
In rising? Yes.
Raiden was Adam Jenson before Adam Jensen.
I dislike every incarnation of Raiden tbqh
>inexperienced rookie trained entirely on simulations and videogames, perfect example of an artifical soldier with no real worth, a solid criticism of over-reliance on technology in the military, and also a striking pisstake on 'gamers'
>sent on a super serious but also intentionally stereotypical movie-plot mission to literally save the president and stop a nuclear strike, huge pisstake of Raiden's idealization of Solid Snake and of generic action game/movie plots
>hated by mgs1 fanboys because he doesn't fulfill their adolescent desires for a generic action hero badass who smooth-talks ladies
>somehow not the best fucking character ever made
how do I get the steam version to not crash instantly
>>340550445
>inexperienced
He was a child soldier and leader of his platoon
>>340550445
Anyone who thinks Raiden isn't a neat Metal Gear character after Rising is a huge baby. Big Ballsack can fuck off
>>340549826
I don't like either very much. Raiden could have been such a cool bishounen character, but instead they made him a whiny loser with an ugly cunt girlfriend.
MGS2 raiden was a good character, i didnt like the edgeman he was in 4/rising.
A meme hater like Raiden is bound to be worshipped by /v/.
As he himself put it : "Your memes... End here!"
I've always liked Raiden. At worse his lines are extremely hamfisted but that's primarily 4 being bad in general. Quinton Flynn did the best shit he could. I didn't know whether to cringe or if I should like it when he said shit like
>I am lightning, the rain transformed
>>340549691
I like Raiden.Even homoerotic MGS4 Raiden
>>340550964
Flynn really did try his best to make use of bad writing.
>>340550942
He wasn't edgy in Rising, he just went full nuclear and accepted that he was a full blown killer of men.
>>340550771
Anyone who thinks Raiden wasn't a great character after MGS2 is a huge baby, to be honest.
If you've EVER complained about a character being a mary sue, you have no reason not to love Raiden. He's so completely flawed and human, he's a total fucking loser with a bitch girlfriend and no useful training who gets carried by Solid "Gary Stu" Snake through the whole game.
And the fanboys could not stop crying back then. The asshurt was astronomical.
Revengeance is literally the best MG game
He was never the problem with MGS2
Rose was
>>340551254
>who gets carried by Solid "Gary Stu" Snake through the whole game
But Raiden does everything.
>>340551389
Upon the announcement of Rising 2 one day, I will literally piss my pants
>MGR manages to have a godly Codec, way better than anything mainline game had for last 10 years
>>340549691
No, because he never had to.
>>340549691
Yes, Rising was a gift from the heavens and it managed to have almost only fantastic characters, Raiden included, surprisingly.
>>340549691
no raiden never redeem himself
>that ending in the MGS4 "happy family conclussion" is the worst idea of kojima for redeem this weaboo
>>340551554
>almost only fantastic characters
Who sucked?
The coffee bitch for me. She was the only codec call I never made.
>>340551532
Well Rising is the best Metal Gear game so it makes sense
>>340551461
Rose was great too, she really contrasted Raiden's womanizing skills with Snake's.
>>340551476
not true, Snake saves Raiden in the first Vamp encounter, and on the connecting bridge to shell 2, and defuses half the bombs - faster than Raiden does. Snake is constantly ahead, constantly helping, and constantly keeping raiden from getting in over his head.
>>340549691
MGS2 was the only good Raiden
>>340551695
the kid is the only one I can think of
>all the bad guys are likeable
I love this
>>340551836
>the kid
Oh god the kid. Jesus fuck I forgot
>>340550771
Rising was not only a bad game but also basically invalidated everything about Raiden's character development. The only good characters in that game were Sam and Wolf
>>340549691
He's good in canon series, in MGR he's edgy shit
MGR is also shit
>>340551961
>>340551836
I thought George was a little mediocre, but didn't outright suck. Every other character besides coffee girl was literally 10/10 though. Sunny a cute.
>>340552072
Mein nano-negger. Knowing the shit story writers can pull, I hope they will make Sam or Armstrong the protagonists of the next MGRR game.
>>340552072
Lemme guess you're one of those DMC aspies who SSSSS++ rank everything and play through a game 50 times and MGR didn't let you button mash enough.
>>340551461
Unfortunately that reflects on him poorly enough to ruin him as a character. Guys that cow tow to women are pathetic.
>>340552504
and here we go with the "he's a bad character if he's not a cool badass who follows my opinions and morals" meme.
How big of a fucking pleb are you that you think a character is "ruined" if he isn't some sort of ideal male figure for you to look up to?
>>340552072
He was the same as he was in MGS4 except less broody.
>>340549691
>no lower lip
>wouldnt be able to speak properly
>>340549691
I never hated him. He was more badass than I will ever be.
>>340552728
Characters that are impossible to respect are pretty terrible, and it's not possible to have any respect for beta straight guys.
>>340552883
He kinda needs that metal jaw. He would have got it very fucked up in Rising had it not been there.
>MGS2
Fine, fits the story
>MGS4
shit, ruins the MGS2 character, character is only redeemed to the pond scum fans who play Metal Gear for the awesome ninjas and bandana big snakeman
>MGR
Redeemed from MGS4, actually pretty good aside from the added platinum edge
>>340552328
I'm one of those DMC aspires and I really enjoyed rising. Just played and beat it yesterday on hard because I wasn't planning on replaying it ever
STANDING HERE I REALIZE
>>340553159
audience members who can't appreciate a well-written character because it doesn't live up to their ideals of what's "respectable" are pretty terrible, and it's not possible to have any respect for power fantasy addicted pleb guys
>>340552328
>oh I didn't like the game
>HURR DURR AUTIST
No anon, it's Rising that is basically button mashing. You can play through hard mode with nothing but mashing and parrying evey once in a while, and combos make no difference in it.
I also didn't play DMC until way after Rising, and I don't have the patience or the skill to get high ranks in it.
>>340552286
I just hope they make a good game. But I honestly MGR2 is happening at all because Konami, etc.
>>340552873
I didn't like what they did to him that much in MGS4 either, but there was the difference of doing what he did because he must while fighting his trauma and doing all that shit in Rising because he's an edgelord and got off on it. That part where you go through the city listening to your enemies think because of Sam was cool as fuck, I thought the plot was finally gonna pick up but it does a 180º instead and turns to shit.
>>340553438
CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN
>>340549691
does ye olde god of thunder still have a dick?
or is he all nanofibers, steroids, and hormone replacements?
>>340553647
>But I honestly MGR2 is happening at all because Konami, etc
I honestly don't think MGR2 is happening at all*
How did I fuck this up.
>>340553468
>power fantasy addicted
He didn't need to be a superhero. He just needed to be unattached and have his own personality instead of being stuck with some ugly bitch that never shuts up.
>>340553660
RULES OF NATURE
>>340553737
His body from the jaw down is machine. He doesn't need a dick but they probably gave him one when he got a "real" body for sex time.
>>340549691
No
They made him even worse
>>340553963
Wanna explain how?
>>340549826
>liking raiden
>calling other people autistic
raidenfags are this delusional
THERE WILL BE
>>340554128
>big boss is his favorite protagonist
>calls other people autistic
bigfags are delusional
>>340553827
He's supposed to be flawed, he's supposed to be shit at women, he's not supposed to be some cool detached operator who don't need no women like in your Doom fanfics. He has a girlfriend, she's a bitch, he doesn't know how to handle their relationship. that's part of why he's a believable character, it's a normal and relateable situation that a lot of people find themselves in and it helps to build him up as NOT solid snake. NOT a gary stu.
That's how you write good characters, you make them human and flawed and put them in shitty situations they aren't always in complete control over and might not easily overcome.
raiden was better before they changed him in 4 and rising.
>>340554475
mgs2 Raiden is the second best protag right before Solid Snake
>>340554453
>relateable
There's the problem. It's only relateable for somebody who puts up with ugly hags. To anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together the situation comes across as pathetic, because it's completely unbelievable that anybody could be that much of a loser. It makes him look like Mike Dawson. That's not well a written or human character, it's just stupid.
>>340554475
Raiden was literally a bland self-insert until 4 and rising. Nobody liked mgs2 for raiden, people liked it for the writing and overall themes.
>>340550120
Now you're just being nasty.
HEHEUERUSFHSKLFH
>>340554752
Yeah I'm sure you're a real alpha who'd never put up with no ugly bitch if she wasn't good in bed LOL am i right /b/ro????
>>340554228
Stop assuming shit idiot
I've only played MGS1 and 2 but when I get to 3 I'll try my fucking hardest to make Big Boss my favourite
>>340554802
it was funny how goofy he was. i liked it.
He has a nice ass
>>340554453
I don't care how realistic she was as a shitty girlfriend, she dragged the game down with her annoying shit
>>340555243
Nearly everyone in mgs has a nice ass
Does anyone remember the bizarre advertisement campaign for MGR:R? It had it's own website where it showed really zoomed up shots Raiden getting operated on or something?
Was that ever explained?
>>340555373
she was a great character, she reflected how Raiden interacts with people and things, especially his "mission" in mgs2
>>340555872
Early promotional material really tried to focus on how solidus fucked raiden's mind when they were in africa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njZNPSwJBV0
>>340556051
>she was a great character
top cuck
>>340555373
You're on /v/ so I'm gonna assume you like Dark Souls. A lot of what /v/ would call plebs and normies would say that Dark Souls was dragged down by the constant deaths and harsh difficulty, because it wasn't superficially rewarding the way mainstream videogames are.
That's what you're doing now, except it's with writing instead of gameplay mechanics. You're criticising good writing because isn't as superficially rewarding as a hot scientist babe or a banging sexy redhead soldier girl flirting and being enamoured with the rolemodel protag. We can all agree Rose was annoying as fuck, but that was a literary mechanic to frame her as a shitty girlfriend, and contrasting her with the MGS1 girls, as well as contrasting Raiden with Solid Snake. From a writing standpoint she's a believable character serving an important mechanic in the framing of the characters.Writing doesn't get much more solid than that, even if you have to suffer through some annoyance the way normies suffer through annoyance when they die in Dark Souls.
>>340555460
Think Kojima was trying to tell us something?
Raiden was a great character in MGS2 and 4. Rising completely shit on his character development but it was still a cool game.
>>340558210
Raiden goes through no character development in 2.
>>340551476
Ever play on extreme? The hardest part of that final shootout in Arsenal Gears rectum is keeping Solid alive. For a legendary hero he gets killed fast if you don't babysit him. He died at that part more than I did.
>>340558279
>he missed the entire point
>>340558607
I merely stated a fact.
Raiden has always been cool. Only memerinos ever shit on him for not being Snek.
His entire character arc has been
>horrible things happen to me
>more horrible things happen to me
>some how, despite all this, I keep getting exponentially cooler
>>340558279
Even if that were true it has nothing to do with my statement you dumb shitposter. The point was that the character progression from 2 through 4 was shit on with Rising and regressed his character.
>>340558689
no you missed the entire point of MGS2.
>>340558863
How? Raiden's family was safe, he decided to make lemonade out of lemons and use his body for PMC work and support them.
>>340558807
>Raiden has always been cool.
I thought a good 90 percent of people fucking hated him for not being Snake upon the release of MGS2
>>340558997
Don't think so
>>340553159
Dudes who always refer to themselves or others as betas or alphas are the biggest faggots around
>>340559231
They did. We call those people "idiot manchildren whiney faggot fanboys who got BTFO by based Kojima"
>>340559140
Because the ending of 4 was Raiden coming to terms with who he is now and allowing himself to have a family and see himself as a man again.
And then in Rising he goes full JACK THE RIPPER fuck everything I'm a monster mode.
>>340559231
Feels good not being a pleb.
>>340549691
The only people who hated him are retarded in the first place. Venom is a cool guy too.
>>340559424
Only really after being taunted about it while being up against some absolute crazy shit.
>>340559424
>Character stars in a sequel that puts him through new scenarios and events
>WHY IS HE CHANGING
His Ripper persona was very underdeveloped, the writers wanted to explore it more and they did.
>>340559424
>And then in Rising he goes full JACK THE RIPPER fuck everything I'm a monster mode.
>Completely ignoring how his enemies fucked over his mental state and made him accept his past
>Completely ignoring how in the begging he tried to stray from Jack the Ripper as much as possible by associating himself as a man of justice and nothing more.
>Being this much of a faggot
>One of the best and most deeply meaningful characters ever in fiction
>Becomes one of the most badass characters ever in a video game
It's the best fucking character development ever. Not milking the meaningful aspect too much and then making him just cool and nothing else. What's not to love, since day one?
>>340560746
not muh snek therefore he is sheiti1!!1!!!1
>>340552883
Well if you listen to his lines again. He never says anything with an m
>>340549826
>/v/ used to worship Big Boss.
Not knowing that Solid Snake was the one true Snake.
>>340560987
>YOUR MEMES END HERE
>THE MEMES
>>340556324
>>340555872
its obviously part of the cut story of MGS : R, it was going to be in between 2 and 4.
>>340560746
>One of the best and most deeply meaningful characters ever in fiction
Jesus Christ, read a book sometime.
>>340561659
Not that anon but any suggestions?
>>340561427
Look at the date of the video.
Old MGS:R was canned around 2010-11.
MGS2 Raiden was hard to get used to after playing as Snake for so long, but I ended up sort of liking him by the end of it, although his voice was still pretty annoying through most of it. MGS4 Raiden was just plain goofy, but so was the rest of the game, so whatever. MGR Raiden is great even though he's edgy as fuck, mostly because I think the game is fun enough that I can overlook it.
>pic relatedDEAD ON
>>340553830
AND IT WILL COME
>>340562196
raiden's/rose's voice were a lot less bad in the Jap version, his voice isn't so high pitched.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZggZBl83FEU
Solid Snake >>>>> Raiden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Big Boss
>Ha i finally beat you S-
>"Playtime's over!
>>340561797
The Count of Monte Cristo
Crime and Punishment
Death in Venice
Gulliver's Travels
The Picture of Dorian Gray
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
We
The Brothers Karamazov
>>340562707
this
>>340549691
You were supposed to hate him though
MGS 4 completely nullified the message of MGS 2
>>340562767
WUZ
>>340562707
Literally the opposite
>>340563168
Fuck off retard
>>340563898
>muh nostalgia mweeee someone doesn't agree with me
Grow up faggot
>>340563898
>probably got introduced to /v/ by otacon
man, that picture is old
>>340564204
you might be talking about Solid vs Boss but TPP came out last year
>>340564007
kill yourself big fag lover, big boss will always be a boring autistic protagonist.
>>340564413
i know, its just that nobody would refer to /v/ as it was in the pic in its current state.
>playing MGSV for the first time
>70 hours in, did all side missions and shit
>finally fight Skull Face and Sahelantropus
>credits roll
>I take off my headphones
>chapter 1 completed
honestly I laughed so hard
>>340564664
Don't even bother with chapter 2
>>340563898
>hero of beating up old slavs in a jungle
Gets me every time
>>340564765
Yeah I heard people spouting memes like the game is unfinished, etc
is it really that bad?
No.
Raiden redeemed himself in 2 by being an actual character but then was turned into a shitty edgelord caricature in 4, and was promptly made into even more of a terrible joke in Rising.
People who defend 4 forget how it literally ruined everything from 2. It just took one huge massive fat shit all over everything yet people forgive it now because of EPIC CQC CUTSCENES and EPIC BOSS FIGHTS THAT TOTALLY ARENT SHALLOW like Ray and Liquid Ocelot
Fuck that game, and fuck Rising for not fixing Raiden
>>340564890
Worse. 90% of missions are copy pasted ones in Ch.1 with higher difficulty. With maybe 5 total missions that advance the plot to nowhere. And the game basically leaves off on a cliffhanger that will never be delivered.
>>340565157
Is it bad that I know that venom and big boss aren't the same person?
I got spoiled by some faggot on /v/ so I'm kinda hoping its fake
>>340549691
He was always a more nuanced and interesting character than either snake. He had a lot of flaws and a more grounded mindset, which nobody wanted in MGS.
MGS has always been an 80s action movie with a degree more philiosphy and morality-bantering. Solid Snake fit that role perfectly in 1 as a badass with some truisms and gritty pragmatism. He was kinda that in 2 as well. Everything started to go wrong when Kojima took apart that image and replaced it with silence.
But that's another can of worms.
In short Raiden is about as ham as Naked Snake, with more depth to him than MGS4 snake and even MGS 1 snake. He lacks all of the charm and grit of many of the other protagonists. MGS4 snake and MGS5 venom are both more boring and uninteresting than any Raiden portrayal.
>>340550445
He's not the best character ever made, but the rest of your post is 100% correct.
>>340565287Yeah, BB and Venom are two different people. Venom is the medic from GZ who saves BB and is made to become a body double whole the real BB fucks off and does his own shit.
After you beat the all the Ch.2 missions. You get a special mission that is a repeat of the tutorial intro with additional scenes revealing stuff and more cassette tapes revealing stuff.
>>340565786
Thanks anon, I'm really tempted to read the spoiler but I'll try not to
>>340565924
The only thing that is not utter shit in Ch.2 is the poor plot resolution of Huey and Quiet.
Oh and if you are a soft guy, there is one mission that (may) get you to feel. You will know once you get there.
Why was he trained in VR when he was already a good child soldier?
>>340549691
I think that Rising is what tied his character altogether. Raiden has always been about thememeof what he thinks he should be and how the world will react to him. He's got his expectations set in stone and rushes forward with it, not at all considering what the reality of the situation is.
Part of Rising is him coping with the fact that once again, thememeof who he should be is challenged again, so he has no idea what to do other than to regress into being Jack the Ripper, as trying to be a hero--tragic or otherwise--ended up failing him. He then goes on all these edgy tirades because he thinks according to hismemesthat everyone sees him as a monster now, but he's able to get the best support through Maverick. Not telling him who he should be and the ideals he should live up to, but to be the person who he is and that there's people there for him. David told him roughly the same message, but it got lost in translation due to who it was coming from, and the world that came to be with MGS4.
With the ending of Rising, Raiden starts to change from just being stable to finding out who he is and self-actualizing. Raiden was never really the best in one game, as it's how he changed over the course of the series that really defined him. In that sense, he's fairly well written.
>>340561659
Because books magically have better characters all the time, wtf? Books are great, films are great, video games are great. For some reason video games are the medium that has given me the most joy, most emotions and most meaning. It's interactive, visual and not confined to the 1,5-3 hours that movies are. Nothing wrong with books but come on, get your ass out of the past.