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>shows his full body in the start of the gameplay video
>later on in the game Adam is nothing but two floating arms
I hate this.
Why don't they just implement full body awareness in the game?
Why do they leave it feeling like you're a floating ball with arms?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5acI46z9Y4
>>340533630
-laziness
-consoles
>>340533630
Because it's not that simple you retard
>>340533630
Same reason they didn't implement a proper melee system instead of yet again cutscene takedowns.
No passion or enthusiasm during development, it's only another shitty "job" to this dev team.
>>340534381
Explain why it isn't simple.
>>340534381
>implying
if you can make a 3rd person game (which ain't much different from first person), you can make full body awareness too.
Fucking Unity has cheap assets to literally drag & drop the whole feature into your game.
>>340534381
Crysis had it in 2007, complete with shadows and animations of whatever you're doing
>>340533630
Left 4 Dead. Had full character models, could see legs, torso, etc.
Left 4 Dead 2. Floating arm and guns.
>>340534772
FEAR 1 already had that in 2005.
And it certainly wasn't the first game to do so either.
>>340534745
beat me to it
>>340534745
>Arkane's two previous games had legs
>become Bethshitsda's bitch
>third game has no legs
>>340535195
Multiplat does that to you
>>340535172
>FPS
Dark Messiah isn't much of a SHOOTER, though
>>340534573
>>340534573
because for non-clipping legs, it would require difficult simulations on nonflat surface, also animation of walking backwards or sideways of same speed like forwards looks wierd - people really dont walk back/sideways as fast as forward. Rotating around would be slow either. Also people have momentum, you can't just start moving immidiatelly at full speed, it woudln't look normal, and with implementing such thing - remember pre-patch movement in witcher 3, it's not good for gaming.
making a good animations for jumping on uneven terrain and crouching would be also pretty difficult in order to look good.
So why the fuck spend so much time, effort, and computation time for feature, which most of players wont see.
>>340535512
doesn't matter, really.
>>340533832
>>340535345
Explain Riddick
>>340534903
but fear didnt have a deep story ;)
>>340535798
Stealth game?
>>340535512
as much as dishonored
>>340535512
>FPS
>First Person Slasher
>>340536076
You have a handgun and a crossbow in Dishonored. All you got in Dark Messiah is a bow and magic
it looks really awkward, also the legs may obstruct something from your view.
>>340535771
all of these are just poor excuses.
Automatic foot IK has been a thing since fucking N64 times, and can be applied to ANY model. The full-body awareness is at its simplest form just a 3rd person character, without the head being rendered on the main camera, with camera placed roughly where the face should be.
Also, it's a video game. People have watched game characters do all sorts of impossible and awkward movements since dawn of time; it really would not take anything out from the experience, nor would it take any extra time, as the same animations can be re-used on NPCs and the player. Not to mention thanks to advances in automated IK mechanics, you can literally auto-generate passable bipedal animations, without spending a single minute in 3D editor.
>>340536164
So pretty much the same?
>>340536242
yeah, them legs definitely obstructed your gameplay in FEAR and Crysis all the time.... not.
Was anyone else bothered by how Adam's hands were only ever kind of in frame when you ran in Human Revolution?
>>340536564
Yes, you point and you click and something dies. The exact same.
>>340535771
Excuses. You have excuses, not actual reasons.
Kill yourself.
>>340537302
>game has FOV option
>can't set hand/weapon FOV seperatly
I hate it.
>>340535798
they werent lazy?
>>340534573
Where is this from if i might ask?
>>340537757
Paranoia 2, a free standalone game based on modified HL1 engine.
>>340537757
Paranoia2.
>>340537816
>>340537849
Thank you very much!
>>340537816
>modified HL1 engine
GoldSrc? Why
>>340535798
>Explain Riddick
Starbreeze.
Or at least, old Starbreeze before EA got their hooks into them.
>>340538063
Some people are just wizards
>>340538063
Because crazy ruskies
>>340537051
>it's a lot of work and nobody cares about it
>not a reason
>>340538262
>I'm lazy
>I don't want to work
>but I'm going to bullshit that people don't care about it so that makes me being lazy a-okay
Kill yourself.
>>340538262
>it's a lot of work
But it's not unless you are fucking retarded
It's a gimmick that has no use outside VR. It makes games feel unnecessarily floaty and looks really awkward.
>No number by the health bar
Why?
>>340538327
>I'm
>I don't
>but I'm
He's not a game dev, anon. He's explaining to you why game devs don't do the things you want them to. It's not an excuse, it's an explanation.
>>340538516
Numbers make you think too much instead of focusing on ACTION
>>340538578
Kill yourself.
>>340533630
Who the fuck cares? Honestly, unless I am playing something like an Alien in AvP, it's never actually positively effected me in a game, it just made it more annoying to look down across chasms, or take screenshots.
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Adam's cybernetic feet are weird.
Why would it have a heel like that?
>>340536338
>solved
>automated
look at assassins creed, they have top tier automatic foot/leg IK, and look how much clipping and errors it still has. Take any game with legs and pres W quickly few times while looking at your "solved since N64" leg movement.
People in real life just don't move like characters in FPS games. With 'classic' FPS movement you will never have realistically looking animations.
Another thing is why should dev bother with it, when no one cares. It adds literally nothing to gameplay, you dont see it 99.9% time ad no one, literally no one except few haters on /v/ cares.
>>340538607
how can one person project this much
>>340538708
better arch, faster running
raiden has the same thing, that pump look
>>340538708
Why do you think animals that run fast have legs shaped like they do?
I heard they removed jumping and instead its context sensitive climb like in Thi4f.
>>340539403
?
>>340533832
there are tons of console games that show the full body now though. even COD does it.
>game STILL gives you more xp for doing nonlethal
Fuck off
>>340538826
You seem to be stuck in a nasty loop of "That's not how things are in real life!", when same could be said of just about every single thing in games in general. People would be fine with minor clipping for sure, and nobody complains about the weird two-part movements in Counter-Strike and such. and replicating reality with as close to 1:1 accuracy as possible is necessary only in simulators.
All in all, it all boils down again to devs being lazy, and/or trying to conserve those super limited spec resources on consoles. There's really no reason to not have a basic full body awareness this day and age, especially if you spend ages making fancy first-person cinematics, that show the required assets anyway.
A related issue is the matter that the FP-game characters still operate and move like literal blocks. Fucking System Shock had a simulated body for the MC, with all the actions reflecting on the character's pose and situation. You could climb up on top of obstacles, your melee swings could get hit to environmental obstacles if you stood too close to them, leaning was limited by them as well, and so on.
>>340539873
I pray its not true.
>>340533630
I like that they seem to have cleaned up the UI just a little bit. This shit was bad.
>>340539873
What? No, they didn't. You can see in the video linked in the OP that's not true.
>>340539873
I don't mind that at all. I actually prefer context sensitive climb and hope more games adopt it. First person platforming is usually shit anyway.
>>340540198
it demands more skill, and you don't get as much loot
What's the problem?
The worst is when this is done by a FUCKING PLATFORMER.
>>340539873
>not having both
Why is every single first person game since 2004 a downgrade in at least one aspect?
>>340542294
It does have both. See https://youtu.be/I5acI46z9Y4?t=13m23s
is that a different voice actor for sarif? did the fruit flies get the old one?
>>340542468
It is.
Apparently, Eidos/SE took his fruit flies video seriously and thought him demented, so he got fired.
>>340536570
Does the Fear guy's head start at his waist?
>he hasn't done a no-kill, perfect stealth, highest difficulty all-in-one playthrough in HR
What's your excuse?
>>340539981
This, same with battlefield, the new Doom, wolfenstein,
>>340533832
>le consoles bogey man
>>340542902
But did you save her?
>>340535771
Yeah you're right, which is why no one bothers to make games in third person
Because it's le too hard
>>340543015
Have you seen the UI? There's clearly plenty of console influence going on.
>>340542902
I did it. Saved Malik too. What a rush, downing energy bars and zapping with the stun gun.
>>340541973
>>340541780
>>340541182
>"We've been trying to tweak and polish a lot of the mechanics," he told Eurogamer. "The onus is the same, but we're trying to express it a little differently. You could jump before, but now you have a ledge grab. Everything's been modified under the hood in the way the camera moves, the effects, the control schemes. The cover system's been thoroughly reviewed - you've now got cover forward, so you can paint the environment and head where you want to, so you can move cover to cover and that completely changes the map."
That is from Eurogamer article. Take that for what you will.
>>340543373
See >>340542370
You can do both.
>>340539940
cheetahs have spinal compression to help them run, but they can only continue top speed for a short burst.
>>340534381
Model/skin/anim aside when talking strictly mechanics it can be done in minutes. The problem lies in the fact that this is a console game with a low fov, therefore there is no reason to setup a fba because the camera won't capture it in an immersive fashion. It can be done and it has been done in a handful of titles but without proper fov it looks completely unrealistic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe3udalx2M0
>>340543567
Did you just look that up or did you know it beforehand?
>>340542294
>Why is every single first person game since 2004 a downgrade in at least one aspect?
Consoles.
More specifically, 'Murica pushing consoles on the rest of the world.
>>340542998
>the new Doom
Well id are basically a tech demo company so it does make sense.
>>340545232
>tech demo company
That's Valve.
>>340545460
And yet they suck dick at tech.
>>340535771
>it woudln't look normal
Yet being a floating camera with arms looks normal?
>>340542818
>what is leaning forward
>>340533630
It always looks like crap anyway, I'm not sure why people obsess over this.
>>340533630
>Czechs have russian accent
>The Svůbody beer sign makes no fucking sense, Svůbody is not a word
>That guy who shouted papers(doklady) was not definitely native speaker
>They left the name Václav in there and pronounced it completely wrong instead of putting english equivalent "Wenceslaus" in there.
Fags
Sorry for my butthurt, but I had to express myself.
>>340542902
Stealth is easy as fuck in HR and it's an easy game to begin with, even on highes difficulty. There's nothing to gloat about m8.
Why do mememasters claim its LE CONSOLES XDDD?
Halo 1 in 2001 on the OG xbox had visible legs on master chief when you look down
