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>never played Jak series growing up
>sick of modern gaming
>pick up the Jak and Daxter collection for PS3
>play through Jak 1 and enjoy some old school platforming
>have a blast and 100% it
>sweet, time for Jak II
>Jak 1 model for intro, fast forward
>pic related
>Jak is edgy as fuck
>Daxter is using slightly more vulgar vocabulary
>get into town
>dude talks to Jak
>Jak yanks old geezer by the collar, "Where the HELL am I?" in his deep batman voice
>finally free-roam city and it's fucking GTA
>fucking vehicles, cops, and civilians
>get to the sword icon on map, Jak talks all hardcore to the dude
What the fuck is this shit?
How do I go from a light-hearted platforming collectathon (power cells and orbs) to some 2edgy4me GTA?
I understand Jak was tortured in prison for 2 years, but man they really shifted the tone.
I admit I just started and am gonna play more, but I just had to put it out there.
What the FUCK were they thinking?
>guy imprisons and tortures jak for years
>now jak wants to kill him
>this is edgy, and not a completely normal reaction
Does 'edgy' even mean anything anymore?
>>340479481
The farther into the game you get, the more Jak softens back up to becoming something close to what he used to be.
He never really had a personality in the first game either.
>>340479481
It's better. The first game was casual babby shit.
>>340479672
The story IS edgy though
>>340479481
ok
>>340480436
>>340480590
>>340479672
4chan is full of preschoolers.
Like how sheltered do you have to be to think Jak II of all things is "edgy" or "hardcore"?
>>340481123
>>340480801
>>340480590
why isn't there any good jak and daxter porn
>>340479481
Atleast Jak 3 he lightens up
>>340481102
By the actual definition, it is somewhat edgy in that the game was an unconventional departure from what the original was.
>>340481248
this
>>340479672
Lets not forget he has dark eco in his blood now which makes him more aggressive. He literally hulks out
>>340481248
A question for the ages.
>>340481304
Jak as a character was only really edgy near the beginning, after getting tortured by Praxis and becoming Dark Jak
Other than that he was pretty normal
>>340481417
it hurts
It was nice when ND liked giving their girls great asses along with nice tits.
>>340479481
I played Jak II first, and loved the fuck out of it. Found Jak 1 boring and repetitive in comparison.
>>340482568
if thay make another jak game i hope thay will
>>340482675
>thay
Oy vey...
Wait till you play Jak 3, and find out the truth of the Precursors.
>>340483056......oh my God!
>>340479672
It never did on 4chan.
Also keep in mind that 4chan is nowadays full of sheltered underage children who genuinely believe that bad things do not happen in the world.
>>340482982
i spell it Wrong on purpose
>>340483451
Unfortunately, you are a liar. With pants on fire.
>>340483592
>and my dick is about to fire on that ass
Agreed OP, the tone shift is fucking ridiculous. Still a good game along with the third one, just try to forget it has anything to do with the first.
>>340483592
i like to make the grammar freaks mad
>>340479481
Don't bother /v/ is full of people who played jak 2 when they were 12 and unironically liked it
>>340484132
No I didn't, I legitimately liked it.
>>340484132
>enjoyment is a lie
>fun is a meme
>>340483107Get down from that glorious machine!
>>340479481
People who go out of their way to find 10+ year old games and retroactively call them edgy don't deserve the air they breathe.
Gameplay is fine
game is fine
You'll probably hate Jak 3 as well.
>>340484971
Even though II has some cheap deaths due to a lack of polish and testing (seriously ND, what the fuck?), I like it more because it is actually more relaxed and chill than 3.
3 is constantly on a countdown towards THE END OF THE WORLD, while 2 gives you all the time you need to save Haven City; the Baron and Metalheads will wait for you.
I don't think any kids had a problem with Jak or Daxter in the second game, I know I didn't at that age. Sure, it might be a little cringey now, but it was a kids game that I enjoyed and still think about playing because the gameplay is fun. Same with Jak 3 and Ratchet 2 and 3. Besides, Jak actually behaves more like and adult later in the game instead of snapping at everyone and everything.
>>340479481
>never played Jak series growing up
>sick of modern gaming
Are you 12? Congrats on discovering Jak
Jak II definitely marks the time when Naughty Dog drastically dropped in quality because "we grew up and want to make mature games for mature people like ourselves."
Which is hilarious, because just as Jak II and beyond were just shitty GTA clones, Uncharted was just a Indiana Jones knockoff with more movie than actual game. Really just shows that they don't have an original bone in their bodies when they don't have Crash to fall back on.
>>340479481
>has probably played all but 5 different AAA titles and nothing else
>sick of modern gaming
>>340485610
nope
>>340485272
I like three a lot more because wherever you go you see the Guard struggling to fight off the KG-bots and the metalheads on all fronts, and you get to see the front line advance as well as have missions with the guard.
I wish they replaced those outdated fucking find the egg or time run challenges for Guard missions in haven city, so you'd help the guard and get eggs. I just love seeing the guard blast metal heads.
>>340481248
It's a western game, and western porn artists are universally awful
>>340485723
>not liking finding things in a platformer
Jak 2 was one of the hardest games on the ps2. Deal with it
>>340485813
>western porn artists are universally awful
True.
But western artist WHO ALSO do porn are great.
Artists who only do porn are shit. All of them.
>>340485610
>it has hovercar stealing therefore it is a GTA clone
>>340485360
Bitch I'm 26 and I tried the first Jak and Daxter PS2 demo at Best Buy back when the game just came out and I wasn't interested.
But I am sick of all the shooters and cinematic games, and I been having an itch for platformers.
Thus why I got the Jak collection cuz I wanted some platforming, but upon playing Jak II, I'm in some GTA mission styled game with vehicles to get around everywhere.
Its BAD GTA clone, the driving is fucking awful, the map is shit, the vehicle selection is barebones and the city is badly designed.
>>340485904
Maybe. Because the game makes you die many times due to being untested.
>>340485904
When we were all 12 yeah maybe. Just played it again recently and the only mission I didn't clear in one shot was pic related
>>340479481
>What the FUCK were they thinking?
GTA happened.
Seriously, it was released and was huge hit, so Naughty Dog decided they wanted some of that too.
>>340486186
You're just bad.
>>340486125
>>340485947
Do you remember the times when every first person shooter was called "a Doom clone" due to also being first person shooters?
Of course you don't. Because you don't know your gayming history.
>>340486125
How much fucking time did you spend just driving around and jumping from one vehicle to another? Seriously, have you played either GTA or Jak at all? "Oh it has guns and vehicles, it's GTA!".
I'll bet that only 5% of the missions revolved around actual driving.
>>340486237
>not punch spinning through that level
It's even easier if you go dark jak just for the damage reduction it gives. No ammo needed.
>>340485949
There were platforming sections in Jak 2, though. There was the Fortress in the beginning, Dead Town, the Mountain Temple, the strip mine, and the Tomb of Mar later
GTA became a Driver clone. Deal with it.
>>340486564
Or you could just beat it normally.
>>340486332
I know my gayming history underage fuck and the ammount of freeroaming mission based games during the after October 01' exploded, even the fucking Simpsons had a game like that
>>340486571
No, it didn't. Stay wrong.
>>340486656
define normally?
Guns blazin was pretty difficult on that level
>>340479481
Jak suffered from the same thing Dragon Ball did.
First game is like Dragon Ball: it's got
>original setting
>light hearted approach to a serious plot
>great characters
Second game was like early (pre Buu) DBZ
>Jak gets edgy
>big deal with anger issues
>Jak transforms to take on the enemy
>dark future shit
and the third is like Buu saga
>humor is back because Jak grows as a person
>unlocks new transformations (light Jak)
>ends with show down involving Gods
Tl;dr Jak 3 shits all over Jak 2
>>340486329
During the mission with you destroying the giant drill in the caves, when you break all the support cables, Jak stops, and a cutscene plays with the drill blowing up.
If you are on one of the rails above the lava, Jak, who stops automatically, falls in the lave. No amount of GUD will prevent you from dying.
In the Palace mission, after talking to Ashlyn, you go through a passage, climb some platforms, get shot while jumping, fall down and die. Because on your first try, the guards on top of the platforms spawn facing you, shoot, and don't miss. You cannot dodge bullets in this game. You can run away, hoping they'll miss. You cannot dodge bullets. On your first attempt, you get shot, you die. No amount of GUD will help you.
Every now and then, after transforming into Dark Jak, a stray shot transforms you right the fuck back, leaving you stunned in a spot for 2 seconds, rendering you unable to escape enemy shots. If they shoot again, you get hit. No amount of GUD can help you
What was that about the game being well tested.
>>340486841
I prefer to play certain missions as intended by the developer such as not dashing to the end or abusing overpowered things like spin shooting.
It's more fun this way
>>340479481
>make a fun colorful platformer at the end of the genre's prime
>it's tired in concept and mediocre in execution
>the gun platformer that released alongside yours is more loved
>push a 2edgy gun loaded sequel trying to chase yet another trend because you can't make anything original
>it ends up a mess just like last time
it really isn't that hard to figure out
>>340486487
>freeroaming city
>activities and parts of the map opens up as you progress the story
>mission structure progress
>side activities and collectables all around the city
>not a GTA clone
annon plz
>How much fucking time did you spend just driving around and jumping from one vehicle to another?
bitch are you fucking serious? there is no other way of transportation in that clusterfuck of city with relentless psychocops. Getting around in Jak 2 was the WORST part of the game and there is no way you can debate that.
jak 2 is a love hate game for me. i hate the fucking fact that the same exact two songs plays over and over again when your in haven city. but i love the platforming segments and the controls are perfect.
Jak 3 will always be my favourite. I dunno why but I would run away war-torn Haven city for so long helping out these guys from the never ending horde of robots and metal heads. All the missions centered around them were pretty fun too.
>open world game that doesnt have to be open world
thats my biggest gripe with jak 2
>>340479948
This, by Jak 3 he becomes way calmer
>>340487161
jak 3 is my favorite to because i fucking love desert settings
>>340486487
that 5% was responsible for about 80% of my lifetime video game rage.
>>340487206
jak and daxter 1 was the same way
>>340479481
>complains about obsceneties
>entire post is littered with them
also, they were competing with ratchet and clank.
>>340487023
>I sucked, so you all had to as well!
>>340487161
Jak 3 haven city felt a bit comfier for some reason, I guess it's that calm with the rain when you're away from the enemies
>>340487307
>Getting the hoeverboard upgrade that lets you move around in the desert at super speeds
That shit was so fun just being able to jump off the sand dunes doing tricks and shit.
>>340487505
>not allowed to point out the tone change
Also I picked up the Ratchet and Clank Collection as well, and I plan on playing them after the Jak series.
>>340487023
The only way you'll end on top of lava by the end of the rail mission is if you missed them and had to come back the wrong way
They can miss, also you can kill them if you were paying attention.
You'll only transform back if you health runs out, you should've figured this out on your own.
Aside from falling into water being instant death in the the first fragment of mars missions I can't complain, but even then, after I knew, all I had to do was not fall in the water.
At least you didn't complain about pic related 3/10
>>340487115
It takes a whole minute to get from one mission to the next, and the mission progress is identical to Jak 1. There were collectables in Jak 1 and 3, and a fast method to get to each area like warp gates. Travel time is far worse in Jak 3, where you get a whole empty desert plus a speedy hoverboard and light jak flying glitch. How you make Jak 2 out to be the worst in beyond me.
>>340487437
not really
Only thing that annoyed me with Jak 3 was that temple like place near the little city you never enter outside the vehicle. I did all sorts of shit thinking it would be some huge secret.
>>340487691
dsp play jak he fucking sucked
>>340487519
You died cheap death as well.
Are you trying to say you didn't? Did you captured your immaculate no death playthrough on camera?
>>340479672
Are you actually retarded? The story giving reason to Jak being edgy doesn't mean that the game isn't edgy as shit. You realize that Jak isn't a real person right? The tonal shift that Naughty Dog pulled was ridiculous. The game itself is fine, but the atmosphere and story went down the drain with 2.
Jak X was fun
>>340479481
just play gta instead then like the mature gaymer you are
>>340487809
Loved how all the girls had great racks
>>340487409
I'd say the Onin button mashing was worse
>>340487809
Does he actually suck at games or does he pretend? His jak 2 video made me want to Punch the screen
>>340486487
If I remember correctly, there were only a handful that involved actually driving around the city with a ship. There was one where you had to make a delivery to the Hip Hog Saloon, another where you had to pick up money for Krew from money drops around the city, another where you had to turn on power switches, another where you had to free Lurkers that were imprisoned on ships throughout the city, and another where you had to blow up some Krimson Guard ships
That's all I can remember off the top of my head, I play Jak 2 a ton when I was a kid. There are GTA-like elements but to say it's a GTA clone is a bit of an exaggeration, because there are a lot of areas outside the city you have to go to too and there's a much smaller emphasis on side activities
>>340487915
I said I liked the light-hearted tone of the first Jak, you illiterate fuck.
>>340487897
yap wish i had it now
>>340487864
Oh I died, just not in the "unavoidable" ways you claim had to have happened.
>>340487691
>You'll only transform back if you health runs out, you should've figured this out on your own.
Full health bar. Transform. Get shot. In roughly 1/5 cases you transform back. Health percentage does not matter. It's a bug.
Also, your example does not count. You can master it. It is hard, but you can beat it if you're good. In the cases I mentioned, the game just kill you with you having no options but die. That was due to the game not being properly tested. Stop defending Naughty Dog. They make mistakes.
>>340488056
then why complain about how it's a gta clone? do you want lighthearted gta then?
>>340488150
Shame it didn't get ported like the trilogy. Hell, even Ratchet Deadlocked got a port when nobody thought it would.
>>340488042
There was also the race against the KG dude who was trying to get some Keira vag, which made me want to pull my hair out.
>>340488150
aside from that stupid save bug..Game was super fun..Probably my favorite racing game
>>340488159
The game isn't perfect, like driving takes too long and missions are too far apart. The "challenges" are also boring as fuck. But to me you're just another baby git gud complaining about a game's difficulty.
I swear to god that Turret mission in Jak 2 where you gotta shoot down those massive airships in the Fuel depot was the worst mission in the game. Fucking impossible to finish on Hero mode too.
>>340488150
The last game I have to buy.One day I will find out how to extract my copy of Daxter into my computer. And no, I don't want to pirate it. I fucking bought it, I want to know how to do it myself.
>>340488469
Normal mode was frustrating, but doable. Hero mode it was insane, since the godmode cheat didn't affect the turret.
>>340488504
We need more lewds of the girls.
>>340488673
*smooths eyebrows*
*smacks lips*
im finna juck praxis nukka ya heard
I think the worst parts about Jak 2-3 were that you couldn't go back and get collectables if you missed them in certain places. You had to do the exploit then.
>>340488584
I hope you had better luck at it then I did. I couldn't even get past the first gate because it just constantly sends out wave, after wave after wave of KG soldiers that do a fuckton of damage and you gotta kill 200 of the bastards before you could move on.
>>340488210
Nah he'd probably rather play a pure platformer like the first one instead of some badly done run & gun with the ocasional platforming section
>>340488438
>But to me you're just another baby git gud complaining about a game's difficulty.
I am not the anon you think I am.I am a different anon.All I am saying is that some missions were left untested, and are partially broken, leading to cheap deaths you cannot avoid, not matter your skill. And the reason later levels don't have checkpoints or health packs, is because ND forgot to put those there, or did not have time.
>>340488764
>>340488816
Can't remember my exact strat, but I think I just shot wildly while focusing on the few pockets of enemies that would build up. I recall they always came from both sides as they got close to shoot you.
>>340488781
3 doesn't have that problem. You can return to any place with orbs.
>>340488926
rekt
>>340488838
>And the reason later levels don't have checkpoints or health packs, is because ND forgot to put those there, or did not have time
[citation needed]
>>340488947
my mistake then. i still have to complain about something so I'm just going to say the part you have to chase the lizard things and make daxter jump on them
>>340488947
Weren't there actually more orbs than needed so you could essentially get the requisite number for the unlocks?
X, X, O, R1
The best part was the dsp playthrough
>>340489051
I thought it was obvious. Oh well, if you can't see it...
>>340489206
Yes. But some people (aka me, and a few others) would love to collect everything.
SIG!!!!!
:'(
>>340489613
No Guns playthrough was better.
>>340489259[_] X O R1
how
>>340489920
autism
>>340487691
that pic gives me ptsd
worst early game mission in any game
>>340488673
>>340488732
We really do. Its crazy considering it is a pretty well known series. If i ever get the money i wanna commission a decent artist to do some work. Give the world some good porn.
Endjoy:
https://soundcloud.com/joshmancell/jak2-renegade-main-theme (official upload by the composer)
https://soundcloud.com/freqrexy/jak-ii-medley-haven-in-harmony-2016-re-master (fan remix)
Was Jak 2 really that hard? I didn't remember having that much of a difficult time with it when I played it as a kid. Then again that was years ago so maybe I just forgot
>>340484971
Kindly fuck off back to some shitty upvote/downvote site then with that attitude. Even I saw it as being much more edgier back when it was released.
>>340490075
It was kind of hard but there were plenty of harder games to get PTSD from. You probably played those and forgot all about it.
>>340490082
game
fine
>>340489779
>It must be poor playtesting because I say so!
>>340490043
thanks mayun
>>340490075
I replayed it, there's a few trouble spots where you will probably die a few times until you remember the general areas enemies are. Beyond that, if you're decent at vidya, no.
>>340490075
the difficulty spikes are fucking ridiculous. It'll go from babby-game to completely unforgiving in one mission.
The checkpoint system also is really frustrating and makes the game completely unfun.
I will never understand the NaughtyDrones who defend this game to the death, it's terrible.
Anyone here play Daxter on the PSP? breddy gud.
>>340490075
it was then i played it over and over again then it got easy
>>340490376
Here we observe the bellow average skillet
His poor reflexes and lack of critical thinking make him incapable of enjoying the upper increment of games.
>>340490551
You can claim whatever you want, faggot. Jak 2 is an awful game and no amount of damage control will change that fact. Jak 3 is alirght along with the first one, but nothing NaughtyDog has ever done has been good.
>>340490385
Yeah it actually wasn't too bad.
>>340490663
And you keep claiming that it's awful, doesn't mean you're right.
>>340487250
To add to this, he begins to understand and master light eco powers, a good symbol of his balance
>>340479672
>Jak 1 is a lovely, kid friendly paradise with goofy monster
>Jak 2 pointlessly makes Jak an edgelord
His reasons for being an edgy cunt aren't the issue. The jump from a cute platformer to GTA-lite is the problem.
>>340490329
>it must be the devs' intention to put cheap deaths in because I say so!
>>340490385
One of the best platformers ever. A stripped down move set also helped it on the P"Less Buttons Is Better"SP.
>>340490663
Nothing naughty dog has ever done has been good?
Are you OK?
>>340491306
>I've only seen pictures of Jak and/or only echo other people's opinions
>>340491442
>they're cheap because I suck so much dick!
>>340491687
>jak 1 is jumping on dumb enemies heads
>jak 2 is driving and shooting
>>340491751
Where is the footage of you beating all the unfair missions without dying on your first attempt? You are yet to show us your otherwordly skillz.
>>340491884
>skillz
Fuck off, kid.
>>340491884
>"m-muh artificial difficulty!"
>>340491884
>unfair missions
I have never understood this mentality. The game defines the conditions of how you can beat. By definition it cannot be unfair, besides your own personal feelings towards it.
>>340487949
>tfw a video game magazine cover like this would NEVER be allowed in our current SJW controlled world
What happened to the good times.
>>340479481
It came out the same year Prince of Persia 2 and Shadow the Hedgehog released. The year of the edge.
I forgot how fucking fun the Jak trilogy was. Tried to emulate it first but the eye glitch was still a thing. the PS3 ports seem good enough though
>>340485949
You have to be 18 to post on 4chan
>>340492274
na its fine
>>340490043
>no way to adjust volume from those embedded links
I swear it's like they don't even try to do it right
>>340493072
>embedded links
You open then in a new tab.
>>340492592
My nigga. Only HD collection I've purchased so far
>>340492592
How do you like black faced Kor?
Who cares if the tone changes so much if it was still a fun game?
>>340493158
Yeah, or they could get rid of this 'like' and 'share' shit that no one uses, and add a way to adjust volume, uh?
I mean, hey, it's not like they're paid to think about this kind of shit, right?
>>340479481
Jak II is fucking godly though, even with how weird the writing is.
>>340493263
It is an old tradition to bring that up. It is also a conversation starter.
>>340493213
I got a few of em to be honest but the Jak one is one of the best. Working on Jak 2 right now in between levels of Doom
>>340493263
My thoughts exactly! There are plenty of games that make changes in setting and tone even if they are in the same series.
>>340493263
The gameplay changed toofor the worse
1=3>2
X is a fun spinoff
Lost Frontier is boring but I like the story because Keira is best girl.
Ratchet > Jak > Sly
>>340491306
>Kid Friendly Paradise
Did you play the same game I did?
>>340490936
Thank you for this.
>>340493386
The Jak series is interesting because of the time period it spanned during release. When Jak 1 came out, it was a product of the "You must have a platformer character as your mascot" attitude that PS1 sort of had with Crash, but Sony bounced around with Tomb Raider, Crash, the apes from Ape Escape, Spyro, and so on. Jak 1 checked all the right mascot boxes. Then when jak 2 comes out, games were shifting focus away from cutesy platforming and kid friendly to much darker and story focused. That potential PS1 roster of mascots touched on this with adverts including guys like Raziel from LoK. It's really, really interesting to dissect.
>>340493476
>but I like the story
I think the story was good, but paced poorly. Most people would disagree.
>>340486237
I can usually cheese my way through this on the hoverboard.
>>340493629
Jak and Daxter was kid friendly.
>>340491824
>Jak 1
>Jumping on heads
bruh...
>>340479481
>GTA
You read the IGN review, didn't you?
>>>/reddit/
>>340493808
Another method is to punch non-stop. It works 90% of the time. No Guns playthrough used that.
>>340493635
your welcome
>>340493797
Nah, it's easily the best story of any of the games, because it's not just a means to an end or an edge festival. Keira becoming a sage is logical progression, and the VA is way better than previous titles even though I'm upset her original VA left after Jak 2.
The game is just lackluster, it's not awful though. Easily the weakest entry overall, unfortunately. Would have liked to see a sequel.
>>340493848
Sorry. Jumping on heads and spin kicking. You could sort of argue the gun mechanics with the that fireball projectile eco, but that's a stretch. it did have some vehicle sections but it was completely changed for Jak 2.
>>340493724
This
When Jak 1 came out, I loved it as a simple and fun-first platformer
By the time Jak 2 came out, I was reeling from GTA Vice City so it felt appropriate as an answer
How hard is it to understand that it was a different time period?
How many people on this board are so autistic that they can't understand scope beyond their present existence?
>>340486951
You forgot Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier is like Dragon Ball GT
>Not canon
>Not made by the original creator
>It's Shit
>Fans pretend it doesn't exists
>>340486951
>life is an end and not a journey
>>340494328
>Not canon
Wasn't Last Frontier the last Jak game? Whose to say it isn't canon?
>>340494480
The fans, because is was so shit.
>>340494328
The only truth here is that it's not by the original creator.
It is canon because nothing has decanonized it.
It's not shit, it's just not as good as the others. Fans do anything but pretend it doesn't exist.
>>340481289
underrated post
>>340487949
>SSX Tricky
>>340493868
>reading reviews
I don't know shit about Jak series.
First that happened in the city was accidentally punch a civilian cuz I didn't know if I could hurt them, then I jacked a car, and road over people cuz I didn't know about hover right at that moment, and get chased by police.
Yeah, you're right.
It's nothing like GTA at all.
Let alone all the missions I been doing is going to their icon by following the mini-map around the city.
Nah that's not like GTA either.
>>340487949
>Soul Reaver 2
>Silent Hill 2 (?)
>Jak & Daxter
>Metal Gear Solid 2
>Tony Hawk 3
>Devil May Cry
>Gran Turismo
>All in the same year
The PS2 was truly the king of its time
>>340493868
ND literally said they loved GTA3 and wanted to make the game like that.
>>340495004
Honestly, I think the PS1 compatibility of PS2 edges it out over SNES as the best single console in history. A fucking solid first party library, tons of third party gems. It's only real drawback was that abysmal network adapter and shit online play.
>>340485723
>In Jak 3 Jak still targets Guards even though they're the good guys now
Always bothered me. Whatever code handled the targeting should have had them be the same civilians.
>>340495205
the SNES was never in the running, only Nintendrones pretend otherwise
Nintendo's only real contender for GOAT is the GBA
I liked elements of The Last Frontier. Just wish that game was done a whole lot better.
>>340495485
Same.
I used to hate Jak 2 and 3 when I was younger, but I came around on them when I played the HD versions. I'd probably say Jak 2 is my favorite PS2 game despite its more frustrating elements. The checkpoints may be unforgiving, and there's no denying that it's a GTA clone, but Jak 2 has fun gunplay, a hoverboard, and bodacious babes.
>>340495606
the fact that people like Jak 2 more than Jak 3 in any respect is baffling.
i feel like it might be hipsters saying it, or people who actually haven't played the games since 2004
although I also hear people saying RC Going Commando is better than Up Your Arsenal, so maybe it's just being wrong
>Jak & Daxter: The precursors Legacy
>Jak II
>Jak 3
This always bothered me. Also Jak II isn't as bad or difficult as people say, the only part I really hated was the turret part when you need to kill like 50 enemies, it was pretty annoying because you are forced to use inverted controls for turrets for some retarded reason, with non-inverted controls it would be pretty easy.
>>340495606
If Jak 2 HD is on the ps3, then how is Jak 2 your favorite ps2 game.
>>340495741
>People don't share my opinion, AND THEY'RE WRONGGGGGG
>>340487161
Glad to see I wasn't the only one that spent hours fighting off the Metal Heads and KG bots with these guys.
>>340488006
He actually does suck. But he thinks he's hot shit for some reason. I know he thinks he's hot shit at fighting games because he beat some professional in a buggy as hell port of Street Fighter that no one plays and had different inputs than the original version and other changes.
>>340495932
i don't think it's an opinion thing though, both of those examples are OBJECTIVELY superior sequels
there's nothing in Jak 2 that isn't in Jak 3, and all of it is better
same for RC 2 to 3
opinions are like Majora's Mask vs OoT, or FF5 vs 6. not in this situation
>>340488335
Save bug?
>>340496074
So you're suggesting that opinions aren't objective; but yours is.
>>340495932
Because it really isn't much different than the original PS2 version. I guess I can't really count it, but I still really like Jak 2 and I make a point to play through the J&D trilogy every summer.
>>340496169
no, i'm "suggesting" that it's not a question of opinion
there is such a thing as objective quality, and as such there are also objective improvements
jak 3 is an objective improvement over jak 2, in all ways. people who say jak 2 is their favorite are opting for an objectively inferior project, only fueled by nostalgia.
Jak games
>first one a light hearted platformer
>2nd is a darker, more combat based
>3rd is a combo of the 2, with platforming coming back a lot more and expansion of weapons
Dragon ball series
>First is a light hearted comedy
>2nd is a darker more combat based show
>GT tries to combine the 2 with bringing back the comedy and making the action even bigger
>>340488294
>do the race against Errol and win
>later see that there's a blue question mark sign there that lets you replay it if you want but against some random mother fucker from the underground
>start doing it occasionally because I like racing but I don't like the physics on the NYFE-Zoomers in the stadium
>eventually hear "Congratulations, you have achieved the bronze record" and get some orbs
>had no idea you got orbs from races, thought you only found them out in the world and from the search missions from the underground to learn the city's layout
>the completionist in me comes to life
>>340496320
Wow, so there is "objective quality" and you, anon, are the suggested sole judge of it. Congratulations.
For one second, get your head out of your ass.
>>340481102
Do you also think Warrior Within wasn't edgy? FFS, Jak 2 took a lighthearted fun game and made it full of teenage angst.
It's a fun game but fuck me they changed the tone of that series on a dime.
>>340488926
I kind of wish Jak got that sword and could use it.
>>340496402
Does the 3rd Jak game really cut out the "excess" story line and characterization to bring more action and comedy though?
>>340496482
objective means there is no judgement involved, fool.
if your favorite game is Jak 2, that's completely fine, but you do have to realize that it is inferior in every measurable way. it's mathematically worse, not something most games can be.
I love Jak 1-3 equally. They are all some of my favorite games ever and I hope one day Naughty Dog makes a new one
>>340489206
If you want to unlock the green scarf you have to get every orb. I have not tested to see if you can get it without collecting every orb in hero mode since whatever orbs you have in the normal mode carry over into hero mode when you start it from the secret menu.
>>340496402
>and making the action even bigger
The action in GT is heavily downplayed, even when Baby, S17 and the Dragons are supposed to be stronger than Buu, they cause less destruction than Frieza. Kid buu destroyed earth and almost destroyed the Kaioh-Shins planet, while the stronger Dragon made little damage to a city.
Jak II had more swearing. It was scarier too.
>>340496601
>your
You are the epitome of I'M RIGHT YOUR WRONG
Go back to tumblr.
>>340496625
they won't. Naughty Dog is done making video games but they don't know how to make movies well enough so they settle for a mediocre version of both.
Neil Druckmann would probably deny any involvement on Jak 3 at this point.
>>340489920
Still waiting on that guy to upload more models from those games so I can use them as art references. I'd do it myself but every guide I find using google just says "get someone that knows how to rip models to do it for you". Probably doesn't help that the Jak games' code is a fucking mess and they're actually hybrid PS1/PS2 games.
>>340496749
>leave, so I can win the argument without making any actual points!
nah i'm good dawg, enjoy jak 2
>>340482568
Why is Chloe so hot, holy shit.
>tfw when not in Uncharted 4's campaign (not that she would add anything)
Jak 1 is pretty good, but still little bit too easy, also characters are kinda bland. I just felt it gets better in 2, it gets harder, characters get more interesting and jumping/collecting gameplay is still there, but now with R&C-styled weapons, but not as good. Sure, it's edgier and kinda weird continuation (like Warrior Within with Prince of Persia), but it works. I didn't think that first one had that much charm.
>>340487161
>tfw you push deep in the enemy territory with your comrades only to see them die slow deaths
>>340496896
>Jak 3 Is best because OBJECTIVE logic on my part alone kek
nah i'm good dawn, enjoy jak 3
>>340479481
Man I remember reading an article in gamepro about Jak II and being so confused. Reading how it was gonna be GTA like, and having Jak talk, I thought it was gonna be shit, but they made it work. I don't blame anyone for dropping it after the first one though, its such a drastic change.
>>340488335
Greatest Hits version fixed the save bug.
>>340495741
Eh, I prefer Jak 2 because I dislike desert areas in games, the wheeled vehicles control worse than the hover variety to me, and the plot twists towards the end are weird.
They're both good games though, so I see no reason to debate.
>>340494480
>>340494579
Its fucking shit
>mfw a new Crash game is announced in this year E3
>Game is called "Jak AND DAXTER"
>Second game is just "Jak"
>Following games are just "Jax [x]"
Explain this bullshit to me. Why take Daxter out of the title?
>>340497439
>YFW hes in Skylanders
>>340497473
I think that they first game could have just passed as Jak
>>340495205
Eh, I don't think online should really be counted. I mean every console with online will have it discontinued at one point. So eventually no one will be able to play online and all you have left is the offline capabilities.
But I didn't get into the PS2 until after the PS4 launched and I'm still glad I bought the thing. I just wish I had more controllers.
>>340479481
GTA 4 came out.
>playing through the PS3 collection
how in the shit did I beat all of these games when i was little? Now I can't get past the fucking rail shooter in jak 2
>>340497505At this point, I would get the Crash toy day one just to play new adventures with him
>>340497473
>Not called Daxter and Jak
>>340497660
Careful with what you wish for, anon. Let's not forget what happened to Spyro.
>>340495741
>I also hear people saying RC Going Commando is better than Up Your Arsenal, so maybe it's just being wrong
UYA introduced a lot of new elements on top of what GC introduced but whether those elements were good or not is up to opinion. But if you're on the opinion that it's not then it makes UYA seem less good overall. There are people that don't like the hovership, the galactic ranger missions, the fact that dog fighting and hoverbike racing was removed, and then how UYA handled the crystal gathering level compared to how GC handled its.
And then there's the fact that if you compare UYA to GC and then compare GC to the first game. UYA just doesn't seem as great a leap forward as GC was.
So all this in mind you can see how some can see GC as the better game.But I'm one of those people that likes Deadlocked the most out of the PS2 games. Opinions gonna opinion, man.
>>340495861
Wasn't Jak II called Jak: Renegade in some regions?
>>340495004
HAS TIME TRAVELED BEEN INVENTED? I FUCKING 2010s!
>>340497505
kek
>>340488159
Having played the game hundreds of times, and not having that transformation problem you clambered on about happen even once, it's clear to me that you're probably just terrible, and looking for an excuse to why you're shit.
>>340479481
>le jak 2 is edgy mehmeh xD
This meme will live as long as you retards do which is unfortunately forever.
>>340497505
>mfw he Crash the skylanders franchise with no survivors
>>340488838
Are you retarded? The game is incredibly forgiving, and there are checkpoints everywhere. If you're struggling that much, you're probably just rubbish.
>>340497505
Tangential, but those Crash and spyro GBA games were surprisingly fucking fantastic.
