Reminder that Steam tried to sell mods that were buggy and incomplete - and PC gamers tried to defend this.
>>340433035
>and PC gamers tried to defend this.
I thought pretty much everyone save for the modders themselves and a few white knights were up in arms about the whole thing.
>>340433035
>Tried to defend this
Didnt it get shutdown a week after due to backlash?
> PC gamers tried to defend this
I'M LEL SHITPOSTING!
>>340433035
>PC gamers tried to defens this
You literally can't be this underage
>>340433035
>PC gamers tried to defend this
Thats why it lasted a week.
>>340433035
MODS!
>>340433035
I wish noko were still a thing.
Are you being paid, or do you just like acting like a retard and telling lies?
>>340433430
This
Unlike sonycucks who took paid online up the ass, pc users insulted gabe until he reverted it
>>340433035
Why are you telling lies on the Internet anon?
>>340433035
It's almost as if you're assblasted about Fallout 4 mods on consoles and the fact they'll never utilize the SE.
>>340433678
Brainfart, meant sage.
>>340433035
>PC gamers tried to defend this.
Then who managed to stop that initiative ?
>>340433171
Even most modders were against it.
>>340433171
A bunch of modders tried to defend it, and then people just stole their mods and uploaded them and made a ton of money off of their work and then they also threw a hissy fit.
>>340433312
It's been making a comeback in certain games and will most definitely be back for Fallout 4.
>>340433337
>>340433346
All Gaben literally had to do was setup a twitter and you morons went "BASED GABEN'
>>340433035
>tried to defend this.
Only modders and modder cock suckers did.
Everyone else bitched and rightfully so.
>>340433035
>PC gamers tried to defend this.
that is some tasty bait.
although i like to add a little sage to mine.
>>340433035
>and PC gamers tried to defend this.
no i didnt
>>340433035
no, PC gamers all fought against it and stopped it from happening.
If this happened to consoles, NIntendo and Sony would have ignored the console babbies and even more of them would have been complacent of it, kind of like they are with no backwards compat and having to rebuy their PS2 classic games, etc. Nice try tho.
It's just retarded valvedrones and/or americans. Can't upset your corporate overlords.
thought the pic was that faggot from overwatch
>>340433997
I forgot about that.
Americans getting mad at euros for introducing the refund system
Fucking kek
>>340433035
everyone was against paid mods, including the modders
but pretty much everybody unanimously agreed that having an optional donation button is perfectly acceptable. Instead Valve just canned the entire thing
Valve is such a shit company, I don't know why anyone defends them.
The only games they make are low budget mods or rehashes of older games and they only make the game if they can figure out a way to put in some retarded cash shop for little virtual goods.
Then they try to get money off of the free work of modders for a game they didn't even make.
Valve just sits back and takes money from retards without doing any work at all.
>>340433035
Gaben said he got close to 4k mails when he came back from his vacation.
I wonder how many of those contained the words "fat" and "jew".
>>340433858
He has a twitter?
>>340433035
>and PC gamers tried to defend this.
Hey, get a load of this retard.
>>340433805
But sage is still a thing, dummy.
>>340434124
most of it is just /int/ shitposting though
>>340434162
actually, the Nexus admin and a couple high profile modders Totalbiscuit got in a YT discussion of the issue were all for it, just criticized the execution and the cut Valve would get on sales
As a matter of fact, the Nexus big wig spent more time whining bout entitled leechers that don't comment/upboat mods on his site
>>340434242
He actually reads his e-mail?
I should've sent him some
>>340433805
Fuck dude. Really? How long had Noko been obsolete
>>340434581
since the inline extension became a thing iirc
>>340433035
what armor mod is in the pic? it actually looks super edgy and cool
>>340434485
Yes he even went to reddit to defend the decision.
But even those imbeciles knew it's jewish as fuck.
>>340433035
"Lore-Friendly" argonian assassin armor that Argonians shouldn't even be able to wear because of the helmet shape.
>>340434745
Are you American ? would explain your difficulties to actually read the fucking thing
>>340433840
I meant the modders who were selling their mods for money.
Also forgot to note Gaben himself was defending it, though he got btfo shortly after.
>>340434761
>>340434745
>Says what armor it is
Are you fucking retarded?
>>340435119
>-1957 points
God damn
>>340435119
valvedrones unequivocally blown the fuck out.
gabe and valve are bad for gaming.
>>340435216
It's at -40k now
>>340433035
Quality thread OP.
>>340435119
Neither of them are right.
>>340435312
>>340435216
>>340435403
I have a lot of respect for Reddit for not being the cucks I think /v/ would have been if Gaben had posted here instead.
We'd definitely see more high quality mods made if there was money involved. Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded.
>>340435512
>>340435523
>>We'd definitely see more high quality mods made if there was money involved.
>The mod in the OP had to be cheated in through the dev console cause it wasn't placed properly in the game
>The in game character model wasn't even properly modeled to even wear it
Yeah, sure.
>>340435523
>We'd definitely see more high quality mods made if there was money involved.
i really hope you're being paid for this, a bit less shameful than unironically believing it
>>340435521
No, you would have seen a lot more posts like
>Gaben you're a fat jew nigger
instead
>>340435704
No I honestly believe I would see the typical
>DUDE GABEN STICK YOUR COCK UP MY ASS OMG UR SO AWESOME
Type of autism posts /v/ always wheels out when someone famous posts
>>340434435
>most of it is just /int/ shitposting though
lol no
There were a bunch of threads htting bump limit on that topic back then and they were full of americans raging about consumer rights.
>>340435523
Not necessarily. You would see competition that would result in a cluster fuck.
Didn't some of the modders who were trying to sell their mods for money permanently remove them from the workshop out of salt?
>>340435521
Please go be retarded in reddit.
>>340435523
lol
>>340435845
>OMG IF YOU'RE A RETARD THAT BUYS A BAD THING THEN YOU DON'T DESERVE YOUR MONEY BACK!!!1
This is why people make fun of America.
>>340435523
We definitely would not, the modding community lives off of each other, and there's not an entity with its head as far up its ass as modders.
>>340435521
>>340435814
It's so much easier to shill here being anonymous and all. I wish we had thread ids.
>>340433858
He doesn't even have a Twitter, you actual retard. What are you on about?
>>340435869
That's what I heard. Never checked for myself. It seems believable.
>>340433035
Reminder that everyone continues to sell games that are buggy and incomplete to this day - and no one cares.
>>340436318
>and no one cares.
Is this what they called wilful ignorance?
>>340433035
But this is true you PCucks.
We are now even at that point that it's illegal to mod CS:GO. Thanks Valve!
Truly the masterrace!Buy our Steam Controller today with Steam Link for an extra 30% discount!!!!
I just wish this happened because modders who sign up for this and their cocksuckers will be mad once their mod gets pirated easily
No sane fucking person is going to pay for something that's been free for years
>>340435814
>I Honestly believe
Really? To me it seems the scale has shifted massively in regards to valve. Comments have gone from calling them GOAT (four years ago) to calling them shit. I legitimately do not see any Gaben cock sucking any longer.
>>340433035
>PC gamers tried to defend this
Yeah, that's why Immersive Paywall was in the top 5 purchased mods for the week that shitstorm lasted.
>>340434581
Didn't they invert noko's functionality?
I'm testing via this post.
>>340433035
Did blizzard really steal reaper design from this
>>340435869
Good riddance.
They committed a cardinal sin in the modding community. If I had been using their mods I would have uninstalled them out of principle.
You DON'T try to charge people for your work. We aren't game developers, we're players, and the faggots who think they should be compensated get ostracized for it. As they should.
DELETE THIS
>>340433035
This whole fucking debacle brought out money hungry and ugly jews from the woodworks.
Before that the 'paid mods' was pretty much just for some big stuff or something not many played or did anyways, and once this happened then BOOM, you got alot of modders making paid versions of their mod while their nose grew like on fucking Pinochio
>>340436863
At one point noko would be saved in the field allowing you to return to the thread without having to worry about manual input. It's been several years since it was necessary.
>>340433035
>First paid mods didn't go so well, so why don't we make it so mods work on consoles so other people fixing our games becomes a selling point?
>Brilliant!
Though it is really funny reading all the children screaming 'OMG IS THIS COMING TO PS4!?!' in the comments of mods that obviously require script extenders and shit.
>>340433035
The vast majority of modders and players were against it.
A tiny minority of modders and some white knight fans defended it, then someone stole and uploaded their mods to Steam, suddenly the modders who defended it were now against it.
>>340433858
>It's been making a comeback in certain games
Really? What games?
>>340437314
Yeah pretty much
>Mods often made in modders free time. Usually crafted well and involve fun and interesting ideas. While donations are there its often done for fun
>Steam Paid Mods come out
Suddenly
>PAY ME MONEY
>I CAN'T MAKE MODS WITHOUT MONEY
>Shift in focus to skin mods as those are what make the most money and the most cost effective.
So many modders pushing the paid mods for a couple of cents, not realizing that only getting a 25% cut off of their work was basically allowing Steam and the devs to fuck them for free.
>>340433840
The actual modders were entirely against it. Valve commissioned their most popular dota2 skin creators to shit out cosmetics for Skyrim with the launch of their mod store in an attempt to astroturf. That was the most disgusting part of the whole operation.
What happens when the creator of SKSE says his mod is free but will not allow people using it for profit, and then a person who makes a mod for profit uses SKSE as a dependency?
Classic example of Valve not knowing what the fuck they are doing.
>>340439563
I know that skyui guy wasn't. He even said he was going to make updates restricted to the paid version.
>>340439901
and then his paid for shit got leaked here. it was glorious.
schlongster is and will be a pompous supercilious cunt
Reminder that /v/ had a significant minority defending paid mods and still do to this day.
Reminder that letting any type of drone, including Valvedrones, fester in your community will cause them to defend their company to their dying breath, no matter how many bad decisions they make.
>>340433035
>new ways to support workshop creators
Supporting is donating. Forcing us to pay for them is just selling us a product.
>>340438569
>>340433035
The implementation was wrong but there's no problem with charging for mods in principle. It's essentially outsourced DLC. The people who are against it tend to misinterpret it as "now I have to pay for a thing I was getting for free". They fail to understand paid mods would raise the quality and quantity of mods. And if you don't like paying you can probably still pirate them anyway.
>i-i-it would raise the quality of mods!
It'll end up like DLC and everybody gets overcharged for less and less content. They were already selling single armor sets and weapons for $2.
>>340440989
It's not outsourced DLC. They're mods. Stop trying to redefine everything to suit your argument, and keep your grubby little corporate fingers out of our hobbyist community.
>>340440989
>$60 game
>plus $50 season pass
>plus another $20 because nearly every game has some stupid cash shop now
>plus ANOTHER $20 because to make the game good the devs rely on mod communities
suck my cock, Chaim. i want to buy 1 video game and receive 1 full video game. im tired of video games becoming nothing more than a platform to sell you more shit.
>>340433035
>pc gamers defended it
Let's not shift on anyone as a group, that's just retarded. PC was all against it with some exceptions. I imagine even console fags were against it.
>>340440989
>They fail to understand paid mods would raise the quality and quantity of mods.
That's a best case scenario. Just think about how DLC is now. Bethesda made horse armor to test the waters, and it was universally despised. Although they've never made such a shit DLC since, every other company has. Paid mods will be the same. A few good things, but mostly single weapon or armor mods. While there will be some great expansion-like mods, there already are some of them being made now.
>>340433035
Never forget.Never everforget.
>>340441547
/v/ was packed with defenders of it. Only a couple months ago we had mostly pro-paid mod threads, even in the middle of Steam security issues they were out shilling.
>>340435523
Some of the mods released on the very fucking first day of Paid Mods were babby's first quality. That skeleton armor in the screenshot? Those weren't seperate pieces, it was just a helmet item that covered your entire body. I ain't paying money for that nigger to be lazy.
Don't even get me started on that guy who got fucked over when someone sold a mod that used assets from his free mod
>>340441762
seeing these gabe comments on reddit was eye opening for me, and it should be for everyone else that hasn't seen them
>>340441883
That's ridiculous, what the fuck? Sounds like outright contrarianism, really.
I'd NEVER pay for my huge booty mod.
>>340439732
valve already clarified that they can still use and upload it, the modders wishes doesn't matter
>>340442278
>>340441762
Pretty much. We didn't start getting
>Valve monopoly
>Valve's customer service
>Gabe is a businessman and not a gamer
threads and fucking NEWS ARTICLES until this hit
>>340440157
I can't imagine how mad he was after paid mods failed.
>>340441295
>It's not outsourced DLC. They're mods. Stop trying to redefine everything to suit your argument
It was an hyperbole.
>and keep your grubby little corporate fingers out of our hobbyist community.
Pick any industry you want. Now take money out of the equation and consider how it would fare. How would videogames be right now if no one was allowed to charge money for them? How would they be and who would be making them? You would probably have a lot less of them and of more questionable quality. maybe you think they'd be good but regardless they would probably be nothing more than whatever a man can manage to squeeze out from his free time. So back to reality: if those games are good then why don't companies sell you the 1 hobbyestman vidya dev game? Probably because the other company hired 2 hobbyestmen and now their game has more whistles so they're all buying theirs instead.
Mods are undeniably and unavoidable subject to the same rules were they to be a paid product, and so would anything else that made the same transition, because that is simply the nature capitalism.
>>340441627
It's not exactly a best case scenario, it's more like unavoidable commercial darwinism. Anyone who has any intention of making a living out of it is forced to make a better product than their competition.
>>340435523
Based on..........
>>340433035
>PC gamers complain about mods being a dying art
>valve uses capitalist ideas to encourage modern
>entitled PC cucks lose their shit
Granted the system was dumb but it'd not the worst thing they have done
>>340434124
about that
you will never see 90% off older titles and AAA games baring some indie trash because of this policy
this was a regular staple when valve had some of their first sets of summer sales around 2010 or 2011
>>340434162
>but pretty much everybody unanimously agreed that having an optional donation button is perfectly acceptable. Instead Valve just canned the entire thing
Well, of course. Valve and Bethesda don't get a cut from donations.
>>340434876
And it's all one piece, so you lose three enchantment slots. And you have to use the console to get it.
>>340441124
>looking at the paid mods for skyrim back when that shit was going down
>there's this one shitty sword from DOTA or something
>it's 2 dollars
Why the fuck would I buy one shitty sword when I can go on the nexus and get hundreds of swords that actually fit into the game?
>>340433035
For anyone interested here is a page that review all the mods that were chosen by Valve to launch this shit.
http://imgur.com/gallery/bqcla
>>340443131
it's not a dying art for Bethesda games because Bethesda is good about releasing mod tools for their games. skyrim grew to be one of the biggest modding platforms gaming has ever seen in just a few short years without a single paid mod. we don't need paid mods for growth, we need mod tools.
the reason mods are dead for other companies is that they don't release mod tools or even ALLOW mods. the battlefield series used to be known for its great mods, but that series hasn't had a mod for it for any game after battlefield 2 because DICE has become so strict about what they allow. the story is similar with other franchises.
>>340443142
>you will never see 90% off older titles and AAA games baring some indie trash because of this policy
This literally never happened anyway you fucking idiot. Pre-refunds, it was shitty with 66%-75% off only with very few games going into the 80's/90's. The sales are still the exact same post refunds
Nice try though you anti-refund scumfuck.
>>340436632
Valve lost a lot of good will when it became clear they weren't interested in making games anymore, and instead only cared about making money off of other people's work.
>>340444138
the above tagged were 90% off
also, overlord 1 and 2. this was years before the humble bundle
>>340444138
The only people against refunds are indiedevs and companies that release broken games.
>>340433171
>>340433312
>>340433337
>>340433430
Okay, PCucks. Now you are just lying.
I bet Germany was totally against having Nazis in power in the 40's as well.
Where were you when Gabe "the fat jew" Newell got so BTFO that he abandoned his reddit account
>>340445091
>what is burden of proof
>consolefags in charge of basic logic
>>340443808
>>340443808
jesus christ this is even worse than everybody thought. how did they fuck up this badly?
>>340433035
>PC gamers tried to defend this.
lol, I don't quite think you clearly remember what happened, you colossal faggot.
>>340445427
Holy shit
B T F O
T
F
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>>340444884
>before humble bundle
well... technically, the same time as humble bundle.
>>340445091
Thanks for giving me a screenshot to prove what unintelligible babies consolefags are/
>>340444884
>A bunch of old as fuck games
WOW! Such triple AAA titles like Beat Hazard and Titan Quest!
You sure showed me!
>>340445627
years before humble bundle did a deal with overlord 1 and 2
i couldn't find the receipt but those were $2 total. meanwhile the second game only came out a few years prior
>>340433035
>Reminder that Steam tried to sell mods that were buggy and incomplete
Yeah? And it's called modding? Mods aren't made by professionals there's constantly going to be fixes in the future for these mods.
>>340445757
did you even read the date the games were purchased? did you not notice how some games were tagged while others weren't? you do realize valve only shows the total for each sale which doesn't help in this case
are you fucking stupid? of course you are
>>340445994
Sorry bub those weren't impressive sales and the only reason that Baseball game was cheap was because of losing the license soon
>>340433697
/Thread
>>340433697
To this day I am still mad about having to pay for P2P for both consoles.
>>340446398
so you just moved the goalposts from triple A titles to the subjective PoV of one anonymous user and what he believes is an impressive Triple A title
Do humanity a favor and just kill yourself.
>>340443015
>muh industry capitalizm
Fuck you man. Mods don't need fucking developer teams. That's what DEVELOPERS are for.
So far mods have subsisted on mom-and-pop DOES-IT-FOR-FREE work since their conception. In fact it's THRIVED on it- the inherent cooperation and non-existent barrier to entry resulted in a huge plethora of unrestricted, highly-inter-related creative content.
People collaborated and made shit they wanted, exactly how they wanted it, just for the sake of doing so.
Injecting competitive forces into such a system would SHUT DOWN the cooperation that made it great, completely overriding it with toxic capitalist bullshit- niggers stealing others' work and pushing out garbage mods in an effort to make a quick buck.
Because they don't give a shit about the game, or the community, or their own fucking experience- they don't even fucking play the game.
They're just in it for the money.
And there's no way such an 'industry', fuck you for trying to make it into one, could support more than one or two of your paid mod teams.
Everything would be made by some random asshole or another who have to DRAG themselves to the computer to put in the same amount of time and effort an autist who actually plays the game would (and does) put in willingly.
Because mods are not multi-million-dollar products. They don't need to be, they never were. The few pieces of official DLC a company puts out already fill the niche you want to overstuff through destroying the already-existing modding ecosystem. There's NO NEED for it.
Stop trying to wring more money out of the players you fuck.
>this same god damn thread again
>claims that mods were "defended" so much so the whole thing abandoned in less than 72 hours
>>340443015
>they have to make a better product
That is NOT the only way you can make a living in a capitalist system you stupid little man.
>>340435512
oh fuFUUUUUUCK! LOOK AT NEUTRAL HE IS HOOOOLLLLLY SHHHFFHSSHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>340433035
Nobody defended this.
>>340446774
I'm not the one moving goal posts, anti-refund cuck
But acting like Titan Quest (released in 2006) being on sale for cheap in 2010 is some kind of impressive sale makes you a fucking retard
>>340443015
>It's not exactly a best case scenario, it's more like unavoidable commercial darwinism. Anyone who has any intention of making a living out of it is forced to make a better product than their competition.
You're one of the dumbest motherfuckers I've seen here.
You seriously think money makes people work harder and better? What about every AAA video game, movie, or television show that still had poor quality and also sucked ass, but not only made money hand over fist, but paid the people working on it a lot of dosh?
There's TONS of video games that have shit quality, where the employees who made it got paid a pretty great paycheck, and the game made money anyway.
People are fucking retarded and if they have money, will buy whatever low-quality garbage you produce no matter what. As it stands, mods for games like Skyrim or Fallout 4 are already pretty quality enough, with constant updates to fix or add things, and they're ALL free.
I don't see any reason those people would work harder if there were a pricetag and a check in the mail every time. In fact, that creates a sort of job security, which would probably make them lazier. They'd just make small updates or mods that were broken up so they can charge more (just like real companies and DLC).
>>340447054
Nor is it even the best way to make a living in a capitalist system.
>>340445427
What're you talking about?
He still posts fairly regularly.
https://www.reddit.com/user/GabeNewellBellevue
>>340447551
>You seriously think money makes people work harder and better?
Not him but this is related to what you're saying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc
>>340445915
That's why mod shouldn't be sold. They aren't dlc. Mods aren't guaranteed to work. There's no quality standard. They aren't guaranteed to work with other mods. There's no guaranteed that mods that are broken will be fixed later on.
>>340445915
Yeah? And modding is free? Once you start selling it, it becomes a product, and should be judged by the standards of a product, i.e. it should be complete and functional at release, and it shouldn't be broken by official patches or other paid mod products.
>>340433858
>It will come back with fallout 4
Just like how console mods we're going to be paid for huh
>>340433171
Some rich e-celebs were for it as well.
>>340433035
Reaper?
>>340449439
>Paid console mods
Jesus. It's already a shit storm. Add money on top of it and it would just explode.
>>340443808
>Those Dota swords
Holy hell
>>340448228
They should have gone into more depth on what those studies in the beginning actually were.
>>340445091
To be fair, the AMERICANS in the 1940s despised the jews. even American ambassador Dodd to Germany discusses the "Jewish problem" with several of his compatriots and the Fuhrer himself.
Dodd was reported to have claimed that there were, in fact, too many jews working in the embassy.
>>340433171
Whatever happened to those popular modmakers who decided to ride steam's cock and tell their fans to PLEASE BUY. Do they still make shit or are they shamed out.
>>340433035
This shit had no sense of quality control
>>340435521
Please if Gaben were actually here he'd be spammed with lehappymerchants and pictures of the morbidly obese
>>340435523
>One sword that looks straight of an anime mod
>$9.99
>>340446836
Starsector is a good example of Modders working together as a community. Every time a new update comes for the game they all work at updating their shit. They even have community mods that balance and unify everything to work at the same time to give dozens of fresh new factions to play as or against.
All this, for free. And really it's quite a lot too, if the makers had made it themselves, it'd all be DLC content worth 5-10 bucks a faction.
>>340448843
And mods can be broken by other mods. And mods can be dependant on other mods, forcing you to buy the others first.
Putting Mods to the same standards as paid products breaks the modding community. This kills the man.
People still mad at this? Holy shit
>>340435523
Yeah no. Have you ever played something like Thrawn's Revenge or Historical Immersion Project? They were done for free and basically turn shitty games into amazing ones.
>>340433035
Giving content creators a platform to monetize their work is a good idea. They executed it badly, but it's still a good idea that will eventually be done right. The issue in this case was the lack of quality control/IP protection, combined with a fractured modding community that was all too eager to try to monetize anything and everything.
>>340438569
$99.99? What a steal!
>>340433035
Uuuh no?
It was PC Gamers being very against it that caused them to take it down
Are you like 13 where 6 months seems like ages agop?
>that one guy that kept putting mods up adding bread or moving small items for insanely high prices
Bless that man, his trolling was exquisite.
>>340453489
We already have the only monetization platform that's compatible with modding culture- donations. Anything more is anathema.
We don't need quality control systems or goddamned IP protection, get out of here with that toxic shit.
>>340454750
I would have broken any mod I made into seperate pieces and charged through the nose for each part while hosting the full version for free elsewhere to see who would be dumb enough to pay for it.
I don't remember a single person on /v/ "defending" that horse shit.
Nice try. Go back to /vg/
>>340455446
But anon, donations don't make Lord Gaben any money! They only support the modders themselves!
>>340454750
I wonder if any memester bought them ironically
>>340445091
>consolefags
JUST
For one of the most modded games of all time it seems to lack mods that improve the gameplay. And being an action rpg it's action kind of sucks. Are there any good combat overhauls that make the combat fun?
>>340433035
Reminder Valve pulled it the moment people didn't like it.
Based Valve, any other company would have ignored the complaints.
>>340457191
Bethesda got cold feet since Fallout 4 was barreling down they pipes and they COULD NOT afford a controversy fucking up their pre-orders.
Valve would have duked it out since they have almost nothing to lose.
>>340457051
>Are there any good combat overhauls that make the combat fun?
To make that possoble they would have to rebuild the game from the ground up, essentially making an entirely new one. Skyrim is a first person shooter with melee options, nothing can change that sadly.
>>340450898
kek
>>340445091
>rolling out with the nazi argument this early
you best be b8ing
>>340457051
There are a couple that improve it, but most of the overhauls introduce shit like flipping & acrobatic bullshit.
An absolute-must though is TK recoil/hitstop.
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/23681/?
>>340450898
>console players are all American consumerists
nice
>>340457531
I bet removing the aggro and bounty on werewolves with a toggle would be fun for a while, probably too overpowered though
