Tell me why the Legion is shit in Fallout NV
Ncr and house fag here
>>340431526
they're violent moralfags
>>340431526
Most gamers are "anti-rape" the Legion are "pro-rape"
>>340431526
Because of budget and time restraints they had to cut out many Legion characters and an entire Legion city and turn them into comical badguys.
>>340432428
also reminder: if you care about the NCR you should kick them out of the Mojave for their own good. they can't handle it since the politicians back west don't care to provide sufficient support for the region.
>>340432457
it's not rape if you enjoy it.
>>340431526
They're LARPers that wear painted sports gear and funny hats
>ban chems including stimpaks
That's their dumbest trait for me
>>340436841
>ban technology
that's another one
See, as a Legion fag, I kind of have to say that the current state of the Legion, as in the game state, is indeed shit.
However, what most NCR fags never bothered to do is actually talk to the main man and understand why he is doing this shit. Caesar knows the Legion is flawed, and knows it will inevitably fall after his death, yet its death is what the big payoff of the whole shabang is about.
The Legions entire purpose is to create ideals and hard as nails people to transmit them. Nobody steals shit in legion territory, nobody is dumb enough to drink alchohol or fuck with people to begin with or they go and fight with machetes on the arena. No dependence on computers, no dependence on fancy shit, they could survive and thrive with nothing but healing powder and their bare hands.
A nation of people without the flaws of the NCR, with the potential and toughness of the courier. A entire nation filled with them.
That's what the main legion thing is. Consider it shit if you want to or just meme at me, but it sure as fuck beats NCR being shit, Independant since the courier likely can't manage shit, or House, since he likely will just hunker in Vegas and suck every cap out of every hobo just to make his globe city.
>>340432428
>Legion
>Moralfags
They're murderous slavers with an occasional rape, what are you on?
>>340437745
they fell for the degeneracy meme
>just beat dead money
>choosing whether to evacuate zion or slaughter the white legs
what am i in for with the other two DLCs?
dead money had some good atmosphere but then got really fuckin annoying with the collars and clouds
>>340437926
Penis fingers and, muh bear and bull.
>>340437926
OWB:
>50s scifi pulp stuff
>level scaling bullshit
>an armor that will give you a boner
>some wacky humor most faggots miss the point off
>huge map with lots of shit to discover, some of it kinda gruesome
>stuff connected to DM and LR
LR:
>[corridor intensifies]
>ED-E gets a lovable personality
>cool atmosphere
>cool armor to find
>lots of deathclaws
>nukesnukesnukesnukes
>some bullshit story
>most retarded villain in fallout series
>>340437804
that doesn't make them moralfags
They're the polar opposite of moralfags
>>340437926
One's hilarious and one's edgy as all bloody hell
>>340437926
OWB is Tonal Dissonance: the DLC and it works extraordinarily well. It's overall fun and entertaining, despite the level-scaling bullshit.
Lonesome Road tries its darndest to deconstruct RPG tropes and fails terrible. It's alright, but definitely the weakest DLC overall.
>>340439769
Blood Money is the weakest one Tbh, while it does build up an excellent atmosphere you lose immersion every 5 seconds from a trap
>>340431526
Because the Legion, as it is, is completely unsustainable and wont live long beyond the death of Caesar.
Caesar didn't set out to create a massive raider army that conquered Arizona, it just sort of happened after he taught the Blackfoots how to survive and became addicted to being worshipped as their saviour.
He realizes this, though, which is why he's invading the Mojave. He wants to invade NCR, conquer it, absorb its population and ideals and create a brand new society that has none of the weaknesses of either NCR or Legion. Vegas will be the capital of this new empire.
>>340439964
Eh. Dead Money succeeded both in the roleplaying and character/writing department. I personally enjoyed the gameplay, but it's definitely not for everyone. LR was probably the least compelling one for me, gameplay wise, and came the closest to being a corridor shooter interlaced with mediocre story bits.
>>340440286
>Roleplaying
Having an ending with each character is average RPG stuff
>Character/writing
Now that's something I can't argue with
>Gameplay
It's tedious if anything, almost unplayable without the light feet perk because ofthe sheer number of traps and bombs everywhere
>Came closest to being a corridor shooter
Nothing wrong with that Tbh, hunting deathclaws is quite thrilling as they're much less common than in F3 or the 2d games
>Mediocre bits
While they do not have much impact each choice and act you do feels important
Plus the background and whole theme are fantastic, LR captured F2's feeling better than the base game did Tbh
>>340440286
the only questions i have for DM is
how do you trap elijah in the vault because everytime i sneak out he instantly gos from hidden to detected even if hes not looking at me and
how the FUCK do you stop dean domino from trying to kill you. i passed his speech check to make him back down but then hes like "nah even though you killed all those ghost people i could totally kill you" and proceeds to get one shot
>>340441106
Don't take the barter check
>>340441106
Use a stealth boy
Don't do the Barter check when you meet him and don't threaten him at any other point
>>340441106
>how the FUCK do you stop dean domino from trying to kill you
you have to suck his dick and not barter with him at any point
his has an ego the size of the Mojave
>>340440998
I was talking more about the slew of skill and stat checks. DM only has that stuff come into play at the very end, IIRC.
let's just end the thread right here
>>340441239
when do you ever get a stealth boy thought?
i was being pretty thorough checking places but i never found one
>>340437530
Nothing wrong with alcohol, cuck
>Zion National Valley is obvious
>The Divide is right there on the New Vegas map itself
>Big Mountain is some sort of mountain range south of I-15
>the only hint of Sierra Madre's location is the Elijah Ending where it's hinted to be South and East of the Mojave Desert
I want to know where it is, damnit
>all these character overhaul mods
>all are over saturated messes
>>340438680
I think you misunderstood the definition of Morality
>>340441593
Pretty sure it's a random container spawn but I've always found one every time I've done the DLC and stopped to loot everything
>>340437530
well that sounds better than anything I've come across about them, but you still don't know how their legacy will play out and your're paying for it in blood and rape and in destroying the things people hold dear and sacred. I won't agree that what they're doing is any kind of good- it's still absolutely horrifically wrong- but at least it makes some sense.
ty based anon. I'm never gonna get to a legion playthrough, I have a hard time replaying games.
I disagree with anti legion anons because a major flaw in their argument is they treat the Legion as the end goal of Caesar. The Legion is not a nation. It literally is, by Caesars own admission a roving horde of slave warriors who brutally hack and whack their way through the meat of the NCR army. After Caesar takes New Vegas he now has his Rome, and his ability to form a nation from his conquered territories. It is the means to an end and that is all. its brutal, its barbaric, its destructive and cannot sustain itself, and it works, and thats the whole point.
We have little to go on, on what this Nova Roma will look like and act like. But we do know it wont be what the Legion is during the game as explained by Caesar himself.
I hope the Legion canonically wins with either Caesar being saved from his tumor, or naming Vulpes as his successor. Because its just more interesting. The NCR has been done absolutely to death, they're hardly interesting and the more they win the less games can be focused on them. They're civilizing the wasteland and that does not a good post apocalyptic game make. Caesars victory is far more interesting given that it allows a new faction to form and adds another culture thats not just a form of pre war America.
>>340441771
If the apocalypse has struck the earth, and only a few places out there in the irradiated hellhole have water, you have better things to do than to risk getting a addiction to cheaply made yet expensive alcohol instead of drinking rads free water and properly hydrating yourself.
Yes, its a staple of humanity and has been with us for ages, but it generally helps a society be a lot less decadent and the lower social standard a lot less miserable if they don't have it. If you already are dirt poor in thw wastes, the fuck are you doing drinking shit booze, if you have your shit together, why do you want to even risk getting addicted when the finest wine out there is likely fermented in toilets and the rest barely qualifies to be toilet water, just drink good old H2O
>>340442279
Never said it was a light choice to make anon, I said it was a choice with real merit behind it and that Caesar was not just some slave owner. The Legion is damn effective at enforcing ideals and actions, its death woudl with no doubt create a population of hardened people unlike the world has ever seen.
>leveling speech
>not keeping speech dumpstered and actively failing every single speech check just to watch the engine try to shit out a scowl
it's like you hate fun desu
>>340442712
Sometimes its worth it just to learn something new
Like telling House he's a brain in a jar and hearing him tell youhe thinksthat Think Tanks are impossible
>>340443470
>That last line
>>340443470
>These lines
Love it
It's been six years: is there a collection of New Vegas' script including all fail speech checks so I know what NOT to have certain values at so I can choose the dialogue I want?
>>340442514
Sadly Bethesda doesn't care about New Vegas and we will never see a game from Obsidian again.
it's a nation built by high test alpha men
REMOVE LEGIONFAGS
>>340431526
>tfw when you were playing the NCR the whole time only to blow up both factions
>killed all factions afterwards
>proceed to leave all the poor leaderless survivors to their fates
>>340441934
What are you talking about?
>>340444350
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_skills
Look up each skill individually, it'll tell you how many speech checks there are with it and what the requirement is
If you want to look up a dialogue in particular, they have the scripts for each character on their respective page in the info box
>>340444452
>post yfw obsidian gets a crack at TES after VI flops
>not taking control
>>340431526
I don't mind slavery and sexism much since
>it'sa damn postapoc
But favoring lowtech medicine and melee weapons? In a world where completely rebuilt weapon manufacturing and pharma facilities are a thing (see Gun Runners, Followers)? Caesar got way too involved in his wankfest.
>>340437530
Good points here, but have friendly reminder that Shady Sands was also full of
>muh ideals
>muh tough as nails
But then reality happened and pragmatic cynicism eroded the shit outta those in a couple of generations.
>>340438310
Seconding this.
>>340444178
>>340444290
>>340444418
I've seen that overhauled dialogue interface, new font and all, before but don't know what mod it is from. Anyone?
>>340446290
The Legion only functions through fear. Fear only works when those in command operate from a position of absolute power.
The chain of command works because the people at the top went through the same shit as the recruits and survived, ensuring they're skilled and hard as nails, and they have all the best equipment making any potential in-fighting a one sided affair
>>340446573
Looks like MTUI to me
Can you guys recommend me good, realistic clothing mods on Nexus?
I went there and looked myself but got buried in shitty anime outfits and other immersion breaking stuff.
>>340445705
Dude. 4 didn't even flop and it's regarded as the worst Fallout since 3. It has made Bethesda fucking OODLES of cash. It continues to be a top played game across all platforms. It's currently sitting at around 10 million sold through, not counting digital. You're delusional if you think TES VI has even the most remote chance in hell of ever flopping and even if hell froze over and it did flop, Bethesda would probably rather die and take the IP with them than ever let anyone else touch it.
>>340446892
Spice of Life
>>340446290
Nobody in shady sands was as tough as a half trained legion recruit anon, and do you doubt the motherfuckers who survived the Legions military training and wars wouldn't train and lead the next generation much better than what the NCR has?
>>340446859
thanks anon much appreciated
>>340446978
not that anon but the problem with the spice of life is that it adds a lot of stupid modern looking stuff like raider gasmask
>Not putting Yes Man in the Lucky 38 and upgrading the Securitrons and then doing the NCR ending
>Not letting the NCR take control of the Mojave while keeping Vegas for yourself
>>340447345
is that even possible?
>>340447345
I did this in my first playthrough.
Objectively the best outcome for the Courier tbqhwu.
>>340447606
It's possible to do both of those things and still side with the NCR but it won't actually be reflected in the ending slides.
>>340447345
>Being this deluded
>Not realizing that the entire reason House and the NCR couldn't coexist was because the NCR couldn't tolerate bowing down to an autonomous authority
>Not realizing that they would cut off your power and run a god damn train over your dumb ass because they'd want all the money in Vegas for themselves
Why are NCR slaves always so dumb?
I appreciate that you can ruin the Mojave worse than any faction has the potential to, if you go independent but don't commit.
>>340447345
>Letting the pansy assed burocratic fucks who don't even half protect their territories rule Vegas
>Letting generals with the tactical genius of a squirrel on crack lead thousands of under equipped, badly trained recruits wielding plinkers against literally tribal foot infantry with fireaxes and machetes
>Can't even protect their homes, raiders and junkies terrorize the place since they don't even police the streets
For all the NCR cares, the legion could very well murder-rape the entire populace of the Mohave if they handed them the Strip and the Dam.
Falling for a under-equipped, burocratic shitshow that only got a army worth facing after a bunch of rangers got their asses kicked by the legion and joined? I though you knew better anon.
>>340447606
Yes, the NCR will tolerate it as long as you never finish the other Yes Man quest (recruiting allies)
>It's a "good writing, bad voice acting mod" episode
looking at you Someguy
>tfw love the followers but the only ending where they aren't fucked over is the NCR ending
>>340438310
>most retarded villain in the fallout series
until 4, come on.
>>340447047
NCR Rangers started in Shady Sands, anon.
>>340446750
>The Legion only functions through fear
Not exactly. Legion functions through zealous belief in it's ideals and personas.
>Fear only works when those in command operate from a position of absolute power
Not exactly. Example - dem sandniggers didn't need to be in a position of absolute power to make the entirety of US collectively shit themselves when they hit those skyscrapers of yours.
>The chain of command works because the people at the top went through the same shit as the recruits and survived, ensuring they're skilled and hard as nails, and they have all the best equipment making any potential in-fighting a one sided affair
Absolutely no. Chain of command works because it's effective, and people are able to recognize that, so they submit to the system to be able to function. Also I am an army officer (not US though) and I explicitly DIDN'T "go through the same shit as the recruits and survived". That's what the sergeants are for.
Also I am not a legionaboo, I am anon whom you were responding to.
>>340448202
I lost interest in 4 when they started releasing gameplay footage
>>340448223
And guess what happened anon, they were few and got fucked in the ass by the legion. Rangers, some of the best sharpshooters out there got demolished by axe wielding fucks.
What is your point, cause so far, you are proving that they were weak as shit. They had to sign a deal with the NCR to keep on living anon, that does not sound very tough as nails to me.
>>340448339
I lost interest in 4 when 3 came out.
>>340448202
Dunno. Everyone in 4 was just ungodly bland and uninteresting. Meanwhile that Ulysses faggot manages to be so goddamn offensively retarded on so many levels it triggers me like a Hopesville nuke.
How do nightstalkers and cazadores get to nevada from the big empty?
>>340448515
>They had to sign a deal with the NCR to keep on living anon, that does not sound very tough as nails to me.
you're thinking desert rangers
I think we can all agree that if the Enclave realized humans are humans, they would be the best fucking faction in the series.
But because they're crazy, I guess the NCR will work.
Sure, there may be some corruption in the system, but in the end, it's the best system for the common man.
In the Legion, your actions are controlled by the military. It's a military dictatorship, and even if Ceaser was able to take over the NCR and create New Rome, it would likely stay that way, as it did in Ancient Rome.
In the House ending, while it may be good for a while, it will end up falling to the classic problem that completely open market, low governmental influence societies fall into. The common man will have all of their money taken by the gifted few, and the common man will suffer for it. The House always wins, after all.
And the Independent ending, while doing a good job of keeping the sense of independence of the Mojave and creating a strong, new nation, it cannot last. The Courier does nothing to unite the various low level factions within the desert, and by the time he passes on, the desert will be back to fighting each other, leaving the entire Mojave worse for ware.
The NCR, however, works for the common man. The citizens have clean water, fairly free economic and personal lives, and enough strength to keep the Wasteland united under their banner. They even have fucking construction.
That's the big difference between the Legion/Independent factions and the NCR. While the Legion wants to tear things down, and the Courier wants to keep things the same, the NCR wants to rebuild.
>>340448202
I really can't express how much I fucking hated Father.
>Takes one step outside and glances at the skyline and immediately dismisses the entire Commonwealth as shit
>"We know what's best for you because we're all so smart and locked up in our 100% safe little bubble community where we have no real problems. Out of touch? What does that mean?"
>"lol I'm so glad the Institute rescued me, my mother being gunned down by a psycHopath is a small price to pay for getting this silver spoon up my gaping asshole.'
>"The Commonwealth has nothing to fear from us, we just want to help, like by kidnapping innocent people and replacing them with bodysnatchers, or sending out synths to slaughter people and take their resources. Oh what do we do with the real people? Just experiment on them with FEV and stuff, it's no big deal."
>>340448515
>They had to sign a deal with the NCR to keep on living anon, that does not sound very tough as nails to me.
NCR RANGERS. NOT NEVADA DESERT RANGERS. THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES. THE FORMER IS ON THE LEFT. THE LATTER IS ON THE RIGHT. IS IT THAT PATROLLING THE MOJAVE MAKES YOU WISH FOR A NUCLEAR WINTER SO BADLY YOUR BRAIN CEASES TO FUNCTION?
>>340446958
im more assured that bethesda is scared to hand anything off to obsidian again
>>340448223
>Absolutely no
Yes, anon, that's how it works in the Legion. Every Centurion was once a hopeless Recruit. They got to where they are by surviving the trials and beating the odds. A Centurion even has to earn his armour by personally killing opponents much tougher than him, including BoS Paladins and Super Mutant Masters.
The chain of command in the Legion works based on fear of failure. The man above you is your commanding officer, no questions or deviation allowed. If you fail or disobey him and don't die in the process, he will have you killed. And the same goes for him, all the way up to the Legate himself.
The absolute reliance upon this chain of command is one of the Legion's greatest strengths and its greatest weakness. Recruits will throw their lives away on the orders of their Decanus but you remove the Decanus, or the Centurion behind him, and the whole line starts to fall apart. It's how they lost the First Battle of Hoover Dam.
>>340448712
Big MT is south-ish of I-15, its not a long way to go
>>340439964
>>340440286
I feel like Dead Money would have been far and away the best if the gameplay wasn't so damn stiff
>>340449208
yeah but wouldn't the teleporter field stop them fro getting in?
>>340448783
Well shit, I did mix em up. Apologies.
Okay, you do have a point, some of the best fighters out there came from it. Does not mean everyone in it was trained with half as tough of a training regime as they were or with the same general mentality and aptitude for war and survival, because lets face it, its the NCR, a atempt at the reconstruction of the decadent USA after shit went down.
>>340449345
The radar fence only works on living things with their brains outside of their natural bodies, like the Think Tanks, the Lobomites and the Courier
The critters got out with some minor brain damage, at most
>>340449086
>Yes, anon, that's how it works in the Legion
Yeaaah, I don't really think so.
>The chain of command in the Legion works based on fear of failure
Fear of failure is an element in any sort of hierarchy. Hell, just remember corporal White from the White Wash quest.
>The man above you is your commanding officer, no questions or deviation allowed
That is true for ALL the units in NCR army as well, even the family-like 1st Recon.
>- But sir they are unarmed - mostly children, women and wounded!"
>- I SAID OPEN FIRE!
> If you fail or disobey him and don't die in the process, he will have you killed
Caesar ordered decimations. Decimation includes the death of 1/10th of the survivng soldiers, to EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WHO DARED TO FAIL.
> It's how they lost the First Battle of Hoover Dam
I thought that NCR blew up a significant part of their forces in Boulder, and then drowned the remains in conscripts.
>>340448191
Someguy's shit went down the tube fast. Russel and NVBI-II were good, but III and his last one were trash that had little content, badly-created world pieces and stupid shit that tried to impose how your Courier felt during ending slides.
>>340449792
> to EVERY SINGLE
*not EVERY SINGLE
>>340432772
this
>>340449031
> THE FORMER IS ON THE LEFT. THE LATTER IS ON THE RIGHT.
nope, it's the other way around
>>340450041
I mean... it was on my left and my right. You are looking at the monument from the other side.Shuddup
>>340448202
4 doesn't count, I have more fingers in a hand than that game has decent characters.
>>340437463
>Ban technology
>except guns
>except Energy weapons
>Except muh powerfist
>Except muh auto-doc for my tumor
>>340449792
Those are the facts, believe what you like. The Legion runs on fear of failure and of the man in charge.
They're not a traditional army of conscripts and volunteers like NCR. They are not trained to put aside their humanity for the sake of cohesion. They are slaves born and bred into an unforgiving hierarchy where the punishment for failure and disobedience is death.
Decimation occurs when entire units underperform. If the problem is a single soldier or Decanus, the punishment is execution. In fact, when decimation is ordered, the commander is executed by his higher up first. When Vulpes disobeyed his Centurion by flanking the enemy, he was only saved from crucifixion by Caesar's word.
They lost because Graham was incompetent and only knew how to charge the enemy. Rangers and 1st Recon slaughtered his Decanus' and Centurions from afar, leaving his Recruits and Primes in disarray. Rallying them to himself, he then blundered into the trap at Boulder City. He fell back and took the rest of the directionless survivors with him because anyone who could lead an assault or support his command of one was dead.
>>340431526
Unless you roll enclave you are a degenerate mutie
>>340441882
>implying the sierra madre isn't inside all of us
>implying it isnt just a physical manifestation of our greed and vices
>implying you'll let go
>>340451119
>yfw DM is just your dream after you get clocked out in Elijah's bunker
House>Legion>NCR
>>340450695
He banned technology that would make people weak through over-dependence. Gun still need to be maintained and operated by a skilled user to be effective, same with the energy weapons he wanted to buy. The ballistic fists are technologically complex but still fist weapons, advanced as they are they're not going to work if you can't get within punching range.
The Auto-Doc is just self serving hypocrisy, though, absolutely
>>340450924
>Those are the facts, believe what you like. The Legion runs on fear of failure and of the man in charge.
Because yousaidso?
> They are not trained to put aside their humanity for the sake of cohesion
Except when they are getting thrashed by sergeants during training. In fact, any sort of military induction is a dehumanizing experience, to some degree.
> They are slaves born and bred into an unforgiving hierarchy where the punishment for failure and disobedience is death.
No. That is factually not true. Legion executes officers who fuck up BIG TIME, not just everyone who ever fail to accomplish the task. We only ever see the examples of the former, plus hear about decimation. Please take your fedoracore fantasy interpretations elsewhere.
>They lost because Graham was incompetent and only knew how to charge the enemy. Rangers and 1st Recon slaughtered his Decanus' and Centurions from afar, leaving his Recruits and Primes in disarray.
So, the fuckhueg NCR casualties in the battle are just Legion propaganda?And Forlorn Hope and Searchlight are dummy decorations set up by Legion slaves to ruin NCR reputation
Hell, I'm no Legion shill, as I think it rather sucks, but your idea of how it works is just amazingly delusional.
>>340451025
what faction would an ex-enclave courier choose?
>>340452273
NCR butchered the Enclave and Legion is a bunch of retarded tribals, it's probably Independent because of the Courier ruling the Mojave however he likes.
>>340452578
>Not House
He's even an Old World businessman.
So why the fuck is Chris Avellone so against having horses in the setting but not a single fucking thing has been said about them being extinct in game.
>>340448202
Does 4 really have a villain
its more like Kellogg + a bunch of idiots
about 3 hours into HH this is my take on it so farit seems highlly average- some good, some bad
>>340452862
Probably the same reason no one laments to loss of the Dodo
They're dead, they're gone, no one cares anymore, if they know they existed at all
>>340452862
>tribe is called DEAD HORSES
where do you think they got the name, dummy
>>340451479
No, he banned technology because he realized that exposing his Legion to a superior method would undermine his goal.
>>340452862
Because due to gaymbryo it'd feel too much like TES.
>>340452952
>That quest called "The Civilized Man's Burden"
Immediately made me think of this
>>340453070
They thought it would be a good name for a band?
>>340452578
>implying an ex-Enclave wouldn't join the winning side
>>340452862
Chris is fucking retarded.
He said if he ever gets his hands on Fallout again, he's going to nuke everything again because things are getting to good for people. Specifically the NCR, and the player won't get to decide if it happens; it just will.
>>340451704
Yes. And for your original point, here's Joshua Sawyer saying it too: The Legion restricts use of firearms to maintain fear of superiors.
I was talking about the Legion. The Legion does not go through that, they're born into it.
Whatever you want to believe. It's just a culture built on brutality and punishment that has no issues for sending soldiers to death like cannon fodder. Literally, too, since they follow the Roman military doctrine of "send the greenest in first to either succeed or die". But that's okay, they don't kill their soldiers willynilly for failing to die in battle. That's too far.
No, that's how Graham lost the battle, dipshit. What he did or didn't do to NCR beforehand is of no consequence. The turning point was Graham having his commanders killed by snipers and blundering into an ambush. The battle on the Dam doesn't enter into it.
I think we're done here.
>>340453798
Picture related
4 STR
7 PER
5 END
3 CHA
5 INT
9 AGI
7 LUK
Guns, Sneak, Repair
Built around the Marksman Carbine, including the All-American. I don't give two shits about implants
So male or female? Caucasian or Asian? All I can't figure out.
>>340453798
>It's just a culture built on brutality and punishment that has no issues for sending soldiers to death like cannon fodder.
Oh hai there
>>340453706
Unless he magics himself a position at a company working on the next West Coast Fallout, it's not likely to happen
I wonder who he's working for these days
>>340454061
>sneak
>>340454061
>I don't give two shits about implants
If you aren't going to get GRX then you better get enough survival/science for the Turbo recipe.
>>340452862
Because it would just be too cool for you to ride around shootan raiders from a saddle.
>>340454196
>not Sneak
>>340454208
>Chems
No thanks I'm not a Fiend
>>340454102
The difference is, if NCR worked the way it should, Lee would be dragged out back and shot for so blatantly mismanaging his troops and getting so many of them killed for the sake of personal glory
>Why are the Rangers in a position where they'll all get killed, General?
>Why are the Fiends still running rampant around our main base?
>How come you've done nothing to take back Nelson or close off Cottonwood Cove?
"Because I want to fight the Legion in the same sort of battle we lost 4 years ago"
Asshole
>kill house
>activate securitrons
>suicide in the battle
>never load file again
who here /chaosending/?
>>340454373
>2016
>Not using chems to compensate for your special
>Using sneak
>strength less than 6 and intelligence less than 8
shiggy
>>340432772
just in case it wasn't already talked about to death this is the correct answer
>>340454478
>activating Securitrons
>chaos
more people die without the robot arm rolling around
>>340454726
that's more predictable though
>>340454627
>Needs chems to overcome weaknesses
>Playing the same cookie cutter optimized builds
>>340431526
Because the Legion is pretty much entirely kept together by Caesar's will and in turn you discover that Caesar himself isn't some grand ruler of the neo-wastelands but a guy who read a lot of history and has a brain tumor. He is dying and that will cause everything to fall apart. The legion seems like a powerful force, but they are just the largest bunch of raiders and they are ready to blow up at any moment. They are the group least likely to survive that you can align yourself to and the one that shows you the least amount of return on your effort. BoS will give you goodies and treat you nice, NCR gives you a freakin' house filled with their special Ranger gear and kit, House gives you a casino, and Khans are just awesome.
>>340454808
Well if you're doing a roleplay run then why are you even here ?
>>340454793
>letting people live because you don't want to be predictable
how disappointing
>all of these anti-law and order legion scumbags
>>340454935
Because I can't decide on the irrelevant stuff like gender, race, factions
>>340454470
>The difference is, if NCR worked the way it should
But NCR doesn't work the way it should. Exactly like the Old World didn't work the way it should and ended in a nuclear fire.
>>340455105
Be an asian woman and join Legion then.
>>340455105
>Steal
>Small guns
Africano
>Formspring went down
>all these insights lost like farts in the wind
>>340454969
>not leaving the world with a hive of indecisive killer robots because you want instant gratification
they all have rocket batteries AND 40 mm grenade launchers and they will all be led by an AI that was made to not have a will of it's own
>>340453706
Why the fuck does the Fallout fanbase have a huge boner for his guy anyways? Because he wrote a bunch of bullshit that people called a production bible, when he barely had anything to do with the games it was about?
>>340436841
It's about creating a civilization on the wasteland that can actually sustainably produce the technology which keeps its people healthy and alive.
The long-term perspective of the legion actually makes a fuckload of sense, really. Sure, you go back to BC era shit in the short term, but in the long term everyone redevelops everything.
>>340454061
look it's stealth archer's cousin, stealth sniper
But at least he has a tumblr now
>>340455240
>Why the fuck does the Fallout fanbase have a huge boner for his guy anyways
>do anything but NCR run
>miss out on a fuckton of quests
>>340448202
Father lacked in Humanity but he wasn't retarded like Ulysses
>>340455539
You can still do every NCR quest on the map as long as you don't do the "main" quests from Crocker/Moore and side with anyone you want
>>340455514
How would the Nameless One fair in the fallout universe
>>340455041
>Dreddposting when he himself admits shit governing like the NCR is garbage and he only does it for the sake of a atempt at order
Come on now anon.
>>340455892
Ulysses but uglier.
>>340455459
>Stealth Sniper is redundant
Could just do some meme build with 10 luck and go melee/unarmed but that's not fun
>>340455745
Exactly. FO4 antagonists just bored me to hell. Ulysses just kept on triggering me by reaching new depths of retardation every time he hijacked ED-E.
>>340448936
>Yeah bruh we're doing great things for the Commonwealth in here
>No I won't tell you what those things are
>Proof that we've been killing surface dwellers and replacing them with synths? I don't know what you're talking about
2 > New Vegas > 1 > 3 > 4
>>340456110
>but that's not fun
Slayer, rushing water, katana/Greased Lightning and GRX.
>>340454812
>House gives you a casino
It has two loading screens to get into your living space. It's no good compared to the Novac hotel room, aside from all your companions living there.
If you could reopen the casino and make money off it(there's a mod for that) it would be better.
>>340452273
House or Independent
>>340456059
>not thinking TNO is the prettiest girl
shameful
>>340456252
You are correct.
>>340456373
He had to put all his points into wisdom, his charismas 14 at best
>>340456252
Objectively correct.
>>340456252nv>4>2>1>3
>>340456110
I had my best playthrough with a luck 10 ditzy young girl with explosives/pistols focus and Indep ending. Just feels like it best resonates with the whole luck sub-theme of the game.
>you start where you do only because Courier got a one in a million chance with the Platinum chip. And then - one in a billion chance with surviving a point-black double-tap to the head.
>Vegas ruled by amazingly incompetent embodiment of Lady Luck, who only manages to avoid running city into the ground by phenomenally fortunate sets of circumstances saving her shaky rule once and again
Plus grenade launchers are hella fun.
>>340456795
>4 that high
>2 any less than first/second
>3 dat low
u gay mayn
>>340456795
I'm not mad
Just disappointed.
>>340456890
i liked fallout 4
>>340454812
>Khans are awesome
Even Yes Man hates them, that shows how pathetic they are
>>340455240
Because he was one of the people who made the original Fallouts, then became a vocal about being a Fallout dev when New Vegas came out.
He managed to link his name and New Vegas, when it was more of Sawyer's fault that the game was good.
>>340456252
New Vegas >2 > 1 > 3 > 4, more like.
2's good, but has too much of a reliance on reference humor and forces you to be anti-Enclave, whereas New Vegas has more original jokes when humor comes in and lets you side with anyone.
Seriously, Mr. Fantastic is better than any humor in 2 except the Enclave sergeant.
>>340456795
>>340457080
what the fuck
>>340432428
>violent
>moralfags
>>340457262
ever heard of westboro baptists?
>>340457262
>What are paladins and just about the entirety of all Faith driven military
>>340457080
It's a great game on it own but a disappointing fallout game
>>340457173
>Mr. Fantastic
Not anywhere near your average OWB character, but I see your point
>>340457467
don't do it
you've got so much to live for
>>340457467
DELETE THIS
>>340457467
I WONDER WHAT'S INSIDE????
>>340457173
>Because he was one of the people who made the original Fallouts
He didn't have shit to do with Fallout 1, and only designed a few bits of Fallout 2. New Reno mostly, if I'm not mistaking.
>>340457467
Absolute madman
>>340454812
>Khans are just awesome
Khans are literal trash
>don't really care about them
>tell Papa Khan straight that his tribe never had any honour and was always shit
>he's so insecure that he's literally triggered into mass killing his whole tribe in suicide by NCR just to prove he has "honour"
>>340457646
Yeah, we know that, but your average redditor doesn't know shit about that.
>>340457467
I do not remember this. What the hell is it?
>>340457814
Legendary bloatfly
>>340457814
>>340457909
Who was stronger, him or Rawr?
Ok guys what about this
FalloutShady Sands
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>>340457967
Legendary Bloatfly is strong as shit but cheesable, you need a lot of flares to make Rawr as easy.
>>340457967
>Bloatfly
>ranged attack that will 1-3 shot just about any Courier
>Rawr
>scared of flares and flashbangs like any other deathclaw
>>340457887
>>340457909
So what, any of my playthroughs I always end up with over 200k caps and the best equipment, Im hard pressed to think a boatfly is any problem to me when I outmeleed rawr and on a level 25 something character I beat the Legendary Cazador with just Maria.
>>340458027
W H Y
H
Y
>>340457389
>It's a great game on it own
I'd call it medicore the most.
YOU MO-RON
>>340457467
>>340458027
id play a fallout telltale games, more specifically new vegas
>>340452578
>NCR butchered the Enclave
uh, no? YOU blew up the Enclave's oil rig and devastated their western forces, so they fucked off to their fortress-city in Chicago.
>>340458265
NCR murdered the majority of Enclave members who didn't make it out of California in the aftermath of the Oil Rig, they assaulted Navarro and chased the survivors into the wasteland
>>340457467
>>340457909
>me on my first playthrough
>see huge glowing thing
>check it out via V.A.T.S.
>"Legendary Bloatfly"
>hahaha so the weakest of the legendaries then, oh man I was worried for a second, this is going to be a piece of cake
Mistakes were made that night.
Just fugged Red Lucy :DDDDD
>>340458763
congrats
>>340458876
thxxxxx :'DDDDDDD
House kinda reminds me of Von Karma Ace Attorney, he has this huge plan and is always one step ahead of everyone, but as soon as something happens that deviates from it, it just all falls apart, granted, House took a lot of stuff into consideration, like what would happened if Caesar died and all that, but the one thing he did not expect at all was the Courier's betrayel
>>340458763
reminder
http://www.strawpoll.me/10417044
>>340459000
:::'''DDDDDDD
>>340458932
your dick has scorpion poisoning tho, check your EFF
>>340459015
shit not this one
http://www.strawpoll.me/10417068
>>340457330
They're not violent.
>>340458763
Too bad i fugged YOUR MOM
>>340458967
House's biggest problem is having to rely on what he has at hand. There's no contingency for the Courier betraying him because he's got no one to replace you with. You were already his replacement for Benny
He's down to his last play. All or Nothing.
I don't know why people like Avellone so much. He LOVES to write antagonists that are blatant, preachy mouthpieces for him on the setting and talk about little more than that. And the worst part is, said characters are impossible to morally defeat. No matter what you do, you in SOME way prove them right.
>>340459015
Veronica is:
-pure
-sassy
-funny
-spunky
-loyal
-inteligent
I don't even remember a christine
>>340458763
You and everyone else in the thorn
>>340459061
F U G G DDDDD'':
>>340457330
I've heard the name a couple times. What's their deal?
>>340459109
/V/
YES
>>340459284
Veronica's ex, the one you meet in Dead Money
>>340458125
Depends on which difficulty. I passed trough ass tearing locations only with riot shotgun and stay back perk on Very Hard.
Dunno what so special about bloatfly btw, i just shot this thing from the ridge with hunting rifle.
>>340459292
She made you get deathclaw eggs to get in her vagoo so I doubt it
>>340454627
>Using chems at all.
>Not having a stockpile of 100+ of each of them since you one-shot everything with sneak.
The only time I ever used chems is when I decided not to speech check Lanius.
>>340459375
oh, didn't pay it yet
>>340459284
IIRC she was some BoS elite who got left to die at Big MT by Elijah after getting sent to kill him, teamed up with Ulysses for some time, went back to chasing Elijah, got her face and vocal chords fucked up by an auto-doc and ends up dead or as a warden of the Sierra Madre with the voice of a long dead starlet. Also she fugged Veronica.
>side with Legion
>do everything possible to screw them over in the process
Everyone loses!
>>340459543
>Collect chems
>Never use them, not even Med-X
>Only Stimpaks
>Sell the rest to venders
Even then I don't use a lot of stimpaks unless I'm dealing with broken limbs
>>340447762
> the NCR couldn't tolerate bowing down to an autonomous authority
>what is Vault City
NCR's surprisingly tolerant of other nations as long as they get what they want, but it's usually better for the consumed nation to join up and become a state.
It would be practically impossible to keep Vegas from NCR without the Dam as a bargaining chip and being as brilliant as House, but they wouldn't march their army to your door
>>340459243
I always thought House assumed The Courier would never betray him for 2 reasons
1. He thinks he may have convinced him that his plan is foolproof and is the best solution
2. He thinks he's in it all for the money
I never thought House assumed the Courier could be selfish and want Vegas for himself
What's the best NV/2 faction ?
>>340459569
its shit
>>340459790
>Not being a hoarder
Come on man, it's a Gamebryo game. That's basically a requirement.
>>340459719
it just hit me how fucked in the head she must have been. who would have willingly stayed in Sierra Madre? that place is fucking bleak, I'd rather live Searchlight than there
>>340456252
Switch 1 and 2
>>340459980
I just hoard guns and armor
>>340460108
2 is everything good with F1 amplified and more, what are you on about
>>340440096
It would have been perfect. Fuck I wish it were canon
>>340459884
On the one hand, House has a huge ego and probably does think he has such an attractive proposition that no one in the Mojave would decline him. On the other, he's probably trying to gloss over Benny's actions in a way that convinces the Courier that he was just a misguided idiot with no hope of success so there's no point entertaining the idea of betrayal
There's also the fact he doesn't know about Yes-Man and doesn't know you're actually capable of using his master plan for your own ends
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/gyIkrNp.png "latest[1].png")
>>340459847
Friendly reminder that this Faggot formed the NCR, you're welcome.
>>340460743
I'm pretty sure it's his daughter, if you don't rescue her shady sands just dies
![tandi[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/ZuaiDKH.png "tandi[1].png")
>>340460865
yeah well, that's even worse so- Kudos to you
>murder everyone in a building
>cannot sleep in an owned bed
>>340461242
>cannot sleep when enemies are nearby
>>340431526
Despite all the lore of new vegas and ''ITS AN RPG'' thing, it was really hard for me to get into the game for the first time when I was playing it after seeing the legion. I actually thought my friend was pranking me by saying that this is such a deep and good game after seeing Vulpes insert his head into the dogs ass (his hat), and all of them being strictly melee in a very stale landscape world. That was just borderline retarded.
>>340461238
are you talking shit about mai waifu
>>340461458
>it's a child NPC
>Fallout NV.exe has stopped working
Obsidian had to cut a lot of legion content because Bethesda gave them a release date and wouldn't budge on it. So they ended up being the choice for edgy teenagers
I'm doing a melee/unarmed Fiend Legion run, do my chems and shit. Running with 10 STR and a Nail in Board at level 10 when does this shit get good?
>>340461960
Runs pretty stable if you set the game up right.
>>340461460
It really all makes sense when you realize the Legion is the brainchild of a hipster with a brain tumor who decided to take a bunch of savages and turn them into an army, doesn't it?
