Alright, time to decide!
Which one is better?
>>340419086
One will take it from behind and like it.
>>340419086
I like overwatch more just because no random crits
>>340419086
I thoroughly enjoyed playing both. I think they're great games.
I would have to say that TF2 is (in my opinion) a lot better.
>le random crit meme
you can disable them
>>340419086
Jeez, wait for the dust to settle a little bit before making this thread
I like TF2 more simply because it has more user options.
>changeable UI
>custom server support
>modding
>the ability to freely ban anyone from my servers without going through any blizzard hoops
>the ability to freely restrict classes, map sizes, or even weapons
>can instantly permaban a child from my server without needing a major vote
Can OW even compare?
>>340419425
At least in TF2 you can enter a server with it disabled, if you don't want something in overwatch then you're fucked.
TF2 obviously.
>>340420151
Nobody plays on no crit servers though.
the amount of stuff locked down in overwatch is really going to hurt it in the log term
Tracer is a lot better than Spy.
>>340419086
Overwatch.
Take a wild guess.
>>340419086
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8A_M6eGgAE
>>340420656
This.
Spy is too easy to notice. He's so useless
In a 1v1 tracer would probably win every time, unless the spy's a particularly good shot with his amby. Or, Tracer seems like a gullible bitch so he could probably just disguise as Winston or something and kill her ass.
>>340420794
That's exactly how the huntsman works, faggot
>>340420594
>being wrong
>>340419086
how are they remotely the same?
>>340420794
But that's the exact same as the huntsman's hitbox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx-YFFnruDs
>>340420861
Only because the ones playing spy are generally retards. A good spy with dead ringer is literally hell incarnate.
>>340421057
>>340420991
Sure it is.
>>340420991
>>340421057
the problem is hitscan in OW works this way too
tracer because a chipper brit is better than a smug frog
t. Canadian
>>340421210
Okay that's arguably pretty stupid, but it's not like TF2's hitboxes are perfect. Look at the engineer's waist which occasionally allows bullets to pass through harmlessly.
>>340421057
The huntsman does have a dumbed down hitbox but it's not nearly on the same level as Hanzo. It can't hit behind corners,for starters.
>>340419086
As someone who plays both TF2 is more skill based.
Overwatch is about knowing when to press Q and what hero to play as.
A cast of 8 white men and a nigger have more personality than 21 different archetypes.
TF2 glorifies gore and doesn't take itself seriously. The dialogue never leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
OW takes itself very seriously, and not a drop of blood is ever spilled. The dialogue is pretty awfully written as well. With characters like tracer and reaper, Blizzard must be either incredibly detached from society or they expect their target audience to be 8 year olds.
Both require team coordination, but as a whole overwatch is much easier to play for someone who isn't good at videogames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UU8jqxAiHQ
>>340421415
>arguably
>>340421057
Seriously senpai?
It's not the same. You can't hit people around corners or through walls with the Huntsman.
>>340421210
>>340421581
>>340420794
Shooter of the year folks.
>>340420991
The huntsman uses collision hitboxes, as do rockets, pipes etc. Hitscan weapons use a separate, more detailed hitbox
In OW it doesn't matter if you use hitscan or projectile, the hitbox stays the same.
TF2 doesn't shove down my throat the requirement of having friends to even remotely enjoy the game.
>>340419942
I see what you're getting at and I agree, but you might as well just say it outright instead of dancing around it.
>I like TF2 more because it's a PC shooter while Overwatch is a consoler-centric shooter
If you're talking about retarded hitboxes in tf2, there's the flamethrower which will hit anything even if you're having a seizure. But even then it's arguable because they're fucking flames and the pyro is a noob filter.
>>340421859
I dpn't see the problem with that statement either, and it probably exemplifies what I'm saying.
>TF2 let's me be in charge, while Overwatch constantly holds my hand
>>340419942
>the ability to freely restrict classes, map sizes, or even weapons
Is there a stock-weapons only server somewhere? I tried searching vanilla servers but they're all about pre-nerf changes or no hat modes.
>>340422510
There are some stock only servers, they do take a bit of searching though.
>The game grumps have done videos about Overwatch.
>Markiplier, a guy who usually plays shitty jumpscare and adove flash vidya, and has tumblr as his fanbase has made a video about overwatch
You will be playing with both the people who like this channels and blizzdrones. And that's a fact.
>We have discussed a lot of times how Overwatch has far less content than Tf2
>B-b-but it has just launched!
So what? We are talking about which one of them to play NOW, not 9 years ago.
What about the appeal of the characters?
>Overwatch shorts: Bland as fuck. They seem like the trailer of a shitty movie. A guy who used to do sfm animations even predicted the dragons one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGjzzmHD9nk
>It's like if the characters were from different videogames. They share no simmilarities with eachother at a basic level. ANd no, that's not "them being unique", is the game not having an overall art direction.
meanwhile:
>Tf2 shorts accomplish perfectly what they were made for: Give a chickle while introducing the class to the player.
>Characters have the same artstyle.
I really could be going on and on. Tf2 is just better which of course doesn't mean OW isn't fun at all. But it's just an objectively better game overall.
>>340422717
I didn't even talked about the game mechanics.
>>340422717
did tf2 really come out in 2007? it feels like much later than that
>>340422883
October 9, 2007, my friend. It's been a while, isn't it?
>>340419086
I have 4000 hours on tf2. Obviously I adore it. Still I feel that Overwatch is a progression on everything tf2 does. It is the closest we will get to a tf3 and it is awesome. Every minor gripe I hear about overwatch or negative comparison to tf2 can be addressed with the answer that it is brand new. If you remember vanilla tf2 when it first released you will realize that overwatch is bound to improve and become more versatile in time also. You can't really compare a game that has a 9 year head start with a new one. That being said overwatch is incredible even in its present form.
>>340419425
>he doesn't know bout randoms headshots in Overwatch
>>340419086
The one with waifus.
>>340423302
>Opinion discarded
People like you is why the game has become so famous.
>>340423302
>implying TF2 doesn't have waifus
>>340423520I want to cum inside miss paulin
While I love TF2, it is admittedly casual in the sense that I could never take it's competitive scene and general high level play serious at all. Then Overwatch came along.
I like both games a lot, but I LOVE TF2. TF2 will represent an era in my life. Meanwhile, I honestly see myself being done with Overwatch by the end of the year unless Blizzard release a fuckton of maps and provide the tools for users to make and play their own.
>>340423151
I have 2300 hours on tf2 but haven't played it in months. Is it still fun?
>>340423964
Yes. Just try to go to the right servers and you'll have a blast.
4000 hours in tf2 reporting in.
i'd rate tf2 9.6/10 and overwatch 9.2/10, they are both great.
tf2 wins because of customization and mods
>TF2 before F2P
TF2
>TF2 after F2P
Overwatch
>>340423964
I came back after three years and it's the same desu, just with more silly congas and dances
>>340423682
The problem with competetive TF2 is that it is very difficult to get into. The game flow in 6s is very different from pubs and it takes a lot of time to get used to it. Also you have to actively seek out leagues, pugs and lobbies.
I hope that official matchmaking will ease people into playing comp tf2.
>>340423964
matchmaking is fun when it works which is like 2% of the time, though its still in beta
>>340420997
>I've never played TF2
Nobody fucking plays on nocrit servers. You may find one populated every now and again but the majority of your time will be spent in pubs
>Game came out 9 years ago
>people debate whether or not it is better than a game that came out this year
I think that goes to show the longevity of TF2 and the mediocrity of Overwatch
>>340424467
Seems like you've had shitty luck there browsing your servers,dude.
Of course people play in them. And I'm not even the guy you were replying.
Keep searching, anon.
>>340424634
I totally agree with this.Shame you are a frogposter.
Splatoon
>>340419191
Typical frenchman.
>>340423682
TF2 was meant to be played 12v12
I dunno why they dumbed it down to 6v6, bar that you need to pay fewer people.
>>340423964
i tried it again recently and i'm going to be completely honest with youi had a blast. it's easily the most fun i've had in a while
>>340421581
This is pretty stupid but honestly genji is such a fucking faggot to fight that i'm glad he has huge hitboxes, would rather fight tracer.
>>340425021
Because in a """""competitive""""" scenario 6v6 is easier to follow and makes coordination not impossible
>>340419942
tfw devs said they are looking into a server browser and possibly private servers
There goes half of your points TF2 fag
>>340424467
I just found 11 vanilla nocrit servers by putting in the "nocrits" tag into the server browser. And that's in the EU alone, NA should have way more servers.
>>340425021
12v12 is a clusterfuck, there's no way that it would work as a competetive format. Since Valve didn't really support comp TF2 the community tried out every possible team composition and picked 6v6 as the best one.
If you have 30 minutes of spare time, I recomend you watch the final map of the i55 upper ladder finals. It really shows why 6v6 tf2 can be amazing.
https://youtu.be/5fo3iriSj9w?t=1h30m14s
>>340425463
>Tfw we may get a basic thing on our shit game
LOOL U SO RIGHT xDDD!!1!1!
I want to play with Markiplier and his friends!1!!1!ONE!!!!
>>340421824
Competitive mode will be for groups only.
>>340425775
Where did you get that from?
>>340423240
>random headshots
Your aim is just bad anon-kun
Right now? Depend on if you want fixed heroes or custom.
At launch? Overwatch has way more content than TF2 at launch.
>>340425775
Not really?
>>340425021
TF2 was beta tested for 8v8.
>implying 12v12 competitive fps is at all feasible
>>340425463
>when your game is so shit that the devs have to "look into" something that should have been in the game since day 1
>>340422717
>People actually believe this
Why are people trying so hard to make TF2 relevant still? Even Valve has given up on it.
>le no content meme xd
Give it 2 years and OW will have more worthwhile content than TF2. And I mean actual content and not a shitty hat economy.
>>340420594
Except for all the MM testing servers that were filled to the gills
>>340425775
its already in beta and it doesn't require groups though
>>340426265
>Even Valve has given up on it.
Yeah, that's exactly why they are shipping out updates every couple of months that add new maps and weapon rebalances. And that's also why they are adding 6v6 matchmaking this summer.
TF2 still has an active playerbase 1.8 mil players. Valve still makes a shitload of cash from this game, there's no way that they will stop producing content for it in the near future.
>>340426265
>>340425701
Also, Valve hasn't given up on it at all. They implemented the matchmaking beta not-so-long ago, and currently they are working to get a full release on it, contacting with people from the current Tf2 comp community (b4nny).
So, yeah. If you don't really know about both games but just about one, don't try to post why the one you know about its so much better.
>>340419086
TF2 looks like a solid game compared to Babywatch.
>>340425701
>>340426248
>shit game XD
>7 million players
Please go on about how shit the game is Valvedrones
>>340419086
TF2, despite having several problems of its own. Which says more about Overwatch than anything.
>>340427031
>Using sales as a way to determine the quality of a game
get out
>>340419086
TF2, obviously.
>>340427031
?
>>340426760
>Something people wanted since release is just now being put in the game
> GAME ISN'T DEAD, VALVE ISN'T TRYING TO REVIVE IT AT ALL
>>340426654
http://steamcharts.com/app/440
Yea man check out that 1.8 million player base which even if it were true wouldn't compare to OW's 7 million and counting
>>340426760
sadly each update makes the game run even worse even on really good pcs I used to run tf2 all right on my toaster now its so back and forth, ill miss the old days
>>340422717
Overwatch is a disjointed mess because it's just Titan assets that Blizzard wanted to reuse so they could recoup their losses on a game that never launched, so they slapped together a babby-tier shooter and called it a day.
>>340427031
>What are adds?
>What are youtube channels promoting it?
>What is literally everyone on the internet talking about it at all times?
Club penguin also has a fuckton of players. Does it mean it's a good game, anon?
>>340427442
>Le Tf2 is dead maymay
Yeah, because at one point no one played the game, right? Oh, wait... people kept playing it.
>>340427442
http://steamspy.com/app/440
Active in the last 2 weeks, not currently in game.
>>340427442
>being this retarded
>>340427442
>OW's 7 million and counting
I lol'd
the anime image is a cherry on top
>>340427670
I totally agree. It should have been built from the ground.
>>340427719
http://steamcharts.com/app/440
http://steamcharts.com/app/440
http://steamcharts.com/app/440
>implying it's a maymay
>>340427501
just disable steam cloud and then reinstall the game m8
this fixes all problems with the game
I'll admit that both game are great in their own right.
Although personally I feel that TF2 always has something to master. There's a progression to get better. Sure this is to some extent in Overwatch but most of the characters are linear and only have one play style.
While I do enjoy Pharah because she's closest to Soldier, she feels pretty stale playing with both of their mechanics. I enjoy rocket jumping in tf2 and strafing to dive bomb enemies. That shit is satisfying to pull off.
I just personally enjoy tf2.
Pic is my Soldier loadout.
>>340423151
Overwatch launched with:
>Infinite ammo
>No community servers
>Wall hacks
>Aimbots
>Awful huntsman hitboxes for literally everything
>Poor balance
>No advanced movement options
>Barely any advanced mechanics at all
>Press X to Awesome buttons
>MMO/MOBA style ability cooldowns
>Bad characterization and lame writing
You don't fix that, this is how the game is supposed to be.
>>340420991
>>340421057
>>340421694
He used the scatter arrow to ricochette off of the wall.
>>340428021
>50k average daily players
>dead
>>340419086
Currently OW because everyone who was good at TF2 stopped playing. I'm hoping this changes a little when comp update comes out.
>>340419086
TF2 is thebestgame of them all but overwatch is good because of Xbox one and PlayStation 4, if tf2 was for the consoles then thread a different story altogether
Overwatch, if not entirely for its potential.
It actually has the potential of getting updates and new heroes.
I really dont like the latest trend in TF2 updates, being all content from workshop, play2play contract events so you can pay more money to open up cases that have terrible items in it.The items are terrible on purpose because of the new tiered case system, meaning you're going to get 5+ of the same merc grade item in a row. They completely stopped adding things to crafting recipe, and stopped putting hats directly in the mannco store directly so you're forced to play their shitty uncrate game if you just want one of the hats.
The tiered case shit got so cancerous that the last Scream Fortress update, most classes didn't even get an item. I really don't see a bright future for TF2. I bring up scream fortress because they didn't even fucking bother to make a SF 2015. They just recycled the old stuff and told us "play the old shit again we're working on other things".
Fuck Valve.
>>340427442
You are just a lost cause.
>>340428021
>Click all
>No drop in the graph
>Always at least 70,000 players playing
....ok? I guess you proved my point?
>>340427798
>>340427831
>>340427909
Can't make a retort so goes to the classic "lol retard" comeback
I think my work here is done
>>340425463
>retards moan on forums
>"we'll look into it"
meanwhile when overwatch devs hear a complaint about a character's butt they instantly make the change
great game fellas, great game
>>340419086
Overwatch
>>340428249
Actually there's a Tf2 Xbox ver. , i belive
>>340428113
desu I really hate how the game encourages you to hold down M1 all the time with the infinite ammo and less than half a second reload times
in TF2 you have small clips with super long reload times one shell/rocket at a time so spamming is very easily punishable.
>>340421568
*scottish nigger
>>340428390
>being this delusional
>>340428327
So just don't buy shit and play the game, moron.
You don't need any crappy cosmetics.
I want to understand why some people think TF2 can not be competitive when it has been played competitively since launch.
Sure, it was a mess at the beginning because of crits, no class limit etc. But everything has been fixed.
I have 3,000 hours in TF2, have been playing it for 7 years. My friend bought me Overwatch because he was super hyped about it and it a borderline Blizzard drone.
So I played about 10 hours of Overwatch, and the thing that bothers me is that it feels hollow.
It's fun. It's interesting. There's nice moments and it feels okay most of the time. But there's a lot of shit that just feels lazy:
>unlimited ammo, so no ammo management
>above point encourages endless spam
>random health pack placement, usually off in a corner
>above point removes meta-battles over crucial health points
>too many heroes with self-heal
>20 ticks
>atrocious hitboxes
>very little gunfeel, plays more like a First Person MOBA than a First Person Shooter
>Q to win
>Play of the Game is always someone pressing Q in a group
I don't get invested in victories in Overwatch. If I lose, it's whatever, if I win, it's whatever. If I push the cart at the last second and win in Overwatch, most of the time it feels like dumb luck rather than accomplishment.
Also I think Overwatch does a horrendous job of conveying information to the user. And the stupid fucking health bar above your enemy is just the casual cream on top of the casual cake.
6v6 standard matchmaking level up is also just literal cancer. There's no casual join a server and fuck around as Sniper or Spy or whatever. There's no server browser or community to just go and chill. It's tryhard from the moment you join a server.
The one thing I'm glad about with Overwatch is that it forced Valve to wake the fuck up and fix TF2 finally.
>>340428327
>Caring about the hat stuff at all
We are discussing the games themselves, anon.
>>340428495
I know I played it but it's definitely nowhere as good on Xbox 360 compared to the PC version
>>340428051
Most TF2 maps have tons of verticality too. You can rocket jump across half the map and get the drop on some clueless idiots. Nadejumping as Junkrat, or trying to get some distance as Pharah, is nigh on impossible because most of the time your arc is limited. Junkrat's stickyjump is such a weak feeling piece of shit compared to the demoman. In general I prefer the movement in TF2. Then again I remember hating the fact that TF2 didn't have conc nades while TFC did.
>>340419086
They're the same game basically.
>both have charaters with big butts
>pic related
>>340428527
Don't forget, there's no damage falloff in Overwatch either, so spamming from across the map is totally viable literally all the time, unless you don't want to give your position away.
>>340428587
It just isn't it's nature. But i do think it's competitive posibilities are much better than Overwatch's.
tf2 is better because the classes have a better chance against each other
and tf2 has more game modes, more maps, weapons to slightly modify each character, more input from community, a (slightly) less greedy and mercantile owner
I mean there's some benefits on both sides, but OW has years to go before its as good as TF2 is right now, its floating on novelty for the moment but they are at risk of collapsing
>>340428774
TFC?
>>340421568
>nigger
TAVISH IS A BASED BLACK MAN AND NOT A NIGGER, HE IS MORE >>>/pol/ THAN YOU WILL EVER BE, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>340428583
First off, fuck you I like cosmetic items and customization.
Second off
But "Just play you moron" side of updates suck too.
The maps they take off the community workshop and add to the game tend to be poorly made/optimized, new weapons are nowhere to be seen, instead of work on shit people actually want we get fucking Mann Power. Why the fuck does mannpower exist, its apparently "Out of beta now" but its still fucking shit.
They wasted time on Mannpower when Matchmaking is still pretty rough and unenjoyable, pretty much all the hype for TF2's Matchmaking is dead.
>>340428908
Team Fortress Classic
It came before tf2
TF2 pre-hats > Overwatch > current TF2
>>340428617
>The one thing I'm glad about with Overwatch is that it forced Valve to wake the fuck up and fix TF2 finally.
THIS! Plus, ironically now more people know about Tf2.
>>340428997
even with hats tf2's core gameplay outclasses overwatch's by a country mile
>>340428845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYKUGVGL0i4Scout has the best booty.
>>340428976
The game is a decade old, it's over anon.
What's in the game is what the game is now and forever.
>>340419086
I'll wait make my decision in a year when I may have close to half the amount of time i have in TF2.
>>340428949
>Implying he is other thing than a black scootish cyclops.
>>340428861
>unless you don't want to give your position away.
what do you mean? every map is a hallway and the enemy always knows where you are, how do you "give your position away"?
>>340428862
The game has a built-in tournament mode coming with class limit.
I know most weapons are banned using custom whitelists but still.
How is the game NOT competitive?
>>340419086
Well Spy is better in terms of utility, but as a character the winner is clearly also Spy.
>>340428997
>tf2 prehats is in the orange box
>orange box is pure shit
Sure anon, if you want to think that you didn't waste your money
>>340428021
How is TF2 dead? That's a shitton of players.
Plus, Overwatch literally JUST came out. Of course it's going to be popular. People are being paid to shill it 24/7.
TF2 is also in the middle of its annual update drought; players peak during the summer when the summer update hits. I'm not sure what your point is posting this. It doesn't prove anything.
Just play DOOM, senpai
>>340429118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09F2xUo8VSU
>>340429141
Overwatch is the better game sans the shitty tickrate.
TF2 is dead, no point investing hours in a game that has no competitive worth.
>>340429118
scooty booty
>>340429261
>TF2
>dead
>still in the top 5 most played games on steam
>>340419086
Miss me yet, sandrakers?
>>340429214
DOOM's multiplayer is playable garbage. butistillplayit
>>340428327
>opening crates
Why
If you want a specific item you can just trade it. Opening crates/cases is only for retards who want to bet on the 1% chance of getting a special snoflake unusual
>>340429261
>Implying OW has any competitive worth at all
heh. no. In fact, it has even less than Tf2. And that is very sad.
>>340428997
The only outright bad thing about post hat TF2 is the chargin' targe, the sandman, and basically all the annoying shit scout has now.
Being a kritz medick is suffering when you see 4 demos on the team, then realize they all have targes when I have a full meter, and none of them ever change to take advantage of it.
Why the fuck do you not want crits on demand? Even if you mess up it's better than the literally nothing I have to kritz right now.
>>340429150
Hence why it's literally always viable unless that scenario somehow arises.
>>340429261
>TF2 is dead
I thought Blizzshills were supposed to change up their rhetoric so it wasn't obvious it was the same people saying the same shit over and over?
>>340428976
>The maps they take off the community workshop and add to the game tend to be poorly made
like what? and don't say any map for some shitty mode like ctf_landfall. the maps they take tend to be already played and liked by the community like borneo or snakewater. I quite enjoy every new map they add.
>optimized
what do you mean by that? I run every map on 100+fps, not a single outlier
>>340429406
DOOM's mp is fine. People are comparing it to other arena shooters and basing their expectations on those experiences.
>>340429469
I'm just genuinely impressed that TF2 has taken on the most cancerous form of F2P micro transactions, when it used to be the most praised business model in the industry.
>>340428617
>Fix TF2
Adding comp that already exists and getting the community to make more shitty hats is fixing TF2? I fucking miss actual updates that Valve put some heart into. Overwatch feels so much fresh and exciting because every game feels different. TF2 it's the same no matter what map I'm on, 3 fuckign snipers at spawn or batts, 6 engies on point, publords thinking they're good at the game because they got a 5 killstreak on harvest. The game is dead for me and I'm sad about it.
>>340429627
pl_snowycoast got added in the tough break update and it's now one of my fave maps
>>340428997
>le hats ruined le game meme
>>340429637
That's why I said I still play it, it just feels a little unpolished to me
>>340428461
Yeah, like how they recognized the tickrate problem?
>you think that you want higher tickrate,but you actually don't because we said so :^)
Unreal Tournament.
>>340429653
I agree it became worse, but its not that bad.
You don't get anything that that gives you a combat-benefit over F2P players.
>>340429653
>Tf2 olde business model
>You can pay monies for a chance at a hat that does nothing
>TF2 newe business model
>You can pay monies for a chance at a hat that does nothing
VALVE IS DEAD
Impossible to say because I clocked a ridiculous amount of hours into TF2 and I'm not even close to that in Overwatch yet.
>>340429637
>buy arena shooter
>expect arena shooter gameplay
>it's different
>that somehow makes people's disdain unjustified
???
>>340429735
>Every game feels different.
With only three gamemodes
With only around 10 maps
How long have you been playing the game, anon? That's one of it's bigger flaws: How it gets dull and repetitive in no time.
>>340429735
>Overwatch feels so much fresh and exciting because every game feels different
nope. not at all. you may have a point if the character you picked at the start was the one you had to play all the way through but as it stands people just change character countering the same rock paper scissors shit ad infinitum kinda boring and i haven't played overwatch in a week
>>340429738
yeah snowycoast is cool
but fuck, every payload map except goldrush and hodoo are great
>>340419086
one is popular in comp, the other is almost never used
>>340428617
>hollow
Haven't tried OW yet but that's the feeling I get from watching the cartoons they release. With all those flashy animations, there just doesn't seem to be any character behind them.
I remember when tf2 was out some time and I discovered the Meet the Team videos and they were the things that made me hype as fuck to finally buy the game. 1600 hours and 7 years later I still rewatch them from time to time to boost my mood.
Even made me learn to play the guitar so I could play the Engineer guitar solo. Overwatch just doesn't seem to have the charm to make me do something like this.
>>340429821
You still can buy hats from the steam community market or get them through trading. People that open crates and then complain about the business model are retarded.
>>340430134
>Not liking goldrush
>Not pointing that hightower isn't really a payload map, but a "Do whatever the fuck you want" map
>>340429394
I missed being able to be an invisible brick wall sitting on the flag for all the shitty Pathfinders to splatter against.
>>340429627
>koth_suijin
It was so graphically intensive for the game it frequently loaded improperly when released, resulting in Walls and bridges not loading. Its been touched up but it still drops frames on mid tier PCs, I know you might be running the god tier of gaming PCs, but not everyone is. This is the map that I first think of that shows how far TF2 has gone from its Minimum specs.
I've seen similar issues reported on SnowyCoast and a few others.
>pl_hellstone
This is just the worst map I've ever played. I dont know how it got approved into the game.
Red vs Blue + Monoculus
Blue has a oneway shutter Door into last
Red suffers with various chokes trying to get out of spawn, while being spawn camped by monoculus
>>340430281
>liking chokepoint: the map
>not distinguishing payload from payload race
>>340429540
faggot chris i know thats you and your fucking ௵ shit
>>340429754
>being this wrong
You can play 60hz update in custom games bud
Let's do a tally, shall we?
Overwatch
>Shitty hitboxes that make headshots possible without even aiming near the head
>Abilities that would be called hacks in any other shooter
>3 gamemodes, 12 maps
>Character design and characterization that makes playing the game fucking painful
Team Fortress 2
>Hitboxes are generally good, unless you count the cuntsman
>No abilities, unless you count the variations in playstyle that different weapons offer. You are the sole provider of your success/failure
>Tons of maps, six official gamemodes (and god knows how many custom ones)
The winner is quite clearly TF2
>>340429839
Crafting recpies were forgotten
Direct purchasing got removed.
Random Drops don't hats anymore.
its great.
>>340430353
>koth_suijin
fixed
>pl_hellstone
It's a fucking halloween map. It isn't supposed to be balanced.
>>340419086
I enjoy both, but I prefer the selection of heroes in Overwatch more than TF2.
basically it acomodates to more styles than TF2
>>340429968
Around 5 days of playtime from combined with the beta. I would have more but work during the summer.
>>340430002
I like the "rock paper scissors shit" because it forces people to play different heroes and not do the "le 6 mini sentry engies to ruin all the fun" shit I see in TF2 now. Not to say that doesn't happen in OW but when it does you know you can play someone to cut that shit out.
>>340430149
It's been 4 years since I played Tf2 for the first time. I still enjoy seeing the Meet the tema shorts.
I saw the 4 OW short that are out. I felt like i was seeing advertising from some movie.
>>340422717
This nigga is right in everything he says.
>>340430504
>Crafting recpies were forgotten
True, but who used them besides F2Ps?
>Direct purchasing got removed.
Only for the new hats. You can still "directly" purchase them from the SCM.
>Random Drops don't hats anymore.
They drop again. In fact I got 3 hats in the last 2 months or so.
>>340430519
They haven't fixed the dropping frames on the map, I ususally only get 40-50 on it.
>>340430482
>you can play 60hz on a shit mode that no one uses
Gee thanks Blizzard
>>340430492
>TF2
>hitboxes are generally good
You clearly don't know what you are talking about with either game
>>340429735
>TF2 it's the same no matter what map I'm on, 3 fuckign snipers at spawn or batts, 6 engies on point, publords thinking they're good at the game because they got a 5 killstreak on harvest.
There are still plenty of public community servers out there that have class limits or just regs who are aware of the team comp and value quality teamwork on a casual 12v12 pubgame.
One example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtzr6PQm8Sg
>>340430353
mate I'm playing on Radeon HD6870, that's a 2010 medium range card and I get zero problems
>>340430353
>hellstone
I agree with this. But it was a halloween only map, so I don't really care that much.
>>340430764
Name one hitbox related issue in TF2 that doesn't have to do with huntsman
>>340430686
Motherfucker, I never got hat drops in 4 years
Tell me your secrets
>>340430686
>Crafting Recpies
I did, fuck trader faggots
>Direct purchasing
So basically valve is double dipping on the profits then. I think I would still prefer just paying for it direclty out of the store instead of waiting for some crate whores to put it up for unreasonable prices.
>Random drops
They do not drop recent cosmetics. I think this goes as far back as EOTL, those items and onward do not drop.
>>340430558
Then you still havent reached the point, anon. After playing for a bit more, you'll realize you've already seen everything the game has to offer. No joke.
Also, about what you said about countering the sentries, welp... Spy, demo, and solly exists, dude. Not sure what you mean to say about that.
>>340430921
ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Nb-fkxVe0
I have a lot more if you're curious.
>>340430921
Pomson, but just because it's projectile is weird as fuck.
>>340431045
post one that isn't invisible crotch
>>340430558
Literally every class except Pyro and scout can fuck the Engi up, even more if they group sentries like retards
Git gud
>>340419086
Are these going to be the new "dota vs lol" threads? Anyway, let's look at the OBJECTIVE FACTS:
TF2:
>free
>higher skill ceiling through physics/mechanics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7jelqvvzxE
>better dialogue and writing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzZ6GrRTgrM
>minimal visual clutter by design (eg- Spy's face mask indicating his disguise to allies)
>lots and lots of content and customization available
>highly moddable, level editor
>game settings have many options to get it working the way you want
>many balanced maps on offer
>dated graphics and performance
>Pyro and Spy are underpowered in serious play
Overhyped:
>40 dollarydoos
>lower skill ceiling, very few heroes that are in any complex or difficult to play at their highest potential
>uninspired dialogue and writing: "die, die, die"
>only content/customization available at this point is stock maps and LoL-tier skins
>unmoddable, no level editor
>options are limited
>all maps are flawed in design and contain single chokes such as Temple of Anubis
>fresh graphics and performance
>it's hard to pin down a "Worst" character on the Overcrotch roster
The only factual advantages Overwatch has over TF2 are graphics and competitive class balance. In every other area - cost, skill, dialogue, readability, content, moddability, options, map design- TF2 is the better game.
Additionally, TF2's daily player count did not change with the release of Overwatch, and it retained its position as the third most played game on Steam. Check if you don't believe me.
>>340431045
>Implying that isn't on purpose.
Son, you have never seen a real texan crotch, have ya?
>>340430954
I have more playtime than you but I haven't reached the point? I'm nowhere close to being done with this game, TF2 stopped being fun for me a while ago.
>>340419086
TF2 panders less to overerly sensitive casuals and never was an overpriced AAA title.
So that.
>>340430504
>>340430686
>>340430950
recipes are still a thing what the fuck? every weapon in the game can be crafted, even though there's no point to doing so as you could trade the ingredients for 10 of the weapon you're trying to make
I just hope they nerf widow bodyshots.
>mfw I like both games with TF2 a bit more
I'm over TF2. Game is far too old. I'll eventually get bored of overwatch too and move on.
Why do games have to have this infinite playtime to you faggots? It's like people who play WoW and expect to have content to last them 5 years but get mad when they play 8 hours a day and run out of content. Of course bitch you'd get bored.
>>340425463
>tfw devs said they are looking into a server browser and possibly private servers
The devs have "said" a lot of things.
Also remember that PvP the devs "said" they were gonna add in Diablo 3?They never did
>>340431230
Ooops, i skipped the "combined with the beta" part.
>>340431202
Oh and let's not forget Overwatch's 20 tick servers.
>>340431294
As in, they aren't adding any new recipes.
>>340427031
>>shit game XD
>>7 million players
So CoD is better than Overwatch?
Alright then.
>>340431183
>Non Existant Engineer Waist hitbox
I mean we've already listed two, the other being the huntsman, but if you saying "don't say it" justifies it. Well then lets just go deeper shall we?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BFm82SFsYs
If you're lazy, skip to 4:10
My wife's son loves TF2 ,more.
>>340431554
What would you want a recipe added for?
Cosmetics have never had specific recipes for them and all weapons in the game already have a recipe.
>>340421581
Overwatch is still fun, I will never play anything competative again probably so its just a big intense game which I can get out my aggressions on.
>>340431202
>overwatch is more balanced than TF2
Are you serious
>>340419086
>Which one is better?
TF2
>>340431432
but anon.. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/game/guide/gameplay/pvpyou're still right, they'll never add dedicated servers. they "experimented" with higher tick rates in custom games, a feature no one uses, and deemed there was zero interest in it
>>340427719
Club Penguin is GOAT tbqh.
>>340423302
people like you are why shitty games exist
>>340431614
Both of the examples you have provided are bugs or caused by latency. Overwatch has ridiculous hitboxes by design.
>people brining up Huntsman this much
It's not like it matters much. Even if you are a godtier huntsman player, huntsman is still outplayed by a fairly decent sniper with a rifle.
When the enemies are not retards and know how to dodge projectiles, the huntsman magic-hitboxes count for even less.
>>340432003
These bugs or latency issues have existed for years and will never be fixed.
I dont give a fuck why they're in the game, they're in the game and they're not going anywhere.
Fuck I'd say this is worse, one pyro is signfiicantly better than another just because his internet is different.
>>340431185
>They are spread apart and nobody on the team goes Medic
>I go Medic
>Every Demo and Soldier I have on my team is too incompetent to make any sort of play when I uber them
I don't think it's me that needs to git gud
>>340432051
>When the enemies are not retards and know how to dodge projectiles, the hanzo magic-hitboxes count for even less.
>>340432085
>Fuck I'd say this is worse, one pyro is signfiicantly better than another just because his internet is different.
>>340431705
I'm not saying that I want any new recipes, I just explained why I and the other anons consider them "abandoned". Honestly I've never used a recipe besides restore/rebuild headgear.
>Valvedrones destroying Blizzbabies
Glorious
>>340419942
Wait 10 years, lets compare
>>340432128
Except the hitboxes are not only silly for Hanzo's arrows, it's for fucking everything. Widow could make the same kinds of shots as Hanzo is shown doing in the webms in this thread.
>>340431787
Overwatch
imagine how dull TF2 would be if it were always forced at 6 vs. 6 and you could never play on a dedicated server with the same group of regulars
tf2 is a lot better but overwatch is new and fun
>>340432193
Killcams have always never been a clear and good accurate reason why they killed you. Tired of seeing that shit being posted. Comes down to lag compensation makes it hard for the server to emulate where exactly you were compared to where the enemy saw you.
This is for every game ever.
>>340432193
I like how you cut the part of the video where it shows Widow flicked directly on 76's head
>>340432381
This, ffs.
TF2, objectively and irrefutably. But I still like OW.
>>340432115
Just go Soldier,Demo,or Spy and destroy them yourself. Hell you can even do it with an heavy if you're good.
>>340432337
>meanwhile roadhogs hook is not only hitscan, but has aim correction so hooks that would miss hit instead
Overwatch is so horrendously designed for a AAA game it's mindblowing how people can even defend it.
>>340432546
>an heavy
>>340432193
Intentional shitty design
vs
Oversights and Glitches that will never be fixed, even if reported.
Why does anyone play either of these games.
>>340432323
Widowmakers can't. It only works above the enemies head. I did some testing myself and found that above headshots with her will hit, but side headshots (around corners) has a much tighter if not single pixel hitbox so you can't pull bullshit around the corner.
Still bullshit though.
>>340432478
>game doesn't use dedicated servers
>it also has 20 tick
Keep slurping up that Blizzard cock.
>>340432381
That's why pub TF2 is so fun. You can have 6 people playing the game, 3 just fucking around playing sandvich heavy and 3 afk in spawn. And the game is still fun.
>>340432605
Barely anyone is. Only the hardcore shills. Large majority dislike it. No one here barely defends it and the videos displaying it on youtube have a large majority of people attacking it.
>>340430529
But the Overwatch classes are just dumbed down versions of the TF2 loadouts.
>>340432605
>aim correction
You're talking about latency issues/lag comp anon
>>340432734
I'll keep having fun and you can keep saying why the game I like is shit and how nobody should enjoy it.
>>340432897
Then why are there millions of people playing the game? You'd think that they would wise up after a few matches of Overbotch.
>>340432337
What map is that webm taken on?
Because if you're using bot kills on tr_walkway or other tr_ maps as an example, you're showing a problem with those maps, not the game. tr_maps load their bots with t-pose hitboxes and normal visuals, making headshots register on bots in what appears to be the wrong spot. It's a well known custom map issue, not a game issue.
>>340419086
Pre-Hat TF2 > Overwatch > Current TF2
My opinion is fact.
>>340432897
>Everyone who likes this game is a shill
>Everybody else hates this game and the majority attacks it
/v/ autism is best autism
>>340432337
That first shot clearly hit him right in the head
>>340422717
>game grumps
Lets plays are all incorrigible cancer. Fully agree.
>content
No the question is which is better. Overall. Your right, tf2 still has more content theres no denying that, the fact that we have to speculate on content we arent actually promised just means that maybe its just bad to compare the two games
>shorts
Subjective judge all you want, i cant argue against your opinion, but he did not predict the dragons short. He guessed hanzo would ult. Thats it. Everything else you could easily guess from the clip shown in the dragons teaser. He could not be more /v/ incarnate
>>340419086
The one with the cute butt.
>>340433047
Of course, go on and play your game. But don't try o defend it.
>>340433104
You can literally do this right now if you wanted to in any map. It's not a map issue, it's a shitbox issue that based Volvo will never fix because they could not care less about TF2 right now
>>340433025
>You're talking about latency issues/lag comp anon
No, I'm talking aim correction. There is a set area around your reticule and if an enemy's hitbox is even slightly within said area the hook will hit. It's around 1" in width.
In other words the hook doesn't travel in a straight line. In fact it doesn't even travel since it's hitscan, nor do you actually need to land direct hook on enemies.
This is designed to allow even the shittiest of players to land hooks. This is how Blizzard designed the entire game, so even the biggest shitter idiots will be able to have "fun" and be successful.
This game doesn't really reward skill. Instead it tries to make everyone feel like they have skill.
>>340432085
Engineer crotch is most likely getting fixed with the comp update and especially because a youtuber made a video about it recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si2YGyURTio
flamethrower is kinda fucked true, that situation in the video is literally never ever happening in a real game though
