>He fell for the NVIDIA is DirectX12 ready meme
>>340397228
20-25% Performance boost over 1 generation seems pretty reasonable to me.
AMD bro here just curious if theres a point to you making this thread...am i missing something?
>>340397228
>1920x1080
>MLAA
>DX12
>96 fps on a 1080
hahaha what
>>340397228
go back to ur /g/
>>340397228
It's a total war game you fucking retard. it's CPU bottlenecking.
That isnt to say nvidia is currently worse at dx12 than AMD, because it seems they are, but get your shit straight.
>>340398390
>every video card is using the same CPU
>it's CPU bottlenecking, that's why AMD cards are outperforming Nvidia cards in their same price bracket!
full kek
>>340400246
That's how cpu bottlenecking works, as the frame rate gets higher and the GPU becomes the least limiting factor the CPU is driven harder and eventually maxes out.
It's why when testing for CPU bottlenecking review sites always drop the resolution.
See image above your post.
>>340397228
But nothing above 60 even counts? Why not just R9 380x and be happy with it, or GTX 970.
I will always buy Nvidia™ because I only play games The Way It's Meant to be Played™. Nvidia also pioneers innovative new technologies like PhysX™, Gameworks™ and the highest quality driver to ever grace Windows.
When I boot up with a brand new Nvidia™ Geforce™, I can experience the game just like it's mean to be played. Nvidia™ also delivers a far more silkysmooth experience.
Nvidia Geforce™ is also very power efficient. A graphic card is the most power hungry device in your house. Refrigerators, air conditioners, water heaters, dish washers, lights, etc all use significantly less power than a graphic card. Which is why Nvidia™ puts gamers first by ensuring that their gaming experience is of the highest quality while looking out for gamers by giving them the most value in their electrical bill.
At this point in time, there's really no reason to consider an AMD graphic card at all. I tried one one time, it caused so much heat that it exploded. It also consumed so much power that it gave on an EMP and destroyed the rest of my computer.
Nvidia™ also pioneered how useless GPGPU is with CUDA™. Years ago, everyone thought GPGPU, CUDA™, and OpenCL were the future. Now, Nvidia™ has removed those useless features from their GPUs and increased efficiency. Now you can save thousands a year in electricity thanks to Nvidia™ ensuring that useless features like GPGPU are "optimized" for gamers.
It's quite clear that OP's an AMD shill trying to convince you to settle on something less than The Way It's Mean to be Played™. Nvidia™ is the only real way to play games. We have seen recently that they offer incredible libraries for software developers like Nvidia Gameworks. He is probably too poor to afford the Nvidia Geforce Experience and can not afford to play any games The Way It's Mean To be Played™.
Don't be a poor gamer with bad drivers and a huge power bill. Play games with the Geforce™ Experience™: The Way It's Mean To Be Played™
>>340400920
>>340397228
>He fell for the DX12 meme
>people on /v/ fell for the 3.5 meme
This is why this board is full of children and retards, although those are redundant as childrens are retarded.
>>340397684
Is this your first Total War game?
Go look at the benches for that entire series, it's always run like fucking ass.
>reference cards
Also TWW seems like absolute shit if the 1080 can't even pull 100 on 1080
>>340401813
It's a good benchmark since no other game moves thousands of soldiers on huge maps
Who gives a shit if it can pull 200fps in a corridor shooter?
>>340402934
>no other game moves thousands of soldiers on huge maps
you fucking what?
>>340402934
Ashes of Singularity.
But thats "biased" AMD because amd has async compute.
If any DX12 games use async compute, be prepared to be raped anally in the future.
>>340397228
What processorcuck?
>>340397228
> Nvidia
> guys, how to we name our gpu series ?
> let's just make it easy, the number go up
> ok
> meanwhile at no drivers
> Nano
> fury
> fury x
> 390
> 390x
>>340403363
I seriously never know what generation an Ayoo Muh Dik card belongs to. I have to remember it or look it up. They also love to give their cards edgy names. RADEON R9 FURY X sounds like a new Yugioh series.
>>340397228
>my 970 falls under a re-branded 290x again
Fucking Nvidia. Never again
>>340403363
>>340403740
>Titan X
>Titan
>Titan Z
>980
>980 ti
WOW SO CONSUFSING
Braindead Inc?
>>340404143
Are those confusing? Those are nVidia names.
>>340404143
You forgot the Titan Blacked
>>340404082
It's always been worse than the 290x
We're finally feeling the stagnation this gen from consoles. We won't see a game more demanding than witcher 3 or gta v for another 2 years probably. My 290x will last me another 2 years at least
>>340404892VaporCitizen
>>340403051
Any examples?
>>340397228
They couldn't run these benchmarks on GCN 1.0 cards? Is DX12 on this game GCN 1.1 or higher only? WTF
>Hey guys, the MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Gaming X review we had this morning is offline until Friday. There has been a bit of confusion regarding embargo times and dates, this morning when we posted the review we did contact Nvidia who gave us the thumbs up on the article. As it now turns out AIB 1070 reviews are still embargoed until Friday. So we have taken the article offline and will obviously re-post it upcoming Friday.
>tfw HD 7870
The RX 480 can't come quick enough.
>>340406996
>NDA on AIB GTX1070
>please don't publicize these gpu yet guys
>please let us sell all these 'Founder Edition' first guys
>>340400920
I seriously don't know how old this pasta is, but it's fucking amazing. Thank you anon.
Coming from an NVIDIA user.
>>340406783
I think that has more to do with DX12
>>340403246
i7 4790K
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4mxdgcshpM
AMD can't even do DX12
No Conservative Rasterization
No Rasterizer Ordered Views
No Tiled Resources Tier 3
No Tessellation
>>340397228
>he fell for the Botnet 10 scheme when there are barely any good or optimized dx12 games
Nice shitpost op
>>340409525
None of that matters as Polaris cards do those.
Infact they do that and Async compute.
>nvidia incharge of async compute
inb4 damage control
>>340397228
>he fell for the CPU bottleneck meme
>there are people that bought a GTX 970 when they could have bought a R9 390 for the same price
>>340397567
well when they market the 1080 to be 2x more power and effecient than the 980... IT ISNT GETTING 2x MORE FPS IS IT? you shilling jew fuck.
>>340397228
>1080 is just 6 FPS ahead of the fury X
Will games even require dx12 anytime soon? I mean, theyll still be dx11 compatible right?
And if the only difference is framerate, as long as im getting good fps as is, whats the big rush into dx12?
Weve heard so much about dx12 for 2 years and it seems just as irrelevant to worry about it now as it did then.
>>340415312
It's an effective marketing tool for AMD.
>>340415312
>And if the only difference is framerate
Is it though? I thought DX12 will also have graphical improvements, at least Vulkan does
>>340415654
No AMD cards support them. Polaris will hopefully.
>>340415818
Is RX480 polaris?
>>340415903
Yep
>>340397228
>he fell for the Total War: Warhammer is optimized meme
Its an AMD game.
Just like nVidia games, its stupid.
It has MLAA as the main AA, which is like FXAA for nVidia but is even more in favor of AMD, thats why nVidia doesnt get a big edge.
Still its a TW title and the most important thing is that it runs perfectly at 60 fps on mid range cards, looks great and is very fun to play.
retarded OP I hate you
Fury X costs as much 1080 and still runs slower. Am I missing something? All those AMD shill threads are pathetic. I'll wait for actual dx12 benchmarks of their 400 series and will make a decision. Also don't forget that dx12 is nowhere near being the go to choice. There is like 10 dx12 games in development, most of them won't even have it on day 1, majority (80%+) PC owners don't even have a card that can use dx12. It's "AMD CPUs are destroying Intel in this one scenario that nobody actually uses" all over again.
>>340401614
The 3.5 meme actually wasn't an issue in a single (1) game released so far.
>>340404082
But 970 gtx was meant to BTFO 290x, not 390x. Dunno wtf you're talking about.
>>340406996
>>340407287
1070 GTX reviews have been floating around for over week now. Are you retarded?
>>340401614
Still performs better than your shitty advanced micro dicks card though
>1080p
Sounds like CPU bottlenecking.
>>340413934
>390x literally came out a year after 970 gtx
>AMD shills in charge of fact checking and reading comprehension.
970 gtx was competing with 290x, not 390x fuck face.
>>340417996
Try to play in a resolution higher than Full HD you piece of shit
I wonder if that is with SSAO on since that's a pretty big performance hit
>>340418932
Not an argument, 970 gtx was never a 1440p card and your fps will hit unplayable 30-40 fps way before you hit the 3.5vram cap choppiness. Seriously AMD fans are so fucking clueless.
>>340418651
I never said anything about the R9 390x.
And it doesn't matter that the GTX 970 released earlier, since the R9 390 released it's its direct competition, because Nvdia still hasn't released any successor.
>>340419502
Actually it does. For a whole year after release 970 gtx had no competition in its price department. You might as well be retarded enough to laugh at 8800 GT owners for not waiting till 390 came out. Everyone who bought 970x in the first year made a smart choice - The "wait till next series" argument is irrelevant, as there is always something better coming up in next year. Also yea you mentioned 390, not 390x, not my fault AMD is too retarded to name their cards properly.
Probably an incredibly stupid question, but how much longer do you guys think till there will be a single card capable of a stable 1440p 144hz?
>>340419907
And maybe you will finally realize that I never called out those who bought the GTX 970 before the R9 390 released. My post was specifically aimed at those who had the choice between those 2.
You should probably work on your reading comprehension.
>>340420208
That is a stupid question
>he isn't buying based 1070 for $700
absolute steal, can't wait to upgrade my 7970 ghz edition
>>340420509
>$700 for a 1070
Considering the 1080 is supposed to have an MSRP of $600 and $700 for the founders edition that seems a wee bit overpriced
>>340420208
Reasonably, under 10 years.
>>340420670 the 1070 is $380 USD. Not sure where he/she/it got $700 from, unless he/she/it isn't from the United states
>>340420853
Probably Australian
>gtx960
>>340421141
It's a card somewhere between midrange and budget.
What, exactly, did you expect?
>>340397228
what the fuck. I have a 290 and I sure as fuck don't get 72 fps in warhammer. Especially on fucking max details. It drops to around 30-40 in big battles.
I always feel like these benchmarks are bullshit.
>>340403210
It's a biased benchmark because it does not represent the majority of games. It even supports multiple GPUs natively so you don't have to crossfire/SLI, and people are using this game to show off how good crossfire performance allegedly is when it's multi GPU solution is better than SLI/crossfire. This is definitely a good thing for the game, but it doesn't represent the industry as of yet. Maybe once Windows 10 adoption takes off most games and not just niche ones will support dx12 all all the extra goodies it supports.
>>340421348
If you bought a 960 you are either too stupid to realize amd has better cards for less money/same price, or you're a nvidia fanboy.
Not sure which one is worse desu.
>>340421767
It's in DX12, which isn't available to the general public yet, and you may have been using a high level of AA or SSAO which the benchmark doesn't appear to use, that makes performance drop like a rock.
>>340421981
I've had driver issues with my x1650, my HD3850 and my HD6770.
You know what? You can suck my fanboy dick. I finally have a card that's not giving me any shit, and when I drop ~$200 on a stopgap until a good 1070 aftermarket is out, I don't care about the $30 I could've saved. It's well worth knowing I don't have to deal with AMD again.
>>340420208
just turn the graphix to low and you'll probably achieve it
you aren't a graphicsfag, are you?
>>340422437
it werks in my machine m8
>>340420509
For its price point, the 1070 is a really good deal. 980ti tier performance for about ~$400 for a model with good cooling. I'm getting one for my rig (don't even have a GPU yet, I built it planning to get a GPU once Nvidia and AMD announce Pascal/Polaris)
>>340397228
I'm just waiting for reviews/availability.
60€ less than reference too.
Stay salty OP.
I got a GTX 770 right now and I want to upgrade
Should I buy 1080, 1070 or wait for AMD No Drivers?
I got enough shekels for 1080 by the way
>>340424540
Get a gigabyte g1 1080
T. Amd user who has no company loyalty, and would gladly use a 1080 if I was rich
Waiting for vega
>>340423485
Unless you plan to slap a water cooler on that thing and OC it to hell, not worth it.
>>340425405
It's currently the second cheapest 1080 in here. But I would expect the prices to equalize by the end of the month.
battlefield 1 will be the true test, if i can get 100+ fps on 1080 ultra settings no need to buy any of these cards (crossfire 290x)
skipping 1440 holding out for 4k 144hz monitor
>>340399510
>>340397228
Hmm it really does seem like a maxwell refresh
Not worth the 600 bucks
Gonna wait for the 490
>>340426115
It's also significantly more power hungry than the SC for hardly any improvement per stock.
If you don't OC, you'll get like one frame more out of it, at the expense of 35W.
>>340426347
You'll have to hold out a long time then, or spend a fuckton of money in the intermedia future.
>>340426530
Of course I'll OC it. Afterall that's why I want a card with beefier power delivery.
>>340397228
970 is still the 1080p/60fps king that always runs cool as ice
enjoy your ovens amd faggots
>>340426530
>35w
its fucking NOTHING
I can't believe you retarded faggots literally bought into the power efficiency meme
>>340422437
People far underestimate how many driver issues and cards have. My 6870 caused my mouse to break in dota 2 for 4 years of constant shitty updates. Maybe their drivers only work well if higher tiered cards, but goddamn the number and frequency of driver issues I had was obscene. I bought a meme card and haven't seen a driver issue since I got it
>>340427278
My 290x runs at 70c after a 10% overclocked because I'm not retarded and put a good cooler on it, but I'll let you pretend that isn't true for now
>>340427117
Wish I had the cash to do the same.
But it's going to cost like over 800 yurodollas here.
>>340427393
I don't have AC. Summer is approaching. Every watt counts.
>>340427716
No it doesn't. In any practical sense 35w is 0w.
>>340422437
>I've had driver issues with my x1650, my HD3850 and my HD6770.
And i've had driver issues with my 6600gt. My anecdote is worth as much as yours.
960 is shit compared to a 380 and costs the same. That's all there is.
All of you amd shills are laughing now but you need to keep in mind that Nvidia has been destroying amd consistently in recent history. No matter how much you want amd to become the victoriosus underdog, unless they discover some super secret gpu processing power or find out they have an endless supply of money that they had been chilling in the basement, they will never win. This is a sad truth for pc gaming (no competition is bad) but you need to accept it.
>>340417996
Shadow of Mordor and Quantum Break
>>340421348
the 380 is around the same price
>>340428383
>960 is shit compared to a 380
They perform roughly on level. Differences aren't that large.
>>340431145
Yeah it's just more than twice the fps
>>340431505
In DX12 which few games use.
>buying AMD
>any year
why do that to your computer? why do that to yourself?
>>340432710
>Buying Nvidia after they made plain for everyone to see they make planned obsolescency their main business strategy
>1070 is but a cheaper 980ti
>>340435461
A mid-range, affordable card performing on level with the previous high-end card?
What's your problem?
>tfw I still have a 760
>tfw I don't even care because I don't even play AAA releases anymore
>tfw if I ever do upgrade, it's when Win10 isn't required to play, DX13 exists, or NVIDIA stops releasing meme cards
>>340436762
Every card will forever be a meme card so long as you're poor.
>>340414170
>2x more power means twice as many frames in every game
Nevermind that games themselves can be horribly unoptimized pieces of coding garbage right? The hardware will just brute force twice as many frames through the thingamajigger that puts out pictures on my screen
>>340418932
>I bought a card intended for 1080p so I could try to play shit on higher resolutions!
>>340400775
>60 Hz peasantry
>>340436985
>Implying
Every major release now is complete shit, I'm more then happy playing the decades worth of actually decent games to last me a life time. If I wanted to I could go out right now and buy a new one. But I don't because I don't have shit taste and I'm smart about my money.
>>340438392
>It's not actually the cards, it's the games!
>I'm not poor, really!
Stay poor.
>>340438589
>t. triggered millenial who can't into any game that doesn't have 2048p 256 fps Cinematic Experience garbage with tacked on shooter mechanics
>>340439436
>>340420208
there is literally no reason to play on ultra at those framerates. Make a sensible choice between Graphics and Performance based on the game instead of burning $1500 on gpu
>>340397228
rx480 has better performance per watt than 1080
rx480 performance wise is between 970 and 980
2 x rx480 in optimized games give better performance than 1080 and cost less and probably draw less(this needs checking up).
whats the point in buying nvidia in this gen?
>own GTX 970
>plays everything comfy with high settings at 1080p
>friend buys a 390 because hurr durr le 3.5 meme
>mfw I have to listen to him complain how shitty the drivers are
Literally every game needs to wait a week for a proper driver, he couldn't play DOOM for 5 days.
AMD is fucking garbage software-side, which is a shame because their hardware is really great.
>>340439770
Nice meme senpai.
http://lesswrong.com/lw/kwk/overly_convenient_clusters_or_beware_sour_grapes/
>>340439770
>Boy, those grapes that are poisonous and rotten that I can't reach sure look tasty!
>>340440345
>in optimized games
That's what.
>>340397228
Why do these things never show the CPU being used?
>>340440730
Devs should be moving to vulkan/dx12 anyway so who cares, I'm playing vidya that has to pass all the gpu commands through one cpu, fuck that shit.
>>340413934
>buying AMD cards
>>340440972
>Devs should be moving to vulkan/dx12 anyway so who cares
Should be, but that's still a good bit away. If it happens at all and Vulkan doesn't end up being yet another dud.
I have some amount of confidence that nvidia will get their shit sorted out by then. With the 10xx series, the hardware is there.
>>340441160
>Should be, but that's still a good bit away
I don't think so, Vulkan/DX12 gains are a real thing, no dev is gonna not jump at the opportunity to get them gains.
>Vulkan doesn't end up being yet another dud
What do you mean? Do you mean like mantle was?
Too late for me now.
>>340397228
Geforce 1070 is looking real good for its most likely 380-450 price point (MSRP to aftermarket overclocked models Im' guessing).
Can't wait. I'm excited for everyone who is getting what they want or more than what they wanted from their cards. I want everyone to have fun and the best graphics.
>>340397228
>he fell for the DirectX12 meme
DirectX hasnt changed since 10
>>340435461
It's Titan X tier for $379+ (~$400 with a good cooler). It's a pretty good value.
>>340440345
Because two 480s have worse performance per watt than a single 1080 or 1070. Two 480s cost more than a 1070, and with a single 1070 you don't have to deal with micro stutter and all the other issues with crossfire. A 1070 gets 12-23% less performance than a 1080, but costs 36% less. So the 1070 already offers a good price/performance for people that want something a tier above the 480.
>>340442418
It's not that great of a value at all compared to the 480. ~25% faster for almost twice the cost? Not great.
Look if you play on pc, you're a cuck regardless of who's gpu you chose
But if you chose amd you're a welfare pcuck, which is even more hilarious
>>340443209
>~25% faster
*in DX12
>>340443209
We don't know how fast the 480 is in more standard benchmarks. It's way too early to say it's 80% as fast. The optimistic estimates put the 480 at gtx 980 tier performance. According to pic related, the 1070 is ~33% faster than a 980.
>>340443729
Also the 8gb 480 is $230. $230 x2 = $460. Even the "founders edition" 1070 doesn't cost as much as two 8gb 480s, which is the more fair comparison if you're going to be crossfiring.
>>340444071
>Crossfire
When will the meme of comparing dual cards to single ones finally end.
Enjoy spending twice the amount to have all the drawbacks of two cards in the few games that support it.
>>340444720
>Twice the amount
The point is that you get better performance by spending considerably less
>>340445071
But your price/performance goes down the shitter because you're not doubling your performance. You get diminishing returns pretty fast in multi GPU set ups.
>>340445217
1 cards to two is a big gain. Like, 50%. 2>3 is like 20%. 3>4 is like 10
>>340445071
>>340445340
>Let me now completely ignore all the draw backs of multi GPU setups that were pointed out to me in favour of maintaining my shit argument which doesn't account for that.
>Could've bought either GTX 780 or 290x at the time.
I'm so happy I bought the 290x
>>340445340
You're going to feel like a retard spending $460 for two 480s when AMD launches their cards that are a tier above the 480.
