at the end of the day, was this a good game?
It was above average.
>>340379107
Name a 3rd person shooter with better controls. Does it run at 60fps? Also the cutscenes were badass. I'm going to say yes. It was a good game.
It was revolutionary thematically and amazing as a game. It's a shame the theme made the story feel incomplete and disappointing but well, that's the point so whatever.
I enjoyed it
>>340379107
one of my favorite single player games
It was a good game
But a bad metal gear game
No, not really. With its graphics and core mechanics it could have been an amazing game, but they flubbed it hard in almost every way. Sad way to end such a great series.
Gameplay and visuals are great.
Story and the actual levels were mediocre to bad. Open world was a mistake - it was fun to be able to approach a base in different ways, but we didn't need all those miles of empty space between bases that serve literally zero purpose.
Game should've been more linear. Give us large bases that we can approach from any angle, but don't give us miles of surrounding wastespace. Almost like Ground Zeroes.
>>340379107
The gameplay was exceptionally good, but the story was garbage.
She climbed the rock face and stood at the top. There, she could see the earth stretching all the way to the horizon. Aah, is this really how big the world is? The sky is so blue it makes me dizzy, and so very high. Its deep blue hue and height tell me of its connection into outer space. Is there truly no place where I belong, not even in this vast world?
'I'll take you there.' Where could it be, Boss? Can I see it from here?
The heat in Quiet's chest grew too much to bear, and she fell to her knees. Her tears ran down her cheeks and to her neck before dripping to her chest. It was time to close her mouth.
"I am Quiet. I am... the absence of words"
Placing her hand to her chest, she apologized to the newly-born children within. Sorry, but I can't let you out of here. You will disappear with me.
Quiet doused herself with the gas tank, and ignited it with Big Boss's lighter.
It was fun.
No. If they built actual MGs tier levels instead of a dead open world then it could have been amazing.
>>340379107
Fuck yes.
>The graphics are badass.
>The gunplay is badass.
>The cutscenes, though rarer than in other MGS games still BTFO of any other game's.
>The base management was deep and rewarding.
>You got to have an old fashioned smatphone in the 80's able to call in airstrikes on demand
>Tons of different items, most of them having niche uses, if not fun ones.
>Tfw you order a shipment of ammo on your way to a fight
>Tfw you drag a body out of sight and fulton it
>Fultoning everything
>Mother base is cozy af
>Added free multiplayer after promising nothing
>Still has that MGS weirdness that jars in just the right way with the cinematic cutscenes to be kinda hilarious
>Open world
>Beautiful world, maybe could've used another region
>Listening to ocelot's tapes while you chill in the cozy aerial base
>D-Dog
And the list goes on
AND I'LL NEVER BE WHOLE AGAIN
Yes but the story was shit
And it didn't felt "metal geary"
9/10 up to okb zero
6/10 after jeep ride
0/10 after opening the idroid in chapter 2
>>340379107
it was pretty cool. but /v/ will paint it as some sort of pizza hut tie-in, freeware game from 1991
It was immensely flawed as a Metal Gear Solid game and a pretty flawed open world game even then. I sunk 100 or so hours into it, but after all is said and done, it was just ok.
it was alright
>>340381103
This is pretty accurate
Rated on what it was, rather than what it should have been, it was my favorite game of 2015.
Literally the only one I could not put down until I had finished, even if it was incomplete as all fuck.
>>340379107
The pacing at the end of the game was fucking weird.
>replaying missions as endgame
Fucking what?
But still all the stuff that could be done, the bizzarness and fun of Fulton, the gunplay, customizaction, it was definitely a well spent $60
>>340379494
I thought is was too long
>>340379107
>story
awful
>music
it's k
>graphics
great
>gameplay
GOTY material
Empty and shit overworld game, but the gameplay itself was superb.
>>340379107
A letdown in the case of actual content.
A great game in the case of actual Gameplay.
>>340379107
Anyone who needs to ask this question is retarded and has no clue about what makes a game good
the core controls might be good (hence it has potential for application in complex levels and mission objectives), but basically after you've completed these 3 missions (rescue kaz, a heros way and the one where you dash around to stop and extract tanks) youve seen every piece of truly unique content they managed to come up with
they focused on stupid shit like making 3 different functioning inflatable balloons and adding retarded deployment systems and huge open worlds
Ground Zeroes was a good game, no matter its quantity but it was easily the best stealth game since chaos theory
TPP is like its retarded child, it cannot even fucking get the same gamefeel and animations correct the second time, they just had to make it floaty weightless shit because kids complained how Snake didnt snap 180 in a nanosecond
All in all its a tech demo with nothing impressive to show besides the lighting and maybe the ballistic detection, even the graphics got worse from GZ
link related, has the animations/ graphical quality of GZ, textures look much better than even TPP maxed out on PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMyoCr2MnpM
the marketing was more engaging than the story was
absolutely adore playing it though
No, it wasn't. It was ruined by ~muh ruse~ Kojima and his inability to tell the story he marketed/people wanted to see.
Kojima is a fucking idiot for not delivering the "missing link between Big Boss MGS:PW/MG1"
>>340379107
Depends on the angle of your approach. As a sandbox that lets the player fuck around it's alright, if a tad dull. As a tense sneaking experience the game usually fails to be compelling, though. And the story is pretty shit. It's sloppy in a lot of ways, but it isn't awful despite having some awful parts.
>>340385241
>Kojima is a fucking idiot for not delivering the "missing link between Big Boss MGS:PW/MG1"
There wasn't much of anything missing. The trailers were certainly misleading, though.
>>340379107
Well the foundations for it as a TPS are fantastic, its just the other parts that suck. Open world was maybe not a mistake, but it was poorly designed. AI was stupid. Very little challenge.
Honestly if they had just slapped in some coop, removed all the story and made it so you made a character, outfit him, select and do objectives it would have been a more enjoyable game. I feel like trying to be a MGS game held it back.
No. It's just Peace Walker with a gameplay to story ratio of 1:20, infinite cringe, worse bosses and no Monster Hunter.
>>340385817
There was plenty missing. How did Big Boss become this evil child enslaver? How did Outer Heaven get built? What caused him to "go over the edge"
Now they can say "oh well that's US propaganda" but he had every fucking reason to turn on the US after Snake Eater. The fact that Kojima dragged it on so long to the point where we never got the definitive end to his story arc is entirely on him.
Good game, absolutely abysmal metal gear solid game.
>"It's an amazing game," he said. "While not to say that it's open-world, users who enjoy today's AAA games (The Division and Uncharted, etc) will be able to easily enjoy it.
>"When it is announced, you might think, 'That's not outstanding,' but you'll understand when you see it and play it. The genre is action."
Sooo, is Kojima just remaking MGSV?
>>340384738
>Ground Zeroes was a good game
stop
>>340379107
No, it was enjoyable, very enjoyable, but its lack of content sucks
Pachinko
>>340380481
I didn't came here for this feels m8
>>340386056
>How did Big Boss become this evil child enslaver?
PW leaves him dismissive of moral responsibility with an increased emphasis on living solely to sneak and shoot. The only difference between PW and MG1 BB is that the latter assumes a more active approach to war. This is admittedly a decent gap, but it's easily filled by Big Boss's own explanation in MG2. What we don't know is easily pieced together.
Despite MGSV's general shittiness, we do see Big Boss as the manipulative egocentric cunt he was introduced as anyway. MGSV actually provides the missing link you're bitching for, just in an amusingly slanted way.
>How did Outer Heaven get built?
PW ends with Big Boss declaring the MSF base Outer Heaven. MGSV rains on his parade by blowing it up, but it's always been the case that Big Boss builds OH in secret while commanding FOXHOUND. TPP once again reaffirms this.
PW and MGSV were both mistakes. MGS3 planted the seeds for Naked Snake to become "Big Boss" just fine. It's not like his character was in dire need of elaboration anyway. He explains everything you need to know about him himself in MG2.
>>340386382
I don't know, but I hope it's not other third person starcraft simulator, like destiny
I never played any other MGS (other than Revenges, PC master race amirite g-guis? ;-;) and I must say that I enjoyed the game.
I felt that the open world aspect was pointless since you never use it anyways and they could have saved some time and money there.
The stealth was good and I loved how it truly allowed to play both ways without sort of feeling like shit for breaking stealth. I still reloaded checkpoints from time to time, but considering that there are missions there which focus on straight fighting and destroying shit... yeah.
Good game, but I understand why diehard fans are upset about it.
I thought so, yea
it was clearly unfinished, and the ending just kind of trailed off, but the gameplay was very good, and it looked pretty, I had fun even if the story was meh
>>340386975
>he never played MGS3
>>>/out/
>>340386382
This worries me. Panic.
PANIC
PANIC
>>340386975
another thing I wanted to add was that they shot themselves in the knee for making it that huge and it was pointless.
There was no reason not to just make the whole game as chapter one and put the story missions back to back and have everything else (the repeated challenge missions) as just optional challenges.
You can't expect me to believe that it's a different mission when it's just the same one but this time I am not allowed to use weapons.
yeah
>>340387643
She is my waifu
REEEE
>>340381103
>0/10 after opening the idroid in chapter 2
But Chapter 2 had the best story moments
>Shining Lights
>The Paz ending
>Huey's trial
>>340388139
Nothing interesting happened in Chapter 1. Name one thing close to any of those
>>340387167
I never got the hate for the repeat missions. PW had a lot more and they were a lot worse (three variations on each mech and dozens of variations on armored vehichle/tank/chopper with each just being more and more grindy), if anything I would have liked more of them. I guess most people thought that they were mandatory but you could skip them entirely
Chapter one yes
Chapter two no
>>340388306
To be honest I felt like the repeated missions fit well within PW, because as weird as it may sound, PW is a PSP game so it just works there and its not expected to be as revolutionary and groundbreaking as a AAA game that was in the making 5 years.
But when you bring it to your flagship game it fells tacked on and a cheap filler.
All in all, I wouldn't mind more of them, or at least the option to go subsistence on every mission.
>>340388293
Theshooting of Skullfacewasn't bad, though Huey ruined the moment seconds after it was done.
>>340387912
>>340388952
>Huey ruined the scene
That was the point
>>340388953
>She will never wore whorish militar clothes for you
>>340388952
>Huey ruined the moment
That's why his trial was the games best moment, he was the main antagonist
>>340386956
>>340389386
kek
You think we will get a "GOTY" MGSV that includes chap 3 or never ever?
>>340389103
>>340389524
Never ever. And even if somehow ever, Kojima wouldn't be a part of it so it would be a fucking mess. Moreso than it would have been if he was.
>>340379107
>"you're extracting HIM?"
what do you think?
>>340389530
The pain ;_;
>>340379107
Gameplay? I thought it played pretty darn well.
Plot/Story/Pacing/whatever? Garbage, like everyone else is saying.
Too many recycled/redudant phrases (Phantoms, Copulation, Lingua Franca, etc), forced BS fantascience (archaea = proto-nanomachines; also lol parasites), and just too much hammy dialogue altogether. Also Miller being a completely unstable, PTSD ridden mess and not a single person calls him on his obvious bullshit the ENTIRE game.
The final Paz tape, while great in execution given the context of the overall plot, was too little too late.
Given that, if there were more story elements/plot points centered on your brainwashed psyche trying to reach out and "contact" you, I'd have more enjoyed that part of the plot.
Also fuck spoilers.
>>340389882
we gon make it
>>340388098
>>Shining Lights
a shame it's impossible to put a face on any soldier, they were just a minus in the units statistics
>>The Paz ending
listen to the same tapes we got in peace walker was boring, instead of having a good cut-scene we just got an imaginary tape "I'm not real" not to mention her "survival" would make GZ pointless
>>Huey's trial
all his lines were in a tape before
they were good moment, but always ruined by the game itself
>>340390103
>you will never have beautiful weaboo aryan children with her
>>340386494
Are you retarded?
Its easily the best MGS game
the level is the best in any MGS game to date, the meticulous thought in how youre going to approach anything ( even the very first seconds are obvious about this since you can either challenge the iron fence with 2 guards or inch along the cliffside towards the watchtower)
Not to mention the objectives are perfect (extract chico and paz, both in different locations on the map, no fulton shit)
and then you have all the side missions
>>340390335
>Joost
>Aryan
Pick one and only one
>>340390424
Controls suck tho
>>340390498
She is aryan in my mind
great game, bad story
>>340390502
And why exactly is that? They are easily the best in the franchise
inb4 some retard actually played it on PC without a controller
>>340386056
big boss went over the edge is already known before tpp. in peace walker after he finds out that the boss did not really fight and just sacrificed her life.
as for how outer heaven was built, it is what tpp is about, how could you miss it? venom was in the front fighting the world while big boss builds outer heaven in the shadows
>>340387643
I'd let her eat my stroopwafels if you catch my drift
>>340390498
She doesn't need to be aryan
>story
Minimalist but decent, anyone who says otherwise is simply assmad they didn't get to play as muh reel bigboss
>gameplay
Best it's ever been in MGS
>content
Plenty present in the game even if there's a hell of a lot that didn't make the cut, too many people judge it on what it was missing and equate that with the game having no content
Lacking content and having content aren't mutually exclusive
>pacing
Tight until Skull Face dies, rough as shit after that point which is where the troubled development really begins to show
Chapter 2 had some of the best story moments though, it's a shame the gameplay aspect of that chapter was so underdeveloped
All in all, yes, it was a good game that gets shit upon from a great height on the unfair grounds of it not meeting wild expectations
>>340379905
/Thread
Why the fuck is GZ>>>TPP?
>>340391302
this man is right
>>340392601
Because it actually has good level design and didn't have the fulton.
>>340392601
Because /v/ is contrarian to the extent that if you said the sky is blue some faggot would argue the point
>>340379107
MGSV I felt was like watching Lawrence of Arabia, but with the last 1/4th of the movie was just missing.
Am I the only one who thought V's ocelot was the best one? I don't know why, but I really enjoyed him as a character.I wish they would have shown him and Venom having fun bro times at Mother Base.
>>340393376
Ocelot in V is the real Ocelot. Before now, we'd only seen him putting on various acts. Here, he's got no reason to pretend; he's helping Venom, plain and simple.
>>340379467
>Also the cutscenes were badass.
Name me four memorable cutscenes.
>people saying the gameplay is good
Let's see what V's gameplay has going for it
-Worse guard AI than MGS1
-No good level design
-CQC, buddies, unlimited sprint and magazines are all OP as shit
-tons of items and gadgets are useless
-very little enemy variety
-no decision making or having to hide guard bodies, just fulton everything
I don't know how you could say the gameplay is great unless your definition of great gameplay is just having good controls. Even then it's arguable considering how janky the cover system is compared to every other MGS game after 2.
>>340393187
the sky is clearly bronze faggot
check your non-ancient greek privilege
>>340393642
>worse guard AI than MGS1
Patently false, nice hyperbole faggot
>everything else
The entire game is built around freedom of choice, of course the game is going to be literal ezmode if you play with all the ezmode gear
>>340379467
>third person shooter
>Metal Gear
>>340393376
I thought he was a likable, nice enough guy, but ultimately pretty dull.
As a separate character he was ok, as Ocelot he was a fucking disaster.
>>340393636
>WHOOOOOOOOO
>first time you meet sahalantropus in the mist
>words that kill
>the rain scene
Here's two great ones and two awful ones
>>340380481
Literally the worst mgs character to date, and quite possibly one of the worst, and most unnecessary, character in any video game.
>>340393710
>Patently false, nice hyperbole faggot
MGS1 guards can track your footprints in the snow, can follow a bead if they think they saw you instead of just giving up right away, will shoot down your nikita missiles unlike V's guards that think the rocket fist is invisible, will actually wreck you if you get caught. The only thing V's guards haven better is vision range which is still shit considering how wide open the game is.
>The entire game is built around freedom of choice, of course the game is going to be literal ezmode if you play with all the ezmode gear
The game is still pretty damn easy using solely the water gun. All that freedom of choice is completely trivialized since there's never any reason to use most of your choices.
>>340393784
>
>first time you meet sahalantropus in the mist
''You became a Demon for such small Int-Scopes as that?''
Man, the writing was such stupid, it ruined every fucking moment.
>>340379107
Played like 2 hours of it, boring repetitive shit, weird ass ghost shits chased me partway through, and some fiery guy is literally all I remember. 0/10 never wasting time on again.
>>340391302
agree completely with this
>>340379107
STANDING
>>340393973
That's why the story was so awful, Kojima must have had a stroke or something.
>characters make constant allusions to parasites before they are even in the story to be "clever"
>Venom calling himself a demon literally after the first mission when all he's done is wake up from a coma and save his friend
>Skullface in general was supposed to evil and intimidating but just came off as a whiny fedora tipper
Someone should have slapped Kojima when he thought Metal Gear should be a gritty TV show and not a cheesy spy film. The charm is literally gone save for a few places. Controls might be good, but if I wanted to play a generic third person shooter I would be.
>>340394045
sounds like you literally didn't even finish the tutorial
>>340391302
Yeah. You're right on the money, my sentiments exactly.
All in all I'd say it was a good game. Just a let down.
>>340379107
It was good and that's the problem. It should have been fucking great.
